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Offline erwan

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revelation 21:3
« on: October 19, 2012, 06:13:29 PM »
i have already asked this question on another forum , and maybe already on this one
revelation 21:3 young's literal translation: " WILL tabernacle with them" "SHALL be his" "SHALL be with them"
is there different kind of future in greek between the "WILL" and "SHALL" ?
thank you for very much your help

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Re: revelation 21:3
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 08:31:46 PM »
somebody said me that God the father will (without the son) tabernacle
and God (father and son) SHALL be with men
What do you think ?

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Re: revelation 21:3
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 11:46:49 PM »
(Rev 21:3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.

(John 1:14) And the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at His glory, a glory as of an only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

I think it means Jesus is the Tabernacle/booth/tent/hut so Jesus will be here.
"And God himself will be with them"
Father also. I'm not sure it means 'personally' or dwelling within Jesus. :dontknow:


 
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: revelation 21:3
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2012, 09:33:05 PM »
and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying'NOW THE DWELLING OF GOD IS WITH MEN, AND

HE WILL LIVE WITH THEM.THEY WILL BE HIS PEOPLE,AND GOD HIMSELF WILL BE WITH THEM

  AND BE THEIR GOD....

   God created man for His spirit to dwell in[not evil contrast spirit to sit in men as an abomination]

   I did not see a temple in the city, because....the Lord God and the Lamb are it's temple..........union

  of man with God is what it is all about.

  when Jesus prayed for his disciples..He prayed for them to enjoy the same oneness with God that He enjoyed

     the complete unity of mind heart and body with God[spirit]

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Re: revelation 21:3
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2012, 10:56:26 PM »
(Rev 21:3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.

(John 1:14) And the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at His glory, a glory as of an only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

I think it means Jesus is the Tabernacle/booth/tent/hut so Jesus will be here.
"And God himself will be with them"
Father also. I'm not sure it means 'personally' or dwelling within Jesus. :dontknow:

Wherever two or more gather in my name, there will I be also.

Whatever two or more of you agree upon in My name, my Father will do for you.

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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Re: revelation 21:3
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2012, 11:15:21 PM »
I have no clue what you are saying EW  :dunno2:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: revelation 21:3
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2012, 11:50:56 PM »
WW last 2 verses EW quotes are from John chap 17
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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Re: revelation 21:3
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 05:15:16 AM »
I was saying amen to your post in my inscrutable(accidently) way HAHAHAHA

and adding a little clarification to - the Father in Jesus and Jesus in us- tabernacle effect :o)
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Re: revelation 21:3
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2012, 08:47:20 AM »
Ok EW. :mblush:

I'm still wondering about Tabernacle.
A tabernacle was a hut made of twigs and stuff. Jews lived in them for 7 days. Even today. See picture.

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Jews all over the world begin constructing small huts or booths (Sukkot) starting at the end of the Yom Kippur holiday. By the time Feast of Tabernacles begins five days later, they are able to spend time or dwell in these booths. Sukkot are constructed with a very temporary theme in mind and are to be crudely built, sometimes with branches for roofs. On a clear night, a person can sit inside the Sukkah and look through the sparsely placed branches to the stars and be reminded of the promise God told Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars in the heavens (Genesis 26:4).


The tabernacle always had a temporarily character. Inferior building quailty. And the first tought any Dutchy has "roof  leaks"  :banana:

That hut is a pattern. What does it tell about all the Tabernacle verses relating to the Son (and Father).
Jesus body is still a "temporary/inferior construction"?




1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: revelation 21:3
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2012, 02:57:08 AM »
Yes it was, but so was the temple, and so are we- as living stones, fitly joined together in the bond of peace by the mortar of brotherly love, built upon heavenly foundations upon the chief cornerstone into a habitation of God in the spirit. :)
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