well.. I think discussion can indeed be frustrating.. It's interesting to hear of other's views.. and there's many, but sometimes there seems to be so many different views about everything, it can be a bit discouraging.. I'll have to come back and read this thread more closely - I just kind of skimmed, because it's late and sleep is calling to me.. but I surely see some interesting things here.. and some new digging into the Hebrew words and viewpoint..
A great rest of the weekend brothers! God bless!
What if there are degrees of understanding shared that is truth to that person , these examples will hopefully prove my point I have been thinking about this and read all of Jones and Joes links on both counts , it is expansive and interesting and not discussed in deep circles often because it is elusive ...
Lets take and egg
Now to the chicken , this egg is her offspring , and her use ,desires to "set " and wait till the day her little one arrives but is no longer an egg so she nurtures her new baby chick
To the person who loves scrambled eggs , she takes the eggs and gathers them and the use for the egg is to eat it / devour it and to them that is their use of the egg
to the rooster , the egg is just an egg
to the chicken snake it is dinner for days
I cannot think of any more uses , but to every purpose the egg hold some weight
As far as the soul goes , I personally just my thoughts here , there is a difference between the soul and spirit in humans from animals
I saw where there are two souls in Jones link , I have heard that before
I think two souls for two different natures one is animal like runs on thoughts and insitncts of desires and the other one is of the divine nature that is godly but this is also from God..
Seeing both natures ,of its kind , one is earthly and the other is of the divine and Father of everything and He purposes both natures according to His will
I can see how how God would allow a nature of a soul /life to run "wild " in the earth for any amount of time , till its use is known
If it be for food or prey or for destroying only to be destroyed its own self in the end
Now separating what is earthly and heavenly in humans is a lot harder to discern than in nature teaching us
After reading 1 Corth 13 last night , it helped showing us all that every purpose and knowledge and prophecy and even faith all have its use and has its end
But Love never does have an end and its purpose is used and endless , so a bigger mystery to me after reading about the soul that Joeteekay wants more clarity about , makes me wonder even more about this Love and God and just how do we use it and obtain more and more of it
After reading 1Coth 13 it seems the the most important thing to Know about God
And to be really honest with everyone here love is one of the hardest things to explain in words that has ever come into the world
All them uses of love expressed is mind boggling , I know souls love , we all have animals that we love and they show love to us back
Its an attitude of bond , we had had dogs on this farm for years and everyone of them show different personalities / character of every soul/life ?
We had one names Sunny Boy and golden retriever that was exceptionally " brilliant " his intelligence and loyalty and love was known by all who met him
We loved him like family , he was family and the empty "spot ' in our hearts when he died left us all mourning even still after years , I know this was a gift
God made us see love in an animal nature that through the experience of a season /age of 11 years and 4 months that without it we would have lacked
a bond that even though he is dead now in body , his " memory "' thought and love with it , that never dies " has not
died with him
we carry him in our hearts still , so I am wondering if the soul is like this nature that if its good we remember , Like Gods gifts to us through Jesus Christ , His one of a kind Son and Gods Son was perfect and is really found in everything and all connected by LIFE in and of
But the bad things are forgotten , though Sunny Boy did not do" bad things " some in both types of nature 's heavenly and earthly do .