Off Beat Big Time

[Gary Amirault]

Here's is another email I received today. I referred him to this page so he can read your responses (GA):

You guys are so far off beat. You don't know god and will never see heaven (unless you repent). You are peverting the truth of God for your own ends I pray that you will be brought to justice before you lead others the same way. you are false prophets, liars and thieves and hell bound for all eternity. You are God haters, perverts who love your own ends I don't think You have any intention of repenting so that's why I pray you'll be stopped. I pray that God will do whatever it takes to stop you dammed liars from peverting God's Holy Word. You speak of things you know nothing about, because you know about God but don't know God,

Amen

[Redkora]

Sir/Ma'am, condemnation and name-calling only makes your argument look bad. If you want to argue against Universal reconciliation, do it with respect. I think it would have been better to say, "I am troubled by your spreading of Universal Reconciliation, and I would like to respectfully argue against it."

However, if you're not interested in arguing your point and just want to rant about how people preaching UR are going to Hell, that's your business. Perhaps you'd like to join this forum?

[Michele]

Here's is another email I received today. I referred him to this page so he can read your responses (GA):

You guys are so far off beat. You don't know god and will never see heaven (unless you repent). You are peverting the truth of God for your own ends I pray that you will be brought to justice before you lead others the same way. you are false prophets, liars and thieves and hell bound for all eternity. You are God haters, perverts who love your own ends I don't think You have any intention of repenting so that's why I pray you'll be stopped. I pray that God will do whatever it takes to stop you dammed liars from peverting God's Holy Word. You speak of things you know nothing about, because you know about God but don't know God,

Amen

You can feel the hate in that post......pretty heavy stuff.   :sigh:

I'd like that person to see this video below....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RGwrm2EVo9c

[Kratos]

Can you back up with scriptures your statement that:

(1) We are God haters if we believe that He is both willing and able to save all of His Children in the end.

(2) We must repent of not believing in an eternal Hell or we are going there.

I have never seen where Hell is an essential doctrine of salvation to those who have made Jesus their Lord, but maybe you know something that I do not know. Is salvation about believing in a place called Hell or is it about believing and trusting in Jesus Christ?

Scriptures please or you are adding to the Bible as to what loving God and salvation is all about.

Thank you for playing,

John

[dboutwell]

Dear upset child of God,

Can you provide us with one scripture where anyone was converted by being threatened with burning in hell forever?

You mentioned that we are perverts only out for our own end. If we were out for our own selfish outcome, we woudn't care if people are tormented by the fear of burning in hell or by having family members burn in Hell forever. We would be just as apathetic as many pew warmers are.

My personal opinion is that even though traditional believers say they believe in Hell, I don't think they do....the actions show differently.
How many people have you tried to keep out of Hell, today?

God's best to you  :HeartThrob:

Debbie
http://scaredofhell.com/

[arcticmonster2003]

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[SeekerSA]

You guys are so far off beat.

You don't know god and will never see heaven (unless you repent).

No, we do not know god (small "g").  We know GOD.  Do you know what heaven is?  Sounds like you have only fire insurance and probably see heaven as this pretty place in the clouds for an escape.

You are peverting(sic) the truth of God for your own ends I pray that you will be brought to justice before you lead others the same way.

Pray tell what are our "ends"?  If we pervert the truth, then come teach us the truth.  Brought to justice, your's or Gods?  We invite you to present your truth, we will show you via the Word of God how wrong your theology is.

You are false prophets, liars and thieves and hell bound for all eternity.

Thank you for the compliments and your curse.  WWJD?  So much "love" in this sentence.  :dontknow:

You are God haters, perverts who love your own ends I don't think You have any intention of repenting so that's why I pray you'll be stopped.

God hater eh?  I wonder how we hate God when we acknowledge that He is able and will save all mankind.  Again, what are our "own ends?"  So much condemnation  :sigh:

I pray that God will do whatever it takes to stop you dammed(sic) liars from peverting(sic) God's Holy Word.

No we do not pervert God's word, we state it for what it is, the truth without the false Greco/Roman perversion you have obviously become accustomed to.  Why do you think the world rejects the "good news" you share?  I'll tell you, it is not good news.  You obviously do not have the love of God in you or else you would have taken the time to review much more than coming to such a biased conclusion.  They say truth hurts.  In your case, it appears the truth offends you.  The fact that all men can be saved takes away from you the apparent "control/choice" you think you had in your salvation.

Rom 5:5  And hope does not make us ashamed, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit given to us.

1Co 12:3  Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says Jesus is a curse, and that no one can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

You speak of things you know nothing about, because you know about God but don't know God

Please come and teach us about the God you know.  I think you will be surprised by how much we actually do know about God.  You will discover just how much you do not know about God.  What you hold to is what men have taught you, we hold to that which God has taught us.  We do not claim to be better than others as we defer all honour and glory to Him that deserves it, the Father.  None of us claim to have all the answers, if you do you must be special but I doubt it, as God is no respecter of persons.

My words are stern but is deserving of your attack and accusations.  In the same way you meet out judgement it will be met out to unto you, Jesus said that.  Come share your views here respectfully, if you have a valid teaching it will be accepted, if not it will be refuted.

Mat 6:22  The light of the body is the eye. Therefore if your eye is sound, your whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23  But if your eye is evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!


Blessings

[hopeful]

 :Gcry: 
I think this letter is a good example of a person becoming
just like the image of the false god that they serve.

May the true God bless them with a soft and loving heart,
clear eyes and rivers of Living Water.   :HeartThrob:

[CHB]

Here's is another email I received today. I referred him to this page so he can read your responses (GA):

You guys are so far off beat. You don't know god and will never see heaven (unless you repent). You are peverting the truth of God for your own ends I pray that you will be brought to justice before you lead others the same way. you are false prophets, liars and thieves and hell bound for all eternity. You are God haters, perverts who love your own ends I don't think You have any intention of repenting so that's why I pray you'll be stopped. I pray that God will do whatever it takes to stop you dammed liars from peverting God's Holy Word. You speak of things you know nothing about, because you know about God but don't know God,

Amen

I will pray for you, that God will open your mind to understand and know Him.

CHB

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Father, I thank You for an earthquake to come forth in this man's life, that the prison doors might be broken open. Amen and amen......

[Sazzy]

This just reiterates what the Hellfire Doctrine does to people. It doesn't leave a whole lot of room for Love, which is the entire point of our being.

I pray that God will lift the veil from your eyes and show you what His Love is truly all about.

All I can say is that I understand, because I've been in your shoes before.

Sarah

[fullarmor2]

   First I'd like to say that I understand your perspective.  You think that we are going against what you think the scriptures have to say regarding the topic of God's justice or punishment.   But I wonder if you even took time to understand where you and we do not agree.  I think if you do that it will change your very negative tone.  So why don't you do some research so you can be more understanding.  Remember, many of us have been where you are so we understand your perspective. We need you to be understanding of our perspective on this wonderful topic! Regardless of what you decide, I would like to say a prayer for you. 
       Heavenly Father, in the name of the Lord Jesus I pray for my brother. Help him to not be offended but rather to remember your teachings regarding love and your desire for us to be in unity.  Amen.

[Reverend G]

Pray for this man.  It seems he feels bound by a need to live according to the laws of denomination, rather than desiring to live as Christ would have him do. His animosity towards those who live freely and happily in Christ, with no worry of eternal torment are clear.  I see no reason for his anger, or is it jealousy, that we believe all will be welcome at the feast that he sees as "members only".  Perhaps he is now wrestling between the concepts of torment and UR.  May he find the peace that we share.

[SeekerSA]

Let us examine this, Mr. Edwards inspired me.

In my closing statement ladies and gentlemen I submit the following:

You guys are so far off beat.

I am right you are wrong mindset, I cannot relate to what you are saying therefore you are wrong. Presupposition error.

Looked up some words, only one text with wrong that applies universally.

Col 3:25  But he who does wrong shall receive justice for the wrong which he did, and there is no respect of persons.

You don't know god and will never see heaven (unless you repent).

Still on the topic of I am right.  Now because he cannot agree with us, it is assumed we do not know God.  Secondly, he assumes heaven is something to be aspired to and only the folk that think like him are going there.  Heaven is the strawman. (strawman 1)

You are peverting the truth of God for your own ends I pray that you will be brought to justice before you lead others the same way.

Truth is not defined yet we are perverting it, secondly we do this for our own ends (strawman 2) It assumes we have an agenda.  And because we do this to meet an unknown agenda, we must be brought to justice for a crime not yet defined.  Thirdly he assumes that we have the ability to lead folks astray yet astray from what is not defined. (strawman 3)

You are false prophets, liars and thieves and hell bound for all eternity.

Because of all strawmen thus far, the conclusion is we are prophets, a prophet hears from the Lord and speaks the oracles of God, hence being false prophets we hear not from the Lord but the other guy. (strawman 4) We are also liars and thus we tell lies yet we do not know what the lie is and what the opposite is, (strawman 5)  We are thieves, meaning we steal and again we do not know what we have stolen or what we steal (strawman 6)

Based on 6 strawmen, we are thus destined to go to hell, something we do not believe in in the first place.

You are God haters, perverts who love your own ends

Following on from the strawman tactics, we are now God haters, capital this time, but we have no definition of who God is but have an idea he may be referring to God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, at best that is only an assumption. So the undefined God we hate (strawman 7).  Because we hate the undefined God, we are thus perverts (strawman 8) we love thus our own undefined ends (strawman 9) we have to use our imagination I think.

I don't think You have any intention of repenting so that's why I pray you'll be stopped.

Aah now the 8 strawmen are grassy-erectus for the first time we see our accuser thinks however his choice of words suggests he does not think and refers, I guess to us corporately as You, thus hitting his shift key by mistake or elevating us to a level of importance.  He goes onto say we have no intention of repenting yet to now he has not even defined our crime (strawman 10)  He then states that is why he prays we will be stopped, yet what we must stop is undefined.

I pray that God will do whatever it takes to stop you dammed liars from peverting God's Holy Word.

Here we see for the first time what we may be guilty of and that he prays but I gather he means wishes that God will stop us from lying (what about we still don't know) but we are by inference already damned for it.  We now see that the aforesaid perversion relates to God's Holy Word, yet we do not know what God's Holy Word is in his mind.  One can infer he is doing something about his frustrations by praying but I guess it more wishful thinking than fervent prayer.

You speak of things you know nothing about, because you know about God but don't know God

Now we speak of things undefined (strawman 11) that we know nothing about and by this he is correct and we sure have no clue what he is talking about.  Based upon the undefined things that we agree we know nothing about, it is assumed that we know about the undefined God yet contradicts himself and tells us we do not know him.

Based upon this detailed synopsis of largely, creation of strawmen, and no real clue of what the fellow is trying to tell us, he is either:

1. A babbling idiot let loose on someones computer
2. A fundamental baptist aka Calvinist

Based also upon said synopsis, it is safe to assume, because he has no clue of what he is saying, battles to articulate the vernacular we are thus safe from his accusations.

I therefor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, submit that this case be dismissed and that the accuser be released on his own cognisance (punishment enough) and that you find us, the accused, not guilty of alleged undefined crimes and that he take his 11 grassy friends with him.

Thank you.

[Craig]

Just some correction to your conclusion SeekerSA.


1. A babbling idiot let loose on someones computer
2. A fundamental "Christian" aka Calvinist or Arminianist.

[jabcat]

Why don't you tell us more about yourself, your beliefs and what they're based on?  Many of us here can probably relate.  God convicted me just today about being a respecter of persons.  God will reveal His truths to you, either in this lifetime, or when you stand before Him at the Great White Throne.  In the meantime, remember a few basic concepts;  1)love your neighbor as yourself 2) don't judge, because with what manner you judge will you also be judged 3) Jesus is the Savior, and our righteousness is as filthy rags.  God's blessing, James.

[Pierac]

You guys are so far off beat. You don't know god and will never see heaven (unless you repent). You are peverting the truth of God for your own ends I pray that you will be brought to justice before you lead others the same way. you are false prophets, liars and thieves and hell bound for all eternity. You are God haters, perverts who love your own ends I don't think You have any intention of repenting so that's why I pray you'll be stopped. I pray that God will do whatever it takes to stop you dammed liars from peverting God's Holy Word. You speak of things you know nothing about, because you know about God but don't know God,

Amen

Like John posted in post # 3

I believe and confess with my mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord!  I believe Christ died on the cross for the forgiveness of sin. I have been born again and baptised (Underwater too) :laughing7:

I believe Him when he said:
John 14:15  "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

I believe Him when He said:
Rev 2:26  'He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS;

I believe Him when He said:
Rev 3:21  'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

I believe Him when He said:
He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death" (Rev. 2:11).

I believe Him when He said:
"Not every one that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of My Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 7:21).
Are you doing the Fathers will?

Mat 5:44  "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

1Jo 4:18  There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

I have a question for you, are you fearful of hell?

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Gal 5:22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Mat 7:19  "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

We must overcome and obey to be in the first resurrection, are you overcoming and obeying?

So what happens to the rest? Even those in history who have never heard his name? Is the Gospel Good News to them?  

1John 2:2  and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

1John 4:14  We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
You can not be the savior of the world unless you actually save the world!

Rom 11:32  For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

1Co 15:22  For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

1Co 3:15  If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.  Yes, even in the Lake of Fire!

Just ask Paul...
1Co 5:5  I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Yes, a non-repentant sinner

You have much research to do my friend, and we are all willing to answer your questions.    :HeartThrob:
Try to show a little fruit if you do and thank you for your concern too!  I have the same question as John(Kratos), as followers of Christ, what do you think we need to repent from?
BTW, the Apostle Paul never uttered the word "Hell" and yet he tells us that he:  Act 20:27  For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. Should he have repented or is he in your Hell too?

Paul

[whyiloveitaly.com]

Attacking is not Christ-like. When one attacks us, is it not better to suffer it? He is one of God's children as well, and will experience God's love in time.

Bri

[Dante]

(Lets dissect this, shall we.)

You guys are so far off beat (Not very specific! Off beat on what? What passages do you have to back up your claims that we are wrong and you are right?).

You don't know god and will never see heaven (unless you repent) (Again, if you are going to make that kind of assertion, you should quote chapter and verse, while using the original language back up your claim) .

You are peverting the truth of God for your own ends I pray that you will be brought to justice before you lead others the same way (Let's focus on one part of this sentence. What are "Our own ends?" The fact that we believe that we see God as a Savior of the WHOLE WORLD?? Is this some kind of Evil intent on our part? Yes,....I guess I can see his point. It must be EVIL to want everyone to be with God for all of time and be in Love with our Creator Father).


you are false prophets, liars and thieves and hell bound for all eternity (NO ONE can be Hell bound, since the word "HELL" was never spoken by Jesus or any of the Apostles. So you must mean we are all "Hell bound" by your false PAGAN Greco/Roman religion. Ok,.....I accept that, by your Pagan belief, that that is what will happen to those who do not agree with you. But for me,...I will stick with Christ for my hope for Salvation)


You are God haters (To state that God will be PERFECTLY MERCIFUL, is being a "God Hater"? Wow, that is the oddest thing I think I have ever heard of!)........., perverts who love your own ends I don't think You have any intention of repenting so that's why I pray you'll be stopped ("Stopped", From what?? Having an educated opinion about the word of God?).

I pray that God will do whatever it takes to stop you dammed liars (I think God is more than capable of stopping us ALL from doing anything if he wants to. Yet we are still here.) from peverting God's Holy Word (Do you notice how much this guy likes to use the word "Perverts" and "Perverted"?). You speak of things you know nothing about (I guess this guy does.), because you know about God but don't know God (Think about his statement here. It is as if he is saying: "You know about Tom Brady of the N.E. Patriots, but you do not know Tom Brady". So he is insinuating that he has had a "Face to Face" with the almighty??),

This letter is a blessing in disguise. I doubt that he attacks Satan Worshipers with such zeal! And as someone has already mentioned, he sites no chapter or verse from anywhere in the Word of God, to challenge our beliefs. Satan works his works on a daily basis and loves to attack the brothers and sisters. So I suggest that we always keep each other informed and strengthen each other daily.

I feel bad for this guy. He is obviously in lots of pain. I don't know for sure what his deal is, but my first impression of him is that he lives in fear and misery. I think we should all pray for him specifically (As plenty of you already have).
What a great group of people you are by the way.
God Bless you all for being so kind and thoughtful of your fellow man.



Your brother in Christ.

Dante   :boyheart:

[jenna]

God Bless everyone here. Even this person. "Judge not lest you be judged".

[Craig]

God Bless everyone here. Even this person. "Judge not lest you be judged".

That saying is only meant towards hypocrits. Those who judge others of the things they do themselves. It is rather difficult understanding to people to realize judgment has never been evil, only those with evil intentions and partiality have evil judgment.

There is also a difference between judgment and condemnation. There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, therefore any judgment made will not lead to condemnation but life. That is why Paul says, is there not one of you mature who can judge matters between yourselves? Do you not know we will judged the angels (the messengers of God)?

If you have already taken the plank out of your own eye, you are priveldged in helping your neighbor remove the speck from theirs. Jesus did not give a threat, that was advice which leads to righteous judgment and edification.

[jenna]

That saying is only meant for hypocrites. Agreed. This man, IMO, sounds like one to me. He confesses to be a Christian, yet he seems to want to condemn others who disagree with his beliefs. How Christian is that? I have many planks in my eyes, but I don't go around calling others "unchristian" who hold different views. :dontknow:

[whyiloveitaly.com]

How can we look to Jesus when we are looking at each other????

Bri