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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: New
« Last post by jasman on April 18, 2014, 10:21:54 PM »
Welcome Hope!  I hope you stick around and dig into the wealth of offerings made available here at this site, not the least of which is the chance to chat with other kind people on the same journey.

Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello!
« Last post by jasman on April 18, 2014, 09:55:13 PM »
Great introduction Moxieman.  You have expressed many of the same feelings I have had, and I understand your interest in staying at your church.  It is so interesting that many Calvinist pastors say so many Universalist things from the pulpit.  They don't dare preach like Calvin himself, or Jonathan Edwards, or many of the "pillars of the church" I'm sure they hold in high esteem.  My lead pastor is a wonderful man of God, who I know believes in eternal hell.  I pray I might be a small part of helping him to come around.

Thanks for the post and welcome!  I'm going to check out the book you recommend.

I'm curious, are you from Massachusetts...hence the Moxie reference?

Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Hello from NY
« Last post by jasman on April 18, 2014, 09:39:58 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I'm Jas from the Albany, NY area.  I'd be curious to know if anyone else is from anywhere close to here.  I first found Tentmaker shortly after 9/11, around early 2002.  I hung out here quite a lot initially and learned a tremendous amount about what seemed unthinkable to me at the time...that Jesus could actually be the Savior of All Men, especially those who believe.  It has been an interesting journey since, and I continue to believe. 

I will likely catch up with you in some other posts along the way.

God bless!

Christian Life / Re: Faith in prayer?
« Last post by Jock on April 18, 2014, 06:48:49 PM »
"Faith comes by hearing and hearing, by the Word of God." Whatever God tells me, either by scripture, through the brethren, or in my inner ear, I can cast faith in that. I can pray the same thing back to God. At least, that's how it is with me.


Jock.  :winkgrin:
Judgement and Punishment / Re: Does God punish?
« Last post by sheila on April 18, 2014, 05:47:41 PM »
  thinking of His teaching of the unjust steward..when he was to be removed from his position..and all that has been done

  in the name of God/ such as these.
Judgement and Punishment / Re: Does God punish?
« Last post by ed on April 18, 2014, 05:18:20 PM »
I know what you mean,  but I feel that if it didn't make me sad, I wouldn't care. Does that make sense?

It is hard not to care when seeing the bondage of sectarianism.

Had a Christian brother come up to me today to share some stuff.  It got into some uncomfortable territory talking about sect led Christianity.  I cared.......too much.

Judgement and Punishment / Re: Does God punish?
« Last post by Seth on April 18, 2014, 07:54:52 AM »
Oh Seth, don't be sad... those little old ladies delight in giving (outward behavior) "tithes"...   I live with many little old ladies who rush to play bingo, travel to casinos, etc., etc.,.... they're doing what they as unregenerate beings are capable of doing...   If you're going to be sad... be sad that many of us who claim to be born again are wasting time... are we doing what we are capable of doing?????

I know what you mean,  but I feel that if it didn't make me sad, I wouldn't care. Does that make sense?
Christian Life / Re: War in heaven
« Last post by ed on April 18, 2014, 06:49:55 AM »
Thanks sheila.

I'm interested in the Danial take.  I've never studied it before.

I thank God for the unrest of my soul, for the unrest signifies change, and change signifies the manifestation of the kingdom of God overtaking my kingdom. Until He has accomplished the necessary overthrowing of my dragon, I will incline my heart to Him, and I will sing of His greatness and the enduring mercies of David.  I will have my rest in Him, until the kingdoms of my world become the kingdoms of the Kingly Lord.   Let the heathen rage and let the earth reel to and fro like a drunkard, but I will stand still and hold my peace, for the Lord is my deliverer and my reward.  Woe to the inhabitants of my earth, for the dragon is cast down into my earthly mind, and there will be great judgments upon that part of my fallen self, but I will stay in the house of the Lord and will open up my doors and my gates to the rising King and He and I will sup together and will drink the new wine of His kingdom and break the bread of His fellowship.  Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him!

In the book of Daniel Michael is expressly identified with the Messiah (Dan. 12:1).  In Daniel 10:21 he is called, “Michael your prince.”  This personal pronoun “your” is of interest.  The archangel is definitely a warrior, and his name means “who is like God.”  He defends the celestial realms, exalting the glorious God, yet his ministry is wondrously on behalf of God’s people.   “At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people…” (Dan. 12:1).  In I Thessalonians 4:16-17 the “voice of the archangel” is represented as the voice that awakens the dead.  “And the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven…in the voice of the archangel…and the dead in Christ shall rise first…”  Significantly, Daniel 12:1-2 draws the same connection.  “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people…and many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth SHALL AWAKE…”  And whose voice is it that quickens men and raises them out of the death-realm into the life of God?  None other than THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD!  “Verily, verily I say unto you,” Jesus asserted, “the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD, AND THEY THAT HEAR SHALL LIVE” (Jn. 5:25).  The voice of the archangel, therefore, is the voice of the Son of God!

            There can be no doubt about it — the title “archangel” signifies CHIEF MESSENGER — and the question follows: WHO IS GOD’S CHIEF MESSENGER?   Who else but our glorious Head — the Lord Jesus Christ!  His name is called The Word of God!  “And He Himself existed before all things, and in Him all things consist — cohere, are held together.  He also is the Head of His body, the church; seeing He is the beginning, the Firstborn from among the dead, so that HE ALONE IN EVERYTHING AND IN EVERY RESPECT MIGHT OCCUPY THE CHIEF PLACE — stand FIRST and be PREEMINENT” (Col. 1:17-18, Amplified).  The name “Michael” means WHO IS LIKE GOD — an appropriate title for Him who is “the sole expression of the glory of God — the Light-being, the out-raying of the divine — and He is the perfect imprint and very image of God’s nature” (Heb. 1:3, Amplified).   No one who ever lived can be compared to our incomparable Christ, for He is King of kings and Lord of lords.  He is alive forevermore, by many infallible proofs.  At the sound of His voice all who are in the graves of sin, sorrow, and death will arise to live in His presence.  Certainly the whole Christ body, all who are made ONE IN HIM, share this life, victory, glory and image!

In the light of such a profound array of scriptures as those we have just considered, can any doubt that in the Revelation “Michael” is the code-word for our Lord Jesus Christ, the Chief Messenger; and “Michael and His angels” who fight against the dragon, and prevail, and cast the great dragon out of the heavens of the Spirit, are indeed none other than Christ and His many brethren, the manifest sons of God!  Ah, yes, the sons of God are the army of God, and Jesus Christ our Lord is the Captain of His army!  An army is for war, and there is war in heaven!  Our great Captain is He who knows the end from the beginning, and He has already written the advance report on the outcome of this war!  That report is recorded in chapter twelve of the book of Revelation.  I have read the report, and I have good news for every soldier in the Lord’s army.   Fight on, saints of God, THE VICTORY IS ASSURED!  It is indeed wonderful!
Christian Life / Re: War in heaven
« Last post by sheila on April 18, 2014, 06:31:25 AM »
well..the war is not against flesh and blood,but powers and principalities in high places. It is a spiritual warfare..Christ wages

 war in righteousness[He come to break up the work of the devil]

  in the book of Daniel you will see Gabriel prevented from getting the revelation that God desired be delivered to him

  due to the 'prince[apality] of Persia' and it was when Michael come to assist him[Gabriel] that the spiritual message

  was able to be delivered.  The stras of the heavens[angels] fight for the spiritually edify,inform reveal.

   the enmity between the seed continues..until the enemy seed's head is crushed.

      the adversary does 'war' against God's will..that is why he is called a rebellious spirit.  I will put enmity between the

 serpent's seed and the seed of the woman.
Christian Life / War in heaven
« Last post by ed on April 18, 2014, 06:08:43 AM »
I have no idea where this idea comes from.

Was there an actual war? 

For me there could not be a war with God.  I'd like for some of you to share your understanding of it.

Is it all from Revelation? 

Every time some states "there was a war in heaven" I wonder.................
My faith is not dualistic.  I don't see anything that could war with God.

Along the same lines could you all share your understanding of the devil?  I don't really get that part either.  Is there a devil being who is in charge of the evil on the world?

Thanks for your help.

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