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Re: preterism and universalism
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2015, 08:32:12 PM »
 :cloud9: Yes, someone coined the term around here long ago, that we're all "hairy ticks", lol.....too funny. Most people outside the know look at us as if we are, for sure.  :mock:
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2015, 08:36:24 PM »
I think folks who put that on us think it's a badge of shame to be feared, but I think it's a badge of honor, not to mention something to be laughed at, because, regardless of the fact that we don't conform to church doctrine, it is the church that doesn't conform to the word of God. 

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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2015, 08:40:13 PM »
 :cloud9: No, they don't. God has a pattern. Pattern not followed. End of subject.  :sigh:
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Re: preterism and universalism
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2015, 09:43:01 PM »
When I first bumped into preterism, I studied through its various forms- saw some really beautiful stuff, as well as some things I don't believe.

I basicly oppose any hyper dispensational view pinned to dates other than the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, which was indeed a dispensational change from Israel and the law, to Jesus and the gospel of the kingdom, along with the outpouring of the Spirit, through which the tabernacle of living stones was born- a habitation of God in the spirit, the ecclesia of God, the body of Christ.



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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2015, 04:13:34 PM »
 :cloud9: Yes, we can glean from ANY field thru the mind of Christ, and if thru the mind of Christ be lifted up in wisdom to great heights in the Spirit. I'm sure they have a piece of the pie, too.

Problem with most of mankind comes when they try to stay in that field and make it their new home/denomination. They're called the BEASTS of the FIELD for a reason, LOL.....

And I'm with you on the last paragraph, too.  :thumbsup: The cross is the beginning AND the end, everything flows out from that. Blessings....
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« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2015, 06:34:13 PM »
I am probably a pre-preterist.  ;)  I believe everything was finished "at the cross" referring to the events surrounding it. I see a recapitulation of the story of the cross in the OT all pointing to the cross, and a recapitulation after the cross all pointing back. So the destruction of Jerusalem and even the holocaust are shadows pointing back. Whatever future events happen will simply be shadows pointing back to the cross.

I am also a very Young Earth Creationist, believing that the earth is six days younger than traditional YECs; the first seven days occurring in timelessness and in one 'day' (Ge 2:4). 

This isn't the place to get into details.  I am still sorting through Universalism.

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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2015, 07:19:40 PM »
Mark 10;29,30  no-one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father,or children OR FIELDS..for me and the gospel

  will fail to recieve a hundred times as much in this present age.

   ALL THINGS ARE YOURS

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Re: preterism and universalism
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2015, 09:42:21 PM »
I think labels like the ones mentioned in the original post are loaded words that can be interpreted all kinds of ways. If you want to compare Calvinism, Arminianism, and universalism, then I'm into universalism, but I'm not affiliated with any worldly organization, denomination, or church that claims to represent universalism. I think preterism is a misconception, and there's a lot more surprises in store for mankind that they're not expecting because many have decided God is just mythology now thanks to the atheist religion, Darwinism, programming all the school kids. I was one of them once, but I got enough information to change my mind. Some folks may never do that though.

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« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2015, 03:52:16 AM »
Hi Kevinq,

I have little idea what you are speaking of....which means I will learn much from you.

Welcome.....I hope we get to share many thoughts, here.  :welcome:
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« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2015, 10:15:49 PM »
I've come to full preterism by way of UR, not to say I'm in strict agreement with any doctrines or denominations formed by them but they are about the closest labels I know of that directly explain my beliefs.

As with the eternal torment and hell language, there seems to be a lot of misunderstood or misinterpreted concepts with the prophecies.

For those who want to know more about preterism in general, "The Parousia" by J. Stuart Russell is a good starting point. I don't agree with all of his assertions but he makes a very good case for the 70 AD timeframe. He had some remarkable views and exhaustive research considering this book is from the 1870s.

The book can be found for free online and there's an overview of the book on tentmaker here (which may be all you need as the book itself is 600+ pages): http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/parousia_apocalypse_russell.html

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Re: preterism and universalism
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2015, 08:01:02 AM »
I've come to full preterism by way of UR, not to say I'm in strict agreement with any doctrines or denominations formed by them but they are about the closest labels I know of that directly explain my beliefs.

As with the eternal torment and hell language, there seems to be a lot of misunderstood or misinterpreted concepts with the prophecies.

For those who want to know more about preterism in general, "The Parousia" by J. Stuart Russell is a good starting point. I don't agree with all of his assertions but he makes a very good case for the 70 AD timeframe. He had some remarkable views and exhaustive research considering this book is from the 1870s.

The book can be found for free online and there's an overview of the book on tentmaker here (which may be all you need as the book itself is 600+ pages): http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/parousia_apocalypse_russell.html

Preterism is a particular systematic theology, which stands on its own apart from the gospel. I totally disagree with the dispensational view of full preterism, but I am totally UR, so preterism is not necessary to believing in UR, and altho we have preterists on the site, and by some definitions I could be considered a partial preterist, the site is here to promote UR, not preterism.
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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2015, 03:13:30 PM »
And, I am a totally lost Lutheran, who realizes I have lots to learn from you all. Never heard of most of these terms being thrown about.

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Re: preterism and universalism
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2015, 09:00:50 PM »
Mostly just theological flotsam and jetsum anyway 😊
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