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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2012, 08:40:29 PM »
:cloud9: When God lowered Himself into His creation, He fragmented Himself (the measure of faith He gives every man), thus the command to eat of ALL THE TREES in the garden, EXCEPT the one (carnal beastly mind).

We should not be offended by anything that comes thru anyone, but rather listening for the Spirit to translate the fragment that they possess, out of the kingdom of darkness (carnal mind) and into the kingdom of light (mind of Christ), else we are in the snare of respect of persons, ie. giving place to the flesh and not the Spirit, just as Eve did.

This is why after He fed them the fishes and loaves, the disciples took up (RAISED UP) 12 (the whole of the shewbread that is Christ in man) baskets (feast of Tabernacles) of FRAGMENTS.

Sometimes it's harder to hear thru some more than others, because the "package" gets in the way more, but rest assured that when John said he heard things IN THE 7TH DAY, that were not lawful for men to speak (but the Spirit can speak them), he meant it. My  :2c: Blessings...

I don't think you're saying leelee the apostle was a blessing to the boards that should have stayed around...so can you translate, in simple Spanglish what you're saying, for those of us who can be a little dull of hearing?   :happygrin:

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2012, 08:47:09 PM »
 :cloud9: What I'm saying is, someone's attitude can be a detriment to what they have to share  :winkgrin:, as we just witnessed here.
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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2012, 08:49:10 PM »
I couldn't understand what his thesis was.

Was he saying that people are either good angels incarnate or the devil and his demons incarnate?

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2012, 08:57:41 PM »
:cloud9: What I'm saying is, someone's attitude can be a detriment to what they have to share  :winkgrin:, as we just witnessed here.

Ah, I got it, I got it!    :laugh:

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2012, 08:59:59 PM »
I couldn't understand what his thesis was.

Was he saying that people are either good angels incarnate or the devil and his demons incarnate?

I think he was saying good people are people, bad people are devils.  Therefore, only devils will be "lost"?  However, I thought he was also saying the devils will be redeemed (as in ultimate reconciliation?).    His message may have been loopy, but that could have been discussed.  The other stuff as Card said..not so much.

I've really said enough about moderation issues, because that really can't be a topic for general, open haggling (can be discussed any time in private), but this comes to mind;

As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,  Titus 3:10

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2012, 09:11:01 PM »
I couldn't understand what his thesis was.

Was he saying that people are either good angels incarnate or the devil and his demons incarnate?


That's how it reads to me.

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2012, 09:13:36 PM »
Yeah, looking at it again, I guess so.

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2012, 09:28:39 PM »
I think I'd like to take this opportunity to discuss something.  So we're not just ripping on someone who's not here (or anyone at all, really), maybe we can make it more of a generic person or "type".

I realize we're all human, have our quirks, faults, blind spots, etc.  But when I come across an individual that's out of the normative, falling out there in the extreme, it just puzzles me sometimes.  Where do you think such a thing is coming from?  I.e., when a person knows TONS about the scriptures, apparently studies, cares about at least their version of "the things of God", yet is either so caustic, haughty, divisive etc. that you really can't hear their message for the "noise"; as you're shaking your head thinking "what in the world?",  what do you come up with about such situations?

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2012, 09:34:56 PM »
Where do you think such a thing is coming from? 


An unholy spirit.






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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2012, 09:35:47 PM »
I know Apostle Paul stated he was an apostle, but similar to what eaglesway said - I'm not sure I've ever gotten much from folks who bust through the door announcing their apostleship.  I tend to receive more, and see those more-so as apostles and teachers, who don't present themselves as such, as being some sort of "expert", but rather present in an humble, "I'm just sharing as I see it, I realize I could be missing some things" sort of way.  Those appear more apostolic to me personally than those who want to hang the title on themselves.   :2c:

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2012, 09:39:28 PM »


True...sometimes.
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False humility is as much a sin as false pride.


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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2012, 10:46:43 PM »
I personally really question myself and hesitate.  Knowing one's own motives can be difficult enough, much less presuming to know another's.  Many mistakes can and have been made in attempting to make those judgments - and can become just that - judging. 

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"Humility is defined as, "A quality by which a person considering his own defects has a humble opinion of himself and willingly submits himself to God and to others for God's sake."

Humility is said to be a fit recipient of grace; according to the words of St. James, "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble" (Proverbs 3:34, 1 Peter 5:5, James 4:6 NIV).[3]

"True humility" is distinctly different from "false humility" which consists of deprecating one's own sanctity, gifts, talents, and accomplishments for the sake of receiving praise or adulation from others, as personified by Uriah Heep. In this context legitimate humility comprises the following behaviors and attitudes:

Submitting to God and legitimate authority
Recognizing virtues and talents that others possess, particularly those that surpass one's own, and giving due honor and, when required, obedience
Recognizing the limits of one's talents, ability, or authority."   wikipedia (that bastion of truth)

I believe sometimes a person can be working on humbling themselves before God, battling the flesh etc. in an honest manner (not attempting to receive praise and adulation) and that could possibly be perceived as false humility.   Or even vice-versa, i.e., someone may really know their stuff, and be wrongly perceived as prideful. 

I guess as with most things, it can become complicated.
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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2012, 10:58:21 PM »


Humility rules the Kingdom, and let him who boasts boast in the Lord!

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2012, 10:58:38 PM »
all the more reason we need to ask for and receive guidance from the Lord.   :2c:

and amen to your comment.

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2012, 11:02:14 PM »

Give us this day our daily bread.

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2012, 04:44:54 AM »
What he was saying, primarily, was that he was a wise master builder and that anyone who disagreed with his systematic theology was in error and in danger of discipline from the Holy Spirit.

This testimony, with which I have been very familiar over the years, is false- except when it is true.LOLOL

I just havent run into one where it was tru yet, or else if I did, he/she was moving in such love and humility I didnt see/hear it. LOLOL

Our Lord has sown among us diversity in order to prevent anyone achieving "preeminence over the brethren."

He has sown among us factious ones so that He might demonstrate those who are approved.

In my particular case, the Lord has counseled me(this is my belief, I ask no one to take my word for it ;o) to test anyone who calls themself apostle. To test them immediately and thoroughly.

leelee was no apostle. The fire exposes all that is hidden in darkness- but it also transforms it, eventually :o), into light.

Having, at sundry and various times, been an egoist storming around the courts of the Lord seeking my own way- I have nothing but the sincerest compassion for others caught in this snare of the devil, for I know first hand, the kind of beating it takes to get such a one to release this image of themselves(the head of gold), and begin to move in meekness.

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Re: Whole Counsel of God - Substantive Predestination
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2012, 03:30:44 PM »
 :cloud9: Good post, eaglesway.... :thumbsup:
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