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j.:

--- Quote from: j1e9b5j4 on August 07, 2012, 12:33:36 PM ---We are being told that religious scholars and preachers are refraining from teaching about hell because they have come to believe that there is no hell. In Luke chapter 16 Jesus references hell in the parable of the rich man and the beggar named Lazarus. Luke writes in verses 23 and 24 that Jesus said, "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."
Also, John writes in Revelation Chapter 20 verses 13 and 14 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

I'll stick with John and Jesus. There is a hell.

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Ask yourself this: if death and hell were cast into the lake of fire, then can hell still exist?

And before you tell me the lake of fire is hell, let me ask you this: If I throw a roll of duct tape into a basket, is the duct tape the basket?

As far as the parable goes (and please do not miss that it was a parable and never meant to be taken literally), please note that salvation isn't mentioned once, it was directed toward the Pharisees, and that if we are to take it literally, the only way to heaven is to be poor, eat crumbs from the table, and let the dogs lick our wounds. Sound like the "plan of salvation" to you?

There is no such thing as hell. God is the Savior of ALL mankind, especially those who believe. Period.

WhiteWings:

--- Quote from: reFORMer on August 16, 2012, 03:41:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: j1e9b5j4 on August 07, 2012, 12:33:36 PM ---I'll stick with John and Jesus. There is a hell.

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Anyone who says something like this reveals their unlearned condition. 
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Or their twisted mind.
The Pharisees in Jesus time were learned men who had a good grasp on Scripture.
They saw Jesus performing miracles. They even believed it were true miracles. So far so good. But they attributed those miracles to satan.

Today the Pharisees are replaced by the church that claims it is orthodox.
They attribute the absolute success  (spiritual miracle) of Jesus to satanic interpretation.

reFORMer:
WW,  I think you mean to say, "the church that claims it is orthodox," rather than, "The Orthodox Church," which to many means particular demoninations in the Eastern Orthodox Churches, including the Greek and the Russian Orhodox.  I tend to call it things like, "Mainstream institutional Christianity that considers itself to be the righteous arbiter of faith and practice for the rest of the Christian world."  To the best of my recollection, this is the first time I've called it just that.  These things aren't an exact science.

WhiteWings:
Correct. Editted.

eaglesway:
There is a lake of fire, albeit an image representing a spiritual reality that is interpretable through the other scriptures in a variety of ways.

There never was a hell, and is no such thing as Hell, or Hades.

There is  SHEOL, the word incorrectly translated first as HADES, by the Greeks, then INFERNO by the Romans, and then HELL, by the English, who were linguisticly influenced by the Jutes and Danes and Vikings for whom HEL was their mythological underworld.

In Hebrew thought, there never was a HELL of fire.

In early Christian thought fire CONSUMES DARKNESS, REVEALS SECRETS, PURIFIES THE METAL

The idea of hades/hell was already in existence among the Greeks and Romans before Christ, but HELL never existed in Christian language until the 15th century- a word coined by the English as they perpetuated the INFERIOR SCHOLARSHIP AND PREJUDICED SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY OF THEIR PREDECESSORS ACCORDING TO THE EDICT OF CORRUPT KING JAMES RELIGIONISTS.
 
There is the FIRE OF GOD which is LIGHT and CONSUMES DARKNESS which is HATE, which will be REVEALED BY FIRE which is LIGHT, which is LOVE _ Which is why all things are being reconciled by THE BLOOD OF HIS CROSS, for, IF I BE LIFTED UP I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME.

God is light, God is love, God is a consuming fire

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