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Boe:
in John 11:26:

and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Now I think the word for never here is "aion"

What aion does this refer to?
It's very frustrating when I see the word "never" because I do not know specifically what it is referring to.

willieH:
willieH: Hi Boe!   :welcome: to Tentmaker! :hithere:


--- Quote from: Boe on August 26, 2007, 01:09:26 PM ---in John 11:26:

and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Now I think the word for never here is "aion"

What aion does this refer to?
It's very frustrating when I see the word "never" because I do not know specifically what it is referring to.
--- End quote ---

NEVER is an unfounded English term and is actually quite BOGUS!  For there is NOTHING that can be considered as "NEVER"... it just proposes misunderstanding...

ALL those who JESUS spoke to in the above verse, ...DIED (physically)... therefore the word NEVER in His statement, either meant...

:mnah:   (1) no DEATH at all shall occur for them...  :mnah:  ...or
:mnah:   (2) will not remain DEAD on a continuing basis (eternally)...   :mnah: ...or
:nod:  (3) that they would not EVER die again SPIRITUALLY... for BELIEVING and confessing, has resurrected them from "SPIRITUAL death"...  :nod:

There are TWO DEATHS that ALL DIE...

The 1st Death is of SPIRIT, which CHRIST died (to redeem us from) ...FOR US ALL... 

The 2nd Death is of PHYSICAL, which we ALL DIE for ourselves... (which He did NOT die to redeem us from - for FLESH & BLOOD shall NOT INHERIT the Kingdom of God)

I prefer #3 as the proper understanding of the word (aion) which was translated NEVER... for in observing LIFE... each human being at least dies PHYSICALLY, so He could NOT have been eliminating the DEATH of the FLESH for it not only occured to those He spoke to, but this DEATH, ...continues to occur for EVERY HUMAN BEING...

When we believe Him to be speaking of #3 above... the word NEVER can be understood EVER... and the RESURRECTION of the SPIRIT is then found in the RESURRECTED LIFE of CHRIST, in which there is NO DEATH...

Hope this does not sound confusing Boe...  :blush: it is hard to put into words...  :mblush:

pEAce...  :Sparkletooth:

In  JESUS ...willieH :gamer:

studier:

--- Quote ---NEVER is an unfounded English term and is actually quite BOGUS!  For there is NOTHING that can be considered as "NEVER"... it just proposes misunderstanding...
--- End quote ---

When can you go back in time and change your mistakes? NEVER.
Can you dictate what God does? NEVER.
How long does it take to be perfect within your own power? NEVER.
Never is a real word, it isn't bogus.

As for the AION and NEVER, there is at no time in any age, that you will die if you trust in the Lord. The phrase in John 11, is "ou me eis aion apothnesko". If we translate it word for word, it say ou me="no, not" eis="in, to, into, toward, against, etc." aion = "Age" Literally says, "No no in age" Which makes no sense in English.

It actually says in Greek. "Never at any span of time."

So
John 11:26 says,
And everyone who lives and believes in Me will 'never at any span of time' die. Do you believe this?"

Just as
John 3:16 says
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not die but have eternal life."

Never does mean never.

Boe:
Thank you both. :-)


--- Quote ---Never does mean never.
--- End quote ---
This is quite suprising, I didn't think Universalists thought this.
This does raise problems though, because in Mark 3:28-29 most translations use the word "never" and it is used in a way which would refute the universalist position.




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--- Quote from: Boe on August 28, 2007, 11:00:24 AM ---This is quite surprising, I didn't think Universalists thought this.
This does raise problems though, because in Mark 3:28-29 most translations use the word "never" and it is used in a way which would refute the universalist position.

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Mar 3:28  Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar 3:29  But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

never forgiveness,3756, 859, 1519, 165

phrase comes from 4 words

aiōn is but one.

eternal166 damnation:2920

G166 αιώνιος aiōnios ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).

G2920 κρίσις krisis kree'-sis
(Subjectively or objectively, for or against); by extension a tribunal; by implication justice (specifically divine law): - accusation, condemnation, damnation, judgment.

So what is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

Comes from this clue.

Mar 3:30  Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Attributing the workings of the Holy Spirit to the workings of satan.

Eternal damnation, don't think so but this is a topic on it's own, word choice to support the RCC hell doctrine IMO.

BIC

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