Let's ask Jesus the question: "Will few be saved"?

[SeekerSA]

First,as concerns the testaments.The new testament had no effect unless the old was dead.The old covenant was between God,and Israel,period.

Wrong, non-Jews could convert by becoming circumcised.

How did it die?
Hebrews 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

How did Christ do away with the letter of the law.

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

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How did He do it? He fullfilled ALL of the laws and statutes and proved the enemy a liar, and a murderer,as He said the enemy was.

Romans 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law,that the man that doeth these things shall live by them.
  They crucified Jesus the just,who obeyed perfectly to the death.Proving that the enemy was not going to let ANYONE live,and was a liar.

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Secondly,here is what Jesus saves you from.He saves you from dying,and your thoughts perishing.He saves you from having to come back in the millineum and being under the power of the second,permanent death.

Nope, He save us from our sins Matt 1:21

Here is what death under the law is.

Psalm 146:4His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

5Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God:

Jesus said the same thing.

Luke 13:2-4
2And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

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As concerns the second death;

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The wheat will be gathered and stored,and the tares burned.

Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

These are the wheat.


What is that second death?It is for the tares.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

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When you start including context I will bother to reply, enjoy the cherries.  I hate playing bible hop-scotch.

Blessings

[CHB]

Once Satan and the tares are delt with in finality, death will certainly have no place (thus the metaphor, hell and death are thrown in the lake of fire).

(1Cor. 15:26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

It doesn't say the last enemy that shall be destroyed is dying, it says DEATH. As long as there is one person dead then death will remain, it is not destroyed.

CHB

[Peacetroll]

 What instructions has Paul given you to do?

Do you pick and choose Pauls doctrines and scriptures to suit the UR theology or any?

Is precept not built on precept?

Again,....where did Paul get this message from?

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

This came from Isaiah.

Isaiah 28:9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Jesus made this very clear!

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Cherry picking is not what I have been showing you,but precept upon precept.

[SeekerSA]

What instructions has Paul given you to do?

Do you pick and choose Pauls doctrines and scriptures to suit the UR theology or any?

Is precept not built on precept?

Again,....where did Paul get this message from?

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

This came from Isaiah.

Isaiah 28:9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Jesus made this very clear!

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Cherry picking is not what I have been showing you,but precept upon precept.

No you are cherry picking.  Taking a verse out of context and stringing theme together is exactly what we are not supposed to do.  You cite a whole lot of verses aka bible hop-scotch and then I have to go and look up the context.

Precept and line upon line is seeing deeper meanings to the same texts.  These deeper meanings do not contradict each other.

Your apologetics is pathetic as all you show is one-liners, string them together to make a new meaning and the in context meaning of that verse is 180 degrees opposite to what you are proposing.  This is exactly what the mainstream does.

I do not mind having a dialogue with someone that disagrees with me but if I have to do all the work, then I tend to dismiss the discussion.  I have shown the error of your context cherry picking, you ignore that then go on to pick more cherries.  In effect you are just sowing confusion to the lazy lurkers.

You demonstrate time and again the fallacy of citing texts that as stand-alone can be seen to represent that only a few will be saved, yet ignore to whom that passage was directed to, 90% of the time the Pharisees aka the religious elect aka Calvinism then you flatly ignore scriptures that oppose your POV.

You make hasty generalisations as has been pointed out and then proceed to post based on those generalisations.  None of your threads have been convincing, when flatly opposed of refuted, you merely back off awhile then come back and start a new thread.

Surely by now you must realise, no one here is going to adopt you POV.  I can discuss CU on non CU forums and have dialogue as I cite context and more than just a one liner POV.

Try showing context and highlight the verse you refer to, that will make for an easier dialogue.

I will respond to one earlier scrip:

Matthew 8:22
But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Mat 8:19  And a certain scribe came and said to him, Master, I will follow You wherever You go.
Mat 8:20  And Jesus said to him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.
Mat 8:21  And another of His disciples said to him, Lord, allow me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22  But Jesus said to him, Follow Me, and let the dead bury their dead.

Firstly, the scribe was addressed where Jesus showed him that if he wanted to follow Him, he would fore go many benefits he was accustomed to.  He did not reject the scribe.

The disciple that wanted to bury his father first, one assumes he was already dead.  The tradition of the Jews was that the eldest was responsible to see to the burial of the father and I speak under correction that this was part of their laws.  When Jesus said let the dead bury their dead, he was referring to those that wanted to remain under the Law in part.  How can a dead person bury another dead person?  Did this imply that by following Jesus, the disciple would not be able to bury his father?  No.  It meant, leave the law behind and follow me, I have the right way.

Jesus came to abrogate the law, many liked what He taught but were in bondage to religion.  They wanted what Jesus taught but wanted to add it to their religion or tweak it a bit.  What Jesus taught was in total opposition to the law, His doctrine and the law could not stand side by side, oil and water, new wine old wineskins.

I can go on here but I did this to show, one can see deeper things when considering the context and derive the true meaning.  I am merely using logic and I am considering other teachings of Jesus.  Look how much I wrote.

What you do is pick a verse, take the literal meaning out of context and then try and build a doctrine on that verse coupled with a few more out of context verses.

That is what the church does, most accept it as they do not study to show themselves approved, hence the apathy we have today and the adherence to dead doctrines of men aka devils.

My knowledge of scripture is good but for some reason, I cannot memorise it.  Look only at someone like Jack van Impe, he orates the stuff and sounds so convincing that many accept what he says based purely on performance, he may be reading a teleprompter but it sure is fast.  As best he is entertainment.

I am not a context only person, but if what you offer opposes context then it must be challenged, deeper meanings layers, precepts et al, are supportive of the original context.

Get e-sword.

Blessings

[Peacetroll]

You are correct, if you are under the Mosaic Laws you are dead.

But you also left out an important component, without Christ in you,...you are dead.   There are many without Christ and without the Mosiac Laws who are also spiritually dead (I hope that clarifies his point in that scripture for you).

The Matthew 8:22 verse directly relates to the following scripture as well...

1 John 5:12
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Do you see??

May we move on to the initial point...

Here a little and there a little means just that.
It is how you learn the mystery of Godliness.

Paul put it this way.

Romans 16:24The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:






Ephesians 3:2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Colossians 1:25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus put it this way.

Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Where do we hear this in the prophets?

Psalm 78
1Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.

2I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

Isaiah 28: 9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.


Paul put it another way.

1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Hebrews 6
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

3And this will we do, if God permit.

Paul had a job to do and he did it as Jesus willed.Perfectly.For the elects sake.

2 Timothy 2:9Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.

10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

What did Peter say of this?

2 Peter 3:15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

What did Peter mean by this,to beware of being led away with the error of the wicked by Pauls writings?

Pauls own words explain.

2 Corinthians 6:7By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

8By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;

This is why Paul was rejected by the churches he established near the end of his ministry.

2 Timothy 4:15Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.

16At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.

17Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

The elect are chosen for adoption as children of God from among the gentiles.The saints are the 144000 and the Elders,all children of Israel.

Peter was an elder.

1 Peter 5:1The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

2Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

3Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.



This is why the message given to the gentiles was garbled by Paul,just as Jesus taught in parables,so that hearing the vast majority would not understand,and for the gentiles, that the election might stand.

Romans 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)


1 Peter 1
1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Without Paul,there would have not been the way to chose the elect out of those called to believe that Jesus was the son of God.Paul told all the way this was done.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[SeekerSA]

There were three men entering into heaven. The first man looks at the second and says "what are you doing here?" He answers "Well, I was lost in sin and darkness and a friend invited me to a good church who told me about how I needed Jesus. After a long battle with pride and self I finally gave in and eventually accepted Him as my Savior"
"Great!" says the first man. And the second man says back to the first man "well, what are YOU doing here?"
And the second man answers "Well I was raised in a Christian family and I realized early on that I'd better do the right thing and be a servant of God rather than suffer the consequences, so I worked hard, studied the bible, prayed and sought God's will for my life and... well.. it WORKED! Here I am!"

THen they both looked at the third man and recognized him as the the sleazy drug dealer from down the street who was in and out of jail and constantly engaged in drunken brawls etc etc. Stunned, they both looked at him in unison and asked "WHAT IN THE WORLD are YOU doing here???

The man replied "Someone saved me"

[Peacetroll]

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

[Craig]

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Context. What was Paul talking about?

[Moshood]

ARE FEW BEING SAVED [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ]? INDEED!!

Many [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ] are entering through the gate that leadeth unto Destruction, while Few [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ]
are entering through the gate that leadeth unto Life, so strive [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ] to enter through the narrow gate that leadeth unto Life,
for Many [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ] will seek to enter but shall not be able [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ].

This is how I see it.

[laren]

ARE FEW BEING SAVED [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ]? INDEED!!

Many [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ] are entering through the gate that leadeth unto Destruction, while Few [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ]
are entering through the gate that leadeth unto Life, so strive [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ] to enter through the narrow gate that leadeth unto Life,
for Many [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ] will seek to enter but shall not be able [ AT THE PRESENT TIME ].

This is how I see it.

I used to think this way too, but I think the story of Noah and the flood is a similtude of salvation. 

The flood (ie: fire) destroyed the wicked, and saved the few (Noah and family protected by the ark/blood of Jesus) at the same time, same flood. 

I personally don't see where those destroyed in the flood (fire) are resurrected again to go through lake of fire later on for their salvation/purging.  There destruction imo, was there salvation.

There house came crashing down, (self works).  Those trusting were rewarded with the promise land. 

Destruction of old was necessary for the New to be revealed. 

   

[Apocatastasis]

Are my posts invisible, or what?  :dontknow:

[SeekerSA]

Are my posts invisible, or what?  :dontknow:

Must be the greek name you have  :laughing7:

Blessings

[Peacetroll]

 You can't say who will be saved on the last day,at the end of the millinum ,because all who are not part of the first resurrection, or rest in Christ untill that last day will be resurected in the flesh and live at least a hundred years during that period.Starting from the last going back to the first.

Isaiah 65:20
There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.


The child is one who comes to Christ in the millinum,the sinner is one who rejects Jesus' and is cursed with living on as the tares are gathered together to be destroyed.

They will be just as they were in this age spiritually.The Lord will not change the children of this world into the children of light.They are of another spirit.

Revelation 22:10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Nahum 1

7The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

8But with an overrunning flood he will make an utter end of the place thereof, and darkness shall pursue his enemies.

9What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.

10For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.

[SpiritDriven]

Hello Peace Troll.....you give me the impression that a man can resist Gods intention for him?
I do not believe that after reading Romans 9, have you read Romans 9 ?
What say you about Romans 9 ?

Peace

[70sevens]

Romans 9 talks about "what we sow is what we reap" principle.

If a man sow bean God will make him reap bean,
if red bean, God will make him reap red bean.
For instance, Jacob sowed bean, and God made him reap bean,
Esau sowed red bean, and red bean he reaped.

If we sow red bean,
we cannot resist God's will to make us to reap red bean.

So Romans 9
tells us that we should be careful what we are sowing now.

God bless

[SpiritDriven]

14 What, then, shall we be declaring? Not that there is injustice with God? May it not be coming to that!
15 For to Moses He is saying, "I shall be merciful to whomever I may be merciful, and I shall be pitying whomever I may be pitying."
16 Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful.
17 For the scripture is saying to Pharaoh that "For this selfsame thing I rouse you up, so that I should be displaying in you My power, and so that My name should be published in the entire earth."
18 Consequently, then, to whom He will, He is merciful, yet whom He will, He is hardening.
19 You will be protesting to me, then, "Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood His intention?"

Are you teaching that a man can with stand Gods intention for him ?

Some Bibles translate...Nobody can resist his will....am I to understand you are teaching against the word of God ?

[70sevens]

[Rom 9:19]
One of you will say to me:
"Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?"

Yes, right.
Nobody can resist HIS will, I agree.
And HIS will always operate in accord with HIMSELF, the life.
So red-bean sower cannot reap bean against God's will.
He has to reap red-bean.

God bless.

[arcticmonster2003]

quote SeekerSA

There were three men entering into heaven. The first man looks at the second and says "what are you doing here?" He answers "Well, I was lost in sin and darkness and a friend invited me to a good church who told me about how I needed Jesus. After a long battle with pride and self I finally gave in and eventually accepted Him as my Savior"
"Great!" says the first man. And the second man says back to the first man "well, what are YOU doing here?"
And the second man answers "Well I was raised in a Christian family and I realized early on that I'd better do the right thing and be a servant of God rather than suffer the consequences, so I worked hard, studied the bible, prayed and sought God's will for my life and... well.. it WORKED! Here I am!"

THen they both looked at the third man and recognized him as the the sleazy drug dealer from down the street who was in and out of jail and constantly engaged in drunken brawls etc etc. Stunned, they both looked at him in unison and asked "WHAT IN THE WORLD are YOU doing here???

The man replied "Someone saved me"

:thumbsup:

[Craig]

quote SeekerSA

There were three men entering into heaven. The first man looks at the second and says "what are you doing here?" He answers "Well, I was lost in sin and darkness and a friend invited me to a good church who told me about how I needed Jesus. After a long battle with pride and self I finally gave in and eventually accepted Him as my Savior"
"Great!" says the first man. And the second man says back to the first man "well, what are YOU doing here?"
And the second man answers "Well I was raised in a Christian family and I realized early on that I'd better do the right thing and be a servant of God rather than suffer the consequences, so I worked hard, studied the bible, prayed and sought God's will for my life and... well.. it WORKED! Here I am!"

THen they both looked at the third man and recognized him as the the sleazy drug dealer from down the street who was in and out of jail and constantly engaged in drunken brawls etc etc. Stunned, they both looked at him in unison and asked "WHAT IN THE WORLD are YOU doing here???

The man replied "Someone saved me"

:thumbsup:

Exactly.

[Peacetroll]

2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Jeremiah 11:20
But, O LORD of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I revealed my cause.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (King James Version)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


Obviously the true God has no problem seeing the intentions of the heart.  And NO one comes to him unless they are chosen to.

And if they are OF GOD they will LOVE GOD.

Wake up.

[70sevens]

Quote Jesus.

[Luk 19:20-22]
20/ "Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina;
I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth.
21/ I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man.
You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'
22/ "His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant!
You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in,
and reaping what I did not sow?


Jesus reminds us of that we must sow to reap.
Peter sowed more than 3 years following Jesus, and reaped salvation.
Paul also did so.
There is no exception to this principle of life.
Jesus is not reaping what he did not sow.

The 3rd man's salvation in the story is by a fluke, not by Jesus.
We all here believe in Jesus, not fluke.

[SeekerSA]

Quote Jesus.

[Luk 19:20-22]
20/ "Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina;
I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth.
21/ I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man.
You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'
22/ "His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant!
You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in,
and reaping what I did not sow?


Jesus reminds us of that we must sow to reap.
Peter sowed more than 3 years following Jesus, and reaped salvation.
Paul also did so.
There is no exception to this principle of life.
Jesus is not reaping what he did not sow.

The 3rd man's salvation in the story is by a fluke, not by Jesus.
We all here believe in Jesus, not fluke.

Two problems if you take this literally

22/ "His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant!
You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in,
and reaping what I did not sow?

Seem like here He does reap what is not sown by Him directly however His Teachings were all seed, thus He does reap what He did not sow directly.


Peacetroll you say wake up.  We say open your eyes.  You see better when your eyelids/scales are not before your eyes.

BIC