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The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« on: December 11, 2011, 06:29:06 AM »
 WITHOUT the Greek definition of the word "soul," how can that word "soul"[a living creature or to breath] become a euphemsim to the woman of Genesis as a soul as in the Greek sense?
From what I have read, not just on this forum, the woman represents the soul that man must get/win/woo back or at least get back in line for a type of marriage.
I understand the concept, and I find it viable, even followed it for years. I am asking now, just how it evolved or maybe I should say, reveal its self, as such for that identification?

I am asking in all sincerity. :HeartThrob:
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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 02:25:04 AM »
In our language, not all of our words have either a feminine or masculine connotation . . .many do, but not all.  But I'm told the Hebrew language "does" have every word connected to either a feminine or masuline connotation.  .  What that means is . . .if you say your name is "Jill" then I know by the feminine conotation of the name that you're a female . . .but if you say your name is "Jack" then that tells me you're a male . . .the word "soul" carries a feminine connotation.

Secondly . . .David even verifies this in Psalms where he states . .

 1I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.

 2 My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.

 3O magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt his name together.


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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 03:03:12 AM »
In our language, not all of our words have either a feminine or masculine connotation . . .many do, but not all.  But I'm told the Hebrew language "does" have every word connected to either a feminine or masuline connotation.  .  What that means is . . .if you say your name is "Jill" then I know by the feminine conotation of the name that you're a female . . .but if you say your name is "Jack" then that tells me you're a male . . .the word "soul" carries a feminine connotation.

Secondly . . .David even verifies this in Psalms where he states . .

 1I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.

 2 My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.

 3O magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt his name together.


Oh wow, I had never caught that in the psalms or thought about the feminine/masculine Hebrew words, great points Nathan!
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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 04:09:15 AM »
Yes soul is a fem. noun. But not all translations use "her" in that Psa.34:2  I suggest this is how  we can slide to create what we think. So, maybe David did not actually "verify" anything as to making the soul a "her." Something to consider rather than build on. Of course it is just my opinion. I do understand that losing the meaning or understanding of what a soul is, from its entrance into the Word, and how the Greek generates or defines a soul to be an entity in and of itself can cause a wondering.

Forgot to add this: no mention of "her" in these translations

Psa 34:2 (33:3) Mi soule schal be preisid in the Lord; mylde men here, and be glad.(Wycliffe 1395)
Psa 34:2 My soul shall make its boast in Jehovah: the meek shall hear, and rejoice.(Darby 1890)
Psa 34:2 My soule shal glory in God: the humble shall heare therof and be glad.(Bishops Bible1568)
Psa 34:2 My soule shall glory in the Lord: the humble shall heare it, and be glad.(Geneva 1587)
Psa 34:2 (34:3) My soul shall glory in the LORD; the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.(Jewish Publication Society Translation
1917 )
Ps 34:2   My life makes its boast in the Lord; let the humble and afflicted hear and be glad.(Amp. Bible)
Psa.34:2  2 When I boast, it will be about ADONAI; the humble will hear of it and be glad. (Complete Jewish Bible David Stern)
Psa.34: 2 My soul shall make its boast in the Lord; The humble shall hear of it and be glad(New King James 1982)
Psa. 34:2 I will boast only in the Lord; let all who are helpless take heart.(New living Trans.)
Psa. 34:2 My soul makes its boast in the Lord; let the humble hear and be glad. (New Rev. Std.)
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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 11:02:00 AM »
Mic,

A ship is also a she  :winkgrin:

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נפשׁ
nephesh
BDB Definition:
1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
1a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
1b) living being
1c) living being (with life in the blood)
1d) the man himself, self, person or individual
1e) seat of the appetites
1f) seat of emotions and passions
1g) activity of mind
1g1) dubious
1h) activity of the will
1h1) dubious
1i) activity of the character
1i1) dubious
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: from H5314
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1395a
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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2011, 10:23:12 PM »
Yes soul is a fem. noun. But not all translations use "her" in that Psa.34:2  I suggest this is how  we can slide to create what we think. So, maybe David did not actually "verify" anything as to making the soul a "her." Something to consider rather than build on. Of course it is just my opinion. I do understand that losing the meaning or understanding of what a soul is, from its entrance into the Word, and how the Greek generates or defines a soul to be an entity in and of itself can cause a wondering.

Forgot to add this: no mention of "her" in these translations

Psa 34:2 (33:3) Mi soule schal be preisid in the Lord; mylde men here, and be glad.(Wycliffe 1395)
Psa 34:2 My soul shall make its boast in Jehovah: the meek shall hear, and rejoice.(Darby 1890)
Psa 34:2 My soule shal glory in God: the humble shall heare therof and be glad.(Bishops Bible1568)
Psa 34:2 My soule shall glory in the Lord: the humble shall heare it, and be glad.(Geneva 1587)
Psa 34:2 (34:3) My soul shall glory in the LORD; the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.(Jewish Publication Society Translation
1917 )
Ps 34:2   My life makes its boast in the Lord; let the humble and afflicted hear and be glad.(Amp. Bible)
Psa.34:2  2 When I boast, it will be about ADONAI; the humble will hear of it and be glad. (Complete Jewish Bible David Stern)
Psa.34: 2 My soul shall make its boast in the Lord; The humble shall hear of it and be glad(New King James 1982)
Psa. 34:2 I will boast only in the Lord; let all who are helpless take heart.(New living Trans.)
Psa. 34:2 My soul makes its boast in the Lord; let the humble hear and be glad. (New Rev. Std.)

First off bro . . .there is no "creating what we think" going on here . . .I share what I see, I create nothing.

Secondly, I don't base what I see on some translation . . .I don't even base it on what's written in a book.  I base it on what's written in me . . .it comes from "perspective" not interpretation.

Which leads to the third point.  Because lining up the soul with the woman in me and the spirit with the man in me unlocks many more spiritual principles that lead to more depths . . .I choose to embrace what I've shared I see.  The pattern just fits the nature of God too well to think that it's a translated error.

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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2011, 10:56:38 PM »
 :cloud9: :thumbsup: Amen
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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2011, 07:44:19 PM »
Dead H4191  A primitive root; to die (literally or figuratively) [can I say to quit breathing and be in order?]
Body H5315  nephesh properly a breathing creature. From H5314
A primitive root; to breathe
Soul  H5315   nephesh properly a breathing creature
Now in my opinion, right here the formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
That formed man when man becme a living soul, was a body.
And what does the Bible teach is a SOUL?

Numbers 6:6
(ASV)  All the days that he separateth himself unto Jehovah he shall not come near to a dead body.

(CLV) All the days of his sequestration to Yahweh he shall not come near a dead soul.

(HOT+)  כלH3605  ימיH3117  הזירוH5144  ליהוהH3068  עלH5921 נפשׁH5315  מתH4191  לאH3808  יבא׃H935 

(KJV)  All the days that he separateth himself unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body.

(Rotherham)  All the days for which he hath separated himself unto Yahweh to no dead person, shall he go in.

(YLT)  `All days of his keeping separate to Jehovah, near a dead person he doth not go;

Call the soul a her or a she, but let it be known, in my opinion, she or her, the person, the body, soul will die dead.

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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 04:10:52 PM »
 :cloud9: The SOULS under the altar in Revelation crying out.....so you think those are dead bodies under there crying out???
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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 06:00:31 PM »
 there is an inner man and an outer man.    The life of the 'soul' is the blood. no forgiveness comes forth unless blood is poured out.  when 'sin' entered

  Adam....the blood 'congealed' like that of a dead man. Christ, and the new man in His image quickens/gives life/resurrects...those condemned to die.

    scientists have discovered that our blood is actually congealed light.    Blood,in the natural feeds and cherishes the body/soul/life present....so,too,

    the last Adam,feeds,cherishes and clothes..gives life to our spiritual body.   For this reason,Jesus said, 'you must eat my flesh and drink my blood."

    Duality=  tree of knowledge of good and evil[it is an evil thing death in our clay pot]   only God is good....we are double garmeted......

   as we bore the image of the corruptible[evil] we shall all also bear the image of the incorruptable[last Adam from heaven]

    the body is more than clothes...though man be naked in shame in the dust...he shall be raised up.


    One very very important lesson we must all learn from this expierence.....we will never ever be anything other than what our Father makes of us....we are all the work

  of His hands....this 'humbling' of His children removes all pride and arrogance,boasting. Appreciating His grace,benevolence and love for us all...and the ceasing

  of the worshipping of the works of our own hands...is paramount. Leaving behind all 'airs' of any self-righteousness....and placing faith in Him to do that

  for us which we are unable to do on our own...that we will bear the image of the incorruptible last Adam from heaven....This faith in the righteousness of God.

   There are those twice dead and those twice born[born in image of corruptible/born again of the incorruptible]   Discern the spirits,children

   spiritual offspring of God,spiritual offspring of vipers.

     man of sin is the image and likeness of satan[corruptible] fallen angels...spirit creatures who kept no their proper dwelling places[subjection to God's will]

   new man in Christ is the incorruptible image and likeness of the Father[if you have seen me,you have seen the Father,we are one]

    His children are twice born...satans twice dead...no body no spirit...

    Father educates all His offspring...He humbles in the dust[corruptible body] and exalts to heavenly places[incorruptible body]

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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 06:25:12 PM »
 :cloud9: Amen, beautiful.... :thumbsup:
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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 07:07:00 PM »

...scientists have discovered that our blood is actually congealed light.   



Do you have a link to this information?




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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 08:42:16 PM »
...no....I read it about 10 years ago,Beloved.  I'll search and see if I can come up with it :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2011, 08:48:47 PM »
 I 'google' searched   blood is congealed light...and a whole lot of  things come up,Beloved. the christianforum.com site looks promising....as the others.

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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2011, 08:52:05 PM »
I also googled this sheila.  I may need to look further, but I didn't see much/any real scientific evidence, and a whole bunch of information about a LD cult started by Gwen Shaw that teaches this.  Some even call her teaching occultic.  I don't really know much about the blood issue, but it may bear some further investigation.   :2c:

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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2011, 09:35:41 PM »
 :cloud9: I have no problem believing it, simply because all matter is in essence "congealed" or slowed down light, the light that is Spirit. By Him (Christ) and through Him and for Him, were all things created.

Also, a vision of an eclipse He gave me years ago, when I watched as the moon went behind the earth in it's oval eliptical orbit (like a valley), He spoke to me, "Yea, though I walk through the valley of death (earth/flesh dominating spirit) I will fear no evil for the Lord is with me."

When I went to the library to check out a book on astronomy to investigate it, I was stunned to read that when the light from the sun hits the earth during such an event, it blocks out all spectrums of light, save one, which actually refracts or bends around the surface of the earth to hit the moon (symbolic of the redeemed). The color? Why, red, of course.  :bigGrin:  The color of the blood.

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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2011, 12:04:55 AM »
Again, I don't know.  Maybe it also depends on "technicality", i.e., is it an actual/literal definition, or a spiritual metaphor, etc.

For instance, I personally do have an awe of what would have been Jesus' literal blood, although I realize the most important aspect of it is/was spiritual.   

This from J. Preston Eby;    :dontknow:

"Let us notice one thing further. The red liquid that ran through the veins and arteries of the body of Jesus is not the blood whose power redeems mankind and all things unto God. There is no biblical basis for attributing any unusual properties to Christ's body fluids. The term "blood of Christ" is far more significant than any magical or mystical power falsely attributed to His physical blood by those who are ignorant of the truth. And here I must speak a word against one of the popular myths that has been widely circulated among God's people. Various teachers have maintained that human blood is in some mysterious way "congealed light." Now that term carries with it a certain kind of mystical aura, and a rather scientific sound. But the truth is that it is neither scientifically founded, scripturally sound, nor spiritually veracious. Blood is composed of the very same chemical and mineral substances of which the earth is made. If blood is "congealed light," then your refrigerator, automobile, house, and a bunch of bananas and a cup of coffee are just as truly congealed light! Blood is mostly water, but in the blood many substances are dissolved and in this fluid float specks of matter that do not dissolve. From the lungs it takes oxygen breathed in, and from the digestive organs it takes food substances and carries these, as well as disease-fighting cells, to all parts of the body. The liquid part of the blood greatly resembles sea water. This liquid part of the blood without all the solid particles, but including the various chemicals in the blood, is called plasma."

Another thought;  everything is through, from, and to Him - including our blood.   So aren't even the most literal/physical things, in essence, still spiritual in their sum essence?    :dunno2:

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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2011, 02:16:38 AM »
:cloud9: I have no problem believing it, simply because all matter is in essence "congealed" or slowed down light, the light that is Spirit. By Him (Christ) and through Him and for Him, were all things created.
At the right frequency it's possible to walk/phase trough solid objects.


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Also, a vision of an eclipse He gave me years ago, when I watched as the moon went behind the earth in it's oval eliptical orbit (like a valley), He spoke to me, "Yea, though I walk through the valley of death (earth/flesh dominating spirit) I will fear no evil for the Lord is with me."

When I went to the library to check out a book on astronomy to investigate it, I was stunned to read that when the light from the sun hits the earth during such an event, it blocks out all spectrums of light, save one, which actually refracts or bends around the surface of the earth to hit the moon (symbolic of the redeemed). The color? Why, red, of course.  :bigGrin:  The color of the blood.

There was one on crucifixion day.
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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2011, 02:19:58 AM »
http://www.atam.org/DNA.html
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Our blood is made up of congealed light. In our DNA it has been recently discovered that there are bio-photons
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2011, 02:53:00 AM »
http://www.atam.org/DNA.html
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Our blood is made up of congealed light. In our DNA it has been recently discovered that there are bio-photons

I had seen that site (their main site is age to age ministries/atam.org) and have now looked at it some more.  Hmmm....
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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2011, 03:04:08 AM »
does all this sound "right"?


some info from TrueLight Ministries;

Have you noticed lately that most of the big names in the Prophetic and Apostolic Movement are increasingly sprinkling the term DNA into their vocabulary?

To understand the seriousness implications of their use of the term DNA, it is important to understand that the Dominionist doctrine embraced by an increasing number of apostate ministries is straight from the occult. From the very seeds of civilization, Gnostic sects and keepers of the Gnostic Kabalistic dogma have spoken of humankind evolving into a God-like being. The Kabbala calls this being the Adam Kadmon, or "God Man." The name "Adam" refers to the entire human race and the term "Kadmon" refers to completion. Thus, Adam Kadmon speaks of a return to our beginning, with all the knowledge, wisdom, and enlightenment of the first "Adam." Those who embrace this doctrine firmly believe we can return to the Garden of Eden by becoming the Adam Kadmon and creating Heaven on Earth.

One becomes Adam Kadmon through activation of the divine nature. When enough of man kind has activated their divine nature we will evolve and become the "Corporate Christ." DNA stands for Divine Nature Activation and it is being tossed around in the Christian community like rice at a wedding. Doing a quick online search using the term DNA activation will return a myriad of occult websites for your perusal.

Adherents of these occultic beliefs claim that the inactivated part of our DNA is preventing us from becoming God. They claim we have the divinity and enlightenment of the Adam Kadmon encoded into our DNA. As more and more of us activate this Divine Nature we will corporately become the Adam Kadmon, return to the Garden, and usher in heaven on earth. Is this starting to sound familiar? It should. It is exactly what the false apostles of the prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation teach. It is also what the New Age teaches. The Dominionists cloak their beliefs and their Luciferian agenda in more palatable terms to appeal to the undiscerning. However, it makes no matter what you wrap cyanide in to make it easier to swallow; it is still going to kill you.

Below is a quote from John Lewis from Age to Age Ministries in which explains the use of this term DNA. Interestingly enough, Age to Age ministries, which I had never heard of prior to my research, claims to be a Christian ministry.
"The 97% of your DNA that's not activated is GOD waiting to be activated in man. You have the information and intelligence of Adam the son of God encoded in your DNA. Access and activation to this information will cause you to live as Adam the God-man in the Garden of your Be-in.

When Divine Nature is completely activated within man, he will be able to naturally transport himself from place to place without the aid of modern transportation. Elijah and Philip in the Bible were only examples of what will become the norm. Jesus said,

As the 97% of unused DNA is activated the 2-Strand double helix becomes a 12 –Strand DNA. Since science doesn't understand the 97%, they don't understand the purpose for the 5 extra pairs of DNA strands (shadow strands).

The 12-Strand DNA represents man coming into his Divineness. Mankind created in the image and likeness of God can be nothing less that God. Every seed must bring forth after its kind. Man is the visible expression of the invisible God. This has been the Creators plan from the beginning to multiply Himself to the point of filling All things.

Organized religion spends time shouting and screaming at their followers convincing them that they are not Gods. It seems to be their mission to deceive their followers into believing they are only human that can not think for themselves. The powers that be realize that if their followers would begin to activate the Divine Nature that would be the end of Organized Religion as we see it today." 
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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2011, 03:20:43 AM »
I don't understand what's wrong with that, Jab.

It makes perfect sense to me.

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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2011, 03:56:14 AM »
I've looked at more of the context of the site...I'm not exactly "shooting them down", NOR saying the person quoted above is right about everything - just suggesting "be careful, check it out, don't just swallow whatever comes along".  I realize there are also naysayers on all sides, many with their own agenda, and certainly with their own perspective.

Did you notice this part from the above carefully?     "Adherents of these occultic beliefs claim that the inactivated part of our DNA is preventing us from becoming God. They claim we have the divinity and enlightenment of the Adam Kadmon encoded into our DNA. As more and more of us activate this Divine Nature we will corporately become the Adam Kadmon, return to the Garden, and usher in heaven on earth. Is this starting to sound familiar?... It is also what the New Age teaches."

will we be God?   can we "activate" anything?
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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2011, 03:58:28 AM »
He also says "It is also what the New Age teaches."    Often, there's just enough truth mixed in with the deceit to let it "slip through".  That's why it's deceitful - we don't notice it.   :2c:


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Re: The Greek soul vs what a soul is
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2011, 04:00:52 AM »
Maybe it should read, "As God activates it in us?"   
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