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Apologetics - Universal Reconciliation => Arguments Against Universal Salvation => Topic started by: Universalist Catholic on April 18, 2010, 06:35:19 AM

Title: "Saints" have claimed that most of Humanity based on much time in prayer
Post by: Universalist Catholic on April 18, 2010, 06:35:19 AM
Okay, Im wondering, why would someone who spends so much time in prayer be drawn to the conclusion that only a few would be saved.  I am very sure God would not lie to them.  But one must wonder how spending this much time in prayer would lead people to this conclusion.  Im assuming that they reached this conclusion from the "Broad and the Narrow Path" from the Gospel of Matthew. 

Someone of a traditionalist Catholic Church drew this conclusion by reasoning of this sermon by St. Leonard of Port Maurice.  The reason he supposedly gained this info was through spending time in prayer.

http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/fewness.shtml

Title: Re: "Saints" have claimed that most of Humanity based on much time in prayer
Post by: Paul Hazelwood on April 18, 2010, 07:05:27 AM

Simple, the more exclusive a belief is, the more special a person can feel.   It is actually evidence for a carnal conclusion.  I mean sure God loves everyone, but oh how special someone is that they are one of the few that will make it.

Title: Re: "Saints" have claimed that most of Humanity based on much time in prayer
Post by: Universalist Catholic on April 18, 2010, 07:18:35 AM
Hell seems based a lot on a desire to be above everyone else as one of the chosen.  I know I still have tendencies to be on top, but I could never be a hellwisher.
Title: Re: "Saints" have claimed that most of Humanity based on much time in prayer
Post by: WhiteWings on April 18, 2010, 10:13:52 AM
Quote from: Universalist Catholic on April 18, 2010, 06:35:19 AMOkay, Im wondering, why would someone who spends so much time in prayer be drawn to the conclusion that only a few would be saved.
Because almost all people are biased. They are not open for new things. They read everything through 'a model'.
A Calvinist that does some home study after a fire and brimstone sermon will understand everything as hell and damnation.

QuoteSomeone of a traditionalist Catholic Church drew this conclusion by reasoning of this sermon by St. Leonard of Port Maurice.  The reason he supposedly gained this info was through spending time in prayer.
The "St." title does mean only one thing: Leonard was good at giving sermons on an already established belief system. 1st came RCC then the sermon. Not the other way around. If he would have preached a different view he would have been heretic Leonard that got executed by church.