The Christian Bible (1991)

[Molly]

It's no longer a secret to those who know it--[the holy ones of God].

But it is still a secret to those who don't know it.

[eaglesway]

having eyes but not seeing, having ears but not hearing

[Beloved Servant]

(shhh...don't tell him...but me thinks WhiteWings is more divinely inspired than he even realizes himself!)

[eaglesway]

The beautiful mystery I was referring to is in the first verse- In your relationships, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus.

Everything written in the remaining verses is focused on that first verse

Whatever we know or think we know, we re still in the dark if we don't know how to be as Jesus was with his disciples, toward one another.

Come, take my yoke upon you, learn of me, for I am meek and lowly of heart and you shall find rest.

[Beloved Servant]

...and my burden is LIGHT !

[jabcat]

Interesting;

John 13:19  From this time on I'm going to speak
to you about it before it shall occur, so that when it does occur, you
might believe that 'I AM' [this is the contracted translation (Isa. 41:4, 47:8) of
God's name in the Old Contract Writings: Yehweh ('l am, was, and will be' Exo. 3:14)].

[Molly]

Interesting;

John 13:19  From this time on I'm going to speak
to you about it before it shall occur, so that when it does occur, you
might believe that 'I AM' [this is the contracted translation (Isa. 41:4, 47:8) of
God's name in the Old Contract Writings: Yehweh ('l am, was, and will be' Exo. 3:14)].

What part of that do you find interesting?

[jabcat]

I don't know that I'd ever seen all this tied together in such a succinct, tight "package"/explanation re 'I AM';

I AM' [this is the contracted translation (Isa. 41:4, 47:8) of
God's name in the Old Contract Writings: Yehweh ('l am, was, and will be' Exo. 3:14)

[Molly]

I don't know that I'd ever seen all this tied together in such a succinct, tight "package"/explanation re 'I AM';

I AM' [this is the contracted translation (Isa. 41:4, 47:8) of
God's name in the Old Contract Writings: Yehweh ('l am, was, and will be' Exo. 3:14)

You mean moreso than Exodus 3?


13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
 
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM That I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.


He gives Moses the shortcut right there:  I AM.

[jabcat]

haha.  I must not be communicating well today.  Great scrip of course.  :)

But I mean the whole explanation, including specifically that I AM is the "contracted version" of Yehweh.  Perhaps I'd typically thought of "I AM" as sort another title (or "name") for God, not that it actually was an actual transliteration of His name (i.e., that it in essence, was the same name).  You know, all those lists for the "names" of God?  They're saying this is the same, not another.   

[jabcat]

And then again, maybe it was only interesting to me.   

[Molly]

Yes it is the same name as given in the Old Testament.  He's identifying himself as the God of the OT.  That's why the Jews sought to kill him for blasphemy.

You're right, it's very interesting and very important

.



The term tetragrammaton (from Greek τετραγράμματον, meaning "four letters")[1][2] refers to the Hebrew theonym YHWH (Hebrew: יהוה‎). It is derived from a verb that means "to be",[1] and is considered in Judaism to be a proper name of the God of Israel as indicated in the Hebrew Bible.

The most widely accepted pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) is Yahweh, though Jehovah is used in many modern Bibles




Scholars widely propose that the name YHWH is a verb form derived from the Biblical Hebrew triconsonantal root היה (h-y-h) "to be", which has הוה (h-w-h) as a variant form, with a third person masculine y- prefix.[4] It is connected to the passage in Exodus 3:14 in which God gives his name as אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh), translated most basically as "I am that I am" (or "I Will Be What I Will Be"). יהוה with the vocalization "Yahweh" could theoretically be a hif'il (causative) verb inflection of root HWH, with a meaning something like "he who causes to exist" or "who gives life" (the root idea of the word being "to breathe", and hence, "to live").[5] As a qal (basic stem) verb inflection, it could mean "he who is, who exists".[4]

--Wikipedia



Tell them..... YHWH has sent me unto you.Ex 3:14

[jabcat]

 

Interesting (to me  ) is also, the Christian Bible translates a little differently the names of God than most others.  For instance, if you look closely, they have Yehweh rather than Yahweh.  They also say this about Jesus  (my disclaimer - though I like this stuff and think it does have importance, I still don't believe we should "strangle at nats" over it, i.e., insist everyone use the "proper" name or else they're "wrong", etc...'Jesus' is what we have in our language, and IMO, God knows Who we mean - even (especially?) in our thoughts and heart.   ).  But still, for the sake of interest and discussion, here's what the Christian Bible (purported to be the most literal, accurate translation up to its time [1991]) translators say;

Jesus vs. Yesu: Since the name of our Savior is the name by which
we will be saved, it seems important that we should pronounce it like His
first students did, and not in the corrupted manner that is common today.
The first English Bible to be translated from the Greek (Tyndale's, 1525)
had "Iesu" and "Iesus," while the first edition of the KJV of the Bible

(1611) had "Iesus." Until about the late 1600s "i" and "j" were only
different forms of the same letter; and when this letter was a vowel, it had
either the sound of the "i" in "police" or "pin," while when it was a
consonant, it had the sound of the "y" in "yet." During the 1700s it
became common to separate the two, and to use the "i" for the vowel
sounds, and the "j" for the consonant sound ("yet").
By the early 1800s the "j" had lost its "y" sound and taken on its
present sound, the sound of the soft "g" as in "jet"; and the "y" had lost
its "u" sound ("up") and taken on its present sound, the consonant "i" as
in "yet." So even as late as the 1700s "Iesus" or "Jesus" was pronounced
"Yeh-soos," and not "Gee-zuss" as is popular today.
This name in the Greek has three different spellings, depending
on its case: the nominative case is "Yesus" ("Yeh-soos"); the accusative
case is "Yesun" ("Yeh-soon"); and the vocative, genative, and dative
cases are "Yesu" ("Yeh-sue"). When His first students called to Him,
such as in Mark 10:47, they used the vocative case and said, "Yesu." So
it seems most proper for us to transliterate this name as "Yesu," which is
both the vocative spelling and the root of all three spellings.
In the Old Contract Writings ("Old Testament") God's name in
Hebrew was spelled with four letters (Yodh-He-Waw-He). When using
our alphabet, it is usually transliterated as "YHWH," but since all of
these letters can also be vowels, it could also be transliterated as "IEUE."
Some would say God's name in the Hebrew Writings was "Jehovah" or
"Yahweh," but these are merely ignorant and educated corruptions from
the Masoretic tradition. Notice that the second and fourth letters are the
same; so the literal pronunciation of this word is "ee-eh-oo-eh" and is
best spelled as "Yehweh."
With the coming of His Son to the earth, God revealed that He is our
Savior by means of His Son. Also, by this time Jews had refused to ever
say God's name ("Yehweh") out of fear that they might say His name in
vain. So God modified His name to "Yesu" which in Hebrew means
"Yehweh-Savior," and also gave this name to His Son (see John 17:11-12).

[goodreport]

Yes it is the same name as given in the Old Testament.  He's identifying himself as the God of the OT.  That's why the Jews sought to kill him for blasphemy.

You're right, it's very interesting and very important

.



The term tetragrammaton (from Greek τετραγράμματον, meaning "four letters")[1][2] refers to the Hebrew theonym YHWH (Hebrew: יהוה‎). It is derived from a verb that means "to be",[1] and is considered in Judaism to be a proper name of the God of Israel as indicated in the Hebrew Bible.

The most widely accepted pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) is Yahweh, though Jehovah is used in many modern Bibles




Scholars widely propose that the name YHWH is a verb form derived from the Biblical Hebrew triconsonantal root היה (h-y-h) "to be", which has הוה (h-w-h) as a variant form, with a third person masculine y- prefix.[4] It is connected to the passage in Exodus 3:14 in which God gives his name as אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh), translated most basically as "I am that I am" (or "I Will Be What I Will Be"). יהוה with the vocalization "Yahweh" could theoretically be a hif'il (causative) verb inflection of root HWH, with a meaning something like "he who causes to exist" or "who gives life" (the root idea of the word being "to breathe", and hence, "to live").[5] As a qal (basic stem) verb inflection, it could mean "he who is, who exists".[4]

--Wikipedia



Tell them..... YHWH has sent me unto you.Ex 3:14

Molly:

I almost replied to OP, but saw that you were online and just knew that if I waited (listened before speaking) several minutes that between you and Jabcat I would really be blessed.  Thanks to both of you.  Another dot (DOT!!!!!) for my growing collection.

[Molly]

I know.  I noticed they used Yesu from what you have written about it.

This stuff is so complicated, I finally threw up my hands lol.   We have the problem of Hebrew to Greek, and even then there was no letter 'J' until the middle ages.

But, I've finally settled for myself on Y'shuah, which means Yah's salvation, or YHWH's salvation, feminine form, for Jesus.

I like it because he places the name of Jesus above every other name.  It is, to my mind, his favorite name for himself because of the importance he places on the function of salvation--that is, the cross.

But, you're right.  He knows who we are referring to no matter what name we use.

[Molly]

Yes it is the same name as given in the Old Testament.  He's identifying himself as the God of the OT.  That's why the Jews sought to kill him for blasphemy.

You're right, it's very interesting and very important

.



The term tetragrammaton (from Greek τετραγράμματον, meaning "four letters")[1][2] refers to the Hebrew theonym YHWH (Hebrew: יהוה‎). It is derived from a verb that means "to be",[1] and is considered in Judaism to be a proper name of the God of Israel as indicated in the Hebrew Bible.

The most widely accepted pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) is Yahweh, though Jehovah is used in many modern Bibles




Scholars widely propose that the name YHWH is a verb form derived from the Biblical Hebrew triconsonantal root היה (h-y-h) "to be", which has הוה (h-w-h) as a variant form, with a third person masculine y- prefix.[4] It is connected to the passage in Exodus 3:14 in which God gives his name as אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh), translated most basically as "I am that I am" (or "I Will Be What I Will Be"). יהוה with the vocalization "Yahweh" could theoretically be a hif'il (causative) verb inflection of root HWH, with a meaning something like "he who causes to exist" or "who gives life" (the root idea of the word being "to breathe", and hence, "to live").[5] As a qal (basic stem) verb inflection, it could mean "he who is, who exists".[4]

--Wikipedia



Tell them..... YHWH has sent me unto you.Ex 3:14

Molly:

I almost replied to OP, but saw that you were online and just knew that if I waited (listened before speaking) several minutes that between you and Jabcat I would really be blessed.  Thanks to both of you.  Another dot (DOT!!!!!) for my growing collection.

wow.  Thank you.

[ But, you know, I am always online according to this computer because I never sign off.   I am logged on ....forever. lol

But, that doesn't mean I'm actually here.]

[jabcat]

wow.  Thank you.

 

[lomarah]

Very interesting stuff here, I didn't know YHWH meant I AM either jab!

I also prefer Y'shuah Moll. Besides the meaning I also just love the sound of it. It has a beautiful sound. Maybe I'll start calling Joshie Yoshua haha. 

[WhiteWings]

Another trinity thread... :P

Imo Jesus never said or even remotely implied He's God.
There is a difference between being God and speaking in the name of God.
The OT has several examples of angels calling themselfs I AM in one verse and a few verses later they are called angels.
I've shown that before. Of course it was tactically ignored, but I won't give up :=)

[Molly]

Tell it to the Pharisees, ww--



57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
 
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
 
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

--John 8


Oh Look--he can make himself invisible, too!

[lomarah]

My thoughts on this topic:

????????????

[jabcat]

From Romans 16, Christian Bible, a few "mysteries" and a couple of cool proclamations;

19...I want you to be, on the one hand, continually wise in whatever is good;  yet, on the other hand, continually unsophisticated in whatever is bad.   

20  Now the God of peace will, within a short time, crush Satan under your feet.       

25  Now may the One who is able to solidly establish you in
accordance with the Good Message that I bring, even the proclamation
about the Anointed One Yesu, in accordance with the revelation of the
secret that has been kept silent during the times of the past ages [the first
age and earlier in this present age], 26 yet now has been made apparent in
accordance with the requirement of the God of the ages, and through the
Writings of the Prophets, and has been made known to all the pagans
to result in obedience by faith, 27 may God, who alone is wise, be
glorified for the remaining ages through the Anointed One Yesu! Amen ["let it be true"]!   

[goodreport]

John 8:56
Your father Abraham rejoiced to SEE my day; and he saw it, and was glad.

Hebrews 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having SEEN them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them,....

Gen 26:4-5
...and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed

because Abraham heard/obeyed my VOICE
=====================================================


John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am


John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the WORD... All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Gen 1:3,6,9------  God SAID...

John 17:5
And now O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

v. 24
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou thou lovedst meBEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD

[jabcat]

From Romans 16, Christian Bible, a few "mysteries" and a couple of cool proclamations;

19...I want you to be, on the one hand, continually wise in whatever is good;  yet, on the other hand, continually unsophisticated in whatever is bad.   

20  Now the God of peace will, within a short time, crush Satan under your feet.       

25  Now may the One who is able to solidly establish you in
accordance with the Good Message that I bring, even the proclamation
about the Anointed One Yesu, in accordance with the revelation of the
secret that has been kept silent during the times of the past ages [the first
age and earlier in this present age], 26 yet now has been made apparent in
accordance with the requirement of the God of the ages, and through the
Writings of the Prophets, and has been made known to all the pagans
to result in obedience by faith, 27 may God, who alone is wise, be
glorified for the remaining ages through the Anointed One Yesu! Amen ["let it be true"]!

19 - don't dwell or practice in evil things
20 - what does "in a short time" mean?
20 - in this context, what does "Satan crushed under your feet" mean?
25 - Jesus kept secret, it was silent under the Law?  Yet some "saw" Him and looked for and to Him..does it being kept secret mean, "in general/on the whole"?
26 - after He's been revealed (after the cross), the pagans (us!) are to believe on Him, and in His faith live for Him
27 - God is glorified through His Son

[WhiteWings]

Tell it to the Pharisees, ww--

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Two answers to that.
1] How old was Jesus? About 30? Or maybe billions of years old? Meaning He already existed long before He was born as a little baby about 2000 years ago. I think we were largely in agreement lots of LORD/Lord verses in the OT are about Jesus.
2] Jesus speaks on behalf of God. Just when you call company XYZ. "Good morning, this is XYZ, how can I be of you assistance?" Actually it's wasn't XYZ speaking but someone speaking of behalf of XYZ.

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Yep, Father, Son, HS, angels, etc all were present and creation day. So they all were before Abraham

59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

--John 8


Oh Look--he can make himself invisible, too!

Pray and eat your vitamines Molly. And one day you can do the same :-)
Maybe you can even live for ever and be dead for 3 days and night whenever you please.