tr.v. dis·rupt·ed, dis·rupt·ing, dis·rupts
1. To throw into confusion or disorder: Protesters disrupted the candidate's speech.
2. To interrupt or impede the progress, movement, or procedure of: Our efforts in the garden were disrupted by an early frost.
3. To break or burst; rupture.
Conception can be seen as bursting forth of life.
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I actually thought about that too WW, but it is still a theological decision (along with your excellent chart) that requires an inconsistent interpretation of the word from Heb 11:11 to the other 10 verses. IMO translation should REDUCE the need for interpretation and be consistent in application. Personally, tho I am familiar with the interpretaions that result in the chart you hav posted, I disagree with that view and believe it is incorrect and asserts facts not in evidence based on a few verses that can reasonably be read another way- so I believe conception(whether that be out of the destruction of a previous "kosmos" or not) is the more appropriate word, because it can be consistently applied in EVERY USAGE.
To me it is clear that in ALL 11 CASES the aspect of thought being expressed is PRIMARILY "conception/creation/foundation" ...NOT PRIMARILY "disruption", because, in my opinion, the Lamb was "conceived" as a Son within the Father BEFORE ANY AGE EVER WAS (this is just my opinion but there is clear evidence in the Word to support it), so at least in 6 places(a majority) now you hav an intepretation (IMO)of the word katabole that does not support the expressed thought.
IMO translation ought to seek the clearest meaning of a word that can be consistently applied, not a meaning that "can be seen as" (in other words, must be interpreted).
In all the following verses "katabole" seem to go to BEFORE ANYTHING WAS CREATED, much less DISRUPTED
"Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation(katabole) of the world.
(Joh 17:24)
Surely, since "all things were created through him and he is before all things" (john 1, hebrews 1, colossians 1) Jesus was loved by the Father before kosmos one or kosmos two. The thought expressed does not seem to me to intersect AT ALL with the disruption paradigm.just as He chose us in Him before the foundation(katabole) of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
(Eph 1:4)
If we were chose IN HIM and He was 1)eternally existent or 2) the first conception within the Father- we were IN HIM before the supposed disruption at the CONCEPTION of ALL THINGS in the mind of God.For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation(katabole) of the world.
(Heb 4:3)
This verse could be interpreted as God finishing His works after said disruption. The only problem I have with that is it REQUIRES AN INTERPRETATION/TRANSLATION INCONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER USAGES. This is the very problem CLV proposes to transcend.
Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation(katabole) of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
(Heb 9:26)
The sacrifice Lamb's blood is on the altar for the reconciliation of all things IN ALL AGES FORWARD AND BACKWARD from His sacrifice(Colossians 1)- including BEFORE the disruption, if there was one.By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive(katabole), even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised.
(Heb 11:11)
This, imo, is the clearest example of course. If katabole means "conception" then what da ya kno! it fits IN EVERY USAGE WITHOUT THEOLOGICAL IMPLICATION.For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you
(1Pe 1:20)
Clearly Jesus was foreknown before ANYTHING/ANYONE ELSE angelic, primordial, ages before ages backwards forever.All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
(Rev 13:8)
Since we were "chosen IN HIM before the foundation of the world" our names were written in the Lambs book of life(whatever that represents) BEFORE any disruption or creation subsequent to HIS BEING"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.
(Rev 17:8)
Same as above
To me it seems that "disruption" is a forced translation based on a systematic theology held by the translators and does not accurately and objectively render the "expressed thought" of the writers. Even tho life can spring forth from disruption, the need then is a forced understanding(IMO corrupted) that is unnecessarily "bent around" someones point of view. Conception neither "enforces" that theological skew not does it "deny" that theological skew. It allows for an objective, totally consistent rendering down to the individual word that works in EVERY THOUGHT EXPRESSED using katabole in the scriptures.
My point is not just to prove or disprove anything about this particular word. It is to show that people of honest intention and supportable scholarship may disagree on certain things and
it is hard to keep them out of the translation process, so we need to test and evaluate everything always and not accord a level of accomplishment that has not yet been achieved(and may not be achievable).
