So You Say Prove To Me There Is A God

[ItIsFinished]

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy

        Benjamin Franklin (I think), with Martin Luther and his sidekick Philip Melanchton in agreement I suppose!

[WhiteWings]

In that case you found an error in the Bible 

Psalm 30:5 Weeping may last for the night, but there is a song of joy in the morning.

But if you add beer to the mix the song is in the evening and the sorrow/headache in the morning 

[lizzybeth]

I kind of ran into this with my aunt. She's a conservative Christian that's very set in her ways. She loves me very much, even though we disagree on a lot of things.

I remember how she told me that they found evidence that Jesus resurrected from the dead... and to me it just seemed kind of silly. Like, I don't need evidence because I already believe it. It's based on my faith... I don't need evidence to believe in it. lol.

But, I am super logical on the other hand. I had a lot of issues with religion over the years. I still do. I believe in Jesus and that we was divine, but I still have issues with the idea that he had to die to save us from our sins... or that he had to save us from our sins to begin with. I always came to the logical conclusion that if we asked for forgiveness, God would forgive us regardless. Of course, that kind of disagrees with most Christianity on some points. People have attacked me over it before. In the end, I reconcile my doubts with the idea that Jesus is our way shower. I think that he literally did come to show us how to get to heaven, by teaching us to dwell in love and dwell in God. Eh... it might not be the right believe. But, I've told Jesus countless times how I have trouble with some things like this.. and I still feel his love today, so I know he loves and accepts me, even if some my views may be wrong (I think everyone probably has views that are wrong on some points... I don't think anyone living knows the complete truth of the vastness that is God.)

Sorry, this got so off topic. On the idea of atheism. I could never believe it. It just seems like such a dreary way to live your life! What point is there if you think this is all there is? How can someone exist day to day if they think there is nothing else... no higher self or higher power, whatever someone decides to call God.

edit for a typo.... lol

[SQ]

I am enjoying your posts lizzybeth. 

[lizzybeth]

Thanks. It's so nice to feel accepted and loved by fellow Christians, even if some of what I believe may be different. 

I feel like I do when I ask Jesus at night to just accept and love me for who I am, even if I'm not right and not perfect and my understanding of things is probably flawed. lol

[rosered]

Hey Gals .. hee hee      Good to see ya SQ 
 
  I to have been reading your Posts Lizzybeth  and I also feel the same way you do about being perfect , I think only God can  decide who is and who is not perfect / Complete in Him , till He gets done with us we wait upon the Lord   ..
 
 and
  I am not perfect by no means , till the Lord finishes His work in us all ,
 be blessed sis 

[WhiteWings]

I am not perfect by no means , till the Lord finishes His work in us all ,

The work on Rose Red is never finished. If the work stops the house dies 

[shawn]

The existence of God cannot be proven scientifically. Nor does it need to be. It can, however be discussed from a philosophical standpoint. The ancient philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle accepted the existence of God based on philosophical reasoning.

Plato reasoned that the universe could not have been created out of nothing. (Ex Nihilo)

Aristotle held that a "prime mover" or "unmoved mover" must have set the universe in motion.

Parmenides said that "nothing can come from nothing".

The essence of these arguments is that, even traced back to its earliest form, the highly compressed single ball of matter that exploded to create the universe had to have come from somewhere. Where? Creationism gets too specific and literal for me. I prefer not to limit God in His ability to create the universe as He saw fit. Understanding it starts with understanding the purpose for it. (Our being here in the first place) That is a much deeper matter.

The problem is that creationists have tried to argue that it is a science. It is not a science.

Agreed belief in God does not come from science.  We can not prove the existance of God.  With that said, I can't look at a tree and not see God.  When I wake up in the morning I feel God's presence...well maybe after my coffee.     I have seen his handiwork through my life and need no further convincing.

[thinktank]

Perhaps science will one day prove the existence of God, I don't think it would convert many though.