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« Last post by jabcat on May 19, 2013, 05:37:29 AM »From a former Southern Baptist guy (who hung on to a lot of the "good parts" :), welcome. James.
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Lounge / Re: Jesus and the New Covenant Replacing the Old
« Last post by Lazarus Short on May 19, 2013, 04:26:56 AM »Heaven and earth did pass away. 2000 years ago on the cross.
Can you elaborate on that?
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« Last post by Lazarus Short on May 19, 2013, 04:21:59 AM »Good to have you here, Lane. I recall that Robert Bly once said, "We have spent too much time getting in touch with our inner child. It is time to get in touch with our inner geezer!" Being 63 myself, I can appreciate that. 
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Lounge / Re: Jesus and the New Covenant Replacing the Old
« Last post by redhotmagma on May 19, 2013, 03:49:22 AM »Heaven and earth did pass away. 2000 years ago on the cross. 
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« Last post by rosered on May 19, 2013, 03:30:14 AM » Hi Lane ,
Its possible that if you read Hebrews 8 that may explain how Jesus come to fulfill the Law and bring in the new covenant as the old one is waxing away , depending on your bible translation , Hebrews helps alot I copied it as the WNT for you
please note the very last verse , hope this helps , God bless you and yours
Hebrews 8
1 Now in connexion with what we have been saying the chief point is that we have a High Priest who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of God's Majesty in the heavens,
2 and ministers in the Holy place and in the true tabernacle which not man, but the Lord pitched.
3 Every High Priest, however, is appointed to offer both bloodless gifts and sacrifices. Therefore this High Priest also must have some offering to present.
4 If then He were still on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since here there are already those who present the offerings in obedience to the Law,
5 and serve a copy and type of the heavenly things, just as Moses was divinely instructed when about to build the tabernacle. For God said, "See that you make everything in imitation of the pattern shown you on the mountain."
6 But, as a matter of fact, the ministry which Christ has obtained is all the nobler a ministry, in that He is at the same time the negotiator of a sublimer covenant, based upon sublimer promises.
7 For if that first Covenant had been free from imperfection, there would have been no attempt to introduce another.
8 For, being dissatisfied with His people, God says, "`There are days coming,' says the Lord, `When I will establish with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new Covenant-- 9 a Covenant unlike the one which I made with their forefathers on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out from the land of Egypt; for they would not remain faithful to that.' `So I turned from them,' says the Lord.
10 `But this is the Covenant that I will covenant with the house of Israel after those days,' says the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds and will write them upon their hearts. And I will indeed be their God and they shall be My People.
11 And there shall be no need for them to teach each one his fellow citizen and each one his brother, saying, Know the Lord. For all will know Me from the least of them to the greatest;
12 Because I will be merciful to their wrongdoings, and their sins I will remember no longer.'" 13 By using the words, "a new Covenant," He has made the first one obsolete; but whatever is decaying and showing signs of old age is not far from disappearing altogether.
Its possible that if you read Hebrews 8 that may explain how Jesus come to fulfill the Law and bring in the new covenant as the old one is waxing away , depending on your bible translation , Hebrews helps alot I copied it as the WNT for you
please note the very last verse , hope this helps , God bless you and yours
Hebrews 8
1 Now in connexion with what we have been saying the chief point is that we have a High Priest who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of God's Majesty in the heavens,
2 and ministers in the Holy place and in the true tabernacle which not man, but the Lord pitched.
3 Every High Priest, however, is appointed to offer both bloodless gifts and sacrifices. Therefore this High Priest also must have some offering to present.
4 If then He were still on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since here there are already those who present the offerings in obedience to the Law,
5 and serve a copy and type of the heavenly things, just as Moses was divinely instructed when about to build the tabernacle. For God said, "See that you make everything in imitation of the pattern shown you on the mountain."
6 But, as a matter of fact, the ministry which Christ has obtained is all the nobler a ministry, in that He is at the same time the negotiator of a sublimer covenant, based upon sublimer promises.
7 For if that first Covenant had been free from imperfection, there would have been no attempt to introduce another.
8 For, being dissatisfied with His people, God says, "`There are days coming,' says the Lord, `When I will establish with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new Covenant-- 9 a Covenant unlike the one which I made with their forefathers on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out from the land of Egypt; for they would not remain faithful to that.' `So I turned from them,' says the Lord.
10 `But this is the Covenant that I will covenant with the house of Israel after those days,' says the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds and will write them upon their hearts. And I will indeed be their God and they shall be My People.
11 And there shall be no need for them to teach each one his fellow citizen and each one his brother, saying, Know the Lord. For all will know Me from the least of them to the greatest;
12 Because I will be merciful to their wrongdoings, and their sins I will remember no longer.'" 13 By using the words, "a new Covenant," He has made the first one obsolete; but whatever is decaying and showing signs of old age is not far from disappearing altogether.
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Lounge / Jesus and the New Covenant Replacing the Old
« Last post by LaneLester on May 19, 2013, 01:10:30 AM »In one of Gary's articles he says the New Covenant replaced, rather than aded to, the Old. That seemed fine to me.
In the same or another article he exhorts the reader to seek the Holy Spirit's guidance in Bible study. I liked that, too.
Inspired to get at it, I downloaded Weymouth's NT and started reading what Jesus had to say. When I hit Matthew 5:17-19 I hit a snag:
"Do not for a moment suppose that I have come to abrogate the Law or the Prophets:I have not come to abrogate them but to give them their completion. Solemnly I tell you that until Heaven and earth pass away, not one iota or smallest detail will pass away from the Law until all has taken place. Whoever therefore breaks one of these least commandments and teaches others to break them, will be called the least in the Kingdom of the Heavens; but whoever practises them and teaches them, he will be acknowledged as great in the Kingdom of the Heavens."
I confess that Jesus' words are often confusing to me. Can you help me see why the above doesn't mean I should be following all the rules in the OT?
Lane
In the same or another article he exhorts the reader to seek the Holy Spirit's guidance in Bible study. I liked that, too.
Inspired to get at it, I downloaded Weymouth's NT and started reading what Jesus had to say. When I hit Matthew 5:17-19 I hit a snag:
"Do not for a moment suppose that I have come to abrogate the Law or the Prophets:I have not come to abrogate them but to give them their completion. Solemnly I tell you that until Heaven and earth pass away, not one iota or smallest detail will pass away from the Law until all has taken place. Whoever therefore breaks one of these least commandments and teaches others to break them, will be called the least in the Kingdom of the Heavens; but whoever practises them and teaches them, he will be acknowledged as great in the Kingdom of the Heavens."
I confess that Jesus' words are often confusing to me. Can you help me see why the above doesn't mean I should be following all the rules in the OT?
Lane
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Welcome Central / Re: An Old Geezer Lately Come to US
« Last post by sheila on May 19, 2013, 01:07:55 AM » Welcome to the forum!
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT
« Last post by eaglesway on May 19, 2013, 01:00:54 AM »Absolutement!
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Welcome Central / An Old Geezer Lately Come to US
« Last post by LaneLester on May 19, 2013, 12:36:27 AM »I was on the board of an organization of scientists who recognized the truth of the biblical record as it related to earth and life history. I learned that one of the other directors had adopted some strange ideas about salvation and hell and eternity. I sought more information from him because I had, on my own, modified some of my Southern Baptist beliefs (http://www.lanelester.com/whom-does-god-love/).
My friend provided me with literature and reference which eventually led to my adopting those same "strange ideas."
Lane
My friend provided me with literature and reference which eventually led to my adopting those same "strange ideas."
Lane