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Re: What is salvation?
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2014, 07:15:33 PM »
 :iagree:

On the other hand, you never know. You just never know. Remember where Apostle Paul came from.  :dsunny:

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Re: What is salvation?
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2014, 07:21:05 PM »
Absolutely. All things are possible with God.  :banana:
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Re: What is salvation?
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2014, 07:21:19 PM »
It is always in Gods timing when he opens some one's eyes.
The only thing separating the all from being in the all is time.

Jesus conquered time, the Holy Spirit somehow made the cross the center of time.
The cross has affected the Garden(Past) and coming ages.
The cross will always have the same effect. No matter the time.
The eyes must be made to be open.
 

 
 Amen ! 
 the fullness of time   Christ come and died on the Cross !!'
 
  now at the climax or end of the ages
 
Hebrews   9   26 Hebrews 9:26Expanded Bible (EXB)

26 ·Then [Otherwise; In such a case,] he would have had to suffer many times ·since the world was made [from the foundation/creation of the world]. But Christ ·came [appeared] ·only once and for all time [once for all; 7:27; 9:12, 26; 10:10] at the ·end [culmination; climax] of ·the present age [time; L the ages] to ·take away all [nullify; abolish] sin by sacrificing himself.
 
       Grace is it ,  there is nothing left  when  the grace is not  taken
  but all will  , every knee will bow and  every tongue confess   JESUS CHRIST IS LORD !!
 
 Romans14 

 …10But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? [satans  same accusing  nature   that murders his brother before God day and night
  under the law /night   and under grace / Day !!] 



For we will all stand[/b] before the judgment seat of God.


 11For it is written, "AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD."


12So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God
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Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: What is salvation?
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2014, 08:11:06 PM »

Yes the  saving work of the Cross    :flowerred:
 By grace you are saved its the gift of God    , Jesus is the reward !!
 

so many are still bound by the law and are   being judged   by the Law  still   but  when  we   try to do good in the Law  because we love God and he loves us

    the gift of Christ in you the hope of glory comes     reward  make a gift of something to (someone) in recognition of their services, efforts, or achievements.

  Jesus says in the scriptures  we search and think life   is in them , but its really in the Holy Spirit   of Jesus Christ &Father  that the Life is given !!!



36 "But I have a ·proof [testimony; witness] about myself that is ·greater [weightier] than that of John. [L For] The ·things [L works] I do, which are the ·things [L works] my Father gave me to ·do [complete; finish; C the signs and miracles which point to his saving work on the cross], ·prove [testify; witness] that the Father sent me.



37 And the Father himself who sent me has given ·proof [testimony; witness] ·about me [concerning me; on my behalf]. You have never heard his voice or seen ·what he looks like [his form; his outward appearance].



38 His ·teaching [word; message] does not ·live [remain; abide] in you, because you don't believe in the One the Father sent.


 39 You ·carefully study [search; examine] the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. They do in fact ·tell [testify; witness] ·about me [concerning me; on my behalf], 40 but you ·refuse [do not want] to come to me to have that life.



41 "I don't ·need [or accept; receive] ·praise [glory; honor] from people.



42 But I know you—I know that you don't have God's love in you.

43 I have come ·from my Father and speak for him [L in my Father's name], ·but [or and] you don't ·accept [receive] me. But when another person comes, ·speaking only for himself [L in his own name], you will ·accept [receive] him.



44 You try to ·get praise [receive glory/honor] from each other, but you do not try to ·get the praise [receive glory/honor] that comes from the only God. So how can you believe?



45 Don't think that I will ·stand before the Father and say you are wrong [L accuse you before the Father].


 The one who ·says you are wrong [L accuses you] is Moses, the one ·you hoped would save you [L in whom you hoped].



46 [L For] If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because Moses wrote about me [C in the Torah, the first five books of the OT; for example, Deut. 18:15 quoted in Acts 3:22]. 47 But if you don't believe what Moses wrote, how can you believe what I say?"
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: What is salvation?
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2014, 10:02:37 PM »
I agree that we're inspired by holy spirit through the word of God, but I think inaccurate translations can make it harder to fully understand the meaning of things such as "Gehenna" vs. "hell." I think discovering that made a big difference in how I understood the whole story.

What I was saying was that a person who easily overlooks the many verses on UR will not likely be persuaded by some debated word translations. At least thats what I've experienced..

I agree in the sense that if people "overlook" any scripture, they pretty much have no use for scripture in the first place. But there are some people who see a scripture, but are not able to resolve a seeming conflict with other scripture because they do not understand the definitions of some words. I have had more than a few people contact me from my website and tell me that understanding the definitions of these words has made universal salvation something they could finally embrace.

They wanted to believe it, but they couldn't because they were unable to resolve the problems. Defining the terms can help resolve the problems people see, when they cannot accept universal salvation based on 1 Timothy 4:10

It was the opposite with me when I first became aware of universal reconciliation and tried hard to disprove it. After I became aware of translation issues, the more I read, I finally became convinced it had to be true. I just was amazed that I never heard of it before, but then I realized that's because the church did such a good job of hiding it by forgery in the translation of scripture. Just by changing a few words, the church has changed the whole story. That's why I think translation is something that needs to be seen as important when you're reading scripture even though we need to realize there is no perfect version.

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Re: What is salvation?
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2014, 04:58:52 AM »
I believe we are not saved.....yet.....we are BEING saved....salvation is a process to become....It's hard, It's tough and through much tribulation. Saved is to be healed, made whole, we are being protected, delivered, kept in our walk, under His wing until we are able to fly under His power, spirit. I like the this translation, it brings it into a focus.....the present, now.
CLV(i) 16 For thus God loves the world, so that He gives His only-begotten Son, that everyone who is believing in Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian."

Of course it is only an opinion. :dsunny:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: What is salvation?
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2014, 07:08:49 PM »

Yes the  saving work of the Cross    :flowerred:
 By grace you are saved its the gift of God    , Jesus is the reward !!
 

so many are still bound by the law and are   being judged   by the Law  still   but  when  we   try to do good in the Law  because we love God and he loves us

    the gift of Christ in you the hope of glory comes     reward  make a gift of something to (someone) in recognition of their services, efforts, or achievements.

  Jesus says in the scriptures  we search and think life   is in them , but its really in the Holy Spirit   of Jesus Christ &Father  that the Life is given !!!



36 "But I have a ·proof [testimony; witness] about myself that is ·greater [weightier] than that of John. [L For] The ·things [L works] I do, which are the ·things [L works] my Father gave me to ·do [complete; finish; C the signs and miracles which point to his saving work on the cross], ·prove [testify; witness] that the Father sent me.



37 And the Father himself who sent me has given ·proof [testimony; witness] ·about me [concerning me; on my behalf]. You have never heard his voice or seen ·what he looks like [his form; his outward appearance].



38 His ·teaching [word; message] does not ·live [remain; abide] in you, because you don't believe in the One the Father sent.


 39 You ·carefully study [search; examine] the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. They do in fact ·tell [testify; witness] ·about me [concerning me; on my behalf], 40 but you ·refuse [do not want] to come to me to have that life.



41 "I don't ·need [or accept; receive] ·praise [glory; honor] from people.



42 But I know you—I know that you don't have God's love in you.

43 I have come ·from my Father and speak for him [L in my Father's name], ·but [or and] you don't ·accept [receive] me. But when another person comes, ·speaking only for himself [L in his own name], you will ·accept [receive] him.



44 You try to ·get praise [receive glory/honor] from each other, but you do not try to ·get the praise [receive glory/honor] that comes from the only God. So how can you believe?



45 Don't think that I will ·stand before the Father and say you are wrong [L accuse you before the Father].


 The one who ·says you are wrong [L accuses you] is Moses, the one ·you hoped would save you [L in whom you hoped].



46 [L For] If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because Moses wrote about me [C in the Torah, the first five books of the OT; for example, Deut. 18:15 quoted in Acts 3:22]. 47 But if you don't believe what Moses wrote, how can you believe what I say?"

 :iagree: :iagree:

You cannot find Jesus in scriptures (the old testament)
unless the Holy Spirit reveal Him.

When we read the new testament and Paul instructs ( any one Timothy)
To read and study scriptures, he telling them about the Old testament.
We know this by reading the new testament. 

I believe the great awakening of Jews and their Muslim brothers
will be when the Holy Spirit reveals Jesus the Messiah through the Old testament.
Their scriptures 

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Re: What is salvation?
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2014, 02:45:34 AM »
Perhaps. But perhaps it will occur when, "Every eye shall see Him, even those who pierced Him" :o)
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Re: What is salvation?
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2014, 07:03:11 PM »
Does it mean anything that it was the Romans who pierced him?
Either way the beauty of the Lord is visible for all to see for all eternity.