I have only one problem with what you are saying. Why would God have created a perfect bible in its original form, and then allowed the vast majority of its translators to poison it as you say? Why would He allow the great majority of faithful preachers to teach something that is totally untrue?
Gary’s Answer: The answer is in the Bible. God gave the Law, the covenant, the promises, the miracles, etc etc to Israel. They had it for 1600 years AND it told when and how the Messiah would come. He would do great miracles. And the majority of the religious leaders and the people missed it just like today. Why? Traditions of men which make the word of God of no effect and the “lying pen of the scribes.”
I watched the podcast on “Toxic bibles. I have a comment and a question. My question: You have recognized Jesus as your Savior… Savior implies that we are being saved from something. If there is no hell, then what are we being saved from?
Comment: I have watched a dvd by Dr.Rawlings called “To Hell and back” There were people interviewed on this dvd that seemed very normal and very sincere. They gave an in depth account of there actual encounter in hell and calling upon the name of Jesus to get them out.
Briefly, the consequences of Adam’s fall is clearly DEATH, not eternally being alive in torture. The wages of sin is DEATH. The Old Testament tells us EVERYONE goes to the grave, to sheol, the good, bad and ugly. There was no division. Tradition added that. The Bible tells us the death are asleep, they cannot praise God, they know nothing. Jesus came to deliver all mankind out of this state of death. Furthermore, He came to deliver those alive on earth out of death. “Let the dead bury their own dead.” He came to give life to a world of death. He came to ransom all that were lost. He came to reconcile all back to God the Father. He accomplished this. If eternal torment is the consequence for Adam’s fall, then Jesus had to be eternally tortured for each human being is in fact he “died for us” and took upon himself the consequences for our sins. But He is NOT being tormented today, proof that eternal torment is a false teaching.
Regarding those who claim to have been to Hell and Back, I guess hell isn’t eternal after all, they came back. They say we only have one chance to escape Hell and it’s here on earth. But these folks went to Hell and escaped. The Bible says Jesus went to Hell and preached and “led captivity captive.” I can go on and on. However, I wrote a lengthy article “To Hell and Back” dealing with the many videos and books from people who claim they went to hell and came back. If you email me I’ll send you a copy. It’s not on line yet because I’m not quite finished with it yet. Peace, Gary
Gary, which Bible would you recommend, Young’s or Concordant. I would very much appreciate any information regarding these two versions. I was looking at the Concordant and like that it has a concordance, as well as a commentary to be bought seperately. Thanks for your feedback. God bless.
Gary was wanting to know which Bible you think might be the best between the Concordant version and Young’s. I have very much enjoyed this website and learned a great deal of truth as well. God bless.
Also Gary do you think you might can send me a copy of the NDE study. This has always been a topic that has intrigued me as well. Gets a little confusing as some have indeed come back with hellish experiences. God bless.
Thanks a lot for the info. I must say, these translations will not rob me of the Love of CHRIST. I agree with Paul in that nothing will be able to separate me from the Love of CHRIST. If I were to believe everything said in these “Toxic Bibles”, does that truly void my relationship with JESUS? If I have misconceptions about GOD, is He not able to overlook them, and have fellowship with me anyways?
I am extremely grateful for the education, but it seems like you believe that you have “Christianity” all figured out, and anyone who sees things differently is wrong.
I have read the NIV, and The Message since I came to know YESHUA, and they have not kept me from knowing Him. In fact, they have helped me immensely. Of course, they definitely are flawed, but the greatness of GOD overpowers the corruption of man.
Thanks for your comments Jordan, I just believe translations that mistranslate hades, gehenna, tartarus, sheol, aion, aionios, olam and a few other words like that which introduce a Hell of everlasting punishment into the text grossly violated God’s nature and plan of redemption. It’s time to put pressure on the publishers to remove these errors in ALL translations.
Awesome. This has changed my life. Thank you.
Gary,
I have only one problem with what you are saying. Why would God have created a perfect bible in its original form, and then allowed the vast majority of its translators to poison it as you say? Why would He allow the great majority of faithful preachers to teach something that is totally untrue?
Gary’s Answer: The answer is in the Bible. God gave the Law, the covenant, the promises, the miracles, etc etc to Israel. They had it for 1600 years AND it told when and how the Messiah would come. He would do great miracles. And the majority of the religious leaders and the people missed it just like today. Why? Traditions of men which make the word of God of no effect and the “lying pen of the scribes.”
Hi Gary,
I watched the podcast on “Toxic bibles. I have a comment and a question. My question: You have recognized Jesus as your Savior… Savior implies that we are being saved from something. If there is no hell, then what are we being saved from?
Comment: I have watched a dvd by Dr.Rawlings called “To Hell and back” There were people interviewed on this dvd that seemed very normal and very sincere. They gave an in depth account of there actual encounter in hell and calling upon the name of Jesus to get them out.
I would greatly appreciate your reply,
Blessings,
Scott
Gary’s Reply: Good questions. For thorough answers, please go to our FAQ section at: http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/index.html
Briefly, the consequences of Adam’s fall is clearly DEATH, not eternally being alive in torture. The wages of sin is DEATH. The Old Testament tells us EVERYONE goes to the grave, to sheol, the good, bad and ugly. There was no division. Tradition added that. The Bible tells us the death are asleep, they cannot praise God, they know nothing. Jesus came to deliver all mankind out of this state of death. Furthermore, He came to deliver those alive on earth out of death. “Let the dead bury their own dead.” He came to give life to a world of death. He came to ransom all that were lost. He came to reconcile all back to God the Father. He accomplished this. If eternal torment is the consequence for Adam’s fall, then Jesus had to be eternally tortured for each human being is in fact he “died for us” and took upon himself the consequences for our sins. But He is NOT being tormented today, proof that eternal torment is a false teaching.
Regarding those who claim to have been to Hell and Back, I guess hell isn’t eternal after all, they came back.
They say we only have one chance to escape Hell and it’s here on earth. But these folks went to Hell and escaped. The Bible says Jesus went to Hell and preached and “led captivity captive.” I can go on and on. However, I wrote a lengthy article “To Hell and Back” dealing with the many videos and books from people who claim they went to hell and came back. If you email me I’ll send you a copy. It’s not on line yet because I’m not quite finished with it yet. Peace, Gary
Thank you Gary ….. I want to ask you a for more questions in the future if that is o.k. with you.
Thanks
Scott
Gary, which Bible would you recommend, Young’s or Concordant. I would very much appreciate any information regarding these two versions. I was looking at the Concordant and like that it has a concordance, as well as a commentary to be bought seperately. Thanks for your feedback. God bless.
Gary was wanting to know which Bible you think might be the best between the Concordant version and Young’s. I have very much enjoyed this website and learned a great deal of truth as well. God bless.
Also Gary do you think you might can send me a copy of the NDE study. This has always been a topic that has intrigued me as well. Gets a little confusing as some have indeed come back with hellish experiences. God bless.
Thank you so much for this. I wish more of us had the courage to break away from dogma and seek truth. Your ministry is a tremendous blessing to me.
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Thanks a lot for the info. I must say, these translations will not rob me of the Love of CHRIST. I agree with Paul in that nothing will be able to separate me from the Love of CHRIST. If I were to believe everything said in these “Toxic Bibles”, does that truly void my relationship with JESUS? If I have misconceptions about GOD, is He not able to overlook them, and have fellowship with me anyways?
I am extremely grateful for the education, but it seems like you believe that you have “Christianity” all figured out, and anyone who sees things differently is wrong.
I have read the NIV, and The Message since I came to know YESHUA, and they have not kept me from knowing Him. In fact, they have helped me immensely. Of course, they definitely are flawed, but the greatness of GOD overpowers the corruption of man.
Thanks for your comments Jordan, I just believe translations that mistranslate hades, gehenna, tartarus, sheol, aion, aionios, olam and a few other words like that which introduce a Hell of everlasting punishment into the text grossly violated God’s nature and plan of redemption. It’s time to put pressure on the publishers to remove these errors in ALL translations.