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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by lostnbroken on October 21, 2014, 04:16:52 AM »
so in the lof he will cause all sinfulness to go away, heal them and they will then wish to be with him?  all like the prodigal or lost sheep...even the ones he calls goats, children of devil, and tares???? nothing is impossible for him to do... 
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by Seth on October 21, 2014, 04:01:11 AM »
i know i want to be healed from all of my sins and whatever else does not belong.... jesus made it sounds so hard to even be apart of the kingdom[narrow way, few chosen]....he will heal the whole world and then bring everyone to a place of love and wholeness...this is beautiful...

well if a shepherd found an injured sheep he would either heal it or put it out of misery.... but then there are the goats he sends away form him...how will he bring them back?????

Think about the prodigal son. How did the father get the son back? Didn't the the father give the prodigal son exactly what he wanted? What happened after that?

Remember how Jesus said in John 3 that men love the darkness, and yet in his parable he says that men will be bound over unto the darkness? How would that be any different than the prodigal son? He was given over to exactly what he wanted, but look what happened.

That's how Jesus can get them back. He brings them to repentance. he does it the exact way he does it for you and me. The very reason we repent is because of our consciences. God knows how to affect the conscience and bring about a desire for salvation and a humble heart.  :HeartThrob:
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by Tom on October 21, 2014, 03:51:56 AM »
Scripture says all mankind will be saved.
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by lostnbroken on October 21, 2014, 03:49:03 AM »
i am anxious and hopeful he will heal the whole world-everyone and he will not want anyone to be in any pain anymore, even a lof....
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by Tom on October 21, 2014, 03:40:06 AM »
i know i want to be healed from all of my sins and whatever else does not belong.... jesus made it sounds so hard to even be apart of the kingdom[narrow way, few chosen]....he will heal the whole world and then bring everyone to a place of love and wholeness...this is beautiful...

well if a shepherd found an injured sheep he would either heal it or put it out of misery.... but then there are the goats he sends away form him...how will he bring them back?????

Read the information under the chart about the sheep and goat(kid) nations.

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by lostnbroken on October 21, 2014, 03:36:43 AM »
i know i want to be healed from all of my sins and whatever else does not belong.... jesus made it sounds so hard to even be apart of the kingdom[narrow way, few chosen]....he will heal the whole world and then bring everyone to a place of love and wholeness...this is beautiful...

well if a shepherd found an injured sheep he would either heal it or put it out of misery.... but then there are the goats he sends away form him...how will he bring them back?????

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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hi There :-)
« Last post by Lazarus Short on October 21, 2014, 03:36:13 AM »
The church is part of the world system.


Lazarus to Tom:
Yes, it is.  Your words above jelled my thinking as I realized that most churches (if not all of them) are run on a business model, and having IRS agents tell them what they can and cannot say from the pulpit in keep their precious tax exemption makes them a de-facto State Church.  World system indeed!  Doctrine can get awfully worldly too... :sigh:

Ronny to Lazarus:
I wonder if most local churches are denominational churches? And then there are the really huge mega churches,that I've heard about. Somehow,I've got the idea that most of the latter are independent and not denominational type churches. Don't know if that's right of not?

The church I grew up in,was a very small independent,nondenominational type church. And the only ones we claimed kin too,were those local churches just like us in belief and teaching. I was brought up in that Calvinist type church,being taught that we and those exactly like us in belief,constituted the one and only true church of God. When I was around 14 years old,I was shocked when my Mom told me that our pastor was wrong, in his belief about who the church consisted of. She believed the church consisted of all those,who had been born of God and not just those,who were our particular type of
Calvinistic Baptist in belief and teaching. Well,I was shocked,that my Mom disagreed with our pastor on this. I has been taught by him and some other of the church leadership, that they always spoke for God,spoke,taught and believed nothing,but exactly what God said. And I had simply believed that my Mom and all of the adults in our church, believed exactly as out church leadership taught. And I don't remember how I did it back then; but somehow I worked it out in my 14 year old mind,how my Mom and the pastor could both be right! (ha) :-)

Now,at 59 years old and for sometime  now,I simply believe that the church/body of Jesus Christ consists of all those persons who have been born of God. And each one of us may or may not also be a member of this or that man made denominational type church. Personally,I think we are scattered throughout those type churches and some of us outside of them as well. But where ever we may be that way,each one of us in a member of the body/church of Jesus Christ and that because we have been put there by God,
when we were born of God.

Ronny, it sounds like you have ears to hear and the ability to see what you are looking at.  The churches say much about "getting saved," but stress little that it is both a done deal and a process taking a lifetime.  From our merely human viewpoint, many things about God seem to be a paradox (more than just two doctors... :laughing7:).
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by WhiteWings on October 21, 2014, 03:32:19 AM »
some sheep run away while others fall into the ditch or over the cliff....some stay lost for a long long time calling for him and afraid he will be mad when he finds them in trouble...
Difficult. Hard. That's why it's called a job.
No matter how dumb the sheep it's the shepherd that get's blamed if somehow sheep get lost. If a shepherd misses some sheep when he returns home he's called a failure. Jesus is a failure? Sheep have no responsibility. The responsibility lies with the shepherd. All sheep are good at is getting lost and being dumb. That's precisely the reason sheep need a shepherd.

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shepherds would break the legs of troublesome sheep and cary them around for a while so their leg would mend and they learned how to follow him....
I think that's a fable. Being a shepherd is hard enough already. Carrying a sheep for weeks? What if 3 sheep run away?

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sodom and gommorah were pretty much annihilated....
Eze 16:53 "'However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them,
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by Tom on October 21, 2014, 03:31:56 AM »
some sheep run away while others fall into the ditch or over the cliff....some stay lost for a long long time calling for him and afraid he will be mad when he finds them in trouble...shepherds would break the legs of troublesome sheep and cary them around for a while so their leg would mend and they learned how to follow him....i feel broken and wanting him to hold me too and keep me close....this is my hope :HeartThrob:

sodom and gommorah were pretty much annihilated....if this is what will happen, i would rather not to exist then be without god...of all, better t endure pain for him to purge bad stuff away then to be in severe pain that never ends with no other purpose then for him to have vengeance against sins....

Sodom and Gomorrah were burned up, but those who experienced it will eventually also be vivified at the consummation of the eons.

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