Deuteronomy 28:15–68 God's Curses sound pretty thorough and final. Are they merely corrective or natural law?
"...people who are demonized, such as shamans... will tell you that, if Christians understood that a curse w/o a cause will not alight, we would be less prone to constantly blame the devil for all our shortcomings and trials... the majority of the time what is happening... is due to our own flesh and lack of understanding in regard to our inheritance in Christ... Christians who understand that a curse aimed at them will go back to the sender will be protected and walk in greater power." Bruce D Allen - Promise of the Third Day, Mr Allen gives as reference Ps 109:17-20
But what if the curse is from God? Can He even do that in this new era?
jerry
This is all law stuff that has been corrected in Christ who follows a law of love and grace, not a law of rules and punishments. The jewish covenant is replaced by Christ's covenant in his blood which is much better in all things. And there are no curses in the new covenant.
The mosaic things were just attempts by Israel to get along with God. Some of these things are cool and sweet, like the institution of the Sabbath and the leaf hut feast and such things. But other things were primitive and brutal and Jesus did not want to keep it that way as the King of the Jews.
when they ate..and God come and pronounced judgement.....the ground was cursed...for thy sake........
to the serpent..cursed are you above all the livestock..and a crushed head...to the woman..painful childbearing.
He also pronounced a great Blessing upon man at that time..when He prophesied regarding the woman's seed.
now the law was addeded...Gal 3;19 what then was the purpose of the law? It was added..because of transgressions......
until.....the SEED to whom the promises referred ..had...come.
v 22 but the scriptures declare...THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS A PRISONER OF SIN....so that...WHAT WAS PROMISED
BEING GIVEN THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST...might be given to those who believe.........
the inheritance through faith in Jesus Christ..is eternal life and sonship of God...
He come to set the prisoners free..........He said 'The spirit of the Lord is on me.....to release prisoners........
Matthew 5; the Beattitudes...Blessings pronounced..........
Hi,
I hope this is not too off topic to share with you all.
Do you believe the material below is factual?
Stories handed down through the generations? Don't mess with the chosen (Jews - Israel) people!
Three stories
These stories are woven with shared mystical threads. All the details are absolutely true. Translated from Russian by Chaim Zehavi
First Story
At the beginning of WWII, when the truth about the fate of the Jewish people was discovered, and when there were still ways to save them, a few hundred rich Jews bought a ship in order to get their families on board and escape to America. But they needed visas, so they approached the American Ambassador in London. It was not difficult for him, but he utterly refused. The Jews, in order to save their families, went without the visas.
When the Ambassador found out about it, he contacted Washington, advising them that a ship with illegal immigrants is approaching America. The Jews managed to overcome the horrors of war and reach America, but were not permitted into America. These unlucky people were ordered to turn around and return to burning Europe. and all were burnt in the camps.
When the tragedy was revealed, the Rabbi of London came to the American Ambassador and said: "Your deeds do not befit not only your post, but you are not fit to be called 'a human'. And now, since you caused hundreds of people's death, YOU AND ALL YOUR DESCENDANTS generations down from now on will be cursed!"
The name of the American Ambassador was JOSEPH KENNEDY.
Second Story
Again, WW II. Lithowenia. The Japanese Ambassador, who was a compassionate and noble person, disagreed with the Nazi crimes, and was concerned with the future of the European Jewry. He used his status and provided them with visas to Japan. From Japan they immigrated to America. Thus he saved the lives of thousands of Jews.
When the Germans found out they demanded that the Ambassador will be removed. The Japanese, allies of the Nazis, followed the request. But he still had 2 weeks until his return, and he used these 2 weeks, and worked around the clock, days and nights, and recruited people to help him issue more visas. The lives of many more Jews were saved this way.
This was a very dangerous act, deserving of admiration. Prior to his leaving a mission of Jews from the Vilna Synagogue came to thank him.
"What you have done for the Jewish People will never be forgotten, and we will pray to God to bless you and your descendants."
This wonderful person returned to Japan, and miraculously all his punishment was that he was fired and lost his pension.
In order to help his family he started a small workshop. His name was Mitsubishi.
Third Story
In the center of the city of Kiev there's a statue in memory of the all-powerful leader of the Ukraine, Bogdan Khmelnitsky. He is sitting on the back of a beautiful horse, his right hand holding a sword and pointing up, towards the sky. he is the epitome of Ukraine's independence. Khmelnitsky is the pride of the Ukrainians, and all visitors are impressed by the beauty of the statue of the great leader.
But not many know that Khmelnitsky was a beastly anti-Semite. On his conscience many pogroms against the Jews, burning down of towns and villages, and the blood of many innocent Jews. How many future-geniuses, who could have been great achievers, were lost to the world. His ruthless thugs had no mercy for women or children. These are historical facts. A lot sorrow brought the accursed Khmelnitsky to the land of Ukraine.
But in one town, the pogrom was especially horrible. Khmelnitsky and his thugs, drunken on Jewish blood, robbed and destroyed all the homes of the Jews. The boys and the girls were taken to the Synagogue and were all burnt without mercy. All that was left of this town was its name, and not one living Jew. But centuries later the punishment came!
The name of this town is Chernobyl, and in the exact place that the Synagogue used to be, was the Nuclear Plant #4 of the infamous power plant known in the tragedy that occurred in this town.
:dunno2: :dunno2:
Luke 6;28 But I TELL YOU who HEAR ME; LOVE your enemies...do good to those who hate you,BLESS THOSE WHO CURSE YOU
,pray for those who mistreat you
if you love those who love you..what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if ye do good to those who do
good to you,what credit is that to you?
Jesus promises a great reward to those who do these commandments. I would venture to say that those who curse have their
reward in full...with their taking of their venegeance..
Galations 3;10 Hosea 4;2..there is only cursing..lying and murder....Because of this the land mourns..and all who live in it waste away
the beasts of the field,the birds of the air and the fish of the sea are dying.
Israel was to be a Blessing unto the nations..not a curse.......
Christ become our curse[cursed is anything that hangs on a tree] at the great seperation Christ categorizes the goats as .....
'ye who are cursed' for I was thirsty,hungry,naked,sick...etc.
Zechariah 5...flying scroll...the curse that enters the theifs house..and his who swears falsely....see the curse spread out like a
banner? SOS....His banner over me was LOVE..........
Quote from: joeteekay on August 19, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
Hi,
I hope this is not too off topic to share with you all.
Do you believe the material below is factual?
Stories handed down through the generations? Don't mess with the chosen (Jews - Israel) people!
Three stories
These stories are woven with shared mystical threads. All the details are absolutely true. Translated from Russian by Chaim Zehavi
First Story
At the beginning of WWII, when the truth about the fate of the Jewish people was discovered, and when there were still ways to save them, a few hundred rich Jews bought a ship in order to get their families on board and escape to America. But they needed visas, so they approached the American Ambassador in London. It was not difficult for him, but he utterly refused. The Jews, in order to save their families, went without the visas.
When the Ambassador found out about it, he contacted Washington, advising them that a ship with illegal immigrants is approaching America. The Jews managed to overcome the horrors of war and reach America, but were not permitted into America. These unlucky people were ordered to turn around and return to burning Europe. and all were burnt in the camps.
When the tragedy was revealed, the Rabbi of London came to the American Ambassador and said: "Your deeds do not befit not only your post, but you are not fit to be called 'a human'. And now, since you caused hundreds of people's death, YOU AND ALL YOUR DESCENDANTS generations down from now on will be cursed!"
The name of the American Ambassador was JOSEPH KENNEDY.
Second Story
Again, WW II. Lithowenia. The Japanese Ambassador, who was a compassionate and noble person, disagreed with the Nazi crimes, and was concerned with the future of the European Jewry. He used his status and provided them with visas to Japan. From Japan they immigrated to America. Thus he saved the lives of thousands of Jews.
When the Germans found out they demanded that the Ambassador will be removed. The Japanese, allies of the Nazis, followed the request. But he still had 2 weeks until his return, and he used these 2 weeks, and worked around the clock, days and nights, and recruited people to help him issue more visas. The lives of many more Jews were saved this way.
This was a very dangerous act, deserving of admiration. Prior to his leaving a mission of Jews from the Vilna Synagogue came to thank him.
"What you have done for the Jewish People will never be forgotten, and we will pray to God to bless you and your descendants."
This wonderful person returned to Japan, and miraculously all his punishment was that he was fired and lost his pension.
In order to help his family he started a small workshop. His name was Mitsubishi.
Third Story
In the center of the city of Kiev there's a statue in memory of the all-powerful leader of the Ukraine, Bogdan Khmelnitsky. He is sitting on the back of a beautiful horse, his right hand holding a sword and pointing up, towards the sky. he is the epitome of Ukraine's independence. Khmelnitsky is the pride of the Ukrainians, and all visitors are impressed by the beauty of the statue of the great leader.
But not many know that Khmelnitsky was a beastly anti-Semite. On his conscience many pogroms against the Jews, burning down of towns and villages, and the blood of many innocent Jews. How many future-geniuses, who could have been great achievers, were lost to the world. His ruthless thugs had no mercy for women or children. These are historical facts. A lot sorrow brought the accursed Khmelnitsky to the land of Ukraine.
But in one town, the pogrom was especially horrible. Khmelnitsky and his thugs, drunken on Jewish blood, robbed and destroyed all the homes of the Jews. The boys and the girls were taken to the Synagogue and were all burnt without mercy. All that was left of this town was its name, and not one living Jew. But centuries later the punishment came!
The name of this town is Chernobyl, and in the exact place that the Synagogue used to be, was the Nuclear Plant #4 of the infamous power plant known in the tragedy that occurred in this town.
:dunno2: :dunno2:
Interesting bits of history thanks.
:cloud9: I have no idea if any of the stories are true, but I wouldn't be surprised. He blesses those who bless them and curses those who curse them.
I'm probably different in my thinking on this than most on here. I believe that the law exists with grace, being played out in the framework of time, running along side by side. I believe that you are under one or the other IN EVERY SITUATION PRESENTED TO YOU, depending on the choices you make. And that includes the beginning with the very first one, ie. whether you have chosen the Lord or not. I think choose ye this day whom ye will serve, fits this scenario.
I don't know how anyone could read Deut. 28 and not see their bloodline in there being visited by the curses God pronounced, somewhere along the line. We were grafted into them, not the other way around.
Now that I am aware of Him and try to walk in the Spirit with Him, I know that if I don't listen to the prodding of the Holy Spirit if I get out of step, to expect the law to come back into effect to get my feet back on the right path. The law of sowing and reaping is essentially what it is, and it has never ended, because seedtime and harvest have never ended.
Jesus said not one yod or tittle would pass away, till all be fulfilled. It was fulfilled in Him, and He in turn fulfills it in us, the body. As we are obedient to do what He says, it is written on our heart, which means it's not an outward law ONLY, but a spiritual one accomplished within that changes our very nature into His. My :2c:.....blessings....
..interesting perspective Bex. Just maybe, Father sometimes..has to 'lay down the law' in order to take us back up again?
I know for certain..there were times..when my mom did just that thing..to bring my behaviour up to par.
Quote from: joeteekay on August 19, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
Hi,
I hope this is not too off topic to share with you all.
Do you believe the material below is factual?
Stories handed down through the generations? Don't mess with the chosen (Jews - Israel) people!
Three stories
These stories are woven with shared mystical threads. All the details are absolutely true. Translated from Russian by Chaim Zehavi
First Story
At the beginning of WWII, when the truth about the fate of the Jewish people was discovered, and when there were still ways to save them, a few hundred rich Jews bought a ship in order to get their families on board and escape to America. But they needed visas, so they approached the American Ambassador in London. It was not difficult for him, but he utterly refused. The Jews, in order to save their families, went without the visas.
When the Ambassador found out about it, he contacted Washington, advising them that a ship with illegal immigrants is approaching America. The Jews managed to overcome the horrors of war and reach America, but were not permitted into America. These unlucky people were ordered to turn around and return to burning Europe. and all were burnt in the camps.
When the tragedy was revealed, the Rabbi of London came to the American Ambassador and said: "Your deeds do not befit not only your post, but you are not fit to be called 'a human'. And now, since you caused hundreds of people's death, YOU AND ALL YOUR DESCENDANTS generations down from now on will be cursed!"
The name of the American Ambassador was JOSEPH KENNEDY.
Second Story
Again, WW II. Lithowenia. The Japanese Ambassador, who was a compassionate and noble person, disagreed with the Nazi crimes, and was concerned with the future of the European Jewry. He used his status and provided them with visas to Japan. From Japan they immigrated to America. Thus he saved the lives of thousands of Jews.
When the Germans found out they demanded that the Ambassador will be removed. The Japanese, allies of the Nazis, followed the request. But he still had 2 weeks until his return, and he used these 2 weeks, and worked around the clock, days and nights, and recruited people to help him issue more visas. The lives of many more Jews were saved this way.
This was a very dangerous act, deserving of admiration. Prior to his leaving a mission of Jews from the Vilna Synagogue came to thank him.
"What you have done for the Jewish People will never be forgotten, and we will pray to God to bless you and your descendants."
This wonderful person returned to Japan, and miraculously all his punishment was that he was fired and lost his pension.
In order to help his family he started a small workshop. His name was Mitsubishi.
Third Story
In the center of the city of Kiev there's a statue in memory of the all-powerful leader of the Ukraine, Bogdan Khmelnitsky. He is sitting on the back of a beautiful horse, his right hand holding a sword and pointing up, towards the sky. he is the epitome of Ukraine's independence. Khmelnitsky is the pride of the Ukrainians, and all visitors are impressed by the beauty of the statue of the great leader.
But not many know that Khmelnitsky was a beastly anti-Semite. On his conscience many pogroms against the Jews, burning down of towns and villages, and the blood of many innocent Jews. How many future-geniuses, who could have been great achievers, were lost to the world. His ruthless thugs had no mercy for women or children. These are historical facts. A lot sorrow brought the accursed Khmelnitsky to the land of Ukraine.
But in one town, the pogrom was especially horrible. Khmelnitsky and his thugs, drunken on Jewish blood, robbed and destroyed all the homes of the Jews. The boys and the girls were taken to the Synagogue and were all burnt without mercy. All that was left of this town was its name, and not one living Jew. But centuries later the punishment came!
The name of this town is Chernobyl, and in the exact place that the Synagogue used to be, was the Nuclear Plant #4 of the infamous power plant known in the tragedy that occurred in this town.
:dunno2: :dunno2:
As to the first story, I believe Jews were turned away from the USA, but I could not find anything specifying Kennedy was involved, though there are a lot of conspiracy theories with regards to the 'Kennedy Curse'. He is believed to have been anti-Semitic, so it is not impossible, I suppose.
The second story is based in reality, but it was not a man called Mitsubishi, as that company far predates the war. Here is the link to the full story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara
As for the final story, Bogdan Khmelnitsky is a real man who did wage harsh pogroms against the Jews. However, the bit about Chernobyl may be added on, as the Chernobyl plant is actually near the city of Pripyat, and about nine miles from the actual city of Chernobyl, so it would be odd if the synagogue had been planned to be that far away from the settlement, though again, not impossible.
In my opinion, these three stories all have some basis in truth, but have been sensationalized to one degree or another to make them sound more amazing. In other words, adding on the curse of the Kennedys, the blessing of Mitsubishi, and the curse of Chernobyl.
Naturally.
Quote from: Shev on August 20, 2015, 02:09:08 AM
As to the first story, I believe Jews were turned away from the USA, but I could not find anything specifying Kennedy was involved, though there are a lot of conspiracy theories with regards to the 'Kennedy Curse'. He is believed to have been anti-Semitic, so it is not impossible, I suppose.
The second story is based in reality, but it was not a man called Mitsubishi, as that company far predates the war. Here is the link to the full story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara
As for the final story, Bogdan Khmelnitsky is a real man who did wage harsh pogroms against the Jews. However, the bit about Chernobyl may be added on, as the Chernobyl plant is actually near the city of Pripyat, and about nine miles from the actual city of Chernobyl, so it would be odd if the synagogue had been planned to be that far away from the settlement, though again, not impossible.
In my opinion, these three stories all have some basis in truth, but have been sensationalized to one degree or another to make them sound more amazing. In other words, adding on the curse of the Kennedys, the blessing of Mitsubishi, and the curse of Chernobyl.
Hey thanks Shev for the research. I agree with you and sometime it is hard to seperate fact from fiction. Sort of like the false teaching about hell.
:thumbsup:
Thanks Joeteekay - I hope I did not come off as contradictory...it was an interesting set of stories to look into, and I am grateful you posted it, as I had never read about the Japanese diplomat before, which was very uplifting!
Quote from: joeteekay on August 19, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
Hi,
I hope this is not too off topic to share with you all.
Do you believe the material below is factual?
Stories handed down through the generations? Don't mess with the chosen (Jews - Israel) people!
Three stories
These stories are woven with shared mystical threads. All the details are absolutely true. Translated from Russian by Chaim Zehavi
First Story
At the beginning of WWII, when the truth about the fate of the Jewish people was discovered, and when there were still ways to save them, a few hundred rich Jews bought a ship in order to get their families on board and escape to America. But they needed visas, so they approached the American Ambassador in London. It was not difficult for him, but he utterly refused. The Jews, in order to save their families, went without the visas.
When the Ambassador found out about it, he contacted Washington, advising them that a ship with illegal immigrants is approaching America. The Jews managed to overcome the horrors of war and reach America, but were not permitted into America. These unlucky people were ordered to turn around and return to burning Europe. and all were burnt in the camps.
When the tragedy was revealed, the Rabbi of London came to the American Ambassador and said: "Your deeds do not befit not only your post, but you are not fit to be called 'a human'. And now, since you caused hundreds of people's death, YOU AND ALL YOUR DESCENDANTS generations down from now on will be cursed!"
The name of the American Ambassador was JOSEPH KENNEDY.
Second Story
Again, WW II. Lithowenia. The Japanese Ambassador, who was a compassionate and noble person, disagreed with the Nazi crimes, and was concerned with the future of the European Jewry. He used his status and provided them with visas to Japan. From Japan they immigrated to America. Thus he saved the lives of thousands of Jews.
When the Germans found out they demanded that the Ambassador will be removed. The Japanese, allies of the Nazis, followed the request. But he still had 2 weeks until his return, and he used these 2 weeks, and worked around the clock, days and nights, and recruited people to help him issue more visas. The lives of many more Jews were saved this way.
This was a very dangerous act, deserving of admiration. Prior to his leaving a mission of Jews from the Vilna Synagogue came to thank him.
"What you have done for the Jewish People will never be forgotten, and we will pray to God to bless you and your descendants."
This wonderful person returned to Japan, and miraculously all his punishment was that he was fired and lost his pension.
In order to help his family he started a small workshop. His name was Mitsubishi.
Third Story
In the center of the city of Kiev there's a statue in memory of the all-powerful leader of the Ukraine, Bogdan Khmelnitsky. He is sitting on the back of a beautiful horse, his right hand holding a sword and pointing up, towards the sky. he is the epitome of Ukraine's independence. Khmelnitsky is the pride of the Ukrainians, and all visitors are impressed by the beauty of the statue of the great leader.
But not many know that Khmelnitsky was a beastly anti-Semite. On his conscience many pogroms against the Jews, burning down of towns and villages, and the blood of many innocent Jews. How many future-geniuses, who could have been great achievers, were lost to the world. His ruthless thugs had no mercy for women or children. These are historical facts. A lot sorrow brought the accursed Khmelnitsky to the land of Ukraine.
But in one town, the pogrom was especially horrible. Khmelnitsky and his thugs, drunken on Jewish blood, robbed and destroyed all the homes of the Jews. The boys and the girls were taken to the Synagogue and were all burnt without mercy. All that was left of this town was its name, and not one living Jew. But centuries later the punishment came!
The name of this town is Chernobyl, and in the exact place that the Synagogue used to be, was the Nuclear Plant #4 of the infamous power plant known in the tragedy that occurred in this town.
:dunno2: :dunno2:
Beware of those who call themselves Jews but are just sons of the devil.
Better to take refuge in the Lord than trust in man.
I really don't know much about how curses work or don't work. I do know that because bad things happen to us, it is not that we are cursed, necessarily, as the book of Job tells us.
But, I can relate to the story of the talents, and that, when God gives us a gift, he expects us to use it for His Kingdom.
Matthew 25:14-30Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
14 `For -- as a man going abroad did call his own servants, and did deliver to them his substance,
15 and to one he gave five talents, and to another two, and to another one, to each according to his several ability, went abroad immediately.
16 `And he who did receive the five talents, having gone, wrought with them, and made other five talents;
17 in like manner also he who [received] the two, he gained, also he, other two;
18 and he who did receive the one, having gone away, digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 `And after a long time cometh the lord of those servants, and taketh reckoning with them;
20 and he who did receive the five talents having come, brought other five talents, saying, `Sir, five talents thou didst deliver to me; lo, other five talents did I gain besides them.
21 `And his lord said to him, Well done, servant, good and faithful, over a few things thou wast faithful, over many things I will set thee; enter into the joy of thy lord.
22 `And he who also did receive the two talents having come, said, Sir, two talents thou didst deliver to me; lo, other two talents I did gain besides them.
23 `His lord said to him, Well done, servant, good and faithful, over a few things thou wast faithful, over many things I will set thee; enter into the joy of thy lord.
24 `And he also who hath received the one talent having come, said, Sir, I knew thee, that thou art a hard man, reaping where thou didst not sow, and gathering from whence thou didst not scatter;
25 and having been afraid, having gone away, I hid thy talent in the earth; lo, thou hast thine own!
26 `And his lord answering said to him, Evil servant, and slothful, thou hadst known that I reap where I did not sow, and I gather whence I did not scatter!
27 it behoved thee then to put my money to the money-lenders, and having come I had received mine own with increase.
28 `Take therefore from him the talent, and give to him having the ten talents,
29 for to every one having shall be given, and he shall have overabundance, and from him who is not having, even that which he hath shall be taken from him;
30 and the unprofitable servant cast ye forth to the outer darkness; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth.
We have all been called by God, for a purpose. To share the light of His love. And, He will give us more when He sees that we are responsible with what we have been given.
1 Peter 2:9 ESV
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
'Perfect love casts out fear'. No need to think of the negative if we keep our focus on Christ. We cannot know the mind of God, or why He allows certain things to happen.
My :2c:
D.