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Hey Gals .. hee hee  :icon_flower:    Good to see ya SQ  :thumbsup:
  I to have been reading your Posts Lizzybeth  and I also feel the same way you do about being perfect , I think only God can  decide who is and who is not perfect / Complete in Him , till He gets done with us we wait upon the Lord   ..
  I am not perfect by no means , till the Lord finishes His work in us all ,
 be blessed sis  :HeartThrob:


--- Quote from: rosered on March 23, 2010, 04:00:53 PM ---I am not perfect by no means , till the Lord finishes His work in us all ,
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The work on Rose Red is never finished. If the work stops the house dies  :laughing7:


--- Quote from: alihaymeg on December 13, 2008, 08:25:33 AM ---The existence of God cannot be proven scientifically. Nor does it need to be. It can, however be discussed from a philosophical standpoint. The ancient philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle accepted the existence of God based on philosophical reasoning.

Plato reasoned that the universe could not have been created out of nothing. (Ex Nihilo)

Aristotle held that a "prime mover" or "unmoved mover" must have set the universe in motion.

Parmenides said that "nothing can come from nothing".

The essence of these arguments is that, even traced back to its earliest form, the highly compressed single ball of matter that exploded to create the universe had to have come from somewhere. Where? Creationism gets too specific and literal for me. I prefer not to limit God in His ability to create the universe as He saw fit. Understanding it starts with understanding the purpose for it. (Our being here in the first place) That is a much deeper matter.

The problem is that creationists have tried to argue that it is a science. It is not a science.

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Agreed belief in God does not come from science.  We can not prove the existance of God.  With that said, I can't look at a tree and not see God.  When I wake up in the morning I feel God's presence...well maybe after my coffee.   :winkgrin:  I have seen his handiwork through my life and need no further convincing.

Perhaps science will one day prove the existence of God, I don't think it would convert many though.

Robert Sparks:

--- Quote from: jabcat on December 13, 2008, 08:41:38 AM ---PROPHECIES FULFILLED BY JESUS CHRIST


The Old Testament, written over a 1,000 year period, contains over 300 references to the coming Messiah. All of these were fulfilled in Jesus Christ, and they established a solid confirmation of His credentials as the Messiah; the Anointed One (King; Priest; Saint); Intercessor (to release or deliver; help; meet; seek; accompany).


Many of the prophecies concerning the messiah were totally beyond human control:

Birth: Place, time, manner of.

Death: Peoples reactions, piercing of side, burial

Resurrection: Where did His body go?

By using the modern science of probability in reference to just eight of these prophecies --- the chance that any man might have lived to fulfill all eight prophecies is one in one hundred trillion!


To illustrate this: If we take 100 trillion silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas, they would be two feet deep. Now we mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly --- all over the state. Now blindfold a man and let him travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick only one silver dollar. What chance would he have of picking the right one? The same chance that the prophets would have of writing just eight of these prophecies and having them all come true for any one man --- if they had written them without God's inspiration!


The chance of any one man fulfilling all of 48 prophecies is one in 10 to the 157 power. The electron is about as small an object as we can imagine. if we had a cubic inch of these electrons and tried to count them, it would take us (at 250 per minute) 19,000 time 19,000 time 19,000 years to count them. Now mark one of them, and thoroughly stir it into the whole mass. What chance does our blindfolded man have of finding the right electron? --- The same chance as one man of fulfilling 48 of the prophecies about Christ, without being the Son of God!

Jesus Christ fulfilled every prophecy written about the coming Messiah --- over three hundred of them! Would that have been possible had He not been the Son of God?


Here is a short listing of some of the hundreds of prophecies concerning Christ:


Linage Genesis 3:15; 9:26: 22:18; 26:4; 28:14; 49:10; 2 & Samual 7:12-16

Son of God Psalm 2:6-7

Virgin birth Isaiah 7:14

Birthplace Micah 5:2

Piercing of side Zechariah 12:10

Darkness Psalm 22:2

Vinegar Psalm 69:21

Mocking Psalm 22:6-8

Nakedness Psalm 22:17

Gambling for clothes Psalm 22:18

Unbroken bones Psalm 34:20

Burial Isaiah 53:9

Resurrection Psalm 16:10; Hosea 6:2; Psalm 30:3,9; Isaiah 53:10

Assention to right hand of God Psalm 110:1; 68:18; Proverbs 30:4; 24:3-10

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Jesus only fulfilled half of the prophecies concerning the Messiah. One reason why Jews don't accept Jesus is their argument that he only fulfilled half of the Messianic Prophecies. The reason why this is is because there are what appear to be 2 Messiahs in the Old Testament. The suffering servant and the Lion of Judah. Jesus fulfilled the suffering servant role and will fulfill the Lion of Judah prophecies when he returns. The Jews couldn't imagine the same Messiah who comes, leaves and then comes back and thus the confusion. When Christ came they were expecting the Lion not the Lamb. Who would wait for and hope for the arrival of a suffering servant? It wasn't the popular Messiah to expect but that's who came fulfilling half of the prophecies.


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