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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2013, 02:20:36 AM »
What does mortal/immortal mean tho, really- imo it is unclear :o) I think the witch gasped in shock when Samuel showed up and prophesied to Saul- a prophesy that came to pass by the way. I don't want to start an argument, but, that is what is written.
I am not telling you that your scenario may not have some truth in it but what I am saying is stop saying "I think" or "I thought" or really "I anything". I=your opinion. And I don't want to start an argument either.

When I say, "I think", or, "I don't want to start an argument", it means exactly that it is my opinion of the issue being discussed and I am  [not]*  debating the issue, just expressing my thoughts on it. There are a few things about which I would not say, "I think", like, "All things will be reconciled to God through the blood of the cross of Jesus Christ".

Most things tho, I just express as opinions, purposely, out of respect for other participants on the forum who may see what is written differently than I do. That is how this forum works, because no one has the final word here on things like, "Was that really Samuel, or was that a deceiving spirit" etc. etc.- things which make for interesting conversation but about which there is insufficient evidence to make absolute judgments about in this kind of environment.


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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2013, 03:45:21 AM »
Hey I have already forgotten what all this was about to begin with.  :banana:
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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2013, 04:12:51 AM »
Evidence you have God in you: "and your sins I will remember  no more". Lol :laugh:

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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2013, 05:16:42 AM »
Hey I have already forgotten what all this was about to begin with.  :banana:

Fitter, just look at the thread title:  "THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me".  Yes, the Salvation of ALLL, even those who can't SPELLL.  :laughing7:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2013, 06:25:39 AM »
Unfortunately the person that started this thread, and expressed his vision on this thread now rejects his vision and claims that only some get saved. He also expressed to me that he thinks Gary is a "fool", who twists the bible for his own benefit.
He also mentioned that I am to be accursed from the gospel, and that UR is an ear tickling doctrine. He got this information from that pesky Skull and bones award video about Gary.

However one thing I've learnt from this thread is to not base my faith on other people's visions, for it was so quick for battleaxe to disclaim even his own.
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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2013, 09:30:34 AM »
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When Samuel came up from the grave to speak to Saul was it his soul speaking? His spirit?(How, if the spirit returns to God who gave it).

Hi eaglesway,

I have wondered about this myself. Also, I thought it strange that this spirit or whatever says, "why have you disquited me, to BRING ME UP"? Was the spirit asleep and God woke it up? If the spirit goes back to God why does this one say he was brought UP?

It says that Saul ask the witch "what sawest thou"? And the woman said "I saw gods ascending out of the earth". I am wondering here, why didn't she say "I saw Samuel" or "a man"? Instead she says "I saw gods". Apparently more than one god. It also says that Saul, "perceived it was Samuel"...not that it was Samuel. Samuel tells Saul in (1Samuel 28:19) "tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons BE WITH ME".

So many unanswered questions.

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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2013, 01:38:20 PM »
Hey I have already forgotten what all this was about to begin with.  :banana:

Fitter, just look at the thread title:  "THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me".  Yes, the Salvation of ALLL, even those who can't SPELLL.  :laughing7:
Yes from the thread title I can see that I got a bit derailed but back on track now. I love this place. :banana:
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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2013, 01:57:49 PM »
I thought he meant "all" in the title had 3 "L :Peace2:'s"
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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2013, 08:38:17 PM »
Note this also about Samuel & Saul:

And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death.  I Samuel 15:35 KJV II
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2013, 09:50:36 AM »
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When Samuel came up from the grave to speak to Saul was it his soul speaking? His spirit?(How, if the spirit returns to God who gave it).

Hi eaglesway,

I have wondered about this myself. Also, I thought it strange that this spirit or whatever says, "why have you disquited me, to BRING ME UP"? Was the spirit asleep and God woke it up? If the spirit goes back to God why does this one say he was brought UP?

It says that Saul ask the witch "what sawest thou"? And the woman said "I saw gods ascending out of the earth". I am wondering here, why didn't she say "I saw Samuel" or "a man"? Instead she says "I saw gods". Apparently more than one god. It also says that Saul, "perceived it was Samuel"...not that it was Samuel. Samuel tells Saul in (1Samuel 28:19) "tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons BE WITH ME".

So many unanswered questions.

CHB

Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods (elohiym) ascending out of the earth. And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
(1Sa 28:11-15)

doesnt fit in our theology..... too bad...... we must not know it all :o)

 The "gods" she saw were "elohiym"....."mighty ones".......among them an old man- Samuel the prophet, disturbed from his rest- there is no equivocation in the narrative at all. The witch, Saul and the narrator(the Holy Spirit inspired Logos, IMO) all ascribe the words and the personage to Samuel in fact, not a devil in disguise...... that's i read it anyway :o)
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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2013, 06:18:15 PM »
Thanks for your reply eaglesway.

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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2013, 05:13:50 PM »
  IthinkGodgive Saulastrong delusion.  Ecc 3;21whoknowsifthe spiritofmangoesupward...

 andifthe spiritof the animal/beast? goes down.?  Beast come up outofthe earth...resurrection

 ofrighteous andwicked?those bound under theearth?..pleasenote..supposedly

 Samuel spoke truth mixed with lie...andthe spiritof Bablyon[witch with majic-practicing spells] sits onthe beast..

......andtheserpent

eatsdust...and it is the dead body ofthecorruptimage[spirit inman] thatreturns tothedust

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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2013, 05:56:40 PM »
....also related to satancomingupoutofthe abyss.......and Saulbeing

 handed  over to satan for the destruction ofhisflesh...........and..satan himselftransforminghimself

into an angel of light/messagefromSammuel[toleadhimto his death]

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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2013, 06:01:44 PM »
....also related to satancomingupoutofthe abyss.......and Saulbeing

 handed  over to satan for the destruction ofhisflesh...........and..satan himselftransforminghimself

into an angel of light/messagefromSammuel[toleadhimto his death]
Thank you for this insight. :friendstu:

This is the kind of insight that confirms good things in my search.
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Re: THe Salvation of ALLL how God showed it to me
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2013, 06:10:22 PM »
 Amen Shelia ,  beautiful !!!!
 
  I love it that  you can compare spiritual things to spiritual   and  see  the connections of the WORD saying the same things over and over again !!!
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« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2013, 06:59:38 PM »
I think the experience of Saul with "a woman possessing a familiar spirit in En-dor" is no different than modern day spiritualists where folks get just enough truth from demons to deceive them into thinking they are actually communicating with the dead. I also think the experience on the mountain with Moses and Elijah was a vision because Matthew 17:9 says it was.

I had a vision, but it came years before I was aware of universal reconciliation. The vision in an out of body experience did show me that God is light and unconditional love though, and it convinced me scripture is the word of God. That led me to being on a die hard King James site one day when I got mysteriously bounced to another site with information about universal reconciliation that I thought was bogus because I never heard of it before. It wasn't until I spent a lot of time searching all the information I could find about it to disprove it that I became convinced it had to be true. I've never doubted it since.

It's hard to convince church folks that everything they've been taught is a world wide conspiracy operated by Satan disguised by religion to deceive them into thinking God is a sadistic monster who will torture most of humanity in fire forever. Only an evil spirit like Satan would do such a thing, and only an evil spirit like Satan would establish a religion with that as its doctrine. Unfortunately most of us here were all raised to believe church doctrine is truth, but thank God we saw the light!
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