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Repent
« on: March 30, 2010, 09:17:49 PM »
First the relevant verses

KJVGenesis 6:6  And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
KJVGenesis 6:7  And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
KJVExodus 13:17  And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:
KJVExodus 32:12  Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
KJVExodus 32:14  And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
KJVNumbers 23:19  God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
KJVDeuteronomy 32:36  For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
KJVJudges 2:18  And when the LORD raised them up judges, then the LORD was with the judge, and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge: for it repented the LORD because of their groanings by reason of them that oppressed them and vexed them.
KJVJudges 21:6  And the children of Israel repented them for Benjamin their brother, and said, There is one tribe cut off from Israel this day.
KJVJudges 21:15  And the people repented them for Benjamin, because that the LORD had made a breach in the tribes of Israel.
KJV1 Samuel 15:11  It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.
KJV1 Samuel 15:29  And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
KJV1 Samuel 15:35  And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.
KJV2 Samuel 24:16  And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.
KJV1 Kings 8:47  Yet if they shall bethink themselves in the land whither they were carried captives, and repent, and make supplication unto thee in the land of them that carried them captives, saying, We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness;
KJV1 Chronicles 21:15  And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.
KJVJob 42:6  Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
KJVPsalm 90:13  Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
KJVPsalm 106:45  And he remembered for them his covenant, and repented according to the multitude of his mercies.
KJVPsalm 110:4  The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
KJVPsalm 135:14  For the LORD will judge his people, and he will repent himself concerning his servants.
KJVJeremiah 4:28  For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
KJVJeremiah 8:6  I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle.
KJVJeremiah 15:6  Thou hast forsaken me, saith the LORD, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting.
KJVJeremiah 18:8  If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
KJVJeremiah 18:10  If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
KJVJeremiah 20:16  And let that man be as the cities which the LORD overthrew, and repented not: and let him hear the cry in the morning, and the shouting at noontide;
KJVJeremiah 26:3  If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
KJVJeremiah 26:13  Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.
KJVJeremiah 26:19  Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him at all to death? did he not fear the LORD, and besought the LORD, and the LORD repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them? Thus might we procure great evil against our souls.
KJVJeremiah 31:19  Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
KJVJeremiah 42:10  If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.
KJVEzekiel 14:6  Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.
KJVEzekiel 18:30  Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
KJVEzekiel 24:14  I the LORD have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent; according to thy ways, and according to thy doings, shall they judge thee, saith the Lord GOD.
KJVHosea 11:8  How shall I give thee up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver thee, Israel? how shall I make thee as Admah? how shall I set thee as Zeboim? mine heart is turned within me, my repentings are kindled together.
KJVHosea 13:14  I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
KJVJoel 2:13  And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
KJVJoel 2:14  Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?
KJVAmos 7:3  The LORD repented for this: It shall not be, saith the LORD.
KJVAmos 7:6  The LORD repented for this: This also shall not be, saith the Lord GOD.
KJVJonah 3:9  Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
KJVJonah 3:10  And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
KJVJonah 4:2  And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.
KJVZechariah 8:14  For thus saith the LORD of hosts; As I thought to punish you, when your fathers provoked me to wrath, saith the LORD of hosts, and I repented not:
KJVMatthew 3:2  And saying, repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
KJVMatthew 3:8  Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
KJVMatthew 3:11  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
KJVMatthew 4:17  From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
KJVMatthew 9:13  But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
KJVMatthew 11:20  Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
KJVMatthew 11:21  Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
KJVMatthew 12:41  The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
KJVMatthew 21:29  He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
KJVMatthew 21:32  For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
KJVMatthew 27:3  Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
KJVMark 1:4  John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
KJVMark 1:15  And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
KJVMark 2:17  When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
KJVMark 6:12  And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
KJVLuke 3:3  And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
KJVLuke 3:8  Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
KJVLuke 5:32  I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
KJVLuke 10:13  Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
KJVLuke 11:32  The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
KJVLuke 13:3  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
KJVLuke 13:5  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
KJVLuke 15:7  I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
KJVLuke 15:10  Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
KJVLuke 16:30  And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
KJVLuke 17:3  Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
KJVLuke 17:4  And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
KJVLuke 24:47  And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 09:18:06 PM »
KJVActs 2:38  Then Peter said unto them, repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
KJVActs 3:19  repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
KJVActs 5:31  Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
KJVActs 8:22  repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
KJVActs 11:18  When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
KJVActs 13:24  When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
KJVActs 17:30  And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
KJVActs 19:4  Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
KJVActs 20:21  Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJVActs 26:20  But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
KJVRomans 2:4  Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
KJVRomans 11:29  For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
KJV2 Corinthians 7:8  For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
KJV2 Corinthians 7:9  Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
KJV2 Corinthians 7:10  For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
KJV2 Corinthians 12:21  And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
KJV2 Timothy 2:25  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
KJVHebrews 6:1  Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
KJVHebrews 6:6  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
KJVHebrews 7:21  (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
KJVHebrews 12:17  For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
KJV2 Peter 3:9  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJVRevelation 2:5  Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
KJVRevelation 2:16  repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
KJVRevelation 2:21  And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
KJVRevelation 2:22  Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
KJVRevelation 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
KJVRevelation 3:19  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
KJVRevelation 9:20  And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
KJVRevelation 9:21  Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
KJVRevelation 16:9  And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
KJVRevelation 16:11  And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 09:18:27 PM »
I'm copied some posts from another thread to this one some we can focus a bit on the word repent.
To summarize the discussion of the other thread:
- Can/ does God repent.
- If He does what exactly does the word mean?
- Does it mean He changes His plan according to how His creation (mis)behaves?
- Is repent a correct translation?


I wonder if we are discussing the wrong word. If a word has so many defenition, especially opposite ones, I can't help wondering what defenition to use. And which one was used by Jesus. It's a bit like the aion translations in KJV. Eternal, world etc. But the translation "age" fits in all verses.
So perhaps repent should be replaced by one of the other defenitions and suddenly all verses align...
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 09:18:41 PM »
It's apparently this word - Nacham - which I've looked at before.  It appears to me to be one of those "ancient" words that context of many scriptures and precepts helps define.  With many of orthodoxy's accepted beliefs (God going to Plan B, man having control, etc.) then "repent" at least seems to almost fit.  But in a bigger context of God actually having control of things from the beginning and all the way through, having a Plan A that wasn't thwarted by humanity, etc., then other likely meanings begin to come into focus.  I.e., God knows the end from the beginning, and has predestined things according to His will - He's not just "making it up as He goes" - so definitions more like "grieving", "hurting", "sighing", etc. start to perhaps fit better.  :2c:

Check it out, and maybe others will develop it more.   
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 09:18:55 PM »
IMO, since I believe God knows the end from the beginning;  had one plan that included both Jesus being slain from the foundation of the world and that He would eventually reconcile all back to Himself and become All in All, then the following bolded definitions are worth considering;

from nacham and derivatives -

to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted  
be moved to pity, have compassion
rue, suffer grief
 ease oneself

Maybe even "regret" in a sense;  as in, if I needed to spank my child, I may regret it, but still need and choose to do it - and would likely have known it would be necessary even before I chose to have him/her. 

« Last Edit: March 30, 2010, 09:28:02 PM by WhiteWings »
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 09:19:10 PM »
I must be a defenition that applies to God and man (unless nacham isn't used in all OT verses)
So "have compasion" doesn't seem to fit. => God can have compassion with His creation but I doubt His creation repents out of compassion for God.

"ease oneself" could fit for man but sounds like a changing God..... So option either.

English is not my first language but for me "regret" sounds to much like seeing a fault in your actions => possible for man. Not so for God.

"grief" is only one that fits both God and man. I think the best method is just collect all verses and replace every "repent*" with "grief" as see if the verses still make sense.

*= and all other words translated from nacham.
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2010, 09:29:24 PM »
Hey Whitewings :)

Part of the confusion is that the Hebrew word repent, such as is found in the Greek of Acts 2:38:

Repent, and be baptized...

is not nacham, but shub. The first usage of that word tells us what shub means:

Gen 3:19  By the sweat of your face will you eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For you are dust, and to dust you shall return."

The word picture conveyed is the idea of returning to the tent in which you live, going back home. If my memory serves me right, God is never said to shub, only man is:

Hos 14:1  Israel, return [shub] to Yahweh your God; for you have fallen because of your sin.

Ron
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 09:30:12 PM »
I must be a defenition that applies to God and man (unless nacham isn't used in all OT verses)
So "have compasion" doesn't seem to fit. => God can have compassion with His creation but I doubt His creation repents out of compassion for God.

"ease oneself" could fit for man but sounds like a changing God..... So option either.

English is not my first language but for me "regret" sounds to much like seeing a fault in your actions => possible for man. Not so for God.

"grief" is only one that fits both God and man. I think the best method is just collect all verses and replace every "repent*" with "grief" as see if the verses still make sense.

*= and all other words translated from nacham.
Actually, the idea of grieving is already expressed in another word. For example:

Gen 6:6  Yahweh was sorry [nacham: sighed] that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved[atsab: to be cut] him in his heart. I still think sigh best conveys the idea of nacham, in my opinion.

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 09:30:42 PM »
Howdy Ron  :hithere:

Hebrew in the Greek?

Do you also have such a word picture for nacham? Gen 6:6

BTW I think this deserves its own thread in Word studies.

Yep! Nacham comes out of the parent root word nach, which conveys the picture of the seed (picturing life) with a fence (picturing protection or dividing off). The idea comes from shepherds who stop to rest for the night. Part of what they do is set up an enclosure, a fence of sticks, for the sheep to be protected while they rest. So adding a mem to the end of the word (picturing something strong, such as the sea) completes the idea of sighing, either negatively or positively, because a sigh is a strong exhalation of breath.

Ron
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 09:33:25 PM »
Sounds good in this verse but not in others.
I'm not very convinced. I looked at some possibilities myself but  :thumbdown:
Do you mind if I start a new thread and copy your posts to it?
Sure bro :). Please share with me what verses you don't find very convincing if you don't mind. :)

Thanks
I'll try to make a little list.
But for now I can say that for example "grieved" fits very well in one verse but makes no sense in others.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2010, 09:38:59 PM »
Sorry for spamming, but you used one of my quotes already, but I thought this one was perhaps just as pertinent as the one you used.

"It's apparently this word - Nacham - which I've looked at before.  It appears to me to be one of those "ancient" words that context of many scriptures and precepts helps define.  With many of orthodoxy's accepted beliefs (God going to Plan B, man having control, etc.) then "repent" at least seems to almost fit.  But in a bigger context of God actually having control of things from the beginning and all the way through, having a Plan A that wasn't thwarted by humanity, etc., then other likely meanings begin to come into focus.  I.e., God knows the end from the beginning, and has predestined things according to His will - He's not just "making it up as He goes" - so definitions more like "grieving", "hurting", "sighing", etc. start to perhaps fit better."   :2c:

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Re: Repent
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2010, 10:06:59 PM »
I just overlooked that quote. I think there are more usefull quotes I overlooked.
Let's just hope all relevant things are collected in this thread.
I think 'repent' is a important word that gives a lot of extra knowledge if fully understood.
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« Last Edit: March 30, 2010, 10:20:22 PM by WhiteWings »
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2010, 10:18:55 PM »
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Re: Repent
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2010, 10:19:25 PM »
Yep! Nacham comes out of the parent root word nach, which conveys the picture of the seed (picturing life) with a fence (picturing protection or dividing off). The idea comes from shepherds who stop to rest for the night. Part of what they do is set up an enclosure, a fence of sticks, for the sheep to be protected while they rest. So adding a mem to the end of the word (picturing something strong, such as the sea) completes the idea of sighing, either negatively or positively, because a sigh is a strong exhalation of breath.
I overlooked this one...
Firstly I'm curious how you found that meaning, a whole story :winkgrin: , in that little word.

Jesus is the shepherd and we are the sheep. I lost my wool long ago  :laughing7:
So it means something like: return to/enter the safety of the fence. => Glory/peace/safety of God.

That's something that seems to fit quite nicely for man.
But Father, Son and HS need no shepherd. They are not the sheep mentioned in your facinating word picture.
And that's basicly what I meant a few messages back. It fits nice in one place (when repent is linked to man) but seems totally out of place when linked to Father.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2010, 11:00:06 PM »
A few more or less random verses
Changes in red by me

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Gen 6:6 then it hurts God's heart that he had made man upon the earth, and he pondered it deeply.

LXEGen 6:7 And God said, I will blot out man whom I have made from the face of the earth, even man with cattle, and reptiles with flying creatures of the sky, for it hurts my heart that I have made them.

LXEExo 13:17 And when Pharao sent forth the people, God led them not by the way of the land of the Phylistines, because it was near; for God said, Lest at any time the people hurt their heart when they see war, and return to Egypt.

LXEExo 32:12 Take heed lest at any time the Egyptians speak, saying, With evil intent he brought them out to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from off the earth; hurt your heart from thy wrathful anger, and be merciful to the sin of thy people,

LXEExo 32:14 LXE  Exodus 32:14 And the Lord was prevailed upon to mercy from te heart? his people.

KJVPsa 106:45 And he remembered for them his covenant, and used His heart according to the multitude of his mercies.

LXEJer 26:13 And now amend your ways and your works, and hearken to the voice of the Lord; and the Lord shall ??? heart/mercey from the evils which he has pronounced against you.

KJVRev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and heart felt pain not of their deeds.
I need help with this one. The words I inserted don't seem to fit very well. But if you compare differnt translations you will see that the whole sentece structure often varies between them. What I mean is that it's often not possible to just change  a word and have readeble result...


I think repent means something like "Feel sorry", "broken heart", "compassion"
The reason can vary.
For example you can feel sorry because you did something wrong. But you can also feel sorry you have to do something you don't like doing but must be done to make things better in the long run.
Many don't feel like doing homework but in the long run education certainly pays back those efforts in tenfold.

A father that spanks his child for stealing some apples may feel sad (repent) about it because he has no joy in hurting his child. His child will no longer steal (repents from stealing)
Both repent but only one because he was wrong.
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Repent
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2010, 10:59:47 PM »
Let's just hope all relevant things are collected in this thread.

I think 'repent' is a important word that gives a lot of extra knowledge if fully understood.

May the SPIRIT give you wisdom, discernment, comfort and consolation as you deeply ponder or consider these things; to rend the heart, not the garment, for He is gracious and full of compassion.

"Great is repentance, it brings healing into the world."

A sigh of relief, or a groaning of the heart?

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