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Dante

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El, Elohim, Saba˘th, Eli˘n, Asher yeheyeh, Adonai, Jah, JHVH, and Shaddai,.......The list of the names of God or words that are related to God SEEM to go on for miles!!!! :mshock:

Now ask me about the pagan hell subject, and I can slice through the subject like cold steel through warm butter.  :laughing7: BUT,.....when it comes to the NAMES of God, it is confusing the HECK out of me.  :sigh:

I guess I have taken the subject for granted all these years. :thumbdown: I just never thought too much about it. I always called God, in prayer or when speaking about him, "God", “The Father”, “The Great I Am” (One of my favorites!!), “Abba” or the “Almighty Creator”, The Creator or something like that, and Jesus Christ was just Jesus Christ. I have heard all different stories about Jesus' name also. But that is kind of like an entire story all on its own.

So just trying to sift whether Elohyim is ALWAYS speaking of God or CAN be speaking of Angels (Which I take to simply mean messenger. That is where “Angelos” comes into play. As Satan just means adversary, Angel just means messenger and MIGHT not have any Devine or heavenly meaning to it.)

I mean it seems as if the name Theos in the Greek points to being a representation of the name of God. Not as in his personal name, but in that it means we are speaking of God when we say Theos, :2c:...BUT when it comes to the Hebrew, I am totally LOST. :dontknow: Is Elohyim speaking of God, as in the Father (The Whole of God?) or could Elohyim even be an Angel, if there are such created beings and not just a messenger of God (Human or the Spirit of God)?

I am sorry to seem so scattered on this subject,… but I AM!!!!!

In the Beginning Elohyim created the Heaven and the Earth.
Does this mean that Elohyim is always referring to God or does it mean that there are many Elohyim and God is mentioned in his personal name later on, since it seems as if the Israelites needed for God to have a name; and that is when Moses came down and told them that his name was “I AM” (Hayah).
And if the TRUE name of God is Hayah, then what the heck does Jehovah mean??? :dontknow:

Ahhhhh!!!!!!

And when the hour came Jesus cried out to “ELI”! Now I can see this as the humanity of Jesus crying out to his God saying: “My God, My God why have you forsaken me”, BUT I cannot seem to get a grasp on any ONE CLEAR NAME TO GOD.
And Like I said, the ONE who created the World is Elohyim.
Now I am totally confused.
Someone please help,….I am drowning in names,….blub,…blub,…blub!

Thank you! :cloud9:

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God uses different names of Himself to reveal his many natures.
He uses different names at different times with different people.
He is a family, a lawgiver, a flowing breast and so on; each name revels what He is purposing at that particular time that I AM is.

When Jesus cried out on the cross, why have you forsaken me, I don't think He was referring to the Father Ś He was speaking to US!


(just my opinion)

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Yeshua was teaching psalms 22 from the cross.

for me its ABBA Father and Yeshua/Jesus.

for me, Yahweh is the Father and the Son is Yeshua.

i do like to study the different names, and i DONT like the word ""God""


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For me god is a type. Just like human. Only the type god has only one member.

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for me, Yahweh is the Father and the Son is Yeshua.
I think it's Yahsua -> Yahweh and Yahsua and Haleluyah

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i do like to study the different names, and i DONT like the word ""God"
And still it's the most used name/title.
"Hallowed be Thy name" but the name is very seldom mentioned.
I think several of the names mentioned in OP have pagan origins.
Even the title Father is. (Pope)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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The name "is" a reflection of the nature.  And in God, there is no end or beginning of his name and nature.  To the world, he is the "I AM"  to the church he is ALL IN ALL.  To me, he's just DAD, but I find I call him Father more than anything.

As for Jesus . . .he is the I AM, but dimensionally.  He takes it to the next step in saying "I am the first and last, the beginning and the end . ."  And my personal favorite . . ."I am that which was, which is, and is to come."  Hebrews 13:8 says the same thing.  Jesus Christ "is" the same yesterday, (that which was) today (that which is) and forever (that which is to come).

To try to narrow it down to our level of understanding for me, is like asking a child to explain how a combustive engine is made.  After a blank stare of silence, they finally open their mouth and all that comes out is "Can I watch Sponge Bob now?"

If I could explain God, then he wouldn't be God anymore.

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Even the title Father is. (Pope)

""God the father"" i dont see this till the NT?

never the less, like i said i call him ABBA FATHER.

((patēr )))

 Father= generator of ALL.... has NO gender in my book.

babel = confusion by mixing, and so we see this mixing of definitions and meanings of words.

peace
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"Can I watch Sponge Bob now?"

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.


Dante

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I need more specific "WORDS" from his Word so that I know in what context I am supposed to be understanding what God is at that time in his Word.

Does anyone know what I mean???

I do not need to know God's name for personall reasons. IE,...so that I can know what to call God, but for reasons of knowing the Word of God better! :thumbsup:

Has ANYONE ever done a word study on the names of God??

Thanks! :cloud9:

Dante

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In other words. Give me a list and how often it a particular name is used and maybe WHY.

Can someone point me to a website or some work that has been done on it??

Like, Why is THEOS used so much?
What does Theos mean?
YHWH is written like this because,...
Adonai is used in this instance because,...

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Elohim

Elohim has been a very confusing word for many people. The word elohim is used various ways in Scripture. It is not only used to describe the Almighty, but also individual pagan gods and even mighty human beings.  Elohim may be translated as God, god, angels, judges, or even a human being who stands as God's representative or agent. For example, the sons of Heth address Abraham as "a mighty prince,"  the word for "mighty" being elohim (Genesis 23:6). Some translations have Abraham here being called "Prince of God."  Take another instance.  In Exodus 4, the Lord tells Moses that he "shall be as God" (elohim) to his brother Aaron. Moses will have God's words in his mouth, and will stand as God's representative before Aaron.

Here is a case where an individual human is called elohim. Again in Exodus 7:1, the Lord says to Moses, "See, I make you God [elohim] to Pharaoh."  No one dares to suggest that there is a plurality of persons within Moses because he is called elohim, that is, God's representative. The pagan god Dagon is also called elohim in the Hebrew Bible. The Philistines lamented that the God of Israel was harshly treating "Dagon our God [elohim]" (1 Sam. 5:7).  Dagon was a single pagan deity. The same holds true for the single pagan god called Chemosh: "Do you not possess what Chemosh your god [elohim] gives you to possess?" (Jud. 11:24). The same for the single deity called Baal.

The Hebrew language has many examples of words which are plural but whose meaning is singular.  In Genesis 23, Abraham's wife Sarah dies.  The Hebrew text says, "the lives [plural] of Sarah were 127 years" (v. 1). Even the plural verb that accompanies the pronoun does not mean Sarah lived multiple lives.  The Hebrews never taught reincarnation or plurality of personhood.  Another example of this kind of anomaly in the Hebrew language is found in Genesis 43.  After Joseph wept to see his brothers, we read that Joseph "washed his faces" (plural). This is another instance where in the Hebrew language the plural noun functions as a singular noun with a singular meaning, unless, of course, Joseph was a multi-faced human being!  The same occurs in Genesis 16:8 where Hagar flees from "the faces" (plural) of her mistress Sarah. These are "anomalies" of the Hebrew language that are clearly understood by Hebrew scholars who rightly translate to a singular form in English.

The better explanation is that the Hebrews used a form of speech called "the plural of majesty."  Put simply this means that someone whose position was warrant of dignity was spoken in this way as giving a sign of honor.  The plural acted as a means of intensification:  Elohim must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty.

Whenever the word elohim refers to the God of Israel the Septuagint uses the singular and not the plural.  From Genesis 1:1 consistently right through, this holds true. The Hebrews who translated their own scriptures into Greek simply had no idea that their God could be more than one individual, or a multiple personal Being! This is true too when we come to the New Testament.  The New Testament nowhere hints at a plurality in the meaning of elohim when it reproduces references to the One God as ho theos, the One God.

Peace,
Paul


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The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." (Psa 110:1) A Psalm of David.

Psalms 110:1 is a unusual verse. It is referred to in the New Testament 23 times and is thus quoted much more often than any other verse from the Old TestamentIt's importance must not be overlooked.  It is a psalm that tells us the relationship between God and Jesus.  Psalms 110:1 is a divine utterance although poorly translated if your version leaves out the original word "oracle".  It is "the oracle of Yahweh" (the One God of the Hebrew Bible, of Judaism and New Testament Christianity) to David's lord who is the Messiah, spoken of here 1000 years before he came into existence in the womb of the Virgin Mary.

I want to bring attention to the fact that David's lord is not David's Lord.  There should be no capital on the word "lord."  The Revised Version of the Bible (1881) corrected the misleading error of other translations which put (and still wrongly put) a capitol L on lord in that verse. He is not Lord God, because the word in the inspired text is not the word for Deity, but the word for human superior- a human lord, not a Lord who is himself God, but a lord who is the supremely exalted, unique agent of the one God.

The Hebrew word for the status of the son of God and Psalms 110:1 is adoni. This word occurs 195 times in the Hebrew Bible and never refers to God.  When God is described as "the Lord" (capital L) a different word, Adonai, appears.  Thus the Bible makes a careful distinction between God and man.  God is the Lord God (Adonai), or when his personal name is used, Yahweh, and Jesus is his unique, sinless, virginally conceived human son (adoni, my lord, Luke 1:43; 2:11). Adonai is found 449 times in the Old Testament and distinguishes the One God from all others. Adonai is not the word describing the son of God, Jesus, in Psalms 110:1. adoni appears 195 times and refers only to a human (or occasionally an angelic) lord, that is, someone who is not God. This should cut through a lot of complicated post Biblical argumentation and create a making which in subtle ways that secures the simple and most basic Biblical truth, that God is a single person and that the Messiah is the second Adam, "the Man Messiah" (1 Tim. 2:5).

Let's have a look at a few Old Testament verses that show us the clear distinction alluded to here.  In Genesis 15:2, Abraham prays to God and says,  "O LORD, God  [Adonai Yahweh], what will you give me, since I am childless?"  In another prayer Abraham's servant addresses God:  "O LORD, God of my lord Abraham, please grant me success today" (Gen. 24:12). The second word for "my lord" here is adoni which according to any standard Hebrew lexicon means "Lord," "Master," or "owner."  Another example is found in David's speech to his men after he had cut off the hem of King Saul's robe and his conscience bothered him: "So he said to his men, far be it from me because of the Lord[here the word is Yahweh, Lord God] that I should do this thing to my lord [adoni]."

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, page 157. states "The form Adoni ('my lord'), a royal title (Sam. 29:8), is to be carefully distinguished from the divine title Adonai ('Lord') used of Yahweh. Adonai the special plural form [the divine title] distinguishes it from adoni [with short vowel] = 'my lords.'"  Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, vol. 3, page 137. States "lord in the Old Testament is used to translate Adonai when applied to the Divine Being. The [Hebrew] word has a suffix [with a special pointing] presumably for the sake of distinction... between divine and human appellative."

Edited by me to remove any controversial issues or doctrine

Paul


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In other words. Give me a list and how often it a particular name is used and maybe WHY.

Can someone point me to a website or some work that has been done on it??

Like, Why is THEOS used so much?
What does Theos mean?
YHWH is written like this because,...
Adonai is used in this instance because,...

In the New Testament and the Septuagint., Theˇs, generally answers to the Old Testament 'plural' name Elohim

See Elohim post.
Paul

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 :cloud9: This link has a partial listing with their meanings.........Blessings....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/misc/name_god.cfm
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