willieH: Hi WW...
Thanks for your reply!
Actually the word translated "created" into English -- #H1254 -- BARA -- can and does mean "DISPATCHED". Something "dispatched" was already in existence...
Jewish scholars believe bara is creating out of nothing. I never have seen the meaning of dispatched. I've checked BARA/H1254 is 3 lexicons. They are all basicly the same and none does mention 'dispatch'. (not claiming I own all lexicons)FIRST
--- Even the JEWISH scholars are not expert on the exact meanings of the ANCIENT Hebrew words -- BARA #H1254
-- appears in -- Ez 23:47
-- and is
translated "DISPATCH"... SECOND
--- Then, try Strongs
Lexicon which DOES note within the definition of the word BARA
--- "dispatch"... and then look up the above Scripture in the KJV
, which notes this definition translated into english...
In no way can I resolve the idea that the WORD of YHVH was "created" by Him, ...and prior to the "creation" of His WORD (just prior to the Physical creation), ...there was NO COMMUNICATION which came forth from YHVH, for His "WORD" had yet to be "created".
Firstly it doesn't say 'just prior'.
 It just as wel could be 99999 zillion ages.
 Plus something cretaed right now can also have lived eternally  if put in the right dimension....
--- Something that IS CREATED = generated -- (1)
-- has a beginning -- (2)
-- cannot be considered GOD (for it is a created entity, therefore, NOT the creator) -- (3)
-- Scripture notes that ALL things that were MADE were made by
" [Col 1:16 - John 1:3
]... this cannot be true if the WORD
itself was "MADE
--- Something "eternal" has no point of "generation/beginning"... I believe that ALL things which emerge from YHVH
are ETERNAL for they have emerged from the ETERNAL! That might sound confusing, but it is my belief that we have ALWAYS BEEN... the only thing that was "created" and had "beginning" was TIME and all manifestations IN IT... I also believe that the entire history of MANKIND, is the LIVING knowledge of GOOD and EVIL, which is OUTWARDLY expressed in LIVING TERMS (we are alive, doing good and evil)... and which shall remain as a reference (knowledge) but CEASE as a manifestation (living progression)...
Futhermore... In conjunction with this, I believe that we as Sons of God, are "gods" for Scripture notes this to be so -- John 10:34 -- Psalm 82:6
-- having ALWAYS existed and were present at "creation" -- Job 38:7 -- Luke 15:11-32
-- and became participants as GOD declared us to be... in the DECLARATION of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, which was within YHVH
, and IS being EXPRESSED in LIVING terms via His Children...
This is WHY, YHVH
stands inert as EVIL is done... for it must be REVEALED to its FULLEST temporal extent, and in its FULLEST temporal capacities...
...that GOOD might dwarf it in the ETERNAL realm in which JOY and LIFE abide forever.
GOD is longsuffering this revelation -- Rom 9:22-23
-- that in REVEALING EVIL, ...the majesty of JOY can be known by all. 
--- :omg: This is nothing but your conjecture... Upon what basis do you assert that putting something in the "right dimension" shall determine it to be in an ETERNAL state? Please define what you think is this, "right dimension"?
Question: Do Father, Son and HS have the same age?FIRST
--- the "Father, Son Holy Spirit" are emergent of YHVH
God, which has no "age"... for "ages" are concerned with TIME, and TIME and all within TIME, are created entities (see Gen 1
--- You are welcome to your present perception, and I hold no aught against you for it, for we all are (or should be) in the learning process...
But in my present observation, which is substanciated by the Scriptures, ...these are NOT 3 individual/separate beings... they are 3 manifestations of the SAME being -- YHVH
God... Just as your words are not a "separate person" from yourself... YHVH
continuously and SPECIFICALLY notes Himself ALONE
, as GOD in the OT, and that NO OTHER can claim to hold the position of "GOD" -- Isaiah 43:10-11 -- Ex 20:1
His continuing literally uncountable usages of -- "I, me, mine, He, Him, my" etc.. -- in referring to HIMSELF, more than display a SINGULAR entity which JESUS CHRIST
is also subject to -- 1 Cor 15:28
That we are made in HIS (not their) IMAGE... and that there is ONE
sentient PERSON (not three) in each of us, also testifies to this truth.
It makes more sense to me, that the WORD which contains the Knowledge of Good and Evil... was within Him, yet to become OUTWARD...
So at that point Jesus was born/begotten.JESUS
the "man" (human being) was "begotten"... and WAS thoroughly human, just as are we... able to be TEMPTED, and able to DIE... both of which occured (as it does with each of us) within His experience... which are TWO THINGS that cannot
happen to "GOD"! JESUS
the "man" had a beginning... and was "MADE" -- Heb 2:9
which was the "WILL" of the FULLNESS of DIVINITY which "DWELLED" in His heart, and which He followed, manifest in action and taught from, was ETERNAL (without beginning) which was a manifestation IN
HIM, of YHVH
God, who was and IS, ...HIS GOD
as well as ours ---> Eph 1:3
-- Blessed be the GOD and Father OF our Lord JESUS CHRIST...
REASON also dictates that the KNOWLEDGE of YHVH as contained WITHIN Him... is also composed of WORDS... and that the WORDS of YHVH are an inseparable portion of Himself, are and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN [without beginning] -- within His HEART.
There is a difference between words and The Word. The whole 4th word is little riddle of Father.
I agree... but "THE WORD
" has ALWAYS existed in the heart of YHVH
GOD... as the Scripture notes: John 1:1
-- THIS statement is the TRUTH
... for it IS a firm statement made in "THE WORD
" about "THE WORD
I have thoroughly enjoyed this discovery of yours WW, as well as the discussion of this thread... however...
There is NOTHING that cannot be REVEALED... that you consider this to be a "riddle" is your present perception, which in the LEARNING process, can change...
I remain in the position I have already noted... that the WORD IS
GOD and that it has NO BEGINNING or point of "creation"... and that it is an OUTWARD manifestation of YHVH
God, ...which said DIETY -- fully permeated -- Col 2:9
-- JESUS CHRIST
-- "the man" -- 1 Tim 2:5
Anyway I think we are not going to agree (as usual);
You have set up this barrier bro.
Presupposing that we shall not agree ("as usual
")... as long as you begin any conversation with me, immersed in this presupposition... then it WILL manifest during our conversation... It is our duty as seekers of the TRUTH, to remain open, irregardless of whom God has placed before us in conversation... to LEARN and be inspired to research.
You are welcome to percieve as you do...
As for me, ...I maintain that NO ONE is "right" except GOD, and he to whom GOD reveals that which is RIGHT... Until such happens in either of our life experiences in our encounters with the WORD
... then we shall remain VEILED to what is "RIGHT"... which does not mean we are "WRONG", it means we are VEILED...
That you and I do not "agree" on any given point, does not matter to me. What matters to me is that I find the TRUTH... even though I dearly welcome agreement with my brothers and sisters, it is secondary to the TRUTH. I spent 25 years in the system, DISAGREEING with HELL and ANNHILATION... yet fearing they might be true... I shall no longer EVER be engaged with this or any other FEAR
in any capacity...
maybe for further understanding we should check out the other verses I listed in my first post. They also contain that same word. (untranslated) Maybe something is to learn there...
I completely agree
with you, WW!
It is our duty to research... and I shall look forward to further discovery concerning this mysterious word.
See there? We agreed
...its a start, no?