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Offline CHB

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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2012, 12:12:02 AM »
Here is what the Concordant says.

"19 Or are you not aware that your body is a temple of the holy spirit in you, which you have from God, and you are not your own?"

Sounds like it is saying, "the Holy Spirit WHICH YOU HAVE FROM GOD".

The KJ also says this.

My understanding is, the Holy Spirit is a power that God uses which does come from him as everything comes from him doesn't it? I don't see it as being God himself but a power of God. Jesus is not God the Father but he said he came from God and of course he had to because everything came from God.

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I like your speak, it is sound :HeartThrob: I have been given to understand the Holy Spirit as the very ENERGY of the Father God; it's how He gets things done.

Amen!!! This is how I see it also.

CHB

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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2012, 12:12:35 AM »
OK MICAH............WOULD YOU CALL JESUS CHRIST THE WORD OF GOD COME IN FLESH?

  THE ARK OF THE COVENANT[NOTE FIRST COVENANT WITH TABLETSOF TESTIMONY[WORD OF GOD] OF LAW]

  LOOK! THE ARK OF THE COVENANT WAS SEEN WITHIN HISTEMPLE IN HEAVEN-YOU DO NOT

  THINK THAT IS MOSES ARK DO YOU?

  WHO CAME AN ANNOUNCED TO MARY THAT SHE WOULD CONCEIVE A CHILD BY THE HOLY

  SPIRIT? GABRIEL.   HE HAD RESPONSIBILITIES OF SERVICE TO HEAVEN REGARDING THE

  TRUE ARK OF THE COVENANT,EVEN JESUS CHRIST THE WORD OF GOD COME IN FLESH

   THAT MAKES HIM AN ARK ANGEL.

  LOOK AT THE SEVEN STARS IN HIS HAND  ANGELS..THAT MAKES THEM ARK-ANGELS TOO..

  WHAT WAS ESTABLISH ON EARTH IS A PATTERN OF WHAT IS IN HEAVEN...LOOK AT 12 GATES/ANGELS

  THAT ARE AS PEARLS OF HOLY CITY. THERE ARE TWELVE ARCHANGELS IN HEAVEN...

   FOR THIS REASON JACOB HAD TWELVE SONS..JESUS HAD 12 APOSTLE'S

 

For me, if words about things are not in the Bible then I don't use those words about things in my witness. :HeartThrob:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2012, 12:22:41 AM »
LET EVERY MATTER BE ESTABLISH AT THE WORD OF TWO OR THREE WITTNESS....

  JESUS SAID THE FATHER TESTIFIES ALSO..SO IF YOU SEE GOD SAY IT IN THE SCRIPTURES JESUS SAY

  IT AND THE HOLY SPIRIT SAY IT..YOU KNOW IT IS SOUND.

 

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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2012, 12:26:48 AM »
THERE WE GO....... SO THE HOLY SPIRIT SERVES AS A WITTNESS TO THE TRUTH[3 IN HEAVEN]

  AND WE HAVE 3 ON EARTH ALSO[PATTERN]

   THE SPIRIT OPERATIVE IN ELIJAH..THAT JESUS SAID HAD COME  IN JOHN THE BAPTIST.  JOHN TESTIFIED TO

  THE LAMB COME TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE SIN OF THE WORLD

 AND WOULD COME AGAIN AS JESUS STATED....AND JOHN THE BELOVED DISCIPLE RECEIVED AS THE

 REVELATION OF CHRIST.


  MICAH...GOD MADE ABRAHAM THE FATHER OF MANY NATIONS......BOTH JACOB AND ISHMAEL

  HAS 12 SONS. ISREAL IS MY FIRSTBORN SON[TESTIMONY OF GOD]  12 SONS IN iSREAL/TRIBES

   JESUS WITTNESS....CALLED 12 DISCIPLES GAVE POWER AND AUTHORITY]

    HOLY SPIRIT TESTIMONY   REV 1200 SEALED OUT OF TRIBES OF ISREAL12 PEARLS ANGELS AT GATES

   FURTHER PATTERN OF HEAVENS ARRANGEMENT SHADOWED ON EARTH...ARE

  SEVEN CHOSEN OF HOLY SPIRIT TO FEED WIDOWS.....AND SEVEN JUDGEMENT ANGELS/HEAVEN


   THESE WORDS ABOUT THESE THINGS ARE IN THE BIBLE...HERE YOU HAVE GOD,JESUS

  AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AS WITTNESS

  JESUS SAID TO 'I HAVE MORE THAN 12 LEGION OF ANGELS AT MY DISPOSAL]

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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2012, 12:29:27 AM »
Micah said, "WHERE in the Bible is Gabriel called or refered to as an Archangel????

Gabriel is not named directly as an archangel but, there were only three angels named in the bible. Lucifer, Michael, and Gabriel. Michael is mentioned as an archangel and referred to as "ONE of the archangels" so we know there is more than one.
Michael is mentioned 3 times in the Bible.
Gabriel is mentioned 7 times and while not called an archangel directly does state, "I stand in the presence of God"
The devil, lucifer, satan is never called an archangel but, as you know is mentioned more than 7 times and God said he was originally the best of the best created angel.
Many people believe Gabriel to be an archangel because he is oft pictured as blowing a trumpet. In revelation, 7 angels blow 7 trumpets. However, Archangel only has the meaning of the "first of the angel kind" so we know that there is more than one but only Michael is actually named "archangel." Since there is more than one, it is assumed the other named angels were also archangels.

Would you please fill me in on the above? My Bible is lacking this information :dontknow: Lucifer an angel? Lucifer mentioned 7 times? Just because religion and theology cause "Many people believe Gabriel to be an archangel...." DON'T make it so. Many people believe when they die they go to heaven or hell then, but that at so.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2012, 12:31:00 AM »
THERE WE GO....... SO THE HOLY SPIRIT SERVES AS A WITTNESS TO THE TRUTH[3 IN HEAVEN]

  AND WE HAVE 3 ON EARTH ALSO[PATTERN]

   THE SPIRIT OPERATIVE IN ELIJAH..THAT JESUS SAID HAD COME  IN JOHN THE BAPTIST.  JOHN TESTIFIED TO

  THE LAMB COME TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE SIN OF THE WORLD

 AND WOULD COME AGAIN AS JESUS STATED....AND JOHN THE BELOVED DISCIPLE RECEIVED AS THE

 REVELATION OF CHRIST.


  MICAH...GOD MADE ABRAHAM THE FATHER OF MANY NATIONS......BOTH JACOB AND ISHMAEL

  HAS 12 SONS. ISREAL IS MY FIRSTBORN SON[TESTIMONY OF GOD]  12 SONS IN iSREAL/TRIBES

   JESUS WITTNESS....CALLED 12 DISCIPLES GAVE POWER AND AUTHORITY]

    HOLY SPIRIT TESTIMONY   REV 1200 SEALED OUT OF TRIBES OF ISREAL12 PEARLS ANGELS AT GATES

   FURTHER PATTERN OF HEAVENS ARRANGEMENT SHADOWED ON EARTH...ARE

  SEVEN CHOSEN OF HOLY SPIRIT TO FEED WIDOWS.....AND SEVEN JUDGEMENT ANGELS/HEAVEN


   THESE WORDS ABOUT THESE THINGS ARE IN THE BIBLE...HERE YOU HAVE GOD,JESUS

  AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AS WITTNESS

  JESUS SAID TO 'I HAVE MORE THAN 12 LEGION OF ANGELS AT MY DISPOSAL]

Did you find the one about Gabriel being an archangel? I missed it
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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2012, 01:02:47 AM »
 THE FAITH OF THE CENTURION   MT 8;9

   WHEN JESUS ENTERED cAPERNAUM A CENTURION CAME TO HIM,ASKING FOR HELP

  LORD,HE SAID, MY SERVANT LIES AT HOME PARALYZED AND IN TERRIBLE SUFFERING

   JESUS SAID TO HIM,IWILL GOANDHEALHIM.  THE CENTURION REPLIED,LORD,I DO NOT

  DESERVE TO HAVE YOU COME UNDER MY ROOF. BUT JUST SAY THE WORD,AND MY SERVANT

  WILL BE HEALED.

    FOR I MYSELF AM A MAN UNDER AUTHORITY[LIKE JESUS UNDER FATHER], WITH SOLDIERS UNDER ME

  I TELL THIS ONE,GO AND HE GOES; AND THAT ONE COME,AND HE COMES, I SAY TO MY SERVANT

  DO THIS AND HE DOES IT.[WHAT IF YOU SEE THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN ASCENDING AND DESCENDING

  ON THE SON OF MAN]


  WHAT POWER DO YOU THINK JESUS SENT FORTH TO HEAL THE CENTURIONS CENTURION...

  A HOLY SPIRIT..ONE OF GOD'S FAITHFU LANGELS.  LOOKING FORWARD TOTHE DAY WHEN HE RETURNS

  IN THE POWER AND GLORY OF THE FATHER WITH ALL THE HEAVENLY HOSTS.!!

    WHEN JESUS HEARD THIS HE WAS ASTONISHED AND SAID TO THOSE FOLLOWING HIM,

    I TELL YOU THE TRUTH,I HAVE NOT FOUND ANYONE IN ISREAL WITH SUCH GREAT FAITH

         I SAY TO YOU MANY WILL COME FROM THE EAST AND WEST AND WILL TAKE THEIR PLACES

   AT THE FEAST WITH ABRAHAM,ISAAC AND JACOB IN THE KINGDOM[THREE] OFHEAVEN

   BUT THE SUBJECTS OF THE KINGDOM WILL BE THROWN OUTSIDE INTO THE DARKNESS

     WHERE THERE WILL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.

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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2012, 02:52:23 PM »
Micah,
I sorta answered your question about Gabriel at the bottom of page 2 :gimmefive:
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2012, 05:06:08 PM »
Micah,
I sorta answered your question about Gabriel at the bottom of page 2 :gimmefive:

This is all I could find in my Bible  1Th_4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Jud_1:9  Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

This below is NO proof of anything: in fact it mostly supposition, speculation, and assumption; did you get any of that stuff from your Bible, or from "notes and commentary"?
"The devil, lucifer, satan is never called an archangel but, as you know is mentioned more than 7 times and God said he was originally the best of the best created angel.
Many people believe Gabriel to be an archangel because he is oft pictured as blowing a trumpet. In revelation, 7 angels blow 7 trumpets. However, Archangel only has the meaning of the "first of the angel kind" so we know that there is more than one but only Michael is actually named "archangel." Since there is more than one, it is assumed the other named angels were also archangels.
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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2012, 05:29:40 PM »
 1Th_4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

The Lord descends. There is a shout(which may or may not be the Lords) there is the voice of an archangel (we don't know which one as it isn't named) and with the trump of God (It doesn't say who is actually blowing the trumpet but LEGEND has it that it is Gabriel. (There is even some hymn out there that asks Gabriel to come blow his horn) The dead in Christ (those that died before the return) shall rise first. So forget that teaching from preachers that say about the dead, "OH they are talking with Jesus right now or being held in his arms or "in heaven" - all are still in their graves Hell-the unseen; covered up) till Christ returns.
C'mon, even Jesus didn't go immediately to the Father when He died but was in "hell" preaching to those that had died in and before the flood. Of course, they hadn't risen yet either and Jesus was there PREACHING as if they had a chance yet with God and NOT there to say "Nanny-nanny nah-nah, you'll be tortured for-ev-er.
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2012, 05:51:55 PM »
apostle- from to send..a person sent out on a special mission.[messenger/angel]

   you have been with me from the beginning[Jesus to His disciples]   I have lost none except

   the son of perdition, in order that the scriptures be fulfilled

   have I not chosen you 12,yet one of you is a devil?   satan entered Judas

   in the above we see God's will being done on earth as it is in heaven by Jesus Christ

   thy Kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven


   i am not writing these things to convince anyone..let him who hears what the spirit is saying 'hear'


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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2012, 06:15:37 PM »
Which has nothing to do with whether Gabriel was an archangel or not.
Truth is, we can't be sure as it is not specifically mentioned.
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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Re: revelation 1:6 , about Jesus ?
« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2012, 06:16:38 PM »
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i am not writing these things to convince anyone..let him who hears what the spirit is saying 'hear'
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From Him and through Him and to Him are all things.