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The Holy Spirit is also an angel.
« on: December 18, 2014, 08:27:12 AM »
Hebrew poetry does not use rhyming words but rhyming ideas. Complementary or duplicate descriptions are written in parallel, line by line. This adds helpful insights for translation through word equivalence, and interpretation of difficult phrases by comparison with an easier to understand parallel phrase.
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Psalm 35:5 May they be like chaff before the wind, with the angel of the LORD driving them away;

Chaff=them
Wind= angel of the Lord=HS

What we call HS is holy breath (effect) or holy wind in Hebrew.
So.... HS is also an angel
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Holy Spirit is also an angel.
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2014, 09:15:53 AM »
 :thumbsup:...of which the Lord will consume with the breath of his coming.........

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Re: The Holy Spirit is also an angel.
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2014, 02:15:28 PM »
 :thumbsup:  WW
 
  :thumbsup: Sheila
 
 
 Psalms 34 6 This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him And saved him out of all his troubles.


 7The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear Him,

 And rescues them.



 8O taste and see that the LORD is good;




How blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him!
 
  the  poor in spirit   and humbled of God will be    "lifted up / resurrected from the low place to a higher place "'    and taste Life     which is Gods goodness and protection   though salvation
 
 
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: The Holy Spirit is also an angel.
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2014, 07:39:59 PM »
Hebrew poetry does not use rhyming words but rhyming ideas. Complementary or duplicate descriptions are written in parallel, line by line. This adds helpful insights for translation through word equivalence, and interpretation of difficult phrases by comparison with an easier to understand parallel phrase.
More about that principle can be found here. (click)



Psalm 35:5 May they be like chaff before the wind, with the angel of the LORD driving them away;

Chaff=them
Wind= angel of the Lord=HS

What we call HS is holy breath (effect) or holy wind in Hebrew.
So.... HS is also an angel

I don't see it like that, bro. The word "holy" from the Hebrew "quodesh" and the Greek "hagion" means "set apart." The word "spirit" from the Hebrew "ruach" and the Greek "pneuma," literally "blow-effect," is by implication the imperceptible power of life. "Holy spirit" is the power of God that generated the Christ child in the virgin Mary (Matthew 1:18), inspired the authors of the scriptures (2 Peter 1:21), and lives in us believers (1 Corinthians 3:16). The Hebrew "ruach" and the Greek "pneuma" can also mean a blast of wind, but, when they're used in the context of "spirit," I think they mean the power of God not an "angel" or celestial "messenger." I stopped believing in the Trinity quite a while ago. So I think the only way you could try to personify "holy spirit" would be to say it's the Father. "God is spirit" (John 4:24). I don't believe "holy spirit" is any creature, including a celestial "messenger," or a third person in a mythical godhead established by Roman doctrine for political expediency. It seems to me that Psalms 35:5 is making a figurative comparison not saying the "messenger of Yahweh" is literally the wind. 

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Re: The Holy Spirit is also an angel.
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2014, 07:43:10 PM »
 :iagree:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: The Holy Spirit is also an angel.
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2014, 08:29:34 PM »
You make a lot of assumptions Tom.
I didn't write or mean anything trinity related because I don't believe in a trinity.
Neither did I write it's a creature.
Neither did I write HS is literally the wind. You may click the link to get a better understanding.
Not all messengers are the same. Like all cows are animals, but not all animals are cows.

I think wind in many cases being symbolic for HS is well established in the OT. And in the NT the HS is the messenger between groom and bride.
That Psalms is in rhyme format is also well accepted. Ps 35:5 is no exception.

Wind is certainly associated with life. Just check Gen 6:17

So, I stick to my  :2c:
« Last Edit: December 18, 2014, 08:34:08 PM by WhiteWings »
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Holy Spirit is also an angel.
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2014, 09:20:46 PM »
You said, "Wind= angel of the Lord=HS

What we call HS is holy breath (effect) or holy wind in Hebrew.
So.... HS is also an angel"

"Holy spirit" manifested as a blast of "wind" is in the so called New Testament too, brother, and any "angel" or "messenger" is a creature. The only reason the Trinity came up is because it is a popular personification of "holy spirit." I agree with you when you say, "Not all messengers are the same." There are human "messengers" and celestial "messengers." That's why it's better to translate the Greek "aggelos" as "messenger" rather than "angel." I was simply saying that I don't think "holy spirit" is any kind of "messenger" because I think it is the power of God.   

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Re: The Holy Spirit is also an angel.
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2015, 01:56:41 AM »
Chaff=them
Wind= angel of the Lord=HS

What we call HS is holy breath (effect) or holy wind in Hebrew.
So.... HS is also an angel

Cool. WhiteWings.  You have stumbled upon the Hebrew hermeneutic and used it almost right.  The wind is a symbol of the Angel of the Lord.  THe wind is also the symbol for the Holy spirit, so the Angel of the Lord is the Holy Spirit. Those who disagree are using the Greek hermeneutic.   There is one more step in identifying the מלאך יהוה  'malak yahweh' or 'angel of the Lord' or 'messenger of the Lord'. 

Who is Malachi referring to?

Mal 2:7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he [is] the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

Whoever that is is also the Angel of the Lord.

Disagreements often arise because the methods of interpretation are different.

The word מלאך means 'angel', 'messenger' and 'ambassador'. The primary metaphor is 'the one who is separated, yet joined' represented by the aleph  א to the 'king' מלך. 

Nice to meet you.


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Re: The Holy Spirit is also an angel.
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2015, 09:23:06 AM »
NET Bible
He makes the winds his messengers, and the flaming fire his attendant.

KJ2000
Who makes his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

The wind blows where it wills and you hear the sound of it but you don't know from whence it comes or whither it goes- so it is with everyone who is born of the spirit
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