The most popular Christian on YouTube just made a video about Hell and Satan

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WhiteWings

Quote from: Molly on November 26, 2008, 06:43:20 AM
Also, what is double election?

The way I read it: God has double standards.....

Double Predestination: Could God Unconditionally Elect Some Without Unconditionally Reprobating the Rest?

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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Molly

Quote from: WhiteWings on November 26, 2008, 01:55:29 PM
Molly check out his site: http://www.thewaythetruth.com/
Chick tracts on the front page.
Does that answer your question?  :laughing7:
wow He has a web site? 

Chick tracts--that's a whole new topic.

But, anyone who puts post it notes on his videos after the fact is still thinking about things...

Thanks for the info on double election, FB.  I guess that is Jacob and Esau on steroids.

I have to say, though, in reading through the Bible, I oten found myself saying...I'm becoming a Calvinist.. :mshock:


alihaymeg

That seems to be how most Christians justify their hatred of non-Christians. How do they justify their hatred of each other though? The same way I guess. I'm sure some believe that not believing in an eternal Hell makes you a non-Christian.

My question is, why do they think they are any more worthy of eternal life than anyone else? If sin is infecting and spreads like wild fire, then none of us should be allowed in. The fact is that we wont be. Not untill we have been purged of our remaining human weakness for imperfection.

1Corinthians 3:14-15 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

WhiteWings

Quote from: Molly on November 26, 2008, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on November 26, 2008, 01:55:29 PM
Molly check out his site: http://www.thewaythetruth.com/
Chick tracts on the front page.
Does that answer your question?  :laughing7:
wow He has a web site? 

Chick tracts--that's a whole new topic.
Actually it was an answer to your question:
QuoteMartin, he has these post it notes on the end of his video.  I don't know what you think about this but he's not saying that hell is eternal.  Was that as a result of your post to him?  Also, what is double election?
Chick tracts always speak about the choice of eternal heaven or eternal hell.
So to me that makes it clear that those who put it on the frontpage of their site have the same view.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Molly

Quote from: WhiteWings on November 26, 2008, 08:24:21 PM
Quote from: Molly on November 26, 2008, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on November 26, 2008, 01:55:29 PM
Molly check out his site: http://www.thewaythetruth.com/
Chick tracts on the front page.
Does that answer your question?  :laughing7:
wow He has a web site? 

Chick tracts--that's a whole new topic.
Actually it was an answer to your question:
QuoteMartin, he has these post it notes on the end of his video.  I don't know what you think about this but he's not saying that hell is eternal.  Was that as a result of your post to him?  Also, what is double election?
Chick tracts always speak about the choice of eternal heaven or eternal hell.
So to me that makes it clear that those who put it on the frontpage of their site have the same view.

well he says in his post notes on the video that hell is temporary.  So maybe he's changing his views.

The Bible is like a huge jigsaw puzzle, and depending on what pieces you look at and how you put them together, you can get a totally different picture.   You almost have to have the whole thing memorized and available at all times to move the pieces around and see what fits with what.

I'm waiting on you to get there first ww. :laughing7:

WhiteWings

Quote from: Molly on November 26, 2008, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on November 26, 2008, 08:24:21 PM
Quote from: Molly on November 26, 2008, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on November 26, 2008, 01:55:29 PM
Molly check out his site: http://www.thewaythetruth.com/
Chick tracts on the front page.
Does that answer your question?  :laughing7:
wow He has a web site? 

Chick tracts--that's a whole new topic.
Actually it was an answer to your question:
QuoteMartin, he has these post it notes on the end of his video.  I don't know what you think about this but he's not saying that hell is eternal.  Was that as a result of your post to him?  Also, what is double election?
Chick tracts always speak about the choice of eternal heaven or eternal hell.
So to me that makes it clear that those who put it on the frontpage of their site have the same view.

well he says in his post notes on the video that hell is temporary.  So maybe he's changing his views.
IIRC he says hell is a temporay waiting place for the wicked. And hell including the wicked will be trown into LoF. And that's eternal.
Watch the video 4:50-5:50 there he explains all deserve eternal hell. Then he continues for a few minutes explaining that accepting Jesus is the only way to avoid hell.
He concludes with saying LoF was made for Satan and his demons and that they are in full charge there.
God doesn't protect humans in hell; so satan and his horde have a nice torture party. (10:55-to the end)


QuoteThe Bible is like a huge jigsaw puzzle, and depending on what pieces you look at and how you put them together, you can get a totally different picture.   You almost have to have the whole thing memorized and available at all times to move the pieces around and see what fits with what.

I'm waiting on you to get there first ww. :laughing7:

If you are only 10% of what you write Molly I'm sure you will get there first Molly.

About the puzzle. I'm puzzled  :laughing7:
I'm starting on the edges and work inward with the easy pieces. I don't force-fit my pieces. I'm pretty sure my puzzle is correct  sofar. Unlike doctrines that think BBQ babies makes God feel more glorious...
I even cheated and looked at the outcome in  1Co_15:22-28
I know I deserve some heat but I asked for it. But end good all good :thumbsup:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Andromeda_Organa

One thing I find hilarious is they have CHick tracts rewritten for Blacks. :laughing7:

firstborn888

Quote from: Molly on November 26, 2008, 07:08:18 PM

Thanks for the info on double election, FB.  I guess that is Jacob and Esau on steroids.

I have to say, though, in reading through the Bible, I oten found myself saying...I'm becoming a Calvinist.. :mshock: 

The tension between Calvinism/Arminianism is to me the most glaring proof of mainstream 'hell' theology being 'off'. People who have an intimate relationship with God clearly understand His desire and love for all souls. Yet Calvinists bring convincing scriptural 'proof' of election/predestination.

I have many MANY who have come to UR through the ugly path of hard line Calvinism (intentional-purposeful damnation). Once convinced of election the battle starts between the conscience and doctrine.   

reFORMer

Quote from: WhiteWings on November 26, 2008, 01:55:29 PM
Molly check out his site: http://www.thewaythetruth.com/
Chick tracts on the front page.
Does that answer your question?  :laughing7:
That, "This Was Your Life" is my favorite Chick tract!!!  A Classic!  Now if somebody would just make one that explains what happened to put us in this life here like this . . .

firstborn888 . . . The only thing the Calvinist has to see is that it is TUUIP, not TULIP ("U" for Unlimited atonement not "L" for Limited atonement).