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Passages about all the earth and nations
« on: August 12, 2013, 12:47:39 AM »
Hi everyone,
To support UR, I often see passages from the Old Testament (especially the Psalms) quoted about all the nations worshiping God and all the peoples of the earth coming to Him (ex. Ps. 22:27, 86:9, 65:2, Isaiah 45:22-23). Since I don't know anything about ancient Hebrew, I am curious if any of you have any insights as to what the scope of these passages was intended to be. The reason I hesitate to use these passages to support UR is that I wonder if they meant to say that at a future time, all people living on the earth at that time will turn to the Lord, but people who died in the past are not in view here.

Or, are these passages supposed to make us look around the present world in which we live and envision all the people we see acknowledging God one day? I have a similar concern about Acts 3:21 and the restitution of all things. Is this speaking of the restitution of all people alive at a future time, or the restitution of all people who we see in the world today?

Thank you for your help,
Samuel

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Re: Passages about all the earth and nations
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 01:43:15 AM »
Hi everyone,
To support UR, I often see passages from the Old Testament (especially the Psalms) quoted about all the nations worshiping God and all the peoples of the earth coming to Him (ex. Ps. 22:27, 86:9, 65:2, Isaiah 45:22-23). Since I don't know anything about ancient Hebrew, I am curious if any of you have any insights as to what the scope of these passages was intended to be. The reason I hesitate to use these passages to support UR is that I wonder if they meant to say that at a future time, all people living on the earth at that time will turn to the Lord, but people who died in the past are not in view here.

Or, are these passages supposed to make us look around the present world in which we live and envision all the people we see acknowledging God one day? I have a similar concern about Acts 3:21 and the restitution of all things. Is this speaking of the restitution of all people alive at a future time, or the restitution of all people who we see in the world today?

Thank you for your help,
Samuel

The Jews look forward to the kingdom in Jerusalem with their Messiah as its ruler. It was Paul who revealed that we in the body of Christ have a celestial destiny and that all on earth and in heaven will be reconciled through Christ.

20 and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens (Colossians 1:20)

20 Just as His glories in creation take us back to the very beginning, so the greater glories of
reconciliation take us to the very consummation. The universal reconciliation cannot be fully
accomplished until the close of the eonian times, when all sovereignty and authority and
power and even death are rendered inoperative (1Cor.15:24-27) and when all mankind are
saved (1Tim.4:10) and justified (Rom.5:18). This takes us far beyond the new earth portrayed
at the end of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, for there He still reigns, many of mankind are still
lost, and death is not yet abolished. (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament Page 303-Colossians 1:20)

21 The times of restoration include the terrific judgments of the Unveiling, when, by means of
seals, trumpets and bowls, the earth is restored to the sovereignty of Christ as Son of Mankind.
It has no reference to individual destiny, but to redemption of the enslaved and the disinherited
by their Kinsman Redeemer (Lev.25). (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament Page 182-Acts 3:21)
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Re: Passages about all the earth and nations
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2013, 08:10:15 AM »
Graph, the key here is stated by the prophet Isaiah:  "...line upon line, precept upon precept; here a little, and there a little." [Isaiah 28:9-10].  Some people use proof texts, but I prefer to compare text with text, and the more different places you can find in the Bible WHICH AGREE WITH EACH OTHER, the firmer your conclusions can be.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: Passages about all the earth and nations
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 04:24:40 PM »
Graph, the key here is stated by the prophet Isaiah:  "...line upon line, precept upon precept; here a little, and there a little." [Isaiah 28:9-10].  Some people use proof texts, but I prefer to compare text with text, and the more different places you can find in the Bible WHICH AGREE WITH EACH OTHER, the firmer your conclusions can be.

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Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Passages about all the earth and nations
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2013, 07:21:44 PM »
Hi everyone,
To support UR, I often see passages from the Old Testament (especially the Psalms) quoted about all the nations worshiping God and all the peoples of the earth coming to Him (ex. Ps. 22:27, 86:9, 65:2, Isaiah 45:22-23). Since I don't know anything about ancient Hebrew, I am curious if any of you have any insights as to what the scope of these passages was intended to be. The reason I hesitate to use these passages to support UR is that I wonder if they meant to say that at a future time, all people living on the earth at that time will turn to the Lord, but people who died in the past are not in view here.

Or, are these passages supposed to make us look around the present world in which we live and envision all the people we see acknowledging God one day? I have a similar concern about Acts 3:21 and the restitution of all things. Is this speaking of the restitution of all people alive at a future time, or the restitution of all people who we see in the world today?

Thank you for your help,
Samuel

If I am understanding you correctly, I think you are putting too much importance on physical death. There is going to be a resurrection that will eventually include all people that ever lived. When the Father sent his son to be the savior of the world, it was an historical event that included everyone from Adam to the last person that will ever be born. That salvation is not complete yet for any of us but we are all looking forward to it to eventually include everyone, and the nations.

Revelation 21:24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.

Rev. 22:2 On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.


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Re: Passages about all the earth and nations
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2013, 09:30:26 PM »
Father revealed this to me this week  :HeartThrob:


It really opened my heart to something I had never been aware of before.

First off to understand this revelation we must come to know that the use of "Trees" in the parable below are refering to people. There are numerous places in Scripture where this is repeated.

Men described as Trees:
Leviticus 26:4, 20; Deuteronomy 28:40, 42; Judges 9:8‑15; 1 Kings 4:33; 2 King 3:25; 1 Chronicles 16:33; Psalm 96:2; Isaiah 7:2; 10:18; 14:8; 55:12; 61:3; Ezekiel 17:24; 31;

So please read Ezekiel 31 with this in mind.  :HeartThrob:
 
Eze 31:1   In the eleventh year, in the third month on the first day, the word of the LORD came to me:

Eze 31:2   "Son of man, say to Pharaoh king of Egypt and to his hordes: " 'Who can be compared with you in majesty?

Eze 31:3   Consider Assyria, once a cedar in Lebanon, with beautiful branches overshadowing the forest; it towered on high, its top above the thick foliage.

Eze 31:4   The waters nourished it, deep springs made it grow tall; their streams flowed all around its base and sent their channels to all the trees of the field.

Eze 31:5   So it towered higher than all the trees of the field; its boughs increased and its branches grew long, spreading because of abundant waters.

Eze 31:6   All the birds of the sky nested in its boughs, all the animals of the wild gave birth under its branches; all the great nations lived in its shade.

I am seeing this tree as Adam

Eze 31:7   It was majestic in beauty, with its spreading boughs, for its roots went down to abundant waters.

Now we are introduced to the nations (races) None could equal Adam which is Scriptural.

Eze 31:8   The cedars in the garden of God could not rival it, nor could the junipers equal its boughs, nor could the plane trees compare with its branches— no tree in the garden of God could match its beauty.

Eze 31:9   I made it beautiful with abundant branches, the envy of all the trees of Eden in the garden of God.

Trees cannot envy, but people can (note: people (races) not of the lineage of Adam)

Eze 31:10   " 'Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because the great cedar towered over the thick foliage, and because it was proud of its height,

Eze 31:11   I gave it into the hands of the ruler of the nations, for him to deal with according to its wickedness. I cast it aside,

We know Adam sinned and was cast out of Eden.

Eze 31:12   and the most ruthless of foreign nations cut it down and left it. Its boughs fell on the mountains and in all the valleys; its branches lay broken in all the ravines of the land. All the nations of the earth came out from under its shade and left it.

Foreign Nations - Land of NOD, sounds like a possibility. Also the Nations left the shroud of Eden.  :HeartThrob:

Eze 31:13   All the birds settled on the fallen tree, and all the wild animals lived among its branches.

Eze 31:14   Therefore no other trees by the waters are ever to tower proudly on high, lifting their tops above the thick foliage. No other trees so well-watered are ever to reach such a height; they are all destined for death, for the earth below, among mortals who go down to the realm of the dead.

Every person whether of Adam or not will taste death because of Adam

Eze 31:15   " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On the day it was brought down to the realm of the dead I covered the deep springs with mourning for it; I held back its streams, and its abundant waters were restrained. Because of it I clothed Lebanon with gloom, and all the trees of the field withered away.

This appears to be talking of the Death of Adam

Eze 31:16   I made the nations tremble at the sound of its fall when I brought it down to the realm of the dead to be with those who go down to the pit. Then all the trees of Eden, the choicest and best of Lebanon, the well-watered trees, were consoled in the earth below.

Eze 31:17   They too, like the great cedar, had gone down to the realm of the dead, to those killed by the sword, along with the armed men who lived in its shade among the nations.

Death has taken hold

Eze 31:18   " 'Which of the trees of Eden can be compared with you in splendor and majesty? Yet you, too, will be brought down with the trees of Eden to the earth below; you will lie among the uncircumcised, with those killed by the sword. " 'This is Pharaoh and all his hordes, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

Now this final verse is perhaps the most revealing.

It seems to be asking of Pharaoh, which of the peoples in Eden can compare to him, but like the people of old; He too, will brought down to the earth below."



Now there are many loose ends that are magically tied with this revelation.

Where did Cain find his wife, from the many races that consisted of the parabolic Eden.
Who were the Sons of God and daughters of men? Men of the blood of Adam and women of the peoples.

This of course opens up another view concerning the role of Adam. Instead of ruling over a garden of a variety of trees and plants, perhaps he was commissioned to rule over the pre-existing races of peoples. 

This shook me to my core and it really felt like something that I had believed for so long "a garden of trees" was being torn from me and it did not want to leave. I find all of this disturbing still  :dunno2:

Yet, on the other side, I know Father has revealed this for a reason and quite frankly it makes much more sense than anything else I had heard or believed previously.  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

Thank you Father  :girlheart:
Love Julie

 
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Re: Passages about all the earth and nations
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2013, 10:23:38 PM »
  Julie,I beleive this same principle is exhibited in Peter and the vision of the animals on the sheet.....

   man..in the image and likeness of God..reign over/hold dominion of men of less understaanding/symbolized

 as coming down from heaven as animals both clean and unclean.

   of Course we know through Christ this domionin is a serving loving administration to others..not

  the carnal lording it over others. Adam as a man of understanding[in God's image] keeps the garden

  and lovingly fufills his dominion and duty/serves   the other creatures in the garden

   the gifts in men..for dministration is to be a blessing unto all nations..and build up the whole creation

   Rise Peter,Kill and eat..meant Peter was to put to death the carnal understanding..misunderstanding

   of men with little understanding..and break bread with them[eat] share communion spiritual things of Christ

  thus the sheet taken back up into heaven[descent/ascent  ALL NATIONS BLESSED]

   actually,when people from the ntaions began seeking Christ..He said 'NOW IS THE TIME THAT THE SON OF

 MAN BE LIFTED Up

   the one born of God keeps him...is relative to Adam keeping the garden..and Christ in paradise[garden]

  ruling'keeping' and dominion of love.   that people may know Him and not be worshipping what they do not

 know. and Jesus come to reveql the Father..and the Father revealed the son..that we maay know them

...and this s life eternal..that they know the one true God.

   Dwelling tgather in knowledge of a weaker vessel......

     

   

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Re: Passages about all the earth and nations
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2013, 10:30:48 PM »
  Julie,I beleive this same principle is exhibited in Peter and the vision of the animals on the sheet.....

   man..in the image and likeness of God..reign over/hold dominion of men of less understaanding/symbolized

 as coming down from heaven as animals both clean and unclean.

   of Course we know through Christ this domionin is a serving loving administration to others..not

  the carnal lording it over others. Adam as a man of understanding[in God's image] keeps the garden

  and lovingly fufills his dominion and duty/serves   the other creatures in the garden

   the gifts in men..for dministration is to be a blessing unto all nations..and build up the whole creation

   Rise Peter,Kill and eat..meant Peter was to put to death the carnal understanding..misunderstanding

   of men with little understanding..and break bread with them[eat] share communion spiritual things of Christ

  thus the sheet taken back up into heaven[descent/ascent  ALL NATIONS BLESSED]

   actually,when people from the ntaions began seeking Christ..He said 'NOW IS THE TIME THAT THE SON OF

 MAN BE LIFTED Up

   the one born of God keeps him...is relative to Adam keeping the garden..and Christ in paradise[garden]

  ruling'keeping' and dominion of love.   that people may know Him and not be worshipping what they do not

 know. and Jesus come to reveql the Father..and the Father revealed the son..that we maay know them

...and this s life eternal..that they know the one true God.

   Dwelling tgather in knowledge of a weaker vessel......

     

 

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Re: Passages about all the earth and nations
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2013, 12:39:56 AM »
Fits perfectly dear Sis  :HeartThrob:


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