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Have a question on theology
« on: June 17, 2010, 11:35:02 PM »
Hi, I am new to this forum, very interested in learning more.  I have some questions on universal salvation.  I would like to know what the theology is on where we all go when we die?  Do unbelievers and believers go to the same place immediately apon death?  What are we being "saved" from in the gospel if we all go to be with Jesus when we die?  I want to believe this, but I need some more understanding.  When sharing the universal salvation gospel , what does this entail?  If there is no hell, does that mean there is no punishment in the afterlife?  Thanks much!!
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Re: Have a question on theology
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2010, 12:02:50 AM »
I'll hit a few here and I'm sure many will follow.  I had the same question as you did about the purpose of salvation.  But I do feel God has revealed his true nature when I became willing to let go of my doctrine of his nature.  It changed many things. 

The purpose of salvation is still just as important as it was in the traditional sense.  But now, it's not about using the intimidating factor of "go to hell if you don't accept Jesus" riot act.  What I believe responding to Christ's invitation to let him in me saves me from, is the control of my carnal "self".  I'm saved from the condemnation of my carnality within me.

It's still there, but it doesn't have power over me any longer.  Salvation also enables me to see, and enter into the kingdom.  It's about becoming spiritually alive as opposed to religiously active.  The nature of God is not one to induce eternal torture just because my limited mind rejected the infinity of his Truth.  For the most part, people aren't rejecting God like they may think they are.  What they are actually rejecting is a church's image of what "they" percieve God to be. 

The idea the religious have on this issue is that we want to beleive this so we can live however we choose and get away with it because we're all going to the same place in the end.  Even though UR does support the latter part of that, in no way are we then saying we can be as permiscuous as we desire because we're going to heaven either way.

To live by the desires of my flesh is to be bound by the carnality Jesus freed me from in the first place.  What this has done for me personally is, it's caused me to stop judging others who don't live up to my standards.  It's freed me to be who God intended me to be rather than live in a conformed set of rules agreed upon by the minds of men.

When we physically die, I believe we simply return to the spiritual realm from which we originally came.  My body dies, but my being continues on, only in another form.  The struggle comes when we ask about the evil people of this life in how can they end up the same place as those who were saints all their lives.

It occurs to me that the parable Jesus talked about the workers going out to the field really applies to this very thing.  Remember the story?  Early in the morning, the Master sends out workers in the field, then later he sends out more, then later in the day he sends out more . . .then close to the end of the day he sends out even more.  And at the end of the day, the workers come to receive their pay for their labors and they all get an equal amount.

Those that worked all day complained because those that worked just an hour earned the same pay . . .Jesus simply stated that the deal the master made was not based on how long you worked for him, but it was based on agreeing to work for him.  A days wage was a days wage. 

In the natural, we'd reason that's not fair.  But Spiritual truth is not bound by the limitations of natural reasoning.  The cross set the amount of redemption that was paid for each individual, not the individual.  What is it to me that Sadaam ends up in heaven same as I?  Did I enter into heaven because of my good works?  Or because of the blood of the Lamb?

Some feel that the really bad people should have some form of punishment they should pay in order to become fully eligible for living eternally with the Father.  But I'm not a supporter of that because there's no indication that the cross could only reach so far, only cover so many sins.  Either God redeemed us all back to him, or he didn't redeem any of us back to him. 

I'm just crazy enough to believe the power of the cross is just that strong to redeem EVERY man back to the Father REGARDLESS as to what they've done or not done on this earth.  That's just how great my God is.

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Re: Have a question on theology
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2010, 12:22:58 AM »
Hi msven  :welcome: :hithere:

I think you won't get an unanimous answer. Just like in traditional church peopel believe (slighty) different so you will learn that UR people all strongly believe in the same end result; but sometimes disagree on the road to that end result.
What's translated as hell is just a grave.
IMO there is punishment. Punishment but not torture. Punishment with a teaching purpose. Not vengance.

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What are we being "saved" from in the gospel if we all go to be with Jesus when we die?
The way I picture it for myself is that everyone is on a road to heaven. Some take the shortest route (Christlike living) others take a detour (sinful living)
Father doesn't torture His childeren for eternity. But neither is Father to be mocked and just ignore all the sins.

Lots and lots of info: http://www.tentmaker.org
Also click on "Tract" in my signature for a summary of the above link.


Just a few thoughts. I'm a  :newb: too.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Have a question on theology
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 01:11:42 AM »
Hi, I am new to this forum, very interested in learning more.  I have some questions on universal salvation.  I would like to know what the theology is on where we all go when we die?  Do unbelievers and believers go to the same place immediately apon death?  What are we being "saved" from in the gospel if we all go to be with Jesus when we die?  I want to believe this, but I need some more understanding.  When sharing the universal salvation gospel , what does this entail?  If there is no hell, does that mean there is no punishment in the afterlife?  Thanks much!!
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Hello welcome to this forum,  I hope you join in the discussions, don't be affraid to ask any question.
Where do we go when we die is something that is in debate. But the 3 main positions I have noted is

1st soul sleep, where people are sleeping in their graves, unconcious, both the unbeliever and believer, waiting for Jesus Christ to resurect them. There is debate as to when they will arise and how, but personally I think believers are raised from the dead first and then the unbelivers will be raised at a later date.

2nd is where believers go to heaven in spirit and the unbelievers can confess Jesus as lord when they die and go to heaven also.

third is where the believers go to heaven in spirit, and the unbelievers go to a place called hades or bottomless pit/abyss/hell simply a dark dungeon, no torture, but they are waiting for the resurection to be judged by God.

There are bound to be other viewpoints. But we all agree that, there is no place of eternal hell torment and that Jesus Christ died for all men and will give all men opportunity for life.
Keep searching the truth and keep asking questions and God will reveal more to you in time.
God bless
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