Where does "Hell" come from

[JonesHenry]

I have talked about this topic before, but i decied to make a new thread.


Almost ALL ancient people knew HELL except the Hebrews...a dark vicious place controlled by DEMONS!



But why not the Hebrews?



The answer may be more disturbing then you realize :eek:



You see...the Hebrews TOO believed in a HELL controlled by DEMONS!



But you see...these DEMONS were EVIL ANGELS, who had left there post to go marrie the daughters of men!

"When men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them, God's sons saw that men's daughters were beautiful, and they took any that they wanted for themselves as wives. Yahweh said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; so his days will be one hundred twenty years." The Nephilim* were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God's sons came in to men's daughters and had children with them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. "

Book of Genesis chapter 6 verses 1-4



When it says "took wifes" we have to understand something...back then there was literally NO SUCH THING as a "voluntary marriage"



They were basicly EVIL SPIRITS materialized in the flesh! It would actually DO them justice to consider them to be GODS of this world!

"Now on the day when GOD'S SONS came to present themselves before Yahweh,† Satan also came among them. Yahweh said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"

Book of Job first chapter verses 6-7



This is why Jesus calls satan the "god of this world" He is the "prince of air" as he is not YET locked into the abyss!



They were basicly EVIL GODS! They are seen through out the eions in different kinds of cultures like the Sumerians, Babylonians, the Cananites, The ancien Indians and the Chinese, the Japanese, even native americans....and also OFCOURSE THE EGYPTIANS!

http://www.whale.to/c/seth.h4.jpg



These evil gods from Egypt were later copied into Greek mythology, wich is where the Romans picked them up as well and COPIED them!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_%28mythology%29#/media/File:8646_-_St_Petersburg_-_Hermitage_-_Jupiter2.jpg



These EVIL GODS ruled the earth and made life A LIVING HELL to all humans, who did not want to join there "New Word Order" Possibly they also corrupted animals as well! This gave a rise to fairytale mermaids, sires and vampires as well. Creatures that were half human and half something else...like werewolves for example.

http://kleberly.com/data_images/wallpapers/17/312014-werewolf.jpg



The good angels complained to god about this, and he had them set the giants against each other, so that they would kill one another. This gave Noah enough time to finish the ark, with a little help from gods angels.



Finally the evil angels were captured and thrown into a DARK PIT! This PIT has many names in different cultures. The Hebrew Abaddon, the Greek Tartaros and so on...



The thing is...this pit exists in another inmaterial spiritual dimension...but there are "acess points" to it here on earth!



The bible even speaks of such a place...at the desert in the land of Canan. I have read of such a place, but i WILL NOT mention it, nor the evil angel some Hebrews went and worshipped there. Only that the Hebrews KNEW of this even thousands of years after the flood!



Wizards and sorcerer born after the great flood went to these "acess points" to gain power and knowledge from these evil spirits/gods. This led to the rise of the tower of Babel and it's evil "mystery religion"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel#/media/File:Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder_-_The_Tower_of_Babel_%28Vienna%29_-_Google_Art_Project_-_edited.jpg




I think at this point you get the idea.



God never said man had IMMORTALITY after death, nor did he ever warn Adam about it. Indeed...it was the OTHER WAY AROUND!


"Yahweh God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it. Yahweh God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; but you shall not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will SURELY DIE!

Book of Genesis 2 chapter verses 15-17



"And i will drag your soul kicking and screaming to tartaros..."

Holy church canon! If you deny this the church will TORTURE YOU!

http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/262/wm/pd1845952.jpg



However men from Babylonian mystery religions came to humans and told them there was a HELL out there somewhere they would be going, and the "evil Yahwe god" would cast them there  for some odd reason. Never the less...people started to believe.



I mean...you either BELIEVE or else you are a HERETIC! Wich one of you wants to be an evil SATANIC HERETIC!?



I didn't think so :laugh:



Jesus said of the end times "it shall be like in the days of Noah"



He said people would drink and get married, but he did not mean "it is BAD if you get drunk and marrie. God will PUNISH YOU! God will throw you into HELL!"



Actually thats NOT what he said!



He just said it will be "Like in the days of Noah"



The evil spirits will be released BEFORE the day of Judgment! Before New Jerusalem arrives GOD is going to release HELL ON EARTH!



So...we will FIRST have a HELL on earth and then a HEAVEN...on earth!



People from mystery cults and religions tell us that we go to either heaven or hell when we die...but the bible tells a DIFFERENT story!

"At that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who stands for the children of your people; and there will be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time. At that time your people will be delivered, everyone who is found written in the book. Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth will AWAKE, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting CONTEMP! Those who are wise will shine as the brightness of the expanse. Those who turn many to righteousness will shine as the stars forever and ever. But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end. Many will run back and forth, and knowledge will be increased."

Book of Daniel chapter 12 verses 1-4



This is all based on Greek "philosophy" that originated itself in ANCIENT EGYPT! Do not believe there LIES!

http://kahalyahweh.net/Articles/chirho.htm



Jesus said he would come with hes BRIDE the NEW JERUSALEM right here on earth...the very same place where he originally left...mount HERMON!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Hermonsnow.jpg



Those faithful in christ are the WEDDING GUESTS Those not faithful will be forcefully thrown into the great LAKE OF FIRE!

"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God."

4:24


"for our "God is a consuming fire."

Hebrews 12:29



So...it is not HELL! It s GODS HOLY PURIFYING PRESENCE!




We do not know will anyone ever get out of there...except according to John, they are litrakly STUCK THERE at the end of tbe book!

"Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who do his commandments,† that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. OUTSIDE ARE THE dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David; the Bright and Morning Star."


Book of Revelation chapter 22 verses 12-16



If god does not destroy, he purifies as he is not a tortures god, but a god of LOVE!

"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is LOVE!"

1 John 4:8



This is also what the word Basanizo is referring to.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/basanizo.html



But anyway...the BIBLE speaks of first a HELL on earth, as the evil angels and there demon offspring are RELEASED form the bottomless pit.  Abaddon, the angel of DESTRUCTION shall lead there assult ALL THE WAY TO HEAVEN!

"The fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from the sky which had fallen to the earth. The key to the pit of the abyss was given to him. He opened the pit of the abyss, and smoke went up out of the pit, like the smoke from a* burning furnace. The sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke from the pit. Then out of the smoke came locusts on the earth, and power was given to them, as the scorpions of the earth have power.  They were told that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only those people who don't have God's seal on their foreheads. They were given power, not to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion, when it strikes a person. In those days people will seek death, and will in no way find it. They will desire to die, and death will flee from them. The shapes of the locusts were like horses prepared for war. On their heads were something like golden crowns, and their faces were like people's faces. They had hair like women's hair, and their teeth were like those of lions. They had breastplates, like breastplates of iron. The sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots, or of many horses rushing to war. They have tails like those of scorpions, and stings. In their tails they have power to harm men for five months. They have over them as king the angel of the abyss. His name in Hebrew is "Abaddon",† but in Greek, he has the name "Apollyon". ‡ The first woe is past. Behold, there are still two woes coming after this. "

Book of Revelation chapter 9 verses 1-12



However...after he is defeated Christ will come DOWN TO EARTH to rein with hes saints and destroy most of evil....except satan, who is first binded and later thrown into the bottomless pit of Abaddon!

"He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."

Revelation 20:3



You know...in the original Hebrew it's actually more like a "Dark ocean" then just a pit.

http://s265.photobucket.com/user/Alastor_Haven/media/1306395520208.jpg.html



That picture is taken from the world of warcraft, where they have the ancient "old gods" burried beneath the earth, and crazy cultists, who worship them to gain there power of immortality.



Also a cartoon i used to watch (not satanic or occultic) had a place called the Dark Ocean where "evil Digimon" had been sent into captivity

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/3695/253296-episode_13_screencap_2.jpg



Bible meets fiction...



Anyway...this is where HELL comes from! As a place it IS very real...there are just NO HUMANS IN THERE...because god did no create man to be an IMMORTAL SPIRIT!



We will only come alive durin the day of the RESURRECTION!



Near Death Experiences of hell are based on VISIONS wich god provides in order to show man he possible future destiny....a destiny of a possible future in the LAKE OF FIRE where god rewards ALL MEN according to there deeds!



But...these are again VISIONS of a POTENTIAL and possible future for some. The Dark Ocean is not meant for humans...and NO HUMAN has even been thrown in there according to the bible!



So...this "hell" is indeed quite real! Gods LAKE OF FIRE is not "hell" it is a COUNTERPART of hell meant to PURIFY evil from BOTH humans AND angels!



The translators DID NOT LIKE THIS...so they translated the word Gehenna to mean Hell...when infact the REAL WORD in greek would therefor be HADES!



However BE WARNED...according to Jesus and hes disciple John...GOD plans to UNLEASH DEMONS on ALL those, who are not in christ! This is what the book of revelation ACTUALLY SAYS!



A friend of mine who is a HARD CORE atheist & agnostic has had trouble with "sleep paralysis" He has literally woken up paralyzed...unable to MOVE at all, as if someone is watching him in the room. A dark, shady figure. I pray for him and hope you will too! We are indeed living in the END TIMES! There is no telling what these horrible Demons will do? Start another WORLD WAR with there occultic followers?



P.S:There is one place in the bible that has been heavily MISUNDERSTOOD!

"Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;in which he also went and preached to the SPIRITS IN PRISON, who before were disobedient, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ship was being built. In it, few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water."


1 Peter chapter 3 verses 18-20


Here Jesus is actually preaching to DEMONS, who are half human, half angel hybrids. I have absolutely no idea WHY, as he was supposed to have been sent to save only HUMANS...the offspring of ADAM!


"So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit."

1 Corinthians 15:45



I assume this is because god pities atleast SOME of the Demons as they were born mostly through RAPE!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-22484318



You know...technicly in Hebrew culture even "mixed raced" people were "cursed" so one can only assume, that those born as a result of MIXED SPECIES union would be A LOT WORSE OFF!

https://ehudwould.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/the-mamzer-of-deuteronomy-232



I am NOT comparing Africans to demons...just saying that people are born like that to this very day...



Aparently therefor god has a plan for them, wich is in the lake of fire. Otherwise christ would not have bothered to preach to them. I believe this is gods ultimate plan and desire. Also please note...

"I saw a great white throne, and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. There was found no place for them. I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. The SEA gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades* gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. Death and Hades† were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire. "



The word "SEA" here literally means THE DARK OCEAN! This means that also the DEMONS will be brought onto judgment. I assume god has some plan for them as well..



Anyway thats all for now! Man i really got into this didn't i? Was inspired by "Godrules" and hes videos. Darn :Whistle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-KTXzJRn9A

[Tom]

Hell is a lie perpetrated by the church to control people with fear.

https://youtu.be/7nuumICiIjM

I no longer believe the mythology about the "Nephilim." See the attachment for some interested information.

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[rosered]

I no longer believe the mythology about the "Nephilim."

Tom we so agree on this I do not either


For me its always  been Babylon    , confusion by mixing


   the daughters of men [ those who never knew the true and Living God and the Sons of God , thosw who knew the True and Living God
  Solomon  is an excellent example of this     
      1Kings 11 ...2from the nations concerning which the LORD had said to the sons of Israel,

"You shall not associate with them, nor shall they associate with you, for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods."


Solomon held fast to these in love. 3He had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines, and his wives turned his heart away.


4For when Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart away after other gods; and his heart was not wholly devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been.

  worship of things you     call God     and don't know    the warning is in the Word , idol worship of the   sun , moon and stars      and   mere   men   calling them gods       
Deut 4
  Warning against Idolatry
...18the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water below the earth.


19"And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.


  them  are the doctrines of  devils / demons = goddesses and  gods      for    fortune  and fame   ... :sigh:

20"But the LORD has taken you and brought you out of the iron furnace, from Egypt, to be a people for His own possession, as today....

1Tim 4
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,...

   The giants in those days were  noted men of high renown    , well known and   of physical   stature


    They were made by God as  well , we must not forget    the true worshippers worship  the LIVING GOD IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH  ,

  and  NOT believe   the lies  of idolatry

unfaithfulness  and contempt  robbing God of His true glory . Let not your light be the light of darkness [ignorance  in the unknown   god  but the TRUE AND LIVING  God ] Acts 17


God does turn  them over to their own  vain imaginations     ,      I do believe there are    ungenerated and evil spirits that do seduce    and  trap people     by  trickery .  the bible teaches this  in many of Jesus  Christ    healing the sin sick and lost ,and dead to God  lives of many  given over to them   seducing  spirits and their power is to  destroy you by holding you captive to their  lies!!!   



   

[JonesHenry]

Ups sorry about that! The place for the FALSE WORSHIP of this evil angel being was actually in Sinai. I just recently checked!


Anyway there evil and were not supposed to mess with them...especially with the evil Illuminati(the "enlightened ones") about to open the biggest "Stargate" that is stationed right below the Giza Pyramid.


(https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.v4RIf3r7%2fQXBwluFDhoMoA&pid=15.1&P=0)


(http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/14-conspiracy-theories.bmp)


It's a secret entrance to the "void" but only god has the actual key. Very disturbing to think that place might be opened during my lifetime :sigh:


Anyway...watch out for any aliens that "come in peace" Because if they say that THERE LYING!!!

[eaglesway]

http://www.hellisamyth.com/hell-is-a-myth.html

Hi JH,

The link above explains where the myth of hell came from.

There are many views on Nephilim. That is because little is written on them. I am wary of making emphatic statements and detailed theories of any kind, because there is little scriptural evidence for them- they are conjecture.

There are many things about which little is written out of which whole Christian mythologies have been created. The fall of Satan, the Nephilim, the Rapture, Eternal Torment, Levels of Hell, what happens after death, etc, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah :o)

To much talk about shady things, not enough walking in the Day :o)

[lastpost]

To much talk about shady things, not enough walking in the Day :o)

A sensible comment in my opinion.

People ask why their children and other children turn away from Christianity. I believe it is partly because they detect what appears to be more superstition and shadow than that which produces spiritual light for their minds and souls, so off they go a-seeking elsewhere. Alas and alas.

I believe that GOD is restoring the situation by giving a purer form of Christian direction based on Jesus Christ Himself  - direct from the Spirit - free from misdirection accumulated over the centuries which has become definite truth in the minds of His representatives.

And this is all in accordance with the laws governing Creation, and to which all are subject. The Spirit will enable the bringing of Light out of the Sacred Record.

Peace

[eaglesway]

To much talk about shady things, not enough walking in the Day :o)

A sensible comment in my opinion.

People ask why their children and other children turn away from Christianity. I believe it is partly because they detect what appears to be more superstition and shadow than that which produces spiritual light for their minds and souls, so off they go a-seeking elsewhere. Alas and alas.

I believe that GOD is restoring the situation by giving a purer form of Christian direction based on Jesus Christ Himself  - direct from the Spirit - free from misdirection accumulated over the centuries which has become definite truth in the minds of His representatives.

And this is all in accordance with the laws governing Creation, and to which all are subject. The Spirit will enable the bringing of Light out of the Sacred Record.

Peace

I hope and believe that that is a prophetic statement that must be fulfilled before the end of the age, because i believe the Sacred Record itself testifies that God will have a pure witness of Himself among His people. He already has a pure testimony of Himself in creation....

Ro 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

[marie glen]

To much talk about shady things, not enough walking in the Day :o)

A sensible comment in my opinion.

People ask why their children and other children turn away from Christianity. I believe it is partly because they detect what appears to be more superstition and shadow than that which produces spiritual light for their minds and souls, so off they go a-seeking elsewhere. Alas and alas.

I believe that GOD is restoring the situation by giving a purer form of Christian direction based on Jesus Christ Himself  - direct from the Spirit - free from misdirection accumulated over the centuries which has become definite truth in the minds of His representatives.

And this is all in accordance with the laws governing Creation, and to which all are subject. The Spirit will enable the bringing of Light out of the Sacred Record.

Peace

   :iagree: :iagree: To me the Truth is simple but man makes it so complicated.. and also so that it does not ring true to the ears! I think it is easier to believe in a host of humanlike 'gods' as 'gods' - all warring among themselves, than it is to believe in the God of the Bible as He is presented! (Tho christians are more likely to know they are demons/Satan&co.)

The theory and doctrine of `hell` is so ludicrous, how is any one drawn to the truth!?

Well thank goodness that 'with God all things are possible" and lots of people do come to the Lord.. but what a miracle.. It is His own character, love and goodness which draws..

:Chinscratch: I have thought of the "sealing on the foreheads" of 144,000 of Israel and the `uncountable` multitude from the nations as being given/graced with total clarity.. B4 man's world's end times gets going in earnest with the breaking (open) of the 7th seal - when the splitting of the atom is no longer paused.. It's hard to decipher tho, because the seals are described as a blend, not in order, of their beginning form and their fully matured form at the 'end'.. a `lock` (imo) for a time, on the end times vision..

...a seal on the forehead to go along with the (original) seal upon the heart..
     :2c: :smile:

[marie glen]

I have thought of tartaros as a spiritual state.. locked into, now, their imperfect state, thus locked into judgment/awaiting judgment.. as being imperfect they cannot reverse their course and return to a state of perfection.. what with being imperfect.. so now they are  locked into that darker state, and awaiting judgment

And the "souls Jesus preached to' I believe actually says, Jesus via the Spirit, preached to the souls awaiting judgment, of the flood(!) "while the ark was being prepared" - preached to the scoffers while Noah was building the ark, makes much more sense to me. (1 Peter 3:20)

And I think of the abyss or bottomless pit, to be an inner realm.. a bottomless pit of potential.. that within every rational creature, when once imperfect or having wandered from God.. the potential for evil is bottomless, as I believe human history fully proves..

But.. I see there must be a "place" for the dragon, that old serpent and satan is thrown into it for a thousand years.. though I do suppose he will be stewing in his own evilness all that while, and I do think he will be alone, unless the 1/3 are with him, as scales to a fish? when he is pulled out of the world (hooray!)

But I cannot envision that the demons are imprisoned (unless it is only the ones who 'married' earthly daughters of men) - for there is far too much evil in the world.. holocausts, genocides, wars, Isis.. too much evil fanning the flames and feeding the fires.. playing all sides to every issue, large and small..
    :2c: :smile:

P.S. it's interesting Aleister crowley and L. Ron Hubbard (Scientology founder) did rituals together to bring "other dimensional entities through portals to the earth" (plane as they called it) - When I read of that, I thought, oiye, I think we have plenty of them active upon the planet already! (Funny too they brought forth a creature they called "Lam" and he looked a lot like our funny large headed, large eyed green et's we illustrate these days, only he was grey (which ties into the gray men/shadow men phenomenon too)

And the book "close encounters of the fourth kind" is pretty creepy too, and I happened across the movie called documentary and they had a so called tape recording slowed down saying the close encounter was from ancient canaan..

i don't think we need to dwell on these things, but I do think it's good to know about them..

"where did hell come from" - i agee, it came from satan&co, who were 'the gods' who likely began just outside of Eden, and perhaps is why Cains offering was so off.. and which spread out to all lands from the confusing of the languages at Babel Tower.. Which Jesus openly and victoriously triumphed over, but which are making a comeback after Christendom's (western civilization's) falling away from the faith..

I am not sure if "as in the days of Noah" means nephilim.. although i know there are some who see it that way (according to youtube, that is :smile: ) I lean more toward thinking it means the world will be carrying on with life as usual.. eating and marrying, etc.. tho I do think there is bound to be more oppression by spirits, and even possession.. Especially if there are such goings on as has been reported about a "bohemian grove" :faint:

[Tom]

Sis, I no longer believe the Nephilim mythology. Check out the attachment.

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[eaglesway]

I have thought of tartaros as a spiritual state.. locked into, now, their imperfect state, thus locked into judgment/awaiting judgment.. as being imperfect they cannot reverse their course and return to a state of perfection.. what with being imperfect.. so now they are  locked into that darker state, and awaiting judgment

And the "souls Jesus preached to' I believe actually says, Jesus via the Spirit, preached to the souls awaiting judgment, of the flood(!) "while the ark was being prepared" - preached to the scoffers while Noah was building the ark, makes much more sense to me. (1 Peter 3:20)

And I think of the abyss or bottomless pit, to be an inner realm.. a bottomless pit of potential.. that within every rational creature, when once imperfect or having wandered from God.. the potential for evil is bottomless, as I believe human history fully proves..

But.. I see there must be a "place" for the dragon, that old serpent and satan is thrown into it for a thousand years.. though I do suppose he will be stewing in his own evilness all that while, and I do think he will be alone, unless the 1/3 are with him, as scales to a fish? when he is pulled out of the world (hooray!)

But I cannot envision that the demons are imprisoned (unless it is only the ones who 'married' earthly daughters of men) - for there is far too much evil in the world.. holocausts, genocides, wars, Isis.. too much evil fanning the flames and feeding the fires.. playing all sides to every issue, large and small..
    :2c: :smile:

P.S. it's interesting Aleister crowley and L. Ron Hubbard (Scientology founder) did rituals together to bring "other dimensional entities through portals to the earth" (plane as they called it) - When I read of that, I thought, oiye, I think we have plenty of them active upon the planet already! (Funny too they brought forth a creature they called "Lam" and he looked a lot like our funny large headed, large eyed green et's we illustrate these days, only he was grey (which ties into the gray men/shadow men phenomenon too)

And the book "close encounters of the fourth kind" is pretty creepy too, and I happened across the movie called documentary and they had a so called tape recording slowed down saying the close encounter was from ancient canaan..

i don't think we need to dwell on these things, but I do think it's good to know about them..

"where did hell come from" - i agee, it came from satan&co, who were 'the gods' who likely began just outside of Eden, and perhaps is why Cains offering was so off.. and which spread out to all lands from the confusing of the languages at Babel Tower.. Which Jesus openly and victoriously triumphed over, but which are making a comeback after Christendom's (western civilization's) falling away from the faith..

I am not sure if "as in the days of Noah" means nephilim.. although i know there are some who see it that way (according to youtube, that is :smile: ) I lean more toward thinking it means the world will be carrying on with life as usual.. eating and marrying, etc.. tho I do think there is bound to be more oppression by spirits, and even possession.. Especially if there are such goings on as has been reported about a "bohemian grove" :faint:

Just some interesting notes. Jesus said when the unclean spirit goes out of a man it wanders in waterless places, then after a season it returns and if it finds its former abode empty(of the spirit of Christ) it goes and gets 7 buddies worse than himself and returns, last state worse than first.

Also the scripture speaks of the prince of the power of the air, and the principalities and powers in the heavenly realms(air/heaven same?) rulers of hosts of wickedness.

Tartaroo, is mentioned by Peter as I recall and Jude, in verse 6, refers tothose angels who "did not keep their proper bode" being bound in "aidos" chains under darkness" reserved for judgment of the "great day".....

Paul talked about being caught up to the third heaven and hearing words he cannot repeat and didnt kno if he was in his body or out.

So many realms beyond the horizon, in the "olam" hahaha :o)

[rosered]

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  Thanks good food for thoughts John ,
  love them  morsels of truth    !!! :HeartThrob:

Babylon     rides   the  scarlet  beast with ''    seven  heads''     unclean  spirits    in Rev 17

Dry place s are   where the   '' Holy Spirit is quenched ''    and warns not to  in the WORD 

Do not quench the Holy Spirit ...     of  a fire  ,  grieving  and putting out divine influence ..

  Would that be the   scarlet     beast   of   hell fire doctrine          whose tongue  gnaws    for pain ..

the tongue is a little member  ...



James 3 James 3:5-12Expanded Bible (EXB)

5 It is the same with the tongue. It is a small ·part [member] of the body, but it ·brags [boasts] about great things.

A big forest fire can be started with only a little flame.

6 And the tongue is like a fire.

It is a whole world of ·evil [iniquity; unrighteousness] among ·the parts of our bodies [L our members]. The tongue ·spreads its evil through [pollutes; stains; corrupts] the whole body.



The tongue is set on fire by hell [L Gehenna; C a valley outside of Jerusalem where in the OT period children were sacrificed to a pagan god; later used as a burning trash heap; a metaphor for hell], and it starts a fire that influences ·all of life [L the wheel of birth/life].


7 [L For] People can tame every ·kind [species] of wild animal, bird, reptile, and ·fish [L sea creature], and they have tamed them,


8 but no one can tame the tongue.

It is ·wild and evil [or a restless evil; or an uncontrollable evil] and full of deadly poison.


9 ·We use our tongues to [L With it we] ·praise [bless] our Lord and Father, but ·then [L with it] we curse people, whom God made ·like himself [L in his likeness; Gen. 1:27].


10 Praises and curses come from the same mouth! My ·brothers and sisters [C fellow believers], this should not happen.


11 Do ·good [fresh; L sweet] and ·bad [stale; or salt; L bitter] water flow from the same [L opening of a] spring?


12 My ·brothers and sisters [C fellow believers], can a fig tree make olives, or can a grapevine make figs?

No! ·And a well full of salty water cannot give good water [L Neither can salt water make sweet].

Life and death are in the power of the tongue      and those whom eat the fruit there of ....   

 

[eaglesway]

Hi JH,

One important foundation of universal reconciliation is that there is not, and never was a hell of eternal torment. HELL is a Teutonic word, from Norse mythology that the King James translators inserted into the sciptures to replace Hades, from the Greek translators and Inferno from the latin translators- but the word "sheol" was the original word for the grave(the unseen state of the dead). It has nothing to do with eternal torment. Gehenna was also translated HELL by the King James translators and many others. Gehenna is a place outside the walls of Jerusalem with a long history, that became a dump for burning certain kinds of refuse. It was a place where the Israelites offered there children to Molloch in ritual burning, so one of the reformer kings(Josiah I think) turned it into a refuse pit and burned the altars and the bones of the priests of Baal there. In NT use, some believe it refers only to that place, some believe it is a metaphor for the lake of fire, as you stated JH. Regardless of what Gehenna actually represents when Jesus used the word(James uses it once- otherwise only Jesus in the gospels uses it a dozen or so times, less accounting for the duplications of the four gospels)- it is not a HELL of eternal torment. It is for burning the refuse of the unrepentant(darkness, deception, the attitudes and works of the carnal man).

[rosered]

 

 

  :iagree: John

I understand  UR as a  teaching  , not actually a religion    , because  we believe      have faith  ,the WORD OF GOD BY HIS SPIRIT   and not so much man followers  , it goes against main stream      religion

Giving so many  all over the place ,   a strong desire to  seek , knock and ask   in His word of truth  by His Spirit of Truth a deeper meaning  and Know His Love for all  , not just a few



  Maybe the   real difference is    Babylon is  very carnal  and  expresses   the  wrong  spirit /  being of the world

    I believe the carnal mind  is enmity   against the Spirit so    the    animal nature  is what quenches the Spirit

  that old beastly one   hinders    Paul expounds  on  Jesus words  about this
I believe Jesus said tell no man       after doing some    healings  in some scriptures

  the scriptures are the proofs /a witness    to me   and His Spirit is the  other witness

  Because Jesus said if you do not believe what Moses wrote  ,  how will you believe Me  [spoken   word hear His Voice    and live ,  hear  what the Spirit is saying ]


HEAR  HIM AND LIVE  , we hear Him speak though the  scriptures    by His Spirit  within us ,   and its a living Word alive and active