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YHVH = Jesus
« on: August 30, 2012, 01:37:59 AM »
I hope this post does not duplicate anything previously done here, but I'm still fairly new here, and have little sense of the history of the discussions here.  I got the germ of this idea from the religion sub-forum over at abovetopsecret.com.  I am one of the Christians over there, locked in endless debate with the skeptics and scoffers, who seems locked into a mindset, but then, I'm sure they would say the same about us.

First, a chart of the Hebrew alphabet, but not from the usual standpoint.  This chart, which I cut and pasted from somewhere on the www, is concerned with the very ancient, "primitive" meanings of the letters.



NAME OF LETTERS   INTERPRETATION OF SYMBOL, WORD, OR LETTER Rendered in English

ALEPH   An Ox or Bullock, a sacrifice or at-one-ment. Its numerical value is ONE.

BETH           A House or Tent, a dwelling or tabernacle, in, among, within, etc.

GIMEL   A Camel, like a camel's hump, heap, collect, high.

DALETH   A Door or Gate, lid, valve.

HE           Lo, see, behold, (therefore) a lattice or window for that purpose.

VAV           A Peg, Nail or Hook, therefore, wherefore, then, that, in order that, so that, etc.

ZAYIN   A Weapon, a shining sword, brightness, light.

CHETH   An Enclosure, fenced in, ark, refuge.

TETH           A Serpent, like a serpent, rolled, twisted, entwined.

YOD           The Hand, the right hand, to strike or pierce, a stroke, a blow.

KAPH        The Hollow or Palm of the Hand, curved, concave, a valley or basin.

LAMEDH   A Goad, towards, into, unto, until, upon, even to, besides, etc.

MEM           Water, waves, a flood.

NUN           A Fish, to sprout, to put forth, Noah, (as one from whom all are propagated).

SAMEKH   A Fulcrum, prop, lever, to help, to sustain, to uphold, the hinge of a mason's apron, a ladder or line connecting the lower with the higher, the Holy Ghost.

AYIN           The Eye, to flow, to flow out, a fountain.

PE           The Mouth, to breathe, to blow, a side or quarter of the heavens, region, part, quarter.

TSADHE   A Scythe or Reaping-hook, just, pertains to the harvest or retribution. Tsadok is Jupiter or justice (in Sanscrit, karma).

QOPH   Occiput, back of the head, to move in a circle.

RESH           Head, first, foremost, beginning, front.

Rosh         Means a foremost or most northern nation.

SHIN           Tooth, a sharp rock, cliff, crag. The Almighty (Shaddi) if seen from the front, but Satan if seen from behind.

TAU           A Sign or Mark, cross, a symbol, a token.

There are three letters of interest to us here, Yod, He, and Vav.  [I wish I could place the Hebrew letter form by the English name, but I have not been successful in downloading a useful Hebrew font onto my Word for Mac program.  Maybe somebody can give me a hint.]  Anyway, if you take the Tetragrammaton, YHVH, or Yod, He, Vav, He, and simply plug in those "primitive" letter meanings, you get:  The Hand, Behold, the Nail, Behold.  Read it backwards in the Hebrew manner, and it means "Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand," hmmmm...could that be Jesus?!

Jesus is the God of the OT! 

Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: YHVH = Jesus
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 04:39:58 AM »
Behold the nail, behold the hand. Wow that's very interesting! Thanks for sharing. :)

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Re: YHVH = Jesus
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2012, 04:47:57 AM »
Laz,

That certainly is very interesting. I have spent quite a lot of spare time studying the ancient Hebrew & Phoenician scripts (they are the same), and never would have thought of such a connection. Keep working on this sort of material, maybe you have a gift of discernment all of us could benefit more from.

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Re: YHVH = Jesus
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2013, 06:41:14 PM »
WW, thanks for the links, but (as ever) the fonts do not work on my Mac.  One of these days, I may just give up using cheap, old, used computers...

Now, to make my original post more complete, here is the full essay which developed out of it:

THE PICTOGRAPHIC NAME OF GOD

We're going to have to beat around the burning bush, but the roundabout is worth it!

I have been connecting dots for most of my adult life - connections, correspondences, correlations. The dots I want to connect here and now have to do with the Hebrew alphabet. We all know that written Hebrew is phonetic, with each letter being assigned a sound, not a...t all different from the modern alphabet. Ancient Hebrew, like Greek and Latin, lacked a separate set of symbols for numbers, thus each letter was assigned a numerical value. A Russian named Ivan Panin discovered that plugging in these numerical values in place of the letters, produced highly complex numerical patters running right through the text from Genesis to the Revelation. That's why I mentioned Greek, for numerically it works much like the Hebrew. As amazing as that is, I knew that years ago, so let's move on to the Strong Meat.

So, we know so far that the Hebrew letters operate on phonetic and numerical levels, but there is a third level, that of very ancient pictographs. Here is a chart of the Hebrew letters:

NAME OF LETTERS INTERPRETATION OF SYMBOL, WORD, OR LETTER Rendered in English
ALEPH An Ox or Bullock, a sacrifice or at-one-ment. Its numerical value is ONE.
BETH A House or Tent, a dwelling or tabernacle, in, among, within, etc.
GIMEL A Camel, like a camel's hump, heap, collect, high.
DALETH A Door or Gate, lid, valve.
HE Lo, see, behold, (therefore) a lattice or window for that purpose
VAV A Peg, Nail or Hook, therefore, wherefore, then, that, in order that, so that, etc.
ZAYIN A Weapon, a shining sword, brightness, light.
CHETH An Enclosure, fenced in, ark, refuge.
TETH A Serpent, like a serpent, rolled, twisted, entwined.
YOD The Hand, the right hand, to strike or pierce, a stroke, a blow.
KAPH The Hollow or Palm of the Hand, curved, concave, a valley or basin.
LAMEDH A Goad, towards, into, unto, until, upon, even to, besides, etc.
MEM Water, waves, a flood.
NUN A Fish, to sprout, to put forth, Noah, (as one from whom all are propagated).
SAMEKH A Fulcrum, prop, lever, to help, to sustain, to uphold, the hinge of a mason's apron, a ladder or line connecting the lower with the higher, the Holy Ghost.
AYIN The Eye, to flow, to flow out, a fountain.
PE The Mouth, to breathe, to blow, a side or quarter of the heavens, region, part, quarter.
TSADHE A Scythe or Reaping-hook, just, pertains to the harvest or retribution. Tsadok is Jupiter or justice (in Sanscrit, karma).
QOPH Occiput, back of the head, to move in a circle.
RESH Head, first, foremost, beginning, front.
Rosh means a foremost or most northern nation.
SHIN Tooth, a sharp rock, cliff, crag.
The Almighty (Shaddi) if seen from the front, but Satan if seen from behind.
TAU A Sign or Mark, cross, a symbol, a token.

Sorry, I have yet to successfully download a Hebrew font, so I don't have the pictorial letters, just the names of them. What I have learned concerns the tetragrammaton, or four-letter name of God, a proper name. It is Yod, He, Vav, He - usually transliterated "Yahweh," or rendered as "LORD" in many Bibles. Interestingly, most translators do not render the proper name of God as they should, but go ahead and transliterate the names of every pagan deity around, which the same God said not to do - but that's a rant for another day.

Hebrew is read from right to left, so if we plug in the pictographic meanings of the letters, it would read something like this:

He - lo, see, behold

Vav - a peg, nail, or hook

He - lo, see, behold

Yod - the hand

So, let's put it all together: God's proper name means (pictorially) "Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand." Reading from left to right, we get "Behold the Hand, Behold the Nail." Folks, this could be none other than Jesus!! Jesus is the God of the Old Testament.

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Here is a second witness, confirmation from the other direction, and from the other end of the Scriptures:

When Jesus was crucified, Pilate wrote the sign that was nailed to the cross. The particular wording he chose displeased the Jewish leadership and they asked him to change it. He refused. There are some interesting aspects to this incident that are not apparent in our English translations.
(John  19:19-22)


Latin: Iesus Nazareus Rex Iudaiorum

Hebrew:  (giving the spelling of the four words, right to left)

Ayin/Vav/Shin/YOD  Yod = Y

Yod/Dalet/Tzadei/Nun/HE  He = H

Khaf/Kaned/Beit/VAV  Vav = W

Teit/Yod/Reish/Vav/He/Yod/HE  He =H

   H            W            H            Y

Reading from right to left YHWH
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: YHVH = Jesus
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2013, 07:57:46 PM »
I hope this post does not duplicate anything previously done here, but I'm still fairly new here, and have little sense of the history of the discussions here.  I got the germ of this idea from the religion sub-forum over at abovetopsecret.com.  I am one of the Christians over there, locked in endless debate with the skeptics and scoffers, who seems locked into a mindset, but then, I'm sure they would say the same about us.

First, a chart of the Hebrew alphabet, but not from the usual standpoint.  This chart, which I cut and pasted from somewhere on the www, is concerned with the very ancient, "primitive" meanings of the letters.



NAME OF LETTERS   INTERPRETATION OF SYMBOL, WORD, OR LETTER Rendered in English

ALEPH   An Ox or Bullock, a sacrifice or at-one-ment. Its numerical value is ONE.

BETH           A House or Tent, a dwelling or tabernacle, in, among, within, etc.

GIMEL   A Camel, like a camel's hump, heap, collect, high.

DALETH   A Door or Gate, lid, valve.

HE           Lo, see, behold, (therefore) a lattice or window for that purpose.

VAV           A Peg, Nail or Hook, therefore, wherefore, then, that, in order that, so that, etc.

ZAYIN   A Weapon, a shining sword, brightness, light.

CHETH   An Enclosure, fenced in, ark, refuge.

TETH           A Serpent, like a serpent, rolled, twisted, entwined.

YOD           The Hand, the right hand, to strike or pierce, a stroke, a blow.

KAPH        The Hollow or Palm of the Hand, curved, concave, a valley or basin.

LAMEDH   A Goad, towards, into, unto, until, upon, even to, besides, etc.

MEM           Water, waves, a flood.

NUN           A Fish, to sprout, to put forth, Noah, (as one from whom all are propagated).

SAMEKH   A Fulcrum, prop, lever, to help, to sustain, to uphold, the hinge of a mason's apron, a ladder or line connecting the lower with the higher, the Holy Ghost.

AYIN           The Eye, to flow, to flow out, a fountain.

PE           The Mouth, to breathe, to blow, a side or quarter of the heavens, region, part, quarter.

TSADHE   A Scythe or Reaping-hook, just, pertains to the harvest or retribution. Tsadok is Jupiter or justice (in Sanscrit, karma).

QOPH   Occiput, back of the head, to move in a circle.

RESH           Head, first, foremost, beginning, front.

Rosh         Means a foremost or most northern nation.

SHIN           Tooth, a sharp rock, cliff, crag. The Almighty (Shaddi) if seen from the front, but Satan if seen from behind.

TAU           A Sign or Mark, cross, a symbol, a token.

There are three letters of interest to us here, Yod, He, and Vav.  [I wish I could place the Hebrew letter form by the English name, but I have not been successful in downloading a useful Hebrew font onto my Word for Mac program.  Maybe somebody can give me a hint.]  Anyway, if you take the Tetragrammaton, YHVH, or Yod, He, Vav, He, and simply plug in those "primitive" letter meanings, you get:  The Hand, Behold, the Nail, Behold.  Read it backwards in the Hebrew manner, and it means "Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand," hmmmm...could that be Jesus?!

Jesus is the God of the OT!

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Re: YHVH = Jesus
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2013, 11:44:46 PM »
 :cloud9: I've seen this somewhere before but it's great to see it again. NOTHING in there is a coincidence. The letters are considered "mystical" in that they were as a "house" to hold His breath, and by this was everything created. They are like building blocks of a Master Builder.

The combinations of letters tell stories, and the Torah has been proven by computer programs to contain everyone's name. I have seen my own in there in two locations. Bible codes are a fascinating modern day truth for those that need to have skeptcism over the origins of the Word, dealt a sharp blow. blessings...
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 10:09:45 AM »
There's a good study on Bible Truths called "the enigma of God" that goes into this in greater detail.

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 11:37:49 AM »
There's a good study on Bible Truths called "the enigma of God" that goes into this in greater detail.

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http://bible-truths.com/enigmaOfGod.htm
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Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...