Sounds Just Glorious, Doesn't It? (Sarcasm ;)

[jabcat]

Ran across this from a site called crosswalk, written by J.E. Jones;

"Won't knowing unsaved loved ones are in hell make heaven miserable? Philosopher Adam Pelser argues that the saved may at times feel somberness over the lost, but that will not diminish joy (Paradise Understood, 131). Even on earth, somberness and joy can coexist (James 1:2).
Also at the judgment, God will expose every deed, thought, and motive of those who refuse to turn from wrongdoing and turn to Jesus Christ as Lord. When we see how those who have rejected Jesus' gift of eternal life "really are," we won't miss being with them.

Plus, the unsaved won't exist as we knew them. C.S. Lewis wrote, "What is cast (or casts itself) into hell is not a man: it is 'remains'... To be an ex-man or 'damned ghost'—would presumably mean to consist of a will utterly centred in the self and passions utterly uncontrolled by the will" (The Problem of Pain, 113-114). If Lewis is right, then seeing ex-humans with uncontrolled wills will do much to help us understand why they are lost."

[rosered]

Ran across this from a site called crosswalk, written by J.E. Jones;

"Won't knowing unsaved loved ones are in hell make heaven miserable? Philosopher Adam Pelser argues that the saved may at times feel somberness over the lost, but that will not diminish joy (Paradise Understood, 131). Even on earth, somberness and joy can coexist (James 1:2).
Also at the judgment, God will expose every deed, thought, and motive of those who refuse to turn from wrongdoing and turn to Jesus Christ as Lord. When we see how those who have rejected Jesus' gift of eternal life "really are," we won't miss being with them.

Plus, the unsaved won't exist as we knew them. C.S. Lewis wrote, "What is cast (or casts itself) into hell is not a man: it is 'remains'... To be an ex-man or 'damned ghost'—would presumably mean to consist of a will utterly centred in the self and passions utterly uncontrolled by the will" (The Problem of Pain, 113-114). If Lewis is right, then seeing ex-humans with uncontrolled wills will do much to help us understand why they are lost."

I am comforted   bro  James in knowing that   ,  GOD never changes     and we are always and ever changing  of being a part of Gods  new creation   in Christ   as the old is   wearing a away   like an old garment to be burned up and no more [  2 Peter 3 and Isaiah 9 ]
 


Not a one   whom is    still of the earthly realm    still in   bound in carnal thoughts [old death cloth]    can  never know the full impact of Gods glory   yet !   :dsunny: 

  :HeartThrob:  Glory to God always    ...

[marie glen]

Ran across this from a site called crosswalk, written by J.E. Jones;

"Won't knowing unsaved loved ones are in hell make heaven miserable? Philosopher Adam Pelser argues that the saved may at times feel somberness over the lost, but that will not diminish joy (Paradise Understood, 131). Even on earth, somberness and joy can coexist (James 1:2).
Also at the judgment, God will expose every deed, thought, and motive of those who refuse to turn from wrongdoing and turn to Jesus Christ as Lord. When we see how those who have rejected Jesus' gift of eternal life "really are," we won't miss being with them.

Plus, the unsaved won't exist as we knew them. C.S. Lewis wrote, "What is cast (or casts itself) into hell is not a man: it is 'remains'... To be an ex-man or 'damned ghost'—would presumably mean to consist of a will utterly centred in the self and passions utterly uncontrolled by the will" (The Problem of Pain, 113-114). If Lewis is right, then seeing ex-humans with uncontrolled wills will do much to help us understand why they are lost."

glorious? ...amen! crazy is more like it.. besides, the scripture doesn't say any of those things.. but "all gathered" (saved) is. Seems like it's okay to stretch the Word to explain ET.. while at the same time, overlooking ALL the UR verses, both the straight forward and the not as straight forward, such as in parables.. word definitions, etc..

And amen Rose!

[Dandelion]

So much for 'Love Never Fails', 1 Corinthians 13:8.         

Hard to believe how easily we accept the notion of Hell, now that I have looked at the issue with a different perspective.

D.               

[MHz]

Ran across this from a site called crosswalk, written by J.E. Jones;

"Won't knowing unsaved loved ones are in hell make heaven miserable? Philosopher Adam Pelser argues that the saved may at times feel somberness over the lost, but that will not diminish joy (Paradise Understood, 131). Even on earth, somberness and joy can coexist (James 1:2).

It would if it was possible but since it is not there is no misery. A wife that is a believer that is married to a non-believer is encouraged to remain married in the hopes her husband becomes a believe. Her faith covers her whole family and her husband would be gathered as easily as Saul was when the right time arrives.

1Corinthians :15:20:
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1Corinthians :15:23:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Corinthians :7:12-14:
But to the rest speak I,
not the Lord:
If any brother hath a wife that believeth not,
and she be pleased to dwell with him,
let him not put her away.
And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not,
and if he be pleased to dwell with her,
let her not leave him.
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife,
and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband:
else were your children unclean;
but now are they holy.

[darryl]

why in the world would God want billions of half demented crazy with rage n anxiety ever diminishing 'souls' or 'damned ghosts' (according to C.S. Lewis ) in existence, anyhow ?....surely, being omniscient, He knew that these raging self centred beings (who were once human ) would exist forever ? (before He even began the business of creating human beings ) ....cursing Him eternally ?....sinning forever n ever ?....blaspheming the Holy Spirit forever ?.....no wonder most intelligent people turn their backs on the 'traditional' 'eternal concious torment' Evangelical church...if thats the utter nonsense they teach.

[darryl]

Plus, the unsaved won't exist as we knew them. C.S. Lewis wrote, "What is cast (or casts itself) into hell is not a man: it is 'remains'... To be an ex-man or 'damned ghost'—would presumably mean to consist of a will utterly centred in the self and passions utterly uncontrolled by the will" (The Problem of Pain, 113-114). If Lewis is right, then seeing ex-humans with uncontrolled wills will do much to help us understand why they are lost."

sounds like something Lewis conjured up out of his own imagination...it's certainly not Biblical..the Bible nowhere speaks of 'ex-humans with uncontrolled wills' existing forever.

[marie glen]

Ran across this from a site called crosswalk, written by J.E. Jones;

"Won't knowing unsaved loved ones are in hell make heaven miserable? Philosopher Adam Pelser argues that the saved may at times feel somberness over the lost, but that will not diminish joy (Paradise Understood, 131). Even on earth, somberness and joy can coexist (James 1:2).

It would if it was possible but since it is not there is no misery. A wife that is a believer that is married to a non-believer is encouraged to remain married in the hopes her husband becomes a believe. Her faith covers her whole family and her husband would be gathered as easily as Saul was when the right time arrives.

1Corinthians :15:20:
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1Corinthians :15:23:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Corinthians :7:12-14:
But to the rest speak I,
not the Lord:
If any brother hath a wife that believeth not,
and she be pleased to dwell with him,
let him not put her away.
And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not,
and if he be pleased to dwell with her,
let her not leave him.
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife,
and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband:
else were your children unclean;
but now are they holy.

     :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

"..1Corinthians :15:23:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

And, I believe the following verses are a third - like the parable "the kingdom is like leaven worked into three measures of meal" which will become loaves of bread.. :gsmile:

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: [1]Christ the firstfruits, afterward [2]those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then [3]comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

:banana: :dsunny:

why in the world would God want billions of half demented crazy with rage n anxiety ever diminishing 'souls' or 'damned ghosts' (according to C.S. Lewis ) in existence, anyhow ?....surely, being omniscient, He knew that these raging self centred beings (who were once human ) would exist forever ? (before He even began the business of creating human beings ) ....cursing Him eternally ?....sinning forever n ever ?....blaspheming the Holy Spirit forever ?.....no wonder most intelligent people turn their backs on the 'traditional' 'eternal concious torment' Evangelical church...if thats the utter nonsense they teach.

   Amen! :eek: :doh:

sounds like something Lewis conjured up out of his own imagination...it's certainly not Biblical..the Bible nowhere speaks of 'ex-humans with uncontrolled wills' existing forever.

No doubt!!! ...imaginations run wild, which likely partly explains why such a myth exists at all..

[darryl]

Ran across this from a site called crosswalk, written by J.E. Jones;

"Won't knowing unsaved loved ones are in hell make heaven miserable? Philosopher Adam Pelser argues that the saved may at times feel somberness over the lost, but that will not diminish joy (Paradise Understood, 131). Even on earth, somberness and joy can coexist (James 1:2).

It would if it was possible but since it is not there is no misery. A wife that is a believer that is married to a non-believer is encouraged to remain married in the hopes her husband becomes a believe. Her faith covers her whole family and her husband would be gathered as easily as Saul was when the right time arrives.

1Corinthians :15:20:
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1Corinthians :15:23:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Corinthians :7:12-14:
But to the rest speak I,
not the Lord:
If any brother hath a wife that believeth not,
and she be pleased to dwell with him,
let him not put her away.
And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not,
and if he be pleased to dwell with her,
let her not leave him.
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife,
and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband:
else were your children unclean;
but now are they holy.

     :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

"..1Corinthians :15:23:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

And, I believe the following verses are a third - like the parable "the kingdom is like leaven worked into three measures of meal" which will become loaves of bread.. :gsmile:

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: [1]Christ the firstfruits, afterward [2]those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then [3]comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

:banana: :dsunny:

why in the world would God want billions of half demented crazy with rage n anxiety ever diminishing 'souls' or 'damned ghosts' (according to C.S. Lewis ) in existence, anyhow ?....surely, being omniscient, He knew that these raging self centred beings (who were once human ) would exist forever ? (before He even began the business of creating human beings ) ....cursing Him eternally ?....sinning forever n ever ?....blaspheming the Holy Spirit forever ?.....no wonder most intelligent people turn their backs on the 'traditional' 'eternal concious torment' Evangelical church...if thats the utter nonsense they teach.

   Amen! :eek: :doh:

sounds like something Lewis conjured up out of his own imagination...it's certainly not Biblical..the Bible nowhere speaks of 'ex-humans with uncontrolled wills' existing forever.

No doubt!!! ...imaginations run wild, which likely partly explains why such a myth exists at all..

:thumbsup: :dsunny:

[sheila]

vain imaginations...vain'image'in nations..the creature subjected unto vanity. God left men open to this so that we may reprove these evil imaginations and

exemplify His righteousness before Him. Ezekiel 38;9-11,Hebrews 12;3-4,Romans8;18-21   The nations grew wrathful and  your wrath came

the devil is allowed to take men captive at his will,so you and I  who do understand do have opportunity to fight him 2Timothy 2;24-26.In this way we do show

God that we do love our brother,although he is wounded and in need of a good 'spiritualSamaritan".


   It is the angels who will convince those to whom we speak of sin and it is God whom will open the ears of the hearers when He will.Please be patient with your

brethern who do not understand this word if  you attempt to inform them,you know that it is not the will of God at this time,and they may understand later.



evil imaginations can harden the ears of people and frustrate many teachers,and divide God's  children through ignorance and darkness. :2c:

love is patient,love is long-suffering,does not keep account of the offense :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

  Amen , the nations of  i magi are angry !!   fear of the unknown   keeps them bound to disobedience   , but the truth will set them free because the healing is a promise of Gods glory though the Holy Spirit      and tree of Life , that LOVE pours out though the  living waters of life freely .. :banana:     :HeartThrob:   God plan  is  a beaut !!!!!!  we wait on His unveiling   

Just as the cross of Jesus Christ   coming in all flesh    seems  impossible to be true  by the chaos of the world  lying in the streets   of death in evil   , Oh but what a quick work in righteousness the LORD IS     DOING NOW  :HeartThrob:
  so shall the test be as we wait  on the Lord   and rest in this Hope in us ..  the Christ in you the hope of glory 
  God has purposed everything  to make it beautiful in its time        there will be healing of many nations    as Revelations of Jesus CHRIST    unfolds  as the veils are lifted by the Light of His coming ... 
  Rev 21  and 22