Priest Has Near Death Experience

[CrossoverManiac]

What is your opinion on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqiqO5BzH74

[ded2daworld]

hard to be condemned to a place that doesn't exist. The preist wouldn't have been condemned to sheol as that is simply the abode of the dead. We don't go immediately to judgment anyway. IMO, near death experiences are baloney.

[jabcat]

I can't see youtube videos on my work computer.  But if it's the same as this one I can view in print, I'm inclined to say "nahhhh"  :)

He says Jesus told Mary, "Mother, he's yours..".  I don't see anything even close to scriptural about that.

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=2817859.0

[jabcat]

Also this:

"He has learned this beautiful truth, no one of the Blessed Trinity can say "no" to Our Lady. It is impossible."

ROFLOL

Maybe it's a different video/"testimony"...

[Jeremias]

About using NDE's to prove Hell...

In 2011... I watched about 15 episodes of AE Biography's series, I Survived: Beyond and Back.  They interview3 or 4 people's NDE per episode.  After watching about 4 episodes (16 people) you get a feel for how Christian's explain their story (and how the show producers try hard to eliminate any religious language from their stories).  You also can tell when the person explaining was not a Christian when their NDE happened.

The show is not scientific or doesn't seem to be trying to prove anything.  And who knows, maybe they just refuse to put the people with hell flames and fire on the show.  However, in hearing roughly 60 people tell their stories, none of the non-christians experienced anything vastly different than the christians.  The themes were all very similar.  Seeing a bright light.  Feeling unimaginable love and peace. 

One guy, who I identified as a possible non-christian, said he at first felt cold and was in a super darker than dark "outer-space" type prison "cell"... but not in an institutional prison... it was like he was in space but touched these walls of energy around him that held him inside.  From far, far away he saw a pin tip sized light than slowly became larger and larger until it complete engulfed him.  The closer it got the warmer he got and the more he was overwhelmed by peace and love.  The voice spoke to him and told him he had to go back.

NDE's are interesting stories.  The Hell ones are usually the most famously repeated.  But my bet is that just as many non-christians have stories just like the ones on Beyond and Back... where they experience a bright light and peace and love.

:2c:

[Lazarus Short]

File that under:

SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS

[CrossoverManiac]

Question: would the verse "It's appointed unto a man to die and then the judgment" disprove all NDEs?

[eaglesway]

In an NDE, we are asked to believe that the person having it is actually experiencing reality- but Paul did not know, when he was caught up to the third heaven, whether he was in the body or out of it- and Paul was an experienced traveler in the spirit, having been raised from the dead(or near death) after stoning, raising a man from the dead, etc.

I do not believe all NDE's are invalid- I just believe they are interpreted according to the religious misinformation of the people that have them. I also believe some of them ARE invalid/phony/demonic/etc- especially the ones that end up in million selling books where the person gets rich off it :o)

A person sees the spiritual reality of Gehenna or the lake of fire, but they are not yet able to process it because they are carnal, because they are in a vision, and, because it is still a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. The vision of His wrath is, for the natural mind, perhaps a very difficult pill to swallow.

[Lazarus Short]

A friend of mine once characterized NDE's as terminal euphoria.

[sheila]

 well..David had enough spiritual sense to know that it was better to fall into the hands of God [as it pertains to judgement]

  then the hands of  men.

[ded2daworld]

Maybe because God has absolutely nothing to gain and takes no pleasure in torturing someone -
oops...sounded UR there for a minute :laugh:

[eaglesway]

well..David had enough spiritual sense to know that it was better to fall into the hands of God [as it pertains to judgement]

  then the hands of  men.

Amen to that. Most men would have us burn forever as heretics :o)

[Wayfaring Stranger]

About using NDE's to prove Hell...

In 2011... I watched about 15 episodes of AE Biography's series, I Survived: Beyond and Back.  They interview3 or 4 people's NDE per episode.  After watching about 4 episodes (16 people) you get a feel for how Christian's explain their story (and how the show producers try hard to eliminate any religious language from their stories).  You also can tell when the person explaining was not a Christian when their NDE happened.

The show is not scientific or doesn't seem to be trying to prove anything.  And who knows, maybe they just refuse to put the people with hell flames and fire on the show.  However, in hearing roughly 60 people tell their stories, none of the non-christians experienced anything vastly different than the christians.  The themes were all very similar.  Seeing a bright light.  Feeling unimaginable love and peace. 

One guy, who I identified as a possible non-christian, said he at first felt cold and was in a super darker than dark "outer-space" type prison "cell"... but not in an institutional prison... it was like he was in space but touched these walls of energy around him that held him inside.  From far, far away he saw a pin tip sized light than slowly became larger and larger until it complete engulfed him.  The closer it got the warmer he got and the more he was overwhelmed by peace and love.  The voice spoke to him and told him he had to go back.

NDE's are interesting stories.  The Hell ones are usually the most famously repeated.  But my bet is that just as many non-christians have stories just like the ones on Beyond and Back... where they experience a bright light and peace and love.

:2c:

It's interesting that only Christians seem to go to "hell" in NDE's whereas everyone else seems to go to Heaven or some Heaven-like place.

"Verily I say to you, that the tax-gatherers and the harlots do go before you into the reign of God"-Matthew 21:31

[WhiteWings]

The problem (?) is that God is the Master of symbology. If He shows one thing it can mean something entirely different.
I think Genesis 22:1-19 is a great example of that.
Say God filmed that event and showed it to you in an NDE.
Would you really figure out that animal lamb was symbolic for God's Son?

[micah7:9]

I, me, myself do not accept NDE, evidence of these things like, "heaveny things" is in the Bible? Where? Religious Hype, is where it comes from when the idea of expiring from this life is confronted. Lately this type of experience is controversial, a head line grabber, their are experiences that humans have on the table of surgery, there are experiences that people have when they are overwhelmed with the thought of death. But think about it, all these folks know, is what religion, the theology they listened to, and what denominational teaching offers. "23 minutes in Hell" a book, where did that writer get his information? Why did people, religious, buy into his speak? I say from the information they "heard." You all study the Bible, where in the Bible have you read about a NDE?  Where have you read a description of "hell" as 23 minutes there? Just curious. :Chinscratch:

[WhiteWings]

I, me, myself do not accept NDE, evidence of these things like, "heaveny things" is in the Bible?

My initial response is: Smart move!

You all study the Bible, where in the Bible have you read about a NDE?  Where have you read a description of "hell" as 23 minutes there? Just curious. :Chinscratch:

First of all The Biible is the word of God, but NOT the complete word of God. By that I mean, Father knows much more than you find in your Bible. So IF NDE's are real they don't have to be mentioned in the Bible. But, imo, they will NEVER contradict the Bible. To give an odd example, I would reject an NDE that shows me satan is just another title of Jesus. I wouldn't reject an NDE that states the name of a certain angel in heaven in Micah. It's not unBiblical. But I would always rank it at a lower trust level than any verse found in the Bible.
So yes I am skeptical.

But also consider this.....
All prophets had dreams. Perhaps dreams technically aren't NDEs but for this discussion I think it's close enough.
Anyway those men wrote down book you cherish with your life. What if those men had rejected every dream, voice, sign, etc as delusion, satanic, etc?????
Don't expect me to answer that because it still is a problematic for me.

[micah7:9]

"But also consider this.....
All prophets had dreams. Perhaps dreams technically aren't NDEs but for this discussion I think it's close enough."

Thought provoking. But they WERE prophets. My main thing is what nde's "see" and report. :sigh:

[WhiteWings]

They were prophets. Yes. True. No debate about that.
Was God's right to raise prophets after Jesus taken away?
Is He bound by some law that He no longer is allowed to pass on information in every each way He seems fit?


My answers: No. No.