willieH, chuckt and WhiteWings, I want to thank you all for your great thought out answers to the question that has puzzled me. And if you have any more insight to this question I would LOVE
to hear it!!!
But I have to point this question and statement towards willieH, since he has brought up some seriously in depth and unorthodox ways of thinking that may in fact be totally correct,…..IMHO!
First off willieH, I have to say that you knocked my socks off!!!
In what you first pointed out about Aion and Aionios, I already knew. Aion really means an age or a period of time that is undisclosed. I only wrote “eternal” because that is what the MIS-Translators wrote. But I know that it is NOT eternal. But I thank you for pointing it out to me anyway, just in case I did not know it.
I have ONE issue that I disagree with you on and that is when you state: “As I see it, the "age abiding" thing has to do with this realm... and an "age" can be "limitless" TIME.. or it can be a MOMENT.”
The reason being is because I believe the Word of God PROVES that an Aion cannot be timeless or limitless. Here are some examples from L. Ray Smith:
BEFORE the aions:
I Cor. 2:7--
... before the eons ...
... before the ages...
God MAKES the aions
... makes the eons.
... made the ages.
... hid from eons...
... from the ages ...
... the present wicked eon ...
... present age ... an evil one
END of present aion:
... conclusion of the eon ...
... conclusion of the age...
The NEXT aion:
... the eon to come ...
... age that is coming ...
... the oncoming eons ...
... ages that should come ...
... the eon of the eons...
... age of the ages ...
ENDS of the aions:
... the consummations of the eons ...
... the ends of the ages ...
So to me, this proves that an Aion cannot be limitless. It always has an end and always has a beginning. It was a little puzzling since you SEEMED to make it clear that you thought that an Aion had a beginning and an end at another point of you writing. Maybe I just misunderstood some of what you said.
Anyway, on to what you said that I think is VERY, VERY thought provoking!
First off I have Got to say that "TIME is the FIRE in which we burn" is one of the most Brilliant group of words that I have ever heard!!!!!
IT makes SO much sense!!!!
You make a reference to time being long for one person and short for another. And I understand what you say. As the man with his hand on a stove and a man hugging his child, TIME is a totally different experience for each.
The next interesting thing you bring up is that Punishment is: NOT KNOWING GOD!
That would make sense if we are saying that THIS is the lake of fire, since GOD’S definition of Aionios life is Knowing God
, it SHOULD be logical that NOT KNOWING GOD is Aionios punishment.
OK,…..so I am with you up until this point. But WHY does God state that he gives Aionios life to Chosen and Aionios correction to Non-Chosen and THEN mentions that he gives Aionios life to ALL that have been given to him?? Which is THE ALL anyway.
It seems kind of a messy way to explain things don’t you think?
Ok, so IF I am understanding you correctly, and if this life is the LOF. We are either chosen to believe or not to believe. Once this is done, we die.
Now what happens??
Is it just our FLESH that is keeping us back from being perfect? When will the “ALL” have their Aionios life?? Will it be after they die? I thought we are to put on immortality after death, which would SEEM to rule out any Aionios life. Because why would the NON believer need an Aionios life if once they died they had put on immortality?
********OH!!!! But that is right,….Aionios life is Believing in God and Jesus Christ, so even if it were AFTER death it COULD be considered Aionios life!!!
So that once we die, even the NON Chosen will fall right in line with God because their FLESH is gone?
Everyone’s sins are paid for through Jesus Christ. There is NO NEED for any more of that.
So is that IT!!??
IF SO,….I SAY COOL BEANS!!!
I would be amazed if that were the way it was. I could never figure out why God would punish anyone for NOT believing when he is the one who made someone believe or NOT believe in the first place.
Man may devise but God directs his steps,…and I have chosen you and NOT you have chosen me. No man seeks after God,…NO NOT ONE!!
But being on this planet and having to play the part of the “GOOD GUY” or the “BAD GUY” is just a role given to us by God. And once all is said and done, we will ALL be with God and he will be ALL IN ALL!!
I think I have my loose strings almost all tied up!!
If you, or anyone else, thinks I am “Off Base” on what I have said, please let me in on it!!
Thank you all.
And thank you willeH!
Please keep more information coming if you wish!