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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2014, 09:22:49 AM »
What you call the church is not the church. The ecclesia, the called out ones, the gathering, the body- which is the fulness of Him who fills all in all- that is the only church.

"I know that you have a name that lives, but you are the synagogue of Satan"
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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2014, 09:22:47 PM »
Ronny, welcome to the Tent!  :friendstu: :gimmefive: :friendstu:  I enjoyed your testimony very much.  Glad to have you!  :cloud9:


Ronny to Lazarus:
Thank you. :-)

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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2014, 09:30:20 PM »
What you call the church is not the church. The ecclesia, the called out ones, the gathering, the body- which is the fulness of Him who fills all in all- that is the only church.

"I know that you have a name that lives, but you are the synagogue of Satan"
:thumbsup:

 Amen the called out  ones
 
 called out of the world   John 15

18"And if the world hates you, know that it hated me before you."


 19"And if you had been from the world, the world would have loved its own;

but you are not from the world, but I have chosen you from the world; because of this the world hates you."



20"Remember the word that I have spoken to you, that there is no servant greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also; if they have kept my word, they will also keep yours."

 21"They will do all these things among you because of my name, because they do not know him who has sent me."

 22"If I did not come speaking with them, they would have no sin, but now there is no covering for their sin.


" 23"Whoever hates me hates my Father also."

 24"If I had not done the works in their sight which no other man had done, they would not have sin, But now they have seen and hated me and my Father also. 25That the word which is written in their law may be fulfilled: 'They hated me for nothing.' "

26"But when The Redeemer of the accursed comes, him whom I shall send to you from the presence of my Father, The Spirit of Truth, he who proceeds from the presence of my Father, he shall testify concerning me."

 27"You also are testifying, who are with me from the beginning." :flowerred:
 

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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2014, 09:51:07 PM »
The church is part of the world system.


Lazarus to Tom:
Yes, it is.  Your words above jelled my thinking as I realized that most churches (if not all of them) are run on a business model, and having IRS agents tell them what they can and cannot say from the pulpit in keep their precious tax exemption makes them a de-facto State Church.  World system indeed!  Doctrine can get awfully worldly too... :sigh:

Ronny to Lazarus:
I wonder if most local churches are denominational churches? And then there are the really huge mega churches,that I've heard about. Somehow,I've got the idea that most of the latter are independent and not denominational type churches. Don't know if that's right of not?

The church I grew up in,was a very small independent,nondenominational type church. And the only ones we claimed kin too,were those local churches just like us in belief and teaching. I was brought up in that Calvinist type church,being taught that we and those exactly like us in belief,constituted the one and only true church of God. When I was around 14 years old,I was shocked when my Mom told me that our pastor was wrong, in his belief about who the church consisted of. She believed the church consisted of all those,who had been born of God and not just those,who were our particular type of
Calvinistic Baptist in belief and teaching. Well,I was shocked,that my Mom disagreed with our pastor on this. I has been taught by him and some other of the church leadership, that they always spoke for God,spoke,taught and believed nothing,but exactly what God said. And I had simply believed that my Mom and all of the adults in our church, believed exactly as out church leadership taught. And I don't remember how I did it back then; but somehow I worked it out in my 14 year old mind,how my Mom and the pastor could both be right! (ha) :-)

Now,at 59 years old and for sometime  now,I simply believe that the church/body of Jesus Christ consists of all those persons who have been born of God. And each one of us may or may not also be a member of this or that man made denominational type church. Personally,I think we are scattered throughout those type churches and some of us outside of them as well. But where ever we may be that way,each one of us in a member of the body/church of Jesus Christ and that because we have been put there by God,
when we were born of God.

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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2014, 10:31:39 PM »
What you call the church is not the church. The ecclesia, the called out ones, the gathering, the body- which is the fulness of Him who fills all in all- that is the only church.

"I know that you have a name that lives, but you are the synagogue of Satan"


Ronny to Eaglesway:
I agree,that the body of Jesus Christ are the called out ones,those born of God.  But in the independent church I grew up in and became a member of at 12 years old,there I was taught to believe that we and those just like us,constituted the one and only true church. And of course I believed that,because my locals churches leadership taught me that such teaching was right out of the Bible and straight from God. So,I believed them and that without question. Then,when I was around 14 years old,my Mom told me out pastor was wrong about who the church was. She believed the church/body of Jesus Christ were those born of God. It shocked me,that she believed our pastor was wrong on this and in my 14 year old mind,I somehow worked it out so that both my pastor and my Mom, could be right on this. :-)

And I know how I though about the kids at school,who went to church at places different 
from my home church. Some of them being Holiness,Church of Christ,other sorts of Baptist,etc. I felt sorry for them,because they weren't in the one true church,as I was. :-)
I could feel sorry for them and also look down on them at times,since they were deceived and didn't know all of the truth,as I did.  (ha)  And I thought I was very good in most ways. Much better than some of the other kids at school. It really amazed me in later years,to realize how self righteous a person can be,who is Calvinistic in belief. But I looked down on those,who were not in my "one true church. "  I could feel "sorry" for them and also think of myself as being better than,in so many ways. Then at 16 years old,as I was being born of God,God let me see God's holiness,my sinful selfrighteous and God let me compare the two. Needless to say,I didn't come off looking good at all! :-) LoL But it was exactly what God knew I needed. Exactly what I needed for God,the goodness of God,to bring me to repentance towards God. :-) And I compare this to that verse in the song Amazing Grace. "Twas grace that taught my heart to fear and grace my fears relieved. How precious did that grace appear,the hour I first believed." For it was truly the love,grace and mercy of God,that showed me the holiness of God and let me compare that to my sinfullness. God showed me both of those in contrast to each other and in this way,God caused my heart to fear. In this way,God brought me to repentance towards God. Then God took me on,to faith in Jesus Christ. :-) But before this,God simply let me know that I was lost and showed me my sinful selfrighteousness and that, in comparison to God and God's holiness. It just puts a smile on my face,to think about how God,gave me exactly what I needed! :-) And not because I asked for such or even knew to. For I didn't. But God gave me such,because God loved me. :-) And now in later years,it is so good to see and understand,that what God has done for me and some others in this age,that God is going to do the same for every person,from Adam on down,before all is said and done! :-) Reminded here of that old song,To God Be The Glory. :-) Amen to that! :-)

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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2014, 11:10:20 PM »
What you call the church is not the church. The ecclesia, the called out ones, the gathering, the body- which is the fulness of Him who fills all in all- that is the only church.

"I know that you have a name that lives, but you are the synagogue of Satan"
:thumbsup:


Rosered to Eaglesway:
 Amen the called out  ones
 
 called out of the world   John 15

18"And if the world hates you, know that it hated me before you."


 19"And if you had been from the world, the world would have loved its own;

but you are not from the world, but I have chosen you from the world; because of this the world hates you."



20"Remember the word that I have spoken to you, that there is no servant greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also; if they have kept my word, they will also keep yours."

 21"They will do all these things among you because of my name, because they do not know him who has sent me."

 22"If I did not come speaking with them, they would have no sin, but now there is no covering for their sin.


" 23"Whoever hates me hates my Father also."

 24"If I had not done the works in their sight which no other man had done, they would not have sin, But now they have seen and hated me and my Father also. 25That the word which is written in their law may be fulfilled: 'They hated me for nothing.' "

26"But when The Redeemer of the accursed comes, him whom I shall send to you from the presence of my Father, The Spirit of Truth, he who proceeds from the presence of my Father, he shall testify concerning me."

 27"You also are testifying, who are with me from the beginning." :flowerred:


Ronny to Rosered:
Just thinking,in my years online,the people I have had more trouble with and caught more grief from,were some of those who said they were Christian and for the most part,I got along well with those who never claimed to be Christian or outright let you know that they weren't. On the last,I knew the truth about UR and was posting on an old WebTV  Christian group. This was what they called an open group and you couldn't be banned from posting in such,unless you did something truly bad,like threatening to kill some one etc! (ha) This one guy,who said he was Christian,he would get very mad at me when I posted and let it be known that I believed in UR and no longer believed in a Jesus
Christ created hell of eternal torment. And I told there as well,about how God had saved me. And the nonChristians who posted there,we by no means agreed on everything;but we got along with each other and were civil to each other,even where we disgreed.  And I would tell how God had saved me and some other people and that I knew God was going to do the same for them;but that it was God only,who knew when each person,would be born of God. I guess one reason I made that one guy mad,was because I would not and did not threaten any non Christian,with a hell of eternal torment. But instead,I simply told the nonChristian people there,that God/Jesus Christ loved them,that there was no hell of eternal torment and at the time of God's choosing,each of them would be born of God. And at that time,each would truly come to see and know,just how greatly God did love them. :-)

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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2014, 12:00:25 AM »


  Thanks Bro Ronnie
 
  Yes making your "faith "  known     seems to be a problem  when no  one asks   lol
  the Lord said only "if they ask"        to tell them    of   the  hope     in you    gentle and   mildly  1 Peter 3:15   :winkgrin:
 
 I have  found more divisions  and "fire starters "  in politic and religion    than any other source     it seems  :eek:
 
 More like get  ready to "rumble "  those sons of thunder   
 
   the problem     for me was those insisting      hell and eternal torture is real  when they themselves  have no idea what they are talking about   or believe in
  It was mostly what some other    guy is teaching them to believe in
   Is that really faith in God ?   you have to wonder   
 
   My hope is  the Lord  will be as merciful to them as    Jesus  has been to us   all
 
    Because the truth be told there is not a soul on the face of the  earth that does not need Gods Love , mercy and grace      , no matter  what condition they are in
   
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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2014, 12:17:46 AM »
One of the problems with the church is folks are taught to not question its authority not because it's the mediator between God and man but because the church doesn't have the answers to your questions. Only Christ is the mediator between God and man, and I think only the inspired written word of God has your answers. You need to read an accurate translation though. My questions led me to leave the Roman Catholic Church in my teens and then the Protestant Church a few years later because both contradict the word of God. Now, when I say "church," I mean both because they both have the same basic doctrine even though Rome has some extra crazy stuff going on. The word "church" is not even scriptural. It is an intentional mistranslation of the Greek "ekklesia," literally "out-called," accurately translated "ecclesia" which is the "body of Christ" called out of the world. The church is part of the world system. You were right to question despite the warning. That's how you eventually found the truth. God bless you.

Ronny to Tom:
Thank you Tom. :-)

And I'm sure,that over 99.9% of all I was taught in my home church,I never questioned. I was just that well brainwashed,to listen to and believe some people,instead of simply listening to and believing God. And as I've said in another post,right after God saved me, I went out at that Baptist Bible camp and told everyone in earshot,about what God had just done for me. :-) Well,I then wanted everyone to have the exact same type of relationship with God,as I then had. The day after this,was the end of the Bible camp and a brother and I went on to another town and to a church,where he knew some people there. While he talked to them,I looked for and found some gospel tracts there,got them and walked out on the street a ways. Stopped in front of a big store and started passing those tracts out to people,who were coming and going from there. I was scared! :-) Guess I was afraid someone might bite my head off or some such! :-) LoL But no one did and everyone was nice to me,smiling,etc. But I never said a word to anyone,for I was too scared to. :-) Well,I was a 16 year old kid,who was growing up in rural,small town NE Texas. The only people I knew that well,were from my small church and very small rural school. I think there were all of 15 kids,in my high school graduating class! And less than 40 members,in my local church! And I think I was seldom if ever in the presence of a stranger,without family or some friends around. Yet there I was 2,000 miles from home and passing out gospel tracts to people,who were complete strangers to me! So It was scared;but yet God,the love of God,compelled me to do such. For God had saved me, the day before and as I've said,I then wanted/desired for all people to then have the same type of relationship with God,as I then had. Then on the plane ride back home,I shared with my seatmate,about what God had just done for me. Back home and in church and I simply set in church and waited for church leadership to tell me what to do then. I thought we would have visitation and passing out of tracts,etc;but we never did.  That really surprised me at first;but then I'd been taught there,that church leadership knew best and I was to follow there example. And what ever their teaching and example was, why,that had to be right and best. Or so I was brought up in church,taught to believe.

I still remember the first time I disobeyed church leadership and chose to obey God instead and that,simply because I knew it was the right thing to do. We had a 7 day church revival meeting every year and church people were expected to go out and invite others to that.  I was out driving around one year and doing just that. Just going from house to house and inviting people to come to our revival meeting. Then I came upon a house where I saw several black men sitting out front. Now I knew my church leaders wouldn't want me inviting those men to our church. What to do?! Well,I did what I knew God would have me to do,I did what I knew was the right thing to do. I simply stopped, talked to them and invited them to our church revival meeting. I should put in here,my  parents taught me right on this matter,before church leadership could teach me different and wrong. For in my growing up,both of my parents taught me,I was not to look up to or down on anyone,because of the material things they had or didn't have or because of the color of their skin. So my parents taught me right on that,before I was old enough to see that some of our church leadership felt and taught differently on the matter.

And I did love my home church pastor;but he was racist. An irony was,that in later years I found out that his "white" family,was actually part black! (ha) Then later on than that,I also learned that my "white" family,was also part black! (ha) And from a very young age, I knew I was part white and part Native American Indian. Then I found out,I also had some black ancestors. So as I put it then,I'm a perfectly good 100% American mutt! :-) LoL 

And I agree with you about the RCC and Protestant churchs. They all have some things wrong. And in my time online,I've posted with some people from  both groups. And made some mad at me,in each group. :-) And from somethings I've read,I would say you're also right in saying that the word church,is not scriptural.  And you're right,that we, who are the presently saved of God in this age,we are the called out ones. For God calls out and saves people,at the time of God's choosing. P.S. I need to read some more about that,about the word church. I have read some on that in the past;but that's been awhile back now.

Racism is a sad fact of life that is really nonsense if you think about it because, if you go back far enough, we're all related. I would like to have seen the looks on the faces of the racist "Christians" when the black folks showed up for your revival. I attached a screenshot showing different translations of the Greek "ekklesia." I quit reading the King James Version and using the word "church" for "ecclesia" a long time ago. I know some folks like the word "church," but I think the "church" is the world religious organization distinct from the "ecclesia" which is the "body of Christ."

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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2014, 12:31:21 AM »
The Greek "ekklesia," accurately translated "ecclesia," originally had a secular connotation. An example of that can be seen in the attachment. You can see the AV (Authorized Version or King James Version) translates it the same as the YLT (Young's Literal Translation) in that verse.

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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2014, 04:48:11 PM »
Hello Ronny,
I enjoyed reading your testimony.
You truly are blessed to have been freed from the church/cult.
Keep searching for truth.
John, from Alabama - fellow Southerner/brother in Christ.
 


Ronny to John:
Tnank you John. :-) And you're right,that God surely has blessed me,by freeing me from the church/cult.  But at one and the same time,I can also say I'm glad that God let me first go through such.  For having personally gone through such and then having God deliver me from same,that makes me so greatly appreciate,what God did for me. And with the man made lies that God delivered me from,that makes me better able to help some others,who are going through and or have gone through the same. And I can't always put this is the best words;but this I know,no matter what God has chosen for me to go through,God will always bring good out of that,out of all things. And about that,I have not one doubt.

BTW,I still have some family,living in Alabama. :-) There's a late cousin,whose family still lives there.  His wife and several of their kids and grandkids. And I used to have an uncle, who pastored a church in Alabama.

And I gotta tell you about a great Grandma of mine,who came from Alabama to NE Texas,in the 1880's. Her husband had died,she had two young children and one on the way.  Well,after her husband's passing,she hitched up the mule to the wagon and headed for Texas,to live with a brother of hers,who was already here! This by herself,with two kids and her pregnant! When I first heard this part of my families history,I thought my, that Grandma of mine,she sure must of been one tough,hardheaded lady! :-) LoL


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Funny, I had an ancestor from the same era who was informed that a relative in Texas had died and had left an inheritance to her.  She was to go to Texas to claim it.  But she refused to go.  She emphatically stated, "I'm not going to Texas!  Going to Texas is like going to hell!  (I believe she was referring to the lawlessness of that time period in the "West," and maybe the hot summers too.)  :laughing7: :laugh: :LH:
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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2014, 08:16:33 PM »


  Thanks Bro Ronnie
 
  Yes making your "faith "  known     seems to be a problem  when no  one asks   lol
  the Lord said only "if they ask"        to tell them    of   the  hope     in you    gentle and   mildly  1 Peter 3:15   :winkgrin:
 
 I have  found more divisions  and "fire starters "  in politic and religion    than any other source     it seems  :eek:
 
 More like get  ready to "rumble "  those sons of thunder   
 
   the problem     for me was those insisting      hell and eternal torture is real  when they themselves  have no idea what they are talking about   or believe in
  It was mostly what some other    guy is teaching them to believe in
   Is that really faith in God ?   you have to wonder   
 
   My hope is  the Lord  will be as merciful to them as    Jesus  has been to us   all
 
    Because the truth be told there is not a soul on the face of the  earth that does not need Gods Love , mercy and grace      , no matter  what condition they are in
   
 :flowerred:


Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-) For we all truly do need God's love,grace and mercy and we all do have it,it's just some don't know and understand that yet;but they will,when God shows them! :-)  And I by no means always understand how this can be so;but I do know that everything God brings into our life,is for our own good and that God will bring good,out of even the worst of things in our life. I do know that there are somethings that have come about in my life,things that I would not even wish on my worst enemy. And when such happened to me,God was with me every step of the way. God was with me as I went through such and God was with me,when God brought me out of such. So in my life,God has definately brought good,out of that which was evil. God can do that and does do such. Which is the reason,I have no reason to give up,no matter what.

What I speak of now,is just a smaller matter,in the whole scheme of things. I think I'm about 99% over,a recent illness.  :-) One that lasted,for several weeks. I'm still very weak at times;but not so much at others. And so glad,I am now back to being able to walk my small dog,2 or 3 times a day. :-) At it's worst,I thought 2 or 3 times,that I really should go in the hospital;but I never told my sister that,because when push came to shove,I really didn't want to go there! :-)  Then main thing,I was afraid they wouldn't let me use my e-cig there! :-( LoL  I've smoked cigarettes for 44 years,started on and off using an e-cig about 3 years ago,got real serious on using those last fall and smoked my last cigarette around 6 months ago now. Since then,I've used some e-cigs I bought,at a local tobacco shop. And though I still use them and like them,I've also cut down on the use of those. Don't feel the need to use them,as much as I did at first. But during my recent illness,there were times I thought I should really go in the local hospital. Had a lot of trouble at times,just getting out of bed or getting up out of a recliner. My lower  leg muscles and or tendons,would be all cramped up and I would finally manage to get up by using my arm muscles and holding on to something. The end of the bed or the arm of a recliner. Then hobble across the room,as I held on to some other things. Then just walk back and forth in a room,as my lower leg muscles or tendons,slowly uncramped! (ha) And I did my best to never do this,while my older sister was around to see such! LoL  And that was just one part of the overall problems. Yeah,things got bad enough at times,I thought I really should be in the hospital.  And yeah,at its worst,things got bad enough I did think at times,it would be better to simply be dead. I even had a few thoughts of suicide and even thought of some few ways I might do that. But the only ways I thought of and or had handy,I considered too,I would probably just bungle things up and make things worse! :-) So no,even though I had thoughts of such,I never considered such seriously. Yet,in this and in some other things I have gone through in life,I can see why some people have considered such seriously and even done such. Yeah,I can understand that. I can understand,why some people get to that place and point. But during the worst of my recent illness,I also thought on the fact of things that God had brought me through,in the past. And I considered how much God/Jesus Christ loved me. Also thought on the fact,that in the past,the right meds had got me over illness like this. And I also thought about somethings,that I would simply like to do,once I got well and was able to. :-) And I had to consider as well,that no matter what God brings into my life,no matter how bad such things are at the time,well,God has always brought good out of such. :-) And God has always used such,for me to be able to help others,who have gone though the same or something similar.

And above,you spoke of people who believe in hell and eternal torment. Believe that because some person or persons have taught them to believe such.  Been there and done that,until I was around 55 years old. And no,I didn't believe that because I was trusting God and or putting my faith in God;but I believed that simply because I was brought up in a local church and taught to believe such there.  I was taught to believe,by some people,that hell and its torments were real. They said they spoke for God on the matter and spoke the same as God did. They didn't;but they convinced/brainwashed me into believing they did and they taught me to never question their word on such. Well,from a young child up,they taught me that if I questioned or doubted what they said,I was questioning and doubting God. And if I disagreed with anything they taught as truth, then I was calling God a liar!  Well,in church I was taught to treat some peoples words,as if I was hearing directly from God on a matter. So,in church I was taught to have great faith, in some persons words to me. And though I didn't see it or understand it this way at the time,that was me being taught to have great faith in some people,in what they said;but not in God. Yet I was taught for me to have great faith in what some people said,was one and the same,as my having faith in God and what God says. It wasn't;but at the time I was under such brainwashing,I believed that it was.

I've got ants in my pants today! :-) Have got up several times and just walked about some;both inside and outside. It's hard for me to sit still,when I think about some things, that I might like to do! :-) LoL

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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2014, 09:01:42 PM »
One of the problems with the church is folks are taught to not question its authority not because it's the mediator between God and man but because the church doesn't have the answers to your questions. Only Christ is the mediator between God and man, and I think only the inspired written word of God has your answers. You need to read an accurate translation though. My questions led me to leave the Roman Catholic Church in my teens and then the Protestant Church a few years later because both contradict the word of God. Now, when I say "church," I mean both because they both have the same basic doctrine even though Rome has some extra crazy stuff going on. The word "church" is not even scriptural. It is an intentional mistranslation of the Greek "ekklesia," literally "out-called," accurately translated "ecclesia" which is the "body of Christ" called out of the world. The church is part of the world system. You were right to question despite the warning. That's how you eventually found the truth. God bless you.

Ronny to Tom:
Thank you Tom. :-)

And I'm sure,that over 99.9% of all I was taught in my home church,I never questioned. I was just that well brainwashed,to listen to and believe some people,instead of simply listening to and believing God. And as I've said in another post,right after God saved me, I went out at that Baptist Bible camp and told everyone in earshot,about what God had just done for me. :-) Well,I then wanted everyone to have the exact same type of relationship with God,as I then had. The day after this,was the end of the Bible camp and a brother and I went on to another town and to a church,where he knew some people there. While he talked to them,I looked for and found some gospel tracts there,got them and walked out on the street a ways. Stopped in front of a big store and started passing those tracts out to people,who were coming and going from there. I was scared! :-) Guess I was afraid someone might bite my head off or some such! :-) LoL But no one did and everyone was nice to me,smiling,etc. But I never said a word to anyone,for I was too scared to. :-) Well,I was a 16 year old kid,who was growing up in rural,small town NE Texas. The only people I knew that well,were from my small church and very small rural school. I think there were all of 15 kids,in my high school graduating class! And less than 40 members,in my local church! And I think I was seldom if ever in the presence of a stranger,without family or some friends around. Yet there I was 2,000 miles from home and passing out gospel tracts to people,who were complete strangers to me! So It was scared;but yet God,the love of God,compelled me to do such. For God had saved me, the day before and as I've said,I then wanted/desired for all people to then have the same type of relationship with God,as I then had. Then on the plane ride back home,I shared with my seatmate,about what God had just done for me. Back home and in church and I simply set in church and waited for church leadership to tell me what to do then. I thought we would have visitation and passing out of tracts,etc;but we never did.  That really surprised me at first;but then I'd been taught there,that church leadership knew best and I was to follow there example. And what ever their teaching and example was, why,that had to be right and best. Or so I was brought up in church,taught to believe.

I still remember the first time I disobeyed church leadership and chose to obey God instead and that,simply because I knew it was the right thing to do. We had a 7 day church revival meeting every year and church people were expected to go out and invite others to that.  I was out driving around one year and doing just that. Just going from house to house and inviting people to come to our revival meeting. Then I came upon a house where I saw several black men sitting out front. Now I knew my church leaders wouldn't want me inviting those men to our church. What to do?! Well,I did what I knew God would have me to do,I did what I knew was the right thing to do. I simply stopped, talked to them and invited them to our church revival meeting. I should put in here,my  parents taught me right on this matter,before church leadership could teach me different and wrong. For in my growing up,both of my parents taught me,I was not to look up to or down on anyone,because of the material things they had or didn't have or because of the color of their skin. So my parents taught me right on that,before I was old enough to see that some of our church leadership felt and taught differently on the matter.

And I did love my home church pastor;but he was racist. An irony was,that in later years I found out that his "white" family,was actually part black! (ha) Then later on than that,I also learned that my "white" family,was also part black! (ha) And from a very young age, I knew I was part white and part Native American Indian. Then I found out,I also had some black ancestors. So as I put it then,I'm a perfectly good 100% American mutt! :-) LoL 

And I agree with you about the RCC and Protestant churchs. They all have some things wrong. And in my time online,I've posted with some people from  both groups. And made some mad at me,in each group. :-) And from somethings I've read,I would say you're also right in saying that the word church,is not scriptural.  And you're right,that we, who are the presently saved of God in this age,we are the called out ones. For God calls out and saves people,at the time of God's choosing. P.S. I need to read some more about that,about the word church. I have read some on that in the past;but that's been awhile back now.

Tom to Ronny:
Racism is a sad fact of life that is really nonsense if you think about it because, if you go back far enough, we're all related. I would like to have seen the looks on the faces of the racist "Christians" when the black folks showed up for your revival. I attached a screenshot showing different translations of the Greek "ekklesia." I quit reading the King James Version and using the word "church" for "ecclesia" a long time ago. I know some folks like the word "church," but I think the "church" is the world religious organization distinct from the "ecclesia" which is the "body of Christ."


Ronny to Tom:
Thank you for that. :-) And as I've said,I need to do more reading and studying on such.
I have done some previously and can see why the word church is not a good translation. But if and when I use the word church,I simply mean those who have been born of God.

Recently,I was reading in a BMA Baptist monthly paper. My oldest Sis gets that,because she's a BMA church member. In one article,a guy was telling why he was proud to be a Baptist;but before he finished, he made it plain that what he was proud of being,was a BMA Baptist,thank you! :-)  I have thought about emailing him and simply asking him, if he believes the BMA,is the one and only true church of God? Because I'm not sure how they believe and teach on that part?

And you're right,that racism is a sad fact of life and right as well,that all us human beings are related! :-) After all,we all come from God and by way of our first earthly parents, Adam and Eve. So as I put it,we're all at least cousins,somewhere along the line! :-) But I also know that there are some white people who say and believe,that only white people are truly human and that black people,at best,are simply a higher form of animal. And such people say that with a straight face,while saying they are Christian and that they get such from the Bible! (ha)

And the black guys I once invited to the local church I was in then,they didn't come. I told my oldest Sis about this,in later years. She said,well,they wouldn't of felt welcomed there and they knew that. When I looked back on it in later years,I realized they would of been welcomed there by some people;but then,not by all. And recently,I mentioned this again to my oldest Sis and I was astounded when she said,she wouldn't go to a black church and that because she would have so little in common with the church members there! Yeah,that really astounded me,because I thought,you would have little in common,with your fellow Christians?! That simply makes no sense. For as Paul the apostle well said; Jew or Gentile,male of female,bond or free,etc,etc,we are all one in Jesus Christ! :-)

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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2014, 09:22:11 PM »
The Greek "ekklesia," accurately translated "ecclesia," originally had a secular connotation. An example of that can be seen in the attachment. You can see the AV (Authorized Version or King James Version) translates it the same as the YLT (Young's Literal Translation) in that verse.


Ronny to Tom:
Thank you again for that. :-) And I'm still learning how to do somethings,on this Chromebook laptop that I have. So I couldn't figure out how to save that webpage you posted a link to, to a file folder? But I did go over to Google search,found the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer there and got that saved to a file folder! :-)

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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2014, 09:26:37 PM »
Hello Ronny,
I enjoyed reading your testimony.
You truly are blessed to have been freed from the church/cult.
Keep searching for truth.
John, from Alabama - fellow Southerner/brother in Christ.
 


Ronny to John:
Tnank you John. :-) And you're right,that God surely has blessed me,by freeing me from the church/cult.  But at one and the same time,I can also say I'm glad that God let me first go through such.  For having personally gone through such and then having God deliver me from same,that makes me so greatly appreciate,what God did for me. And with the man made lies that God delivered me from,that makes me better able to help some others,who are going through and or have gone through the same. And I can't always put this is the best words;but this I know,no matter what God has chosen for me to go through,God will always bring good out of that,out of all things. And about that,I have not one doubt.

BTW,I still have some family,living in Alabama. :-) There's a late cousin,whose family still lives there.  His wife and several of their kids and grandkids. And I used to have an uncle, who pastored a church in Alabama.

And I gotta tell you about a great Grandma of mine,who came from Alabama to NE Texas,in the 1880's. Her husband had died,she had two young children and one on the way.  Well,after her husband's passing,she hitched up the mule to the wagon and headed for Texas,to live with a brother of hers,who was already here! This by herself,with two kids and her pregnant! When I first heard this part of my families history,I thought my, that Grandma of mine,she sure must of been one tough,hardheaded lady! :-) LoL


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Funny, I had an ancestor from the same era who was informed that a relative in Texas had died and had left an inheritance to her.  She was to go to Texas to claim it.  But she refused to go.  She emphatically stated, "I'm not going to Texas!  Going to Texas is like going to hell!  (I believe she was referring to the lawlessness of that time period in the "West," and maybe the hot summers too.)  :laughing7: :laugh: :LH:

Ronny to JBerton:
LoL Good one! :-) LoL

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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2014, 12:03:19 AM »


  Thanks Bro Ronnie
 
  Yes making your "faith "  known     seems to be a problem  when no  one asks   lol
  the Lord said only "if they ask"        to tell them    of   the  hope     in you    gentle and   mildly  1 Peter 3:15   :winkgrin:
 
 I have  found more divisions  and "fire starters "  in politic and religion    than any other source     it seems  :eek:
 
 More like get  ready to "rumble "  those sons of thunder   
 
   the problem     for me was those insisting      hell and eternal torture is real  when they themselves  have no idea what they are talking about   or believe in
  It was mostly what some other    guy is teaching them to believe in
   Is that really faith in God ?   you have to wonder   
 
   My hope is  the Lord  will be as merciful to them as    Jesus  has been to us   all
 
    Because the truth be told there is not a soul on the face of the  earth that does not need Gods Love , mercy and grace      , no matter  what condition they are in
   
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Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-) For we all truly do need God's love,grace and mercy and we all do have it,it's just some don't know and understand that yet;but they will,when God shows them! :-)  And I by no means always understand how this can be so;but I do know that everything God brings into our life,is for our own good and that God will bring good,out of even the worst of things in our life. I do know that there are somethings that have come about in my life,things that I would not even wish on my worst enemy. And when such happened to me,God was with me every step of the way. God was with me as I went through such and God was with me,when God brought me out of such. So in my life,God has definately brought good,out of that which was evil. God can do that and does do such. Which is the reason,I have no reason to give up,no matter what.

What I speak of now,is just a smaller matter,in the whole scheme of things. I think I'm about 99% over,a recent illness.  :-) One that lasted,for several weeks. I'm still very weak at times;but not so much at others. And so glad,I am now back to being able to walk my small dog,2 or 3 times a day. :-) At it's worst,I thought 2 or 3 times,that I really should go in the hospital;but I never told my sister that,because when push came to shove,I really didn't want to go there! :-)  Then main thing,I was afraid they wouldn't let me use my e-cig there! :-( LoL  I've smoked cigarettes for 44 years,started on and off using an e-cig about 3 years ago,got real serious on using those last fall and smoked my last cigarette around 6 months ago now. Since then,I've used some e-cigs I bought,at a local tobacco shop. And though I still use them and like them,I've also cut down on the use of those. Don't feel the need to use them,as much as I did at first. But during my recent illness,there were times I thought I should really go in the local hospital. Had a lot of trouble at times,just getting out of bed or getting up out of a recliner. My lower  leg muscles and or tendons,would be all cramped up and I would finally manage to get up by using my arm muscles and holding on to something. The end of the bed or the arm of a recliner. Then hobble across the room,as I held on to some other things. Then just walk back and forth in a room,as my lower leg muscles or tendons,slowly uncramped! (ha) And I did my best to never do this,while my older sister was around to see such! LoL  And that was just one part of the overall problems. Yeah,things got bad enough at times,I thought I really should be in the hospital.  And yeah,at its worst,things got bad enough I did think at times,it would be better to simply be dead. I even had a few thoughts of suicide and even thought of some few ways I might do that. But the only ways I thought of and or had handy,I considered too,I would probably just bungle things up and make things worse! :-) So no,even though I had thoughts of such,I never considered such seriously. Yet,in this and in some other things I have gone through in life,I can see why some people have considered such seriously and even done such. Yeah,I can understand that. I can understand,why some people get to that place and point. But during the worst of my recent illness,I also thought on the fact of things that God had brought me through,in the past. And I considered how much God/Jesus Christ loved me. Also thought on the fact,that in the past,the right meds had got me over illness like this. And I also thought about somethings,that I would simply like to do,once I got well and was able to. :-) And I had to consider as well,that no matter what God brings into my life,no matter how bad such things are at the time,well,God has always brought good out of such. :-) And God has always used such,for me to be able to help others,who have gone though the same or something similar.

And above,you spoke of people who believe in hell and eternal torment. Believe that because some person or persons have taught them to believe such.  Been there and done that,until I was around 55 years old. And no,I didn't believe that because I was trusting God and or putting my faith in God;but I believed that simply because I was brought up in a local church and taught to believe such there.  I was taught to believe,by some people,that hell and its torments were real. They said they spoke for God on the matter and spoke the same as God did. They didn't;but they convinced/brainwashed me into believing they did and they taught me to never question their word on such. Well,from a young child up,they taught me that if I questioned or doubted what they said,I was questioning and doubting God. And if I disagreed with anything they taught as truth, then I was calling God a liar!  Well,in church I was taught to treat some peoples words,as if I was hearing directly from God on a matter. So,in church I was taught to have great faith, in some persons words to me. And though I didn't see it or understand it this way at the time,that was me being taught to have great faith in some people,in what they said;but not in God. Yet I was taught for me to have great faith in what some people said,was one and the same,as my having faith in God and what God says. It wasn't;but at the time I was under such brainwashing,I believed that it was.

I've got ants in my pants today! :-) Have got up several times and just walked about some;both inside and outside. It's hard for me to sit still,when I think about some things, that I might like to do! :-) LoL

  wow you have been  though many things Bro Ronnie


  so glad you are on the mend       now ,

 I too was brainwashed into thinking  hell and the fiery pits of   Gehenna    was awaiting everyone   90 % of the population   
 
 I trusted  , that is what you are supposed to do right ?

  and kept hoping    God would save me if I tried  real hard

    wore  out  doing all that  they asked  and it seemed  so fake     to me
 
 I had questions   real ones and they never had a  good answer to them     , it did not settle  with peace in my soul right .
 

 One day  sitting on the church pew       the preacher was  using this man as an example  ,  he saw mowing   his lawn and  judged that poor fellow    as to not being in church
 
     and  something   SPOKE within asked me   do you believe that ?
  I said NO ,     GOD can save anyone any where any time HE IS  GOD     !
  and   than asked  why are you here ?
 
  I left and never looked back         
   and my sister has been a huge help  for the family
  so many things  happened and  your right  in the evil   of chaos          Gods  good was always found !!
 
 Love saves us all   ,   not fear and  despising      :flowerred:
 
 
 

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« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2014, 01:43:04 AM »
One of the problems with the church is folks are taught to not question its authority not because it's the mediator between God and man but because the church doesn't have the answers to your questions. Only Christ is the mediator between God and man, and I think only the inspired written word of God has your answers. You need to read an accurate translation though. My questions led me to leave the Roman Catholic Church in my teens and then the Protestant Church a few years later because both contradict the word of God. Now, when I say "church," I mean both because they both have the same basic doctrine even though Rome has some extra crazy stuff going on. The word "church" is not even scriptural. It is an intentional mistranslation of the Greek "ekklesia," literally "out-called," accurately translated "ecclesia" which is the "body of Christ" called out of the world. The church is part of the world system. You were right to question despite the warning. That's how you eventually found the truth. God bless you.

Ronny to Tom:
Thank you Tom. :-)

And I'm sure,that over 99.9% of all I was taught in my home church,I never questioned. I was just that well brainwashed,to listen to and believe some people,instead of simply listening to and believing God. And as I've said in another post,right after God saved me, I went out at that Baptist Bible camp and told everyone in earshot,about what God had just done for me. :-) Well,I then wanted everyone to have the exact same type of relationship with God,as I then had. The day after this,was the end of the Bible camp and a brother and I went on to another town and to a church,where he knew some people there. While he talked to them,I looked for and found some gospel tracts there,got them and walked out on the street a ways. Stopped in front of a big store and started passing those tracts out to people,who were coming and going from there. I was scared! :-) Guess I was afraid someone might bite my head off or some such! :-) LoL But no one did and everyone was nice to me,smiling,etc. But I never said a word to anyone,for I was too scared to. :-) Well,I was a 16 year old kid,who was growing up in rural,small town NE Texas. The only people I knew that well,were from my small church and very small rural school. I think there were all of 15 kids,in my high school graduating class! And less than 40 members,in my local church! And I think I was seldom if ever in the presence of a stranger,without family or some friends around. Yet there I was 2,000 miles from home and passing out gospel tracts to people,who were complete strangers to me! So It was scared;but yet God,the love of God,compelled me to do such. For God had saved me, the day before and as I've said,I then wanted/desired for all people to then have the same type of relationship with God,as I then had. Then on the plane ride back home,I shared with my seatmate,about what God had just done for me. Back home and in church and I simply set in church and waited for church leadership to tell me what to do then. I thought we would have visitation and passing out of tracts,etc;but we never did.  That really surprised me at first;but then I'd been taught there,that church leadership knew best and I was to follow there example. And what ever their teaching and example was, why,that had to be right and best. Or so I was brought up in church,taught to believe.

I still remember the first time I disobeyed church leadership and chose to obey God instead and that,simply because I knew it was the right thing to do. We had a 7 day church revival meeting every year and church people were expected to go out and invite others to that.  I was out driving around one year and doing just that. Just going from house to house and inviting people to come to our revival meeting. Then I came upon a house where I saw several black men sitting out front. Now I knew my church leaders wouldn't want me inviting those men to our church. What to do?! Well,I did what I knew God would have me to do,I did what I knew was the right thing to do. I simply stopped, talked to them and invited them to our church revival meeting. I should put in here,my  parents taught me right on this matter,before church leadership could teach me different and wrong. For in my growing up,both of my parents taught me,I was not to look up to or down on anyone,because of the material things they had or didn't have or because of the color of their skin. So my parents taught me right on that,before I was old enough to see that some of our church leadership felt and taught differently on the matter.

And I did love my home church pastor;but he was racist. An irony was,that in later years I found out that his "white" family,was actually part black! (ha) Then later on than that,I also learned that my "white" family,was also part black! (ha) And from a very young age, I knew I was part white and part Native American Indian. Then I found out,I also had some black ancestors. So as I put it then,I'm a perfectly good 100% American mutt! :-) LoL 

And I agree with you about the RCC and Protestant churchs. They all have some things wrong. And in my time online,I've posted with some people from  both groups. And made some mad at me,in each group. :-) And from somethings I've read,I would say you're also right in saying that the word church,is not scriptural.  And you're right,that we, who are the presently saved of God in this age,we are the called out ones. For God calls out and saves people,at the time of God's choosing. P.S. I need to read some more about that,about the word church. I have read some on that in the past;but that's been awhile back now.

Tom to Ronny:
Racism is a sad fact of life that is really nonsense if you think about it because, if you go back far enough, we're all related. I would like to have seen the looks on the faces of the racist "Christians" when the black folks showed up for your revival. I attached a screenshot showing different translations of the Greek "ekklesia." I quit reading the King James Version and using the word "church" for "ecclesia" a long time ago. I know some folks like the word "church," but I think the "church" is the world religious organization distinct from the "ecclesia" which is the "body of Christ."


Ronny to Tom:
Thank you for that. :-) And as I've said,I need to do more reading and studying on such.
I have done some previously and can see why the word church is not a good translation. But if and when I use the word church,I simply mean those who have been born of God.

Recently,I was reading in a BMA Baptist monthly paper. My oldest Sis gets that,because she's a BMA church member. In one article,a guy was telling why he was proud to be a Baptist;but before he finished, he made it plain that what he was proud of being,was a BMA Baptist,thank you! :-)  I have thought about emailing him and simply asking him, if he believes the BMA,is the one and only true church of God? Because I'm not sure how they believe and teach on that part?

And you're right,that racism is a sad fact of life and right as well,that all us human beings are related! :-) After all,we all come from God and by way of our first earthly parents, Adam and Eve. So as I put it,we're all at least cousins,somewhere along the line! :-) But I also know that there are some white people who say and believe,that only white people are truly human and that black people,at best,are simply a higher form of animal. And such people say that with a straight face,while saying they are Christian and that they get such from the Bible! (ha)

And the black guys I once invited to the local church I was in then,they didn't come. I told my oldest Sis about this,in later years. She said,well,they wouldn't of felt welcomed there and they knew that. When I looked back on it in later years,I realized they would of been welcomed there by some people;but then,not by all. And recently,I mentioned this again to my oldest Sis and I was astounded when she said,she wouldn't go to a black church and that because she would have so little in common with the church members there! Yeah,that really astounded me,because I thought,you would have little in common,with your fellow Christians?! That simply makes no sense. For as Paul the apostle well said; Jew or Gentile,male of female,bond or free,etc,etc,we are all one in Jesus Christ! :-)

The white "Christians" who say black folks aren't human and only "a higher form of animal" are preaching the lie of evolution that Eugenicists used to rationalize mass sterilizations and that Hitler used to rationalize killing a whole lot of folks. Those so called "Christians" who claim to be Bible believing must have missed this part.

"For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your associate as yourself."" (Galatians 5:14)

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« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2014, 03:36:13 AM »
The church is part of the world system.


Lazarus to Tom:
Yes, it is.  Your words above jelled my thinking as I realized that most churches (if not all of them) are run on a business model, and having IRS agents tell them what they can and cannot say from the pulpit in keep their precious tax exemption makes them a de-facto State Church.  World system indeed!  Doctrine can get awfully worldly too... :sigh:

Ronny to Lazarus:
I wonder if most local churches are denominational churches? And then there are the really huge mega churches,that I've heard about. Somehow,I've got the idea that most of the latter are independent and not denominational type churches. Don't know if that's right of not?

The church I grew up in,was a very small independent,nondenominational type church. And the only ones we claimed kin too,were those local churches just like us in belief and teaching. I was brought up in that Calvinist type church,being taught that we and those exactly like us in belief,constituted the one and only true church of God. When I was around 14 years old,I was shocked when my Mom told me that our pastor was wrong, in his belief about who the church consisted of. She believed the church consisted of all those,who had been born of God and not just those,who were our particular type of
Calvinistic Baptist in belief and teaching. Well,I was shocked,that my Mom disagreed with our pastor on this. I has been taught by him and some other of the church leadership, that they always spoke for God,spoke,taught and believed nothing,but exactly what God said. And I had simply believed that my Mom and all of the adults in our church, believed exactly as out church leadership taught. And I don't remember how I did it back then; but somehow I worked it out in my 14 year old mind,how my Mom and the pastor could both be right! (ha) :-)

Now,at 59 years old and for sometime  now,I simply believe that the church/body of Jesus Christ consists of all those persons who have been born of God. And each one of us may or may not also be a member of this or that man made denominational type church. Personally,I think we are scattered throughout those type churches and some of us outside of them as well. But where ever we may be that way,each one of us in a member of the body/church of Jesus Christ and that because we have been put there by God,
when we were born of God.

Ronny, it sounds like you have ears to hear and the ability to see what you are looking at.  The churches say much about "getting saved," but stress little that it is both a done deal and a process taking a lifetime.  From our merely human viewpoint, many things about God seem to be a paradox (more than just two doctors... :laughing7:).
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2014, 09:11:26 AM »
The Greek "ekklesia," accurately translated "ecclesia," originally had a secular connotation. An example of that can be seen in the attachment. You can see the AV (Authorized Version or King James Version) translates it the same as the YLT (Young's Literal Translation) in that verse.

ekklesia may have had a secular connotation among the Greeks, but I don't believe it has a secular connotation in the scripture.

Eph 1:19-23 That power is the same as the mighty strength he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church(ekklesia), which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

Jesus is Head over a spiritual body, the heavenly assembly- not a secular one.

Hebrews 12:22-24 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church(ekklesia) of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Thayer's Greek 1577

ἐκκλησία, ἐκκλεσιας, ἡ (from ἔκκλητος called out or forth, and this from ἐκκαλέω); properly, a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place; an assembly; so used
1. among the Greeks from Thucydides (cf. Herodotus 3, 142) down, an assembly of the people convened at the public place of council for the purpose of deliberating: Acts 19:39.

2. in the Sept. often equivalent to קָהָל, the assembly of the Israelites, Judges 21:8; 1 Chronicles 29:1, etc., especially when gathered for sacred purposes, Deuteronomy 31:30 (Deuteronomy 32:1); Joshua 8:35 (Joshua 9:8), etc.; in the N. T. thus in Acts 7:38; Hebrews 2:12.

Strong's Concordance

qahal: assembly, convocation, congregation
Original Word: קָהָל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: qahal
Phonetic Spelling: (kaw-hawl')
Short Definition: assembly

Esther 8:11 Wherein the king granted the Jews which [were] in every city to gather themselves together(qahal- קָהָל),
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Re: Hi There :-)
« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2014, 03:41:52 PM »
Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.
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