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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by Seth on September 16, 2014, 06:05:25 PM »
is the law ever brought life, we don't need faith.
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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by Seth on September 16, 2014, 06:01:59 PM »
Yes, God's Elect must also die the SECOND death.
Rom. 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

1)  the wicked world: "For if you live after the flesh, you shall DIE..." Not only will they die, because"it is appointed to men once to die" (Heb. 9:27). But after they die, they will then come up in the resurrection to judgment, which is the "lake of fire/second death" (Rev. 20:13-14).

2) for God's Elect: "...but if you through the Spirit do mortify [kill, put to death] the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Rom. 8:13). Therefore, in the resurrection, "...you shall not be hurt of the second death" (Rev. 2:11). "...and he that has part in the first resurrection on such the second death has no power" (Rev. 20:6).

The second death is not a literal death of the physical body--neither for the Elect nor the Wicked. It is a death of the carnal mind, the heart of sin, the nature of sin. Our literal, physical flesh and blood does not die a second time. But all character flaws associated with sin must die: All believing Elect Saints of God must DIE TO THE FLESH OF THE CARNAL MIND. Death is the daily life of the Believer!
     :thumbsup:
 
  Yes  putting to death  the old man     and the new  one  is life in   Christ   Colss    3 …4When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory. 5Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry. 6For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience
 
  I see that as  still under the law of Judgment    law  liberty


  James 2 A Warning against Favoritism 


…11For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER.

" Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

 12So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.


 13For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment.

the law never, never brought life. That is what the Holy Spirit does. The law only brought death because the power of sin is the law. Our carnal natures are what put us to death when we follow the flesh. That is why the law is called ministration of death. Only the Holy Spirit bring his life and that is why the spirit and the bride say come and drink the water of life freely. Outside is death
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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by rosered on September 16, 2014, 05:31:14 PM »
Yes, God's Elect must also die the SECOND death.
Rom. 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

1)  the wicked world: "For if you live after the flesh, you shall DIE..." Not only will they die, because"it is appointed to men once to die" (Heb. 9:27). But after they die, they will then come up in the resurrection to judgment, which is the "lake of fire/second death" (Rev. 20:13-14).

2) for God's Elect: "...but if you through the Spirit do mortify [kill, put to death] the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Rom. 8:13). Therefore, in the resurrection, "...you shall not be hurt of the second death" (Rev. 2:11). "...and he that has part in the first resurrection on such the second death has no power" (Rev. 20:6).

The second death is not a literal death of the physical body--neither for the Elect nor the Wicked. It is a death of the carnal mind, the heart of sin, the nature of sin. Our literal, physical flesh and blood does not die a second time. But all character flaws associated with sin must die: All believing Elect Saints of God must DIE TO THE FLESH OF THE CARNAL MIND. Death is the daily life of the Believer!
     :thumbsup:
 
  Yes  putting to death  the old man     and the new  one  is life in   Christ   Colss    3 …4When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory. 5Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry. 6For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience
 
  I see that as  still under the law of Judgment    law  liberty


  James 2 A Warning against Favoritism 


…11For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER.

" Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

 12So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.


 13For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment.
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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by Seth on September 16, 2014, 05:31:03 PM »
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Purification and destruction are not mutually exclusive concepts. The Law of God is NOT death itself. It reveals that those who try to obey it are carnal minded. It's the carnal mind that produces death. The Law reveals that.

   Have you considered this scripture    very descriptive of death  ? the letter of the law that kills
 
    2 Cor   3
 [b]But if the ministry of death in The Scripture carved in stone was with glory[/b], so that the children of Israel were not able to gaze at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face ( that which has been canceled ),

 
 in the  context
  of both Laws under  both covenants



4 Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stone
s, came [c]with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?


 9 For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10 For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if that which fades away was [d]with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

The Law is  immigration of death because of how sin kills us by the commandments. Romans 7. The Law is actually intended unto life. Bubbly the water of life can produce life.
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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by Seth on September 16, 2014, 05:29:23 PM »
Yes, God's Elect must also die the SECOND death.
Rom. 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

1)  the wicked world: "For if you live after the flesh, you shall DIE..." Not only will they die, because"it is appointed to men once to die" (Heb. 9:27). But after they die, they will then come up in the resurrection to judgment, which is the "lake of fire/second death" (Rev. 20:13-14).

2) for God's Elect: "...but if you through the Spirit do mortify [kill, put to death] the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Rom. 8:13). Therefore, in the resurrection, "...you shall not be hurt of the second death" (Rev. 2:11). "...and he that has part in the first resurrection on such the second death has no power" (Rev. 20:6).

The second death is not a literal death of the physical body--neither for the Elect nor the Wicked. It is a death of the carnal mind, the heart of sin, the nature of sin. Our literal, physical flesh and blood does not die a second time. But all character flaws associated with sin must die: All believing Elect Saints of God must DIE TO THE FLESH OF THE CARNAL MIND. Death is the daily life of the Believer!

You quoted it yourself. Being dead is to be carnally minded. If you follow the flesh, that death. Walk by the Spirit and you will have life and peace. The Lake of Fire is not life and peace.

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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by micah7:9 on September 16, 2014, 05:28:20 PM »
The elect doesn't do that Micah. The fire is only for those who do. According to Christ, those who produce talents will receive the joy of the Lord not darkness and death.

The unprofitable servant receives death.

I know the elect do not, that is why I tried to take the "wine of God's wrath" out of the equation of the Lake of Fire.
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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by rosered on September 16, 2014, 05:26:57 PM »
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Purification and destruction are not mutually exclusive concepts. The Law of God is NOT death itself. It reveals that those who try to obey it are carnal minded. It's the carnal mind that produces death. The Law reveals that.

   Have you considered this scripture    very descriptive of death  ? the letter of the law that kills
 
    2 Cor   3
 [b]But if the ministry of death in The Scripture carved in stone was with glory[/b], so that the children of Israel were not able to gaze at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face ( that which has been canceled ),

 
 in the  context
  of both Laws under  both covenants



4 Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stone
s, came [c]with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?


 9 For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10 For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if that which fades away was [d]with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.
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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by micah7:9 on September 16, 2014, 05:23:45 PM »
Yes, God's Elect must also die the SECOND death.
Rom. 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

1)  the wicked world: "For if you live after the flesh, you shall DIE..." Not only will they die, because"it is appointed to men once to die" (Heb. 9:27). But after they die, they will then come up in the resurrection to judgment, which is the "lake of fire/second death" (Rev. 20:13-14).

2) for God's Elect: "...but if you through the Spirit do mortify [kill, put to death] the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Rom. 8:13). Therefore, in the resurrection, "...you shall not be hurt of the second death" (Rev. 2:11). "...and he that has part in the first resurrection on such the second death has no power" (Rev. 20:6).

The second death is not a literal death of the physical body--neither for the Elect nor the Wicked. It is a death of the carnal mind, the heart of sin, the nature of sin. Our literal, physical flesh and blood does not die a second time. But all character flaws associated with sin must die: All believing Elect Saints of God must DIE TO THE FLESH OF THE CARNAL MIND. Death is the daily life of the Believer!
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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by Seth on September 16, 2014, 05:21:47 PM »
Check 2 Peter 3 for what the fire does for ungodly men and where the elect should hope to be instead.
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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by Seth on September 16, 2014, 05:20:28 PM »
That God is the source of judgement, I agree. That the elect must drink from the wine of God's wrath I would strongly disagree. The elect are not appointed to wrath but are saved from wrath by grace.

The Bible's terminology of judgement upon the house of God is that God sends the wrath of man to grow them. The fire is the wickedness of men, persecution, that tries and perfects the saints faith. But according to Peter, the fire of the day of the Lord is for the destruction of ungodly men.
 

 
 I dont think you understand  yet Seth  ,
 
 What     is  more purifying     than fire ?     what is able to keep    Holy , but the Holy Spirit and Fire   
  The  main  source we see  is Holy Spirit and Fire and God is a consuming Fire       . . . .

 Consider the Seriphims  A seraph (/ˈsɛr.əf/; pl. seraphs or seraphim /ˈsɛr.ə.fɪm/; Hebrew: שְׂרָפִים śərāfīm, singular שָׂרָף śārāf; Latin: seraphi[m], singular seraph[us]; Greek: σεραφείμ) is a type of celestial or heavenly being in Judaism and Christianity.

Literally "burning ones", the word seraph is normally a synonym for serpents when used in the Hebrew Bible. A seminal passage in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 6:1-8) used the term to describe fiery six-winged beings that fly around the Throne of God crying "holy, holy, holy".

This throne scene, with its triple invocation of holiness (a formula that came to be known as the Trisagion), profoundly influenced subsequent theology, literature and art.

Its influence is frequently seen in works depicting angels, heaven and apotheosis.

Seraphs are mentioned as celestial beings in an influential Hellenistic work, the Book of Enoch, and the Book of Revelation. Tradition places seraphs in the fifth rank of ten in the Jewish angelic hierarchy and the highest rank in the Christian angelic hierarchy.
 
  the coal off the alter   had to touch     Isaiah s   lips in order to purge   his SPEECH   and speak the truth        REV    4


Each one of these four beasts stood and had from its appendages and over it six surrounding wings, and from within they are full of eyes and are not silent day or night, saying, "Holy, holy, holy, LORD JEHOVAH God Almighty."

Purification and destruction are not mutually exclusive concepts. The Law of God is NOT death itself. It reveals that those who try to obey it are carnal minded. It's the carnal mind that produces death. The Law reveals that.
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