Trinity Discussion, split from "Something I Just Read"

[CHB]

If the Father, Son and HS are one then the God family is closed only consisting of 3. In my understanding we are brothers of Christ which makes us part of God's family. That would mean that IMO the family is growing all the time but your trinity is a stumbling block because it narrows Gods family to only 3. The trinity is a limiting factor and a stumbling block. Would God be the author of a stumbling block?

DuWayne

Amen. This verse shows that the Holy Spirit is a power of God.    "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.

It is the power of God the Father that impregnated mary. If it had been the Holy Spirit...(a seperate being)...how could God be called the Father of Jesus.

CHB

[rosered]

If the Father, Son and HS are one then the God family is closed only consisting of 3. In my understanding we are brothers of Christ which makes us part of God's family. That would mean that IMO the family is growing all the time but your trinity is a stumbling block because it narrows Gods family to only 3. The trinity is a limiting factor and a stumbling block. Would God be the author of a stumbling block?


DuWayne

Hi DuWayne


3 as One    Not at all   in my opinion   Bro       that 3 only makes up the family ,   I believe in the ''corporate Christ '''     many are being all gathered   in to Christ  to be delivered to the Father , 
you are born again   as a spiritual being   , as we all are here  because we do not deny the Son of God Jesus Christ  , so the Holy Spirit is in you and   in all  , and if you have the Son you have the Father also      ,   this is how  we are Gathered  or subdued as   taken   as One /Christ ''in''    One GOD  by the Holy Spirit 
so you would have all 3 witnesses in you as do I and  Molly and  Shelia and  Ross ,  Jab , John  etc , all whom are called    and taken by  the Lord God  to fulfill His will


here is a   clue to what I am trying to say here ..
1Cr 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.  
  Hope this helps a little to explain what  we Know  , yet are not able to put in words

[rosered]

If the Father, Son and HS are one then the God family is closed only consisting of 3. In my understanding we are brothers of Christ which makes us part of God's family. That would mean that IMO the family is growing all the time but your trinity is a stumbling block because it narrows Gods family to only 3. The trinity is a limiting factor and a stumbling block. Would God be the author of a stumbling block?

DuWayne

Amen. This verse shows that the Holy Spirit is a power of God.    "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.

It is the power of God the Father that impregnated mary. If it had been the Holy Spirit...(a seperate being)...how could God be called the Father of Jesus.

CHB

Yes  the Holy Spirit is the action  MOVEMENT  or Love of God in Gods Wisdom female gender !!!     you got it CHB !  well put !!!!!  GOD IS SPIRIT  those whom worship Him it must be in SPIRIT and Truth   , what better   truth than in Gods wisdom and not  our wisdom that earthly sensual and devilish ?
  but we know  this  clue here
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
  man is male and female    this is the necessity to even produce offspring

  this  will be done in us all and will carry out in the same  sons of God  senerio  our example being Jesus first born from the dead    , yet  died on the Cross  and than become the LORD of the dead and Living =ALL !!   The power over all ... till He has gathered all into Himself   being delivered to the Father and Mother   male female Image  , mirror  or relection of the heavelies

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Luk 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

  Hope this is more clear to explain the  3 as One GOD  , just  what I know in my heart  as Truth 
  everyone must come to terms in their  own  heart with what is Truth

[micah7:9]

If the Father, Son and HS are one then the God family is closed only consisting of 3. In my understanding we are brothers of Christ which makes us part of God's family. That would mean that IMO the family is growing all the time but your trinity is a stumbling block because it narrows Gods family to only 3. The trinity is a limiting factor and a stumbling block. Would God be the author of a stumbling block?

DuWayne

:dsunny:
Amen. This verse shows that the Holy Spirit is a power of God.    "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.

It is the power of God the Father that impregnated mary. If it had been the Holy Spirit...(a seperate being)...how could God be called the Father of Jesus.

CHB

[micah7:9]

If the Father, Son and HS are one then the God family is closed only consisting of 3. In my understanding we are brothers of Christ which makes us part of God's family. That would mean that IMO the family is growing all the time but your trinity is a stumbling block because it narrows Gods family to only 3. The trinity is a limiting factor and a stumbling block. Would God be the author of a stumbling block?


DuWayne

:dsunny:

[rosered]

 
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: 


Luk 12:9   But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. 


Luk 12:10   And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. 


  this may also help explain  better what  and why this is so important to understand  this concept , making the scriptures more clear 

  those  3   are One God making up the very  Spirit and truth     when one  blasphemes   the Holy Spirit  this being God the Father and IN HIS WISDOM  = the Son  and sons of God ,  you speak against the very  WORD and Spirit and  work    that IS SALVATION   !!


48 The Jews replied to Jesus, "Aren't we right when we say that you're a Samaritan and that you're possessed by a demon?"

49 Jesus answered, "I'm not possessed. I honor my Father, but you dishonor me. 50 I don't want my own glory. But there is someone who wants it, and he is the judge. 51 I can guarantee this truth: Whoever obeys what I say will never see death."

[rosered]

 

:HeartThrob: Micah  , God bless you  :dsunny:

[micah7:9]

If the Father, Son and HS are one then the God family is closed only consisting of 3. In my understanding we are brothers of Christ which makes us part of God's family. That would mean that IMO the family is growing all the time but your trinity is a stumbling block because it narrows Gods family to only 3. The trinity is a limiting factor and a stumbling block. Would God be the author of a stumbling block?

DuWayne

Amen. This verse shows that the Holy Spirit is a power of God.    "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.

It is the power of God the Father that impregnated mary. If it had been the Holy Spirit...(a seperate being)...how could God be called the Father of Jesus.

CHB

Yes  the Holy Spirit is the action  MOVEMENT  or Love of God in Gods Wisdom female gender !!!     you got it CHB !  well put !!!!!  GOD IS SPIRIT  those whom worship Him it must be in SPIRIT and Truth   , what better   truth than in Gods wisdom and not  our wisdom that earthly sensual and devilish ?
  but we know  this  clue here
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
  man is male and female    this is the necessity to even produce offspring

  this  will be done in us all and will carry out in the same  sons of God  senerio  our example being Jesus first born from the dead    , yet  died on the Cross  and than become the LORD of the dead and Living =ALL !!   The power over all ... till He has gathered all into Himself   being delivered to the Father and Mother   male female Image  , mirror  or relection of the heavelies

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Luk 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

  Hope this is more clear to explain the  3 as One GOD  , just  what I know in my heart  as Truth 
  everyone must come to terms in their  own  heart with what is Truth

trinity= 3 PERSONS in one. I continue to ask where in the Bible do we find evidence that the Holy Spirit is a person?
The Holy Spirit is very real. It seems to me everyone who has been giving verses of scripture are trying to prove there is a Holy Spirit, I believe that we all believe in the Holy Spirit and that the Holy Spirit is real.

[rosered]

If the Father, Son and HS are one then the God family is closed only consisting of 3. In my understanding we are brothers of Christ which makes us part of God's family. That would mean that IMO the family is growing all the time but your trinity is a stumbling block because it narrows Gods family to only 3. The trinity is a limiting factor and a stumbling block. Would God be the author of a stumbling block?

DuWayne

Amen. This verse shows that the Holy Spirit is a power of God.    "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.

It is the power of God the Father that impregnated mary. If it had been the Holy Spirit...(a seperate being)...how could God be called the Father of Jesus.

CHB

Yes  the Holy Spirit is the action  MOVEMENT  or Love of God in Gods Wisdom female gender !!!     you got it CHB !  well put !!!!!  GOD IS SPIRIT  those whom worship Him it must be in SPIRIT and Truth   , what better   truth than in Gods wisdom and not  our wisdom that earthly sensual and devilish ?
  but we know  this  clue here
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
  man is male and female    this is the necessity to even produce offspring

  this  will be done in us all and will carry out in the same  sons of God  senerio  our example being Jesus first born from the dead    , yet  died on the Cross  and than become the LORD of the dead and Living =ALL !!   The power over all ... till He has gathered all into Himself   being delivered to the Father and Mother   male female Image  , mirror  or relection of the heavelies

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Luk 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

  Hope this is more clear to explain the  3 as One GOD  , just  what I know in my heart  as Truth 
  everyone must come to terms in their  own  heart with what is Truth

trinity= 3 PERSONS in one. I continue to ask where in the Bible do we find evidence that the Holy Spirit is a person?
The Holy Spirit is very real. It seems to me everyone who has been giving verses of scripture are trying to prove there is a Holy Spirit, I believe that we all believe in the Holy Spirit and that the Holy Spirit is real.

I have never said they are 3 persons , right there I said  they ARE SPIRIT AND TRUTH !!

   They are  3   as   ONE  , could I be any more clear Micah ?


  I even said from the start Jesus Flesh is not the same flesh  ,in the first offering  post    flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God

  in Adam  Gen 2     all die God made this man  adam   to become  flesh and blood   
but in Gen 1  adam was Spirit    male and female and his flesh was  spiritual  /celestial  being a son of God
  two very distinct   and different  forms of mankind   were created by GOD  in the Begining

    when God pours out His Spirit on all flesh    the conception occurs     same example of being born again of   Spirit and Truth   that we see Jesus was made the holy thing  in you

   this is why  Paul in acts  17 says   all nation were made under ONE BLOOD
  in the one blood of adam     the red is sinful in nature and    to die    , Adam   clay and red
But the blood of Jesus is   shed in innocence to be making them whiter than snow



and ALIVE TO GOD brought back from the dead    in resurrection of Him whom is the ressurection and the Life


I also served the UNKNOWN GOD and dead in my sins and trespass , till Jesus came sent by the Father   and the Holy Spirit  shows me and stays and teaches me about GOD , HIS WISDOM AND THE SON OFGOD , JESUS CHRIST


For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 


Act 17:24   God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 


Act 17:25   Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;   


Act 17:26   And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 


Act 17:27   That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 


at the door of our hearts !!!


Act 17:28  For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 


Act 17:29   Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 


Act 17:30   And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:  


Act 17:31   Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.  

[mplsfitter539]

The language in the bible always refers to the HS as the HS of God. Christ is the Son of God the father. So we have the Son of God and the Spirit of God. This does not fit with the excepted (by most "Chrisitians") definition of trinity. I will post again the pagan origins of this belief and the excepted view of those who believe in the pagan trinity theory. Please if you don't agree with this post would you kindly show me which part you don't agree with and explain why. Why do you insist on adding or subtracting from the written Word, the trinity is not a term used to describe God, the Son, or the Holy Spirit.

Look at how one very confusing man made doctrine even splits those of us believing in UR. The solution is don't add or subtract from the written Word. If trinity was mentioned even once in any respectable translation it could be considered but its not. In fact the entire subject of trinity is moot since God himself did not see fit to define Himself in such a way. If something cannot be understood in the context of the bible why are we wasting our time debating something added at the Nicean Counsel in 325AD by the biggest pagan of all, Constantine.

The current mainstream teaching in Christianity is that God is a coequal, coeternal, one-substance trinity, and that Jesus Christ is God. This doctrine is considered by many as the cornerstone of Christianity, but where did this doctrine come from? The historical record is overwhelming that the church of the first three centuries did not worship God as a coequal, coeternal, consubstantial, one-substance three in one mysterious godhead. The early church worshipped one God and believed in a subordinate Son. The trinity originated with Babylon, and was passed on to most of the world's religions. This polytheistic (believing in more than one god) trinitarianism was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy and slowly worked its way into Christian thought and creeds some 300 years after Christ. The idea of "God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology that was grafted into Christianity. Worshipping "God the Son" is idolatry, and idolatry is Biblically condemned; it breaks the first great commandment of God of not having any gods before him (Exodus 20:3). Then three centuries after Christ the corrupt emperor Constantine forced the minority opinion of the trinity upon the council of Nicea. The Christian church went downward from there; in fact some of the creeds and councils actually contradict each other. The council of Nicea 325 said that "Jesus Christ is God," the council of Constantinople 381 said that "the Holy Spirit is God," the council of Ephesus 431 said that "human beings are totally depraved," the council of Chalcedon 451 said that "Jesus Christ is both man and God." If you follow the logic here then first you have Jesus Christ as God, then you have man totally depraved, and then you have Jesus Christ as man and God. If Jesus Christ is both man and God does this mean that God is also totally depraved? Well maybe the doctrine of the coequal, coeternal, one-substance, mysterious three in one triune godhead is deprived of any historical foundation tying it into the Christianity of the Bible and the Christianity of the first three centuries. However the historical information ties the trinity into various pagan origins.

[micah7:9]

Excellent! :dsunny: :HeartThrob: But I fear what you say will not be accepted and that is sad. Thanks

[micah7:9]

If the Father, Son and HS are one then the God family is closed only consisting of 3. In my understanding we are brothers of Christ which makes us part of God's family. That would mean that IMO the family is growing all the time but your trinity is a stumbling block because it narrows Gods family to only 3. The trinity is a limiting factor and a stumbling block. Would God be the author of a stumbling block?

DuWayne

Amen. This verse shows that the Holy Spirit is a power of God.    "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.

It is the power of God the Father that impregnated mary. If it had been the Holy Spirit...(a seperate being)...how could God be called the Father of Jesus.

CHB

Yes  the Holy Spirit is the action  MOVEMENT  or Love of God in Gods Wisdom female gender !!!     you got it CHB !  well put !!!!!  GOD IS SPIRIT  those whom worship Him it must be in SPIRIT and Truth   , what better   truth than in Gods wisdom and not  our wisdom that earthly sensual and devilish ?
  but we know  this  clue here
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
  man is male and female    this is the necessity to even produce offspring

  this  will be done in us all and will carry out in the same  sons of God  senerio  our example being Jesus first born from the dead    , yet  died on the Cross  and than become the LORD of the dead and Living =ALL !!   The power over all ... till He has gathered all into Himself   being delivered to the Father and Mother   male female Image  , mirror  or relection of the heavelies

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Luk 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

  Hope this is more clear to explain the  3 as One GOD  , just  what I know in my heart  as Truth 
  everyone must come to terms in their  own  heart with what is Truth

trinity= 3 PERSONS in one. I continue to ask where in the Bible do we find evidence that the Holy Spirit is a person?
The Holy Spirit is very real. It seems to me everyone who has been giving verses of scripture are trying to prove there is a Holy Spirit, I believe that we all believe in the Holy Spirit and that the Holy Spirit is real.

I have never said they are 3 persons , right there I said  they ARE SPIRIT AND TRUTH !!

   They are  3   as   ONE  , could I be any more clear Micah ?

I was just pointing out that a trinity is said to be 3 persons in 1; You were clear enough, it's just when I read 3 in 1 I shudder. I have never been good in math but I know that you can't get 3 out of 1. :)

[Molly]

You are quoting someone else, mpls. We are looking at the Bible.  Many people worshipped Jesus while he walked on the earth and he never corrected them.  When Thomas said, My Lord and My God to him, Jesus did not say, no, I am not that, Thomas.   The high priest knew he was saying he was God and ripped his clothes, pulled his hair, and punched him.   Jesus was tried for blasphemy.

John 10:33 "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

The triune God is well known in the Old Testament.  They knew YHWH the Father and YHWH the Son.  They had the indwelt Holy Spirit and were led and rescued and taught by the Holy Spirit.

Even the pagans knew this, saying Daniel was indwelt by "the spirit of the holy gods."

[sheila]

I myself have stated that the trinity doctrine as taught is 'whacked' and that I am really more interested

   the true treasures and things exhibited in the Holy of Holies.  You yourself have said,that Molly's beleif

is not the trinity doctrine as the church teaches. and neither is mine,nor anyone elses as far as I can tell

   So what's all this idolatry and stumbling etc all about?

   we each have our own point of veiw..and evidently it is not the trinity doctrine as taught in the church..

  Personally I see Jesus and Holy spirit in Holy of Holies..working the High Presthood to lead us into

the presence of God..

   I have read the pagan origins years ago..but satn is always the imitator and corruptor of a truth of God..

therefore I said...trinity doctrines taught in christendom...'whacked' but I am more interested in

  hidden gems revealed in word of God/scriptures..of what is the truth.what,this can't be examined

and discussed?   Yes, the trinity doctrine as taught in christendom is 'whacked' but can we please discuss

and examine what the scriptures say and examine them without being accused of causing division

stumbling and idolatry,please?

   

[rosered]

I was just pointing out that a trinity is said to be 3 persons in 1; You were clear enough, it's just when I read 3 in 1 I shudder. I have never been good in math but I know that you can't get 3 out of 1. :)

I am super lousy at math , but have been  studying   Gods patterns   as of late ,  and am amazed with Gods  wonderful  and perfect  WORK    with  letters and number patterns  ,   3 is a prime number Micah
for instance  here I found this to help explain
A prime number (or a prime) is a natural number greater than 1 that has no positive divisors other than 1 and itself. A natural number greater than 1 that is not a prime number is called a composite number.

  the 3  beings   , the  3   outer court , inner court and holy of Holies
  the  3 sons of Noah , the 3's are thoughout His Word
  we have the word     being  written Word and spoken Word and Living Word 
 

  I have used scriptures to  the best of my ability     to explain the  3 as 1  GOD
  never persons   or persona  but  3 distinct funtions and   ALL come from GOD ALMIGHTY    , there is no word I know to express   the Great Living God    without    poor attempts to express the greatness   of  the Omniscience    of God the creator   who is ALL

I am thankful you are willing to  share  express and expline  as we are all pressing into this  deeply

I love  that !!   :girlheart:

[marie glen]

This is such a touchy topic.. or at least often is.. but I'd still like to add my  :2c: worth :smile:

I actually come down on both sides of this long standing 'debate' (can you believe they even had a small war over this? that's what I read a long time ago, anyway) - and taking both sides to an issue, doesn't often get me much support, :laughing7:

I've come to think of it like this, that the Son is the 1st of aLL creation, that He proceeded straight out from God.. (whereas all other things were created in and through the Son)

Straight out from God (onLy begotten) - being so close as to share substance, essence and character.. I think of it like this, in the animal and vegetable kingdoms, there are many. In the 'God Kingdom' there are two, the Father and Son. Being so close that BOTH can pour out (and anoint-with) God's Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost which is God's Presence (imo)

This, to me, makes them "One"

But, I figure they also must be "Two" because Jesus prayed to someone..

And He prayed that the body/believers would "be one, as He and the Father are one"

just my  :2c:  :hiya:
blessings!
glenda

p.s. paradoxically I feel the Son was with God from the beginning.. but then too, all things will one day be "one" in that God will be "all in all" one yet many, with the Son having pre-eminence of course, only after God Most High/the Father..

[sheila]

questions...is God one spirit? I say yes..does a spirit have the right to mnifest itself in different forms?

  I'd say yes...d/t  they may take whatever form they desire...therefore make no image[set form] in your mind

of God.He can manifest in clouds,light,appearnce as a man..a voice in a burning bush.He can freely

move in and out and through His whole creation.

   Now,as far as I can tell,He has desired to make Himself into a family form..for His spirit to dwell in.....

  He has also taken some of His substance and displayed it in a material seen way..that we do

observe with material/terrestial eyes.  He also has taken some of His substance and made celestial

creatures and sons and daughters.

  is this really the bottom line...that the arguement is about what form He dwells in?

  and if we have trouble with Him manifesting Himself as 3 in 1..how we going to deal with Him manifesting

Himself as all in all?

[Molly]

59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;

60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,

61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.

62 And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?

63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

66 What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.

67 Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,

68 Saying, Prophesy unto us, thou Christ, Who is he that smote thee?

--Mat 26



Why did the high priest go nuts when he heard Jesus say this?   What did the high priest know about this passage that we don't know?   Why did the high priest call this blasphemy?

It is because he knew that Jesus was identifying himself as the Rider of the Clouds in the Old Testament, and thereby identifying himself as God.



13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

--Dan 7





Sing to God, sing in praise of his name, extol him who rides on the clouds; rejoice before him--his name is the LORD.

--Psa 68


Q.E.D.

[micah7:9]

Let me ask this question. If you picked up your Bible never hearing of a trinity theory doctrine of 3 in 1, would you have constructed the teaching on what the Bible reads?

[sheila]

another thing I have heard said,that I don't comprehend..is this...if Jesus Christ..the Holy spirit and God

are one,where does that leave us?   Well,what if He made a High presithood that was one with Him to

minister and bring other's into oneness with Him?Is He allowed to do that? To make many different vessels

to have His spirit dwell in? with differnt functions in the body?

   Isaaih 45;11  This is what the Lord says-the Holy one of Israel and it's maker;

   Concerning things to come,do you question me about my children,or give me orders about the work

of my hands?  It is I who made the earth and created mankind on it,my own hands stretched out

the heavens;I marshalled their starry hosts. I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness;I will make

all his ways straight.He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free,but not for a price or reward.

      something to think about.

[mplsfitter539]

Let me ask this question. If you picked up your Bible never hearing of a trinity theory doctrine of 3 in 1, would you have constructed the teaching on what the Bible reads?

:iagree: How can someone say that they would create the same theology from only the information contained in the only thing that counts, the Word of God.

[Molly]

Let me ask this question. If you picked up your Bible never hearing of a trinity theory doctrine of 3 in 1, would you have constructed the teaching on what the Bible reads?

:iagree: How can someone say that they would create the same theology from only the information contained in the only thing that counts, the Word of God.

Do you believe Jesus is God?  Because I've just proven that from the Bible.

Otherwise, he is a liar and guilty of blasphemy and deserved to die.

[redhotmagma]

I have said ye are all gods, sons of the Most High

[rosered]

Let me ask this question. If you picked up your Bible never hearing of a trinity theory doctrine of 3 in 1, would you have constructed the teaching on what the Bible reads?

:iagree: How can someone say that they would create the same theology from only the information contained in the only thing that counts, the Word of God.

Hi DuWayne

   For me its not only what  grows in you from the God almighty  creator of all things  to understand it
  but the Written  Word     is the same as babes in Christ 1)

spiritual growth and the   
Spoken Word is the same as the young men 2)  in spiritual growth
  the the Living Word is the same as the fathers3)  in Spiritual growth

fuller measures of Truth and grace   from the Holy Spirit teaching us , the Wisdom of God
those  patterns of  threes  come from ONE GOD  [All  in ALL ] [Godhead]

we do not deny Jesus Christ  is   1)  the   way 2) Truth and 3 )   the Life

again the 3's pattern   , I was hoping to show the  3 in  1    as  them examples

1Cr 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.  
   both being the Holy Spirit/power  and Wisdom of God = Jesus Christ

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


  I do not believe in the trinity doctrine according to the traditions of men  , though they had an idea [image  of thought process   they share ]
  but will not deny the   Holy Godhead as   3  to be from one GOD  , just as I will never deny the 7Spirits of God  /7 eyes on one Stone  the rock Jesus Christ

  in Gods design and wisdom created an amazing  mystery to unfold    to quicken within us , to know the truth  by His Holy Spirit that dwells with us as we continually  grow in Truth and grace 
   now being spiritual [Christ sitting on the thrones of our hearts ruling ]   more so as the carnal  takes the  backseat  till its completly done away with in Christ to the full

This is my thoughts about it , none do ever have to agree , thats  fine , but was only sharing  in more  detail   how      beautiful Gods  desire is  for us 
sure we will change  more and more as we are given more  and more of Him   from Him ! to God be the glory !!

[Molly]

I have said ye are all gods, sons of the Most High

OK Let me put it another way.  Jesus said he was YHWH.