Revelation 5:13

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WhiteWings

Revelation 5:13: "And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth  and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, 'To him
who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!"'

Everyone worships Father and Son.
Also them under the earth and the sea.
That sounds like the dead. -> Aren't they resurrected?
Under the earth also sounds a bit like Hades.


Revelation 5:13: "And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and formerly under the earth  and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, 'To him
who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!"'

If the verse would be as above then I would understand.
So what's exactly being said in that verse?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Tony N

Quote from: WhiteWings on September 29, 2008, 01:43:36 AM
Revelation 5:13: "And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth  and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, 'To him
who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!"'

Everyone worships Father and Son.
Also them under the earth and the sea.
That sounds like the dead. -> Aren't they resurrected?
Under the earth also sounds a bit like Hades.


Revelation 5:13: "And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and formerly under the earth  and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, 'To him
who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!"'

If the verse would be as above then I would understand.
So what's exactly being said in that verse?

Hmmm, interesting.
I looked this up in the Concordant Commentary on this verse and it said this:

"13 It has been suggested that the Syriac version preserves the true reading here. After "blessing" it goes right on and gives every creature to the Lambkin, rather than getting praise from them, thus (combined with Vaticanus 'b'):


And honor and glory and blessing
And every creature which is in heaven
And on the earth and underneath the earth
And on the sea and all [those] in them!"
And I hear all [messengers] saying,
"To Him Who is sitting on the throne—
To the Lambkin—
Be blessing and honor and glory and might
For the eons of the eons!"

A.E. Knoch wrote this which was published in Unsearchable Riches volume 78:

    "Joy is the beginning and end of God's eonian operations. In anticipation, the morning stars sang together at the start, and at the close all creation will exult in the consummation (Job 38:7; Rev.5:13). If the cosmos has such glorious boundaries, why should not we microcosms have a similar experience? I have been told that every atom is a miniature of the material world. Let us rejoice in remembrance of God's choice of us and His call and the salvation He has provided, and the place we have in His Christ. Let us enjoy the prospect of the glory that lies before us, for we surely will exult when the fulfillment comes. So shall our thanksgiving be the link between the joy of anticipation and the rejoicing of realization. And therefore it should always accompany prayer, not as a delayed and nonessential afterthought, but as the leading feature. Every petition should commence with thanks or worship."

Tony
http://saviourofall.org
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

WhiteWings

Revelation 5:13: "And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth  and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying,

Usually the above verse is read as places of dead/alive humans but what about:

Revelation 5:13: "And I heard every bird and man, animal and worms, rabbits, etc and fish

I'm fully aware that would mean talking animals.... :winkgrin:
But it doesn't sound that odd if you read verses like:
Mark 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Job 12:7-9 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:pPVQgetPOg0kNM:http://blog.lib.umn.edu/isss/isss/question-mark1a.jpg)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Cardinal

 :cloud9: They do all declare His glory/nature. Everything that has breath (His = His Spirit) praises the Lord. Just because we can't hear it with our natural ears, doesn't mean it's not sounding. Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

peacemaker

"And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking." (Mark 8:24)

People as trees walking is not a poetic account; it is a clinical description of Agnosia. First, this blind man received his sight, but couldn't recognize what he had not observed previously, thus, he was also given an understanding.

A renewing of his mind (to restore what was lost), in conjunction with the loss of his vision?

"Our level of understanding and comprehension is based on spiritual insight; apprehending the true nature of a thing."

Let us, therefore, cast out the demons of ignorance.

peacemaker

martincisneros

Quote from: WhiteWings on September 19, 2009, 10:45:35 PMJob 12:7-9 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
:Sparkletooth: My writings on the Hosea 2:18/Jeremiah 31:27-28 Covenant just got doubled with what just hit my spirit like an anvil from those verses. Not sure when I'll have it online with the first series of stuff. What a year it's been! :Sparkletooth:

sparrow

Quote from: WhiteWings on September 19, 2009, 10:45:35 PM
Job 12:7-9 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?

His creation is full of lessons.
If we just open up our eyes, ears, our heart and mind.
Everywhere we look.
It's all around us.
and always has been.
how we rush on by without even noticing...
Every creature, every single thing can teach us something.
It's so wonderful.
:HeartThrob: