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Re: The SALVATION of ALL... how did GOD reveal it to you?
« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2008, 11:55:02 PM »
Hi Doc, Ray has some awesome material one can learn so much from the emails alone.
A internet friend directed me there a couple years ago, I was thrilled.
 I haven't found anything but truth in his papers.


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I have to agree with RR and Taff.
I notice that a lot of people on this board mention L. Ray Smith, and his site happens to be the first one I ended up at. I never send anyone else there, because there are lots of other folks who do a much better job on the UR stuff than he does.
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Re: The SALVATION of ALL... how did GOD reveal it to you?
« Reply #51 on: December 09, 2008, 09:06:13 AM »
Hiya!

I was blessed to know God is Love.

Even in an everlasting hell scenario in which probably all of us were first taught, I was so blessed to be taught the more important things than hell.

Hell is not important, neither is heaven.

What is important is God, and that He is Love, and we are to be like Him.

Just as it was inevitable to sin when we had no knowledge of it, it is inevitable to be righteous when we are knowledgable of it.

Origen, one of the more public proponents of Universal Salvation, made it very clear in his writings, in which I can testify:

It is implanted in every human being, the desire to do what is right and good for one's survival. At the same time, God had created us in ignorance to what is right and good for one's survival. He also created us with the functionality of a mind, with the sensory of the heart to learn and understand truly what is good and what is evil by our actions.

Therefore, sin is a result of not knowing what was right and good for one's survival, doing the complete opposite to that which we desire even though at the time we felt or thought for sure it was correct. A life led by ignorance, is a life full of continual sin.

God has given us the knowledge of the truth, a knowledge which finally understood, truly is right and good for one's survival. The problem is, in order to experience it in this life, one must believe it by faith. Otherwise, we will be waking up in the final resurrection of the dead, ashamed, but seeing exactly what it was which was right and good.

Knowing what is right and good for one's survival, is not selfishness, but a reality. Life is God, therefore if one desires it, they must know Him and do what He does.

God is Love.

I was revealed the knowledge of the truth for so long, even though I was also taught the lie of everlasting hell, that it was inevitable that I would believe the truth. The truth has set me free and was far superior than the lie. The lie was shown for what it was, and it is right and good for my survival to believe that Agape! Jesus saved all mankind, not some.

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« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2008, 12:28:27 AM »
What I did find at Tent was love and acceptance in spite of and I also found deep knowledge here where people were sharing deep stuff, stuff that I found lacking elsewhere.

Same for me.........deep stuff at our church too......Praise God.....that there was more Truth for me...I was in the process of quiting...because so much didn't make sense.

Now I could just sit in church, here on the Forum, all day long.  Everyone should have a PC.....

Finally!  Thank you Lord.  For keeping on with me.  He is always there.  I felt like I was in prison in the last church....definitely not at first..........I knew God was using churches for me to learn....like stepping stones; ....at first thinking it was the last one
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Re: The SALVATION of ALL... how did GOD reveal it to you?
« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2010, 06:19:45 PM »
I consider it a possibility He revealed it to me by this thread. I had been suffering from obsessive religious thoughts for a while and a few days ago I developed a severe, persistent headache because of these thoughts. Feeling pretty hopeless I happened to read this thread. I folded my hands and said aloud "Maybe it is really true... I have always understood you totally wrong, God". Then I suddenly felt blood starting to rush like the ocean in my head. Very soon the headache was gone and a feeling of peace came over me.
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« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2010, 07:49:09 PM »
I have the same thing...I will get congested and pressure,but now I realize this is how I pickup witchcraft(false doctrine)
I would be sitting in a church service(I have since stopped attending) and suddenly I would grab my head and then I would know to be aware of what was going on around me and what was being spoken
So it is a sort of early warning sign :happy3:
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« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2010, 04:13:27 PM »
The Lord began to reveal His universal love to me about two years ago. In hindsight, I think He has always been revealing it to me but I was too dull to realise. I think God must have been saying, "I'm over here stupid!" to me. lol.

I was brought up in a Word of Faith family, which is not common in the UK, as it seems to be in the USA. So I was brought up to believe, not only in hell but also in the idea that Jesus went to hell and had a fight with the devil. Add to that the idea that Jesus' death and "fight in hell" was not only to save me from hell, but also to make me rich, and you had a very conflicted girl.

As I approached my teens I found myself questioning so much I had been taught, although I always loved Jesus - it was the church I was sick of. I'm naturally quite firey and questioning, however I was living with an extremely physically abusive father, which crushed my character into a shy, victim-like persona. My faith questions rattled around in my head and I didn't have the courage to seek answers.

Halfway through high school, my father exited my life, I began to become 'me' again and the questions started tumbling out. I remember asking my grandmother why we teach Jesus went to hell to fight the devil when it is found nowhere in scripture. I was answered that this is what the "great men of God" teach. This seemed to be a standard answer; that and out of context scriptures. The problem was that all I could see was the "great men of God" getting fat off of the money of poor people and living self indulgently. Rarely was the cross ever preached, unlesss it was to reference what we could get out of it. I also was having recurring nightmares of hell and demons that were so real I could physically feel pain in my sleep.

My mother prayed with me and the dreams left, but I was still so unsatisfied. A God who HAS to burn His children forever, then wants you to be grateful if He offers to not put you in the hell-hole He made, made little sense to me. I kept studying, reading, praying etc for years.

Finally, two years ago, I was driving alone and suddenly began to weep uncontrollably. It was as though every trouble I had inside just came running out. I cried out (when I think back, it sounded like a shriek of pain) "I don't believe it! I don't believe You abandon us! I don't believe your cross was so cheap! I don't believe You died to make us rich! There has to be more than this or I have no wish to keep living." Somehow, I was perfectly safe even though I was driving in a 60mph zone. It was a surreal experience, one that has never repeated.

The only way I can describe it is that it was as though God took all the hurt, confusion, distress and hunger out, and suddenly, I just knew. I knew God loved us astronomically, because He is good, not because we're good. I nknew that real life is to follow Him. And I knew following Him meant to die with Him, live with Him, suffer with Him, reign with Him... That real, fulfilling life was to follow Him to the ends of the earth, wherever He might lead, doing all He said and loving as He loves. I think that is part of our sanctification; that Christ did it all first so that we mere mortals can follow in His footsteps, becoming more like Him as we are crucified with Christ.

I then began to laugh through weeping. It was all lies! The angry, wrathful God of hate was a lie! The cheap, selfish, unsatisfying salvation I'd been taught was a lie! I wanted to yell for happiness, then it was as though my feelings were normalised and I was aware I was driving again (still perfectly safely).

I started to devour the scriptures, seeking for confirmation of what I believed and I found my merciful Father in every page. My family/friends thought, and probably still do, that I was losing my faith. But they were wrong. I was falling in love with Jesus and could not, honestly, start "claiming God's prosperity/car/house/whatever." While searching amazon for more study material, I found a link here and here I am! I'm now praying that God will enable me to "have an answer for the faith within me", so that I can let my family know REAL good news!

Just an aside; it is common online to think all WoF christians are heretics. While I think many charlatons lead this movement, I know my own family really love God and try to be gfaithful to Him.

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Re: The SALVATION of ALL... how did GOD reveal it to you?
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2010, 09:10:11 PM »
 :cloud9: We have a standing joke on here, that we're all "hairy ticks" = heretics. Welcome to the family..... :thumbsup:
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Re: The SALVATION of ALL... how did GOD reveal it to you?
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2010, 10:38:32 PM »
"People are not born heretics, they just have heresy thrust upon them."

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« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2010, 12:26:09 AM »
Hehe hairy ticks.

We are to defend the truth from heresy according to Paul, but so many people seem to see heretics round every corner. My family are just deceived. They believe all the awsomeness (yes, I know that's not a word!) of God's loving character and grace, while also believing ET. Like so many people who love God, they haven't noticed the contradiction! They give out of their lack to the poor, while at the same time believing Jesus died to make us rich.  :sigh:

They believe stuff like that 'drilling down to hell, recording people screaming' audio hoax and the other day gave me a load of Jack Chick tracts. Never mind, our wonderful Father draws us all to Him in His own good time

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« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2010, 12:34:55 AM »
I've heard that audio hoax, truly hideous to anyone, who might think it's true, very chilling audio, even though it's ridicolous. Somehow men get penalized with eternal roasting, but Angels who left Gods heaven and did despicable things not fit to mention are only chained in darkness, bit of a double standard.

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« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2010, 08:12:24 PM »
as i read this thread i am wondering how i became a UR/UC, i do remember somehow reading some of Ray Smith's teachings and then tentmaker. it is amazing how a few weeks can change a person. just a month ago i wanted to stand in front of catholic churches and preach that they will burn if they keep doing what they are doing. i was willing to be shunned by all. i wanted to do this because i thought they needed to know the truth, which i was taught in the pentecostal church. now i am amazed how i was, just a month ago, about to be leading people in church, and now i have no desire to lead anyone unless they want the truth. it just amazes me how me and my church member can disagree on certain topic tonges, rapture etc.. and still get along, but the moment i mention no hell i am outcasted. i am still new to this and the only real fellowship i get is reading these threads. one day i know i will meet someone here in san antonio with the same beliefs. until then God bless.

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Re: The SALVATION of ALL... how did GOD reveal it to you?
« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2010, 10:48:08 AM »
Even though I had read J. Preston Eby's teachings before I had somehow always missed this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEwcWR8kxUs

Testimony of how Bro. Eby came to the understanding of the salvation of all.
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« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2010, 10:59:15 AM »
it is amazing how a few weeks can change a person.
Maybe you didn't really change.
You were a sheep in wolf skin :winkgrin: It just took a little time to remove the wolf skin, santikos wasn't completely rebuilt :drama:
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Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2010, 05:15:37 PM »
 :cloud9: Yep, all it takes one, twinkling of an eye, and your whole perspective has changed. God changes us from the inside out, man's doctrines try to change us from the outside in, and it never works.  :laughing7: Blessings....
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« Reply #64 on: September 25, 2010, 02:04:34 PM »
Testimony of George deBenneville. I just skimmed through it, gotta read it more properly later on but seemed very powerful and interesting.

http://universalistchurch.net/universalist-history/life-and-trance-of-george-debenneville/
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« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2010, 03:57:32 PM »
 :cloud9: I felt led to read it all, and I was glad I did. The Lord blessed me thru it. Thanks for posting it.  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2010, 05:41:52 PM »
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The SALVATION of ALL... how did GOD reveal it to you?
The funny answer would be "Google".
Personally I think nothing was revealed to me. Or at least I'm not aware of it.
I was Googling for lyrics of my favorite band. I just accidently found a Christian ET site.
Bit of reading. More Googling and a few weeks later I was on this site.

But as said is that God revealing me something? I mean if I Google for "USA" and learn Obama is president; is that a revelation from God?
Same when Googling lyrics. How can I know?
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Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2010, 08:10:09 PM »
youll know, you wont have to ask or wonder. When its the Holy Spirit you wont wonder.
And yes God may use Google.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2010, 01:17:34 AM »
I was first cracked towards UR when a brother from Canada taught it in a fellowship I was working in in Denver Colorado, in '79 and introduced me to the writing of Andrew Jukes. I wavered between UR and ED for awhile. Finally the compounded sum of Eph 1:9-11, Col 1:16-20, 1 Corinthians 15:23-28,Phil 2:10 and Romans 11- just won me over. But it wasn't until after I read Jukes again and did my own word studies on olam, aionian and "hell" that I began to boldly proclaim UR as the 6th(in Hebrews 6) foundation stone - the doctrine of eternal judgment (judgment meaning- why God has done what He has done, rather than "who God condemns" as it is taught in churchianity).

I also gratefully acknowledge the "iron sharpening iron" and general edification on this site (along with a couple others) as bringing me into a more focused and equipped grip on the "glorious gospel".
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« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2010, 08:40:07 AM »
I learned it from HOPE BEYOND HELL by Gerry Beauchemin

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« Reply #70 on: November 19, 2010, 08:50:27 PM »
For another good testimony, click this link: http://www.kingdomgospel.net/newsletter/issue227.pdf

Go to page 3 and read "Is Jesus The Savior of All?"

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« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2010, 02:45:12 AM »
My journey towards UR started with the book "The Shack"  :mshock: .... which started me down the road of a deeper understanding of my Heavenly Father's love for me....... which led me to read "He Loves Me" by Wayne Jacobsen (He doesn't believe UR) which exploded further my understanding of Father's love for us all and how "religion" stifles that understand as potrayed in the story of "The Prodigal Son"...... Which lead me to "The God Journey Forum"..... About a year ago someone on that forum gave the link to Tentmaker..... and the rest as they say is history..... Wow!!!!! what a awesome God of Love that cannot and will not fail to draw all men to Himself  :boyheart:

Since then I have read and studied just about everything that I can find on UR .... After almost 40 years of studying and teaching the scriptures... it now all fits together like a big beautiful puzzle that shows me Father as ALL in ALL  :happy3:

Now the task of de-programming myself (so I won't see the scriptures in the old way) ... so that I can read the scriptures with new eyes  :happy3: and teach this wonderful truth that truly sets us free.

I have been getting a lot of help through the writings of Clyde Pilkington and his website www.studyshelf.com.   ...but I'm sure alot of you already know that site  :grin:

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« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2010, 02:50:03 AM »
wow. beautiful poetry.

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« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2010, 03:00:25 AM »
My journey towards UR started with the book "The Shack"  :mshock: .... which started me down the road of a deeper understanding of my Heavenly Father's love for me....... which led me to read "He Loves Me" by Wayne Jacobsen (He doesn't believe UR) which exploded further my understanding of Father's love for us all and how "religion" stifles that understand as potrayed in the story of "The Prodigal Son"...... Which lead me to "The God Journey Forum"..... About a year ago someone on that forum gave the link to Tentmaker..... and the rest as they say is history..... Wow!!!!! what a awesome God of Love that cannot and will not fail to draw all men to Himself  :boyheart:

Since then I have read and studied just about everything that I can find on UR .... After almost 40 years of studying and teaching the scriptures... it now all fits together like a big beautiful puzzle that shows me Father as ALL in ALL  :happy3:

Now the task of de-programming myself (so I won't see the scriptures in the old way) ... so that I can read the scriptures with new eyes  :happy3: and teach this wonderful truth that truly sets us free.


Really nice testimony Robert.   :thumbsup:
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« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2010, 03:03:36 AM »
I love these stories!
The Shack moved me beyond description, there is a strong anointing in that book. I read it in the first 3 months of my daughter's birth and it was a magnificent timing by God!