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Kratos:
This is one of those times when I just have to speak what is on my heart and let the chips fall where they may. My disclaimer is that I mean this toward no one in particular other than myself.

I will forever be thankful that God revealed to me the truth about UR and the lie of ET. To do this, He showed me how men of old mistranslated words like "eternal" and "Hell" because a man of the Word like myself could never have seen this light in spite of what the Bible says no matter what I thought of God. I could only see it when I could see it in the original languages of the Bible.

My concern is that taking this one false foundational stone out of our Christianity seems to have made it too easy to question many other things that we just do not "think" sounds right to us. Except now, we do not have to prove what we question in light of the original translations of the Bible, we can just trust our feelings of what is true over the written Word. If you have followed my posts, this may work for some, but it does not work for me.

In the last few months, I have heard there is no free will, no virgin birth, no Satan, no demons, no 5-fold ministry, and no need for assembling together in person with a local body of believers. I have heard medical science exalted over God's healing power and man's ideas of mental illness exalted over what the Bible says is not natural, but spiritual in nature. Mainly, I have heard that the Bible is not really the Word of God unless what we read is what we already think that the Spirit is saying.

I honestly do not know how much longer I can go this way with you all. I seem to post less and less and shake my head more and more. Why? Because I believe that the unsaved soul of man is still the knowledge of good and evil and it still brings spiritual death. Spending our time at that tree discussing what we think and what we feel is right and what we have decided to do instead of going to the other tree of life and seeing what saith the Lord is not good for people of God.

I know most of you will shake your heads that I am so archaic and orthodox and not moving with the times, but some of you know what I am saying. This is a supernatural life that we are supposed to be living. Expecting and seeing miracles should be the norm. Healing the sick and raising the dead and casting out devils and proclaiming the Kingdom is what we should be about and not tearing apart the Bible as we exalt our insight over His oversight.

Does anyone else believe that the heart of man is deceitfully wicked and no one can know it? Does anyone else know that the Mystery of Iniquity is what is hidden from us and revealed by God's Word? I for one am bothered that I seem to have so much in common with atheists and so little in common with the rest of Jesus' Body. I think we may have thrown out the baby with the bathwater and the bathtub and the towels and the soap and the bathroom sink. We are liable to be left with no sure foundation other than what we think God is like. Why is this different than any unbeliever on earth?

John

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--- Quote from: Kratos ---My concern is that taking this one false foundational stone out of our Christianity seems to have made it too easy to question many other things that we just do not "think" sounds right to us. Except now, we do not have to prove what we question in light of the original translations of the Bible, we can just trust our feelings of what is true over the written Word. If you have followed my posts, this may work for some, but it does not work for me.
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I say hear hear to this.  One of the issues I had when 1st coming to Tentmaker was the variance of beliefs/understanding and yes they were a stumbling block for me initially.  Even through this the HS was faithful and showed me where the pearls of wisdom were.  I too have seen that once everything is questioned we may come to the same conclusion as Atheists, however what I see here is a place where the tough questions can be asked.  We have seen difference of opinion from light side topics to the dark side and I believe we all see only darkly and no one has the answers.

But where do we draw the line or can we draw the line is probably a better question?

Foundational, all here hold to believe in Jesus and the fundamental issues regarding the Christian faith.  We need to realise Tentmaker represents cultures from around the world so culture bias does exist.  So far noname and I to my knowledge are the only South Africans and both of us can tell you that what seems to be the bias in the states is not so prevalent in our culture.  Here the known predominant faith is Christianity in its various doctrines and the closest we have here to UR is one Christadelphian church.

There is a USA influence particularly in the English speaking Charismatic and Pentecostal churches.

Most topics discussed here at tent are avoided here at home.


--- Quote ---In the last few months, I have heard there is no free will, no virgin birth, no Satan, no demons, no 5-fold ministry, and no need for assembling together in person with a local body of believers. I have heard medical science exalted over God's healing power and man's ideas of mental illness exalted over what the Bible says is not natural, but spiritual in nature. Mainly, I have heard that the Bible is not really the Word of God unless what we read is what we already think that the Spirit is saying.
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I think some have expressed opinions in his regard but I do not believe these have been dispelled.  For me free will exists apart from salvation as I have posted many times, the virgin birth to me although prophetic to me is not hypercritical, satan exists, demons exist.  For the 5-fold ministry, to me it is a cliche that I have seen little here of what it really is supposed to be, assembling together for me is this forum as in my town I have no body I can join with that I have not already been to and been disappointed with.

Mental illness can be demoniac or a physical condition, both of which are able to be healed by the Holy Spirit.  Conditions such as depression cannot always be healed, we all know that, sometimes these things require counselling and/or medication.  Medication will treat the symptoms or dull them but only counselling gets to the root cause of these matters.  Our joy should be in the Lord yet when Christians are depressed, they look for a quick-fix and sometimes that is just not possible.  I have seen trained church counsellors fail, what then?  We cannot fix what the person does not want fixed themself.  The nature of man is to defer blame and/or responsibility.  Only once a person accepts co-responsibility can God and/or counsellors be of help.  This IMO would be the same as an alcoholic or drug addict and that includes prescription drugs.  Admission is half the battle/healing won.  Only having experienced the latter two, can I pass comment.


--- Quote ---I know most of you will shake your heads that I am so archaic and orthodox and not moving with the times, but some of you know what I am saying. This is a supernatural life that we are supposed to be living. Expecting and seeing miracles should be the norm. Healing the sick and raising the dead and casting out devils and proclaiming the Kingdom is what we should be about and not tearing apart the Bible as we exalt our insight over His oversight
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I agree 100%  We live this Christianity only successfully in the Spirit and not in the carnal sense.  We are all IMO somewhere on the scale of Pure carnality to Pure Spirituality.  At this point in my walk I am learning and sense I am being prepared for something later which will be more in the natural interaction other than this medium.

I do not see your views as archaic or orthodox.  You are here for a reason.


--- Quote ---Does anyone else believe that the heart of man is deceitfully wicked and no one can know it? Does anyone else know that the Mystery of Iniquity is what is hidden from us and revealed by God's Word? I for one am bothered that I seem to have so much in common with atheists and so little in common with the rest of Jesus' Body. I think we may have thrown out the baby with the bathwater and the bathtub and the towels and the soap and the bathroom sink. We are liable to be left with no sure foundation other than what we think God is like. Why is this different than any unbeliever on earth?

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Deceitfully wicked, yes, it is our inherent nature. I agree that only the Holy Spirit can burn into our hearts the truth, what we share here is what is revealed to us, some see things other do not, I do not believe that there is a right or wrong when we start seeing the deeper onion layers as they are revealed.  The more one dedicates to study the more will be revealed.  The problem lies when one embraces a teaching or revelation of another person w/o having the HS witness that to you in your heart, that is the danger of wrong doctrine.  In spite of this, I am confident there are enough people here that challenge these issues even if it becomes heated.  Through that I am confident that young one will see truth for what it is and not for what "feels good"

We have common grounds with Atheists only in the ET issues.  I have yet to see one agree with me apart from that.  They still hold to their unbelief.

 We have much in common with the rest of the body apart from about 5 major issues.  If you read what I believe here you will see what I mean.  I should bump it up.

It may seem that we have trashed the whole bathroom but deep inside, we all hold to certain truths we learned in the mainstream.  Most who come here are already established.

For me this is the only place where complacency is not evident, we continually need to evaluate, renew our minds, strengthen our faith in Christ.

Blessings

hopeful:
Please, hang in there, John!  :ok:
I hope you can just keep being you-
letting Christ shine through you in His unique to you way.
Then we can walk in the light together. 
We're all different shades aren't we? 
And I like them all.

I think some folks have
to get down to the bare foundation and rebuild.
For some- that takes a long time and Christ's love and patience
through me, will go a long way in the waiting.  :whistleshake:
 
If Christ isn't their foundation then I want people to find that out-
because they're missing out if that is the case. 
The sooner they can see the need for that sure Foundation,
the happier I'll be!

 :HeartThrob:
Hopeful

Cardinal:
 :cloud9: Amen Hopeful, don't leave John. Part of what you are seeing is the difference in the Apostle and prophet being birthed/used. The apostle is the solid rock, the firm foundation that Judah springs from. The prophets have to go "out there" further in the Spirit, seeing "new" things that really aren't new at all, and then have to wait for them to be "translated" and settled and sifted, by the Holy Spirit. They NEED the grounding of the apostle for this process to work properly, else they become unbalanced and end up with no firm foundation established.

The written Word itself is an apostle, the Spirit Word is a prophet, and just as it takes the two to birth anything worthwhile, so too, does it take both in a people gathered to come together and raise up the pillar of cloud that is the Son in the midst of them. This is the cloud we are to meet Him in. We can't have one of the "cherubim" leaving us, now can we? There is not one person on this board that is here by accident, and that most definitely includes YOU. Love and blessings to you, my friend......

Kept:
Be you! Only you can be and do what you are called to do and be uniquely! God has set the stones in the walls. He alone forms and fashions them and places them.

John you are amazing, I feel blessed to even know you. No one can be you on Tentmaker or the athiest board, glad you are you.

kept

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