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AMEN BRO! SPOT ON!
Please tell me what then does the Bible mean in Revelation when it talks about the second death and also when in the New Testament it talks about the wrath of God being on the sons of disobedience. I have been challenged so much of late in what I thought was truth. Now I come across the tentmaker site and I am confronted wih even more differences on Scripture interpretation. I am not even sure how to share the gospel anymore…I’ll just bring Jesus to them! I can’t even talk about it really with other believers I know, including my husband….it’s getting lonely! I am not sure what to believe any more. I thought I could trust the Bible, but everyone has something to say that is opposite the other person. It also seems everyone is sure they have a handle on the truth.
Thanks for your insights here! Can you please send me some more of the passages that you say “back up” this doctine… I am very interested in hearing more of your thoughts on the subject.
In Him,
Josh
Gary:
Here’s a list:
http://www.tentmaker.org/lists/ReconciliationScriptures.html
the word especially when added to the sentance gives a double meaning, to that not all are saved in this life,all do and will go back to God in the next. the word believe when added makes the difference,believers lay hands on the sick for recovery Mark 16:16-18 cast out deamons,[sometimes those demons are within ourselfs]Eph.5:11 To the word believe Romans 10:9 confess with mouth and believe in one`s heart.[hint your confession has nothing to do with words that come out of your mouth,confession is how you conduct your life.] people will do what they believe not always what they say.enough of my soap box GOD Bless..
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/all-saved.htm
“From the article ‘God might save the world?’”
Another line of approach by those that desire to bring the Savior of the world down says that these were Samaritans who said this. Just because THEY called him the savior of the world doesn’t mean that Jesus actually is. Gee, here Jesus, through given them His very own words, convinces them that He is the Savior of the world—Jesus doesn’t correct them for saying so—and Christians who desire to preserve their tradition of Hell or Annihilation want to dismiss the words of these sinners as not being true. Isn’t it amazing how low people will stoop to degrade our Savior just so they can hang unto those traditions which make the word of God of no effect?
“And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.” (1 John 4:14)
In the very passage where John, the apostle whom Jesus loves, whose very ear rested on Jesus’ heart at the Last Supper, we find another plain “Savior of the world” passage. There are many like myself and many others who have also seen in the Scriptures and in the Spirit that the Father sent the Son “to be Savior of the world,” not just a sliver of it. We testify to this glorious fact. And Satan has deceived and recruited others to cause the world to doubt this truth. For without faith, it is impossible to please God. If Satan can cause people to doubt this glorious truth, then those in doubt can’t see it. All things from God come through faith. Those who will stand up to Satan’s army, in which there are millions of Christians who believe in the name of Jesus, will find themselves in a great battle.
“This is a FAITHFUL saying and worthy of ALL ACCEPTANCE. For therefore we both labour and SUFFER REPROACH, because we trust in the Living God, who is the SAVIOR OF ALL MEN, specially of those who believe. These things COMMAND and TEACH.” (1 Tim. 4:9-11)
Here is where the real persecution of a Christian comes—for believing in the Savior of all men. This is a faithful saying and worthy of being accepted by ALL, but Satan does everything he can to put a little bit of doubt into even this glorious Scripture. Even with such a plain and clear scripture as this, those blinded by Satan’s doubt creating abilities have been seduced to diminishing God’s saving power. They say this Scripture says that God is only the savior of them that believe because of the word “specially.” They say God is NOT the savior of all men, but just those that believe. They say the word “specially” excludes all the world except believers.
Let’s take a look at a couple of examples in other Scriptures to see how God uses that word “specially.” In the Greek, it is the word “malista.”
“For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, SPECIALLY they of the circumcision.” (Titus 1:5)
The word “specially” is the very same word in 1 Tim. 4:9-11. Are we to believe Paul was only calling them of the circumcision unruly and vain talkers or was he singling them out as particularly unruly and vain? The answer is really quite obvious, isn’t it, that is, for those interested in the truth and not trying to twist the scripture to conform to their tradition.
“Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord.” (Phil. 1:16)
Again, the Greek word behind the English word “specially” is malista. Is this brother only a brother to Paul because of the word specially or is he a brother to the other person as well but ESPECIALLY to Paul? Obviously, he was a brother to both. And that is how the word malista should be used in 1 Tim. 4:9-11. It has been translated in the King James Version specially 5 times, especially 4 times, chiefly 2 times and once as chiefly, most of all, and above all.
In Galatians chapter 6, verse 10 we have the following sentence:
Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith. (NKJV)
Again, it is the exact Greek word (malista) used in 1 Timothy 4:9-11. Is Paul saying that we are only to do good to the “household of faith” or is he saying we are to do good to “all,” but especially the “household of faith?” Obviously, we are to do good to both groups. In like manner, Jesus is, in fact, Savior of all mankind and Savior of those who know they are saved. He is the Savior of both groups. The Greek word in both passages is the same Greek word, malista, which means “most of all.” So then, we are to do good to all, most of all to the household of faith, and Jesus is the Savior of all, most of all to those who already have an earnest of the promise within them, that is, the Holy Spirit.
The Devil has no real power except to twist the truth. And his twisting seems to have no end. Of course all this twisting is done in the minds of men. Satan has no other means to express himself on the earth expect in the dust he is cursed to swallow. The “carnal mind,” the earthy lower fleshy mind is where Satan does all of his twisting. It is human beings who become the instruments of his will here on earth and Christians who choose to sow into the flesh instead of the spirit become the candidates for Satan’s expressions of doubt in the earth.
His ability to manipulate words and to inject false traditions and false interpretations of words in the Bible seem to have no end. At this point, earthly-minded Christians who have been seduced by the twisted, manipulative tactics of the evil one, will begin to try to interpret “all men” or “all mankind,” etc., (depending upon the translation) as meaning “all sorts of men” such as some Europeans, some Americans, some Africans, etc. In other words, He will save some out of all mankind, but He won’t save “all of mankind.” Now they realize that is not what the passage plainly says, but they feel they believe that is what the passage means. None of the leading Bibles translate the phrase that way. The Jehovah’s Witness’s Bible translates it “all sorts of men.” So those who want to “interpret” this passage that way find themselves in agreement with a group notorious for putting their own interpretations right in the Word of God.
The phrase in question here is the Greek “ta panta.” The Expositor’s Greek Testament on page 504 in Volume 3 renders it “The universe in its widest sense regarded as a collective whole.” Professor John Eadie, professor of Biblical Literature in the United Presbyterian Divinity Hall renders it, “The universe, the whole that exists, all things, whether they be things on earth, or in heaven.” (Taken from Commentary of the Epistle of Paul to the Colossians, page 52, 73) Dr. J.B Lightfoot D.D., D.C.L., L.L.D. speaking of the phrase “ta panta” says, “The whole universe or things, material as well as spiritual, shall be restored to harmony to God.” (St. Paul’s Epistles to the Colossians and Philemon, page 160) “‘Ta panta’ is the existing all, the totality of things [The universe, Alford-R], panta would be all that actually is (Winer’s Grammar p.105)” This was found in Lange’s Commentary Volume II under Epistle of Paul to the Colossians, by Karl Braune D.D..
Using my computer to try to find how “all sorts of” would appear in the Greek, I found nothing phrased that way. The closest I could come was “kinds of” in 1 Corinthians Chapter 14. The word for “kinds” was “geno,” not “panta.” In short, this Scripture very plainly states that Jesus is the Savior of All, both in the English and in the Greek. One has to add their own doctrines or interpretations in order to make it say something different. The Jehovah’s Witnesses tampered with the Bible text itself, and those who interpret “all men, ta panta” as “all sorts of men” are doing exactly the same thing.
We have seen in this article several meanings of the English word “might.” How we use that word can be critical to our understanding of who God really is. The word may imply doubt, the word may be used “to express contingency, purpose, or result clauses introduced by that or so that.” Or the word may be used to express power and strength. “He pushed against the rock with all his MIGHT.” We find this use of the word as an adjective used to express the powerfulness of our God, “aMIGHTy God.”
Satan will do whatever He can to malign the Almighty God so that we humans will be satisfied with a lower expression of who God really is. Satan wants to bring us into idolatry. I believe Satan has succeeded in this beyond what we can imagine. Think. How many loving parents do you know who would endlessly torture any of their children because the children did not obey or love their parents? How many loving parents do you know who would annihilate their children because they did not do what they were told? I don’t know of too many parents who would do such a thing. I don’t know of ANY loving parents who would do such a thing. God is LOVE! That’s His nature. And yet, according to the traditional view of God, this “loving” Father has created a lake of fire into which He will personally throw billions upon billions of human beings. There are countless denominations that have invented thousands of different rules and regulations that determine whether a person will be thrown into this lake by God. It is an utter mass of confusion. And we know who the “author of confusion” is, don’t we?
What is it about us that causes us to think the worst about our heavenly Father instead of the best? Do the Scriptures not declare that the mind of man cannot conceive of all the goodness of the Lord? Yet look at what we have reduced Him down to…worse than the worst of human beings. Satan has done this through using human beings (often Christians) to twist the words of the Bible; to bring God down to some kind of image perhaps some people might fear, but could never really love unconditionally. This God’s love is clearly VERY conditional, yet He demands we love Him unconditionally. This God tells us to love our enemies while He endlessly tortures His. This is what a hypocrite does. Satan, using traditional Christianity, has made us believe that our God is a hypocrite who tells us to do something that He is not willing to do Himself…love His enemies. The first commandment requires us to love God with all our MIGHT. Friends—we may pretend to love such a fiend—we may express outward signs that we love such a fiend as portrayed by orthodoxy, but our hearts could never truly love such a monster. We have been drugged, seduced, deceived by the great deceiver.
whew a lot to read,probably turns a lot of people off. i don`t dispute your beliefe on the lake of fire.[my beliefe is judgement matt 3:11] i know most people use revelation 21:8 [i believe that the Holy Spirit will judge you of sin not a literal lake of fire this is salvation in this life the next life i cannot do anything about, if there is a next life? all i know is everyone goes back to God.my part is walk and talk and listen daily to God,for the most part it has become mostly listening as i get older, as far as a loving father [earthly] that treats his children poorly i can show you everyone who is a father sometimes don`t do right! but our heavenly dad cannot`t make that mistake. amem
i asked my dad [heavenly-God-Holy Spirit-my Lord i prefer to use dad or daddy] [not earthly dad] what is it like to live forever? i was driving down interstate at about 70 mph. within a second a possum ran across the road it was very late at night and it happen so quick i could not do anything. bam you guessed it, dead possum.then my dad spoke where is that possum? i replied his body will decay and there is no live left in him. but he will always be in your memory dad replied.we all live forever in those we leave behind [forever does have an end]revelation 1:11 it ends when we end,we each have a time, our forever. our heaven the presence of dad [God] living in us.ooooo to hear dad`s voice
Thanks for the information. It gives me something to think about.
Amen! One of the most catatrophic word translations is that of the NLT bible that translates ALL to BELIEVERS!
When there is acceptance there is no need for addiction!
how come no-one speaks on the resurrection and what it means? although i do get a lot of frowns on my take.Romans 8:10-11 phillipians 3:10-14 ephesians1:18-21 ephesians 2:5-6 just a few verses, to me the resurrection is that from sin [ not a literal death] hence to be with God is God in you.
how does hell look like
can i see the hell in my computer or give the wibsite of watching hell video
WONDERFUL WONDERFUL
WONDERFUL OH HOW WONDERFUL IT IS TO KNOW THE TRUTH THAT SETS PEOPLE-’ALL’ PEOPLE FREE!
THANK YOU BRO. Amirault; AND bro. Major for reiterating THIS BUT ONE LITTLE PIECE OF THE “GREAT GOOD NEWS,” THAT THE liar HAS KEPT SO MANY IN THE TORMEENT AND CHAINS OF RELIGION AND TRADITIONS F MEN AND THEIR “HELL-MAKER,” SCHIZO-gOD!
IN LOVE (I ALWAYS CAPITALISE THE WORD, ‘LOVE,’ BECAUSE I USE LOVE INSTEAD OF, ‘GOD,’ MANY TIMES-I JOHN 4:8.)SINCERELY, DAVID PATRICK
I’m not sure what you are saying.
when i hear people speak of the life after one`s physical death, it is said they go to God. i cannot find that in scripture.I do understand all souls belong to God, and the Spirit belong to God and the body goes to the earth. To me when the resurrection is spoken of it is actually spiritual, and that happens when a person is actualy alive,[born again][babtised in the Holy Spirit] eg. dead in sin, alive in Christ [praise God]…….but it seems to me that people speak of heaven as a place to where one goes after a physical death because of a persons works [eg. confession of Jesus Christ] being good in this life. if that was the case then judas would be right beside Christ because he was a fulfilment of scripture acts 1:16-20 psalm 69:25 psalm 109:8 but yet judas is pictured as evil…if God lives in heaven and God lives in you then you must already be in heaven, or simply put heaven in you matthew 6:20-21
So where does a person go when they die. Unbeliever or believer?
I just stumbled upon this site while doing my own research on biblical prophecies. I landed on ’12 common mistakes on people understanding of biblical end time prophecies’ and later gone through few more articles. I can’t believe what I read.
Finally found a site dedicated to express the love of God and Jesus without the traditional dogmatic view of ‘the Word’. I WAS a Christian for 35 yrs but I could no longer withstand the ignorant of the Christian community. Neither can I identify with the ‘freely willy’ new age movement. I was spiritually suffocated until I left church completely. I tell my Christian friends that I walked out of church and walked into Christ. I now truly experience inner peace like a river, just as Jesus said.
You are doing what I wanted to do for a while, to tell “Christian brotherhood, save yourself from yourself.” Gary, I am going to spend some time go through your site. I might participate more in the future.
i personally have not found in the scriptures if there is an after life.. or eg. where a person goes when they die. to me this life is all there is. i`m not saying a person can do anything they want to, and be happy. i`v found peace joy rightenous in the Holy Spirit. [mabe i should say it found me] Gary i have a lot of respect for what you stand for, you are so [figure os speech] hell bent on preaching Jesus is the saviour of all. i preach the Holy Spirit [ sometimes i think to the point that i don`t or can`t see anything else}
I certainly agree with you that the Holy Spirit is the key to living a fulfilled life here on earth. I do no want to diminish the role of the Holy Spirit in any way. But the name of Jesus is precious in the Father’s sight and the beginning of the quality of life here and beyond God the Fathe desires for us all. All in All goes a LONG way, since He has no beginning or ending of days.
i would like someone`s take on this Acts10:38 How God annointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing ALL that were oppresed of the devil: for God was with him. does that mean that NO one was sick, and why did Jesus send others out to do what he did? not trying to be a pain, just seeking answers.
If this is true, please send me some material that will explain John 3:16,& 18 in the Complete Jewish Bible. (Thank you!)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only and unique Son, so that everyone who trusts in him may have eternal life, instead of being utterly destroyed.
18 Those who trust in him are not judged; those who do NOT trust have been judged already, in that they have not trusted in the one who is God’s only unique Son.
Yes! Jesus is the saviour of all men. Praise the Lord. Heaven is an attitude not an altitude and separation from God or not knowing him is hell. Everyone will come to know him, in his order. We need to share the gospel (Good News) with everyone and tell them what God has done for us. Think of it this way. The stone will be rolled away in each and everyone one of us. Thank you Jesus.
I have a special gift in that Jesus speaks to me though writing. I pretty much test this gift with the scriptures. One day Jesus wrote to me and told me that His love never ends in death and that His blood atonement never ends in death. He told me that He will always forgive anyone who wants His love and forgiveness. AGain to day He told me the very samething that His love for people never ends in death. That nothing can separate us from His love. That the scriptures on Salvation is for the living and died. I have come to realize that those lost souls are just earth bound spirits who need help in finding Jesus love. I know the paranormal realm can be dangerious since demons also can pretend to be ghosts. For now I will just pray for the earth bound spirits to find Christ. I have a hard time believing that a loving God could throw anyone into an eternal hell. I am not ready to say that Hell isn’t real. But it would give me peace to know that it isn’t and that Jesus is really speaking to me. I know that God is unconditional love and God has shared with me that He is not a child abuser and never will be for any parent to punish a child with burning would mean that they a child abuser and I or anyone who is a good citzen would call children and youth on such a parent. I don’t believe God could ever abuse His off spring, His beloved children even if they don’t believe in Him. According to Christians there are going to be lots of people burning in Hell for not being Christians that means almost the whole world will burn in hell. I have some issues with this teaching and feel that God could not be a God of unconditional love if Hell is real. My kids have a cartoon on Zesu and Hercules and the god of the under world. I couldn’t help but see Christian doctrine play out in this cartoon. Hercules was half god and half man like Jesus. He was kicked out of Heaven or Mt.Olmpis (forgive me for mispell word) for drinking formula that turned him into mortal and was giving to mortal parents. I can see the Christian story here in that his parents were a type of Joseph and Mary. He later on meet a girl who would live with Hadas in the underworld ( a type of satan) and then for six months she lived on land. He was like her messiah in that he saved her from the god of the under world. I say all this to say that a Rabbi shared with me that Hell is a Pagan teaching that Christians have adopted. I would like to have someone explain to me in Revelations about the died being judged and those whose names are not written in the book of life will be thrown into the lake of fire. I know I am going to Heaven when I die but it bothers me to think that some of my love ones would burn in Hell. I know that Jesus does write though me and I want to make sure that this is the same Jesus writing to me when He says His love never ends in death that He will always forgive,anyone ( a spirit or ghost) who asked Him too and take them out of their state of torment and into Heaven. I have some friends who claimed that they have helped lost souls(ghost) cross over into the light (heaven) for sharing with them that God loves them and His love is unconditional love and that they do not have to be afraid to go to the light (God) because God is not going to threw them in Hell but take them into His love and light and let them come home.
Well there is plenty of evidence at http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html regarding the salvation of all mankind through Jesus Christ. But revelation directly from the heart of God gives the best security.