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Christian Life / Re: The fall of Satan
« Last post by micah7:9 on August 14, 2014, 06:05:57 PM »
Satan is a carnal-minded spirit. That may sound like a contradiction of terms, but I assure you that it is not. Carnal means fleshly, material, temporal. Satan deals with the flesh, material things, and temporal gratification. Satan is a spirit who thinks like a carnal-minded man. Although spirit by nature, Satan eats "dust."

"But He turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, SATAN!"
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Adam and Eve
« Last post by rsimpson14 on August 14, 2014, 05:25:34 PM »
Yes it is true that others were born I am sure but it states cities were built and cities usually have many, many people. I always wondered about the incest thing and I am sure the DNA was there from the creation.

Still wondering on this??????

Thanks for the many replies

Arguments Against Universal Salvation / Re: Book of Judith
« Last post by marie glen on August 14, 2014, 05:04:17 PM »
   :ty: :smile:
#598 Theodorus of Mopsuestia (350-428 A.D.)

Then will truly take place the abolition of all these: of death, sin and corruption."

Amen! (to all of the post!) and the abolition of sin's result, mortality..
Arguments Against Universal Salvation / Re: Book of Judith
« Last post by joeteekay on August 14, 2014, 04:50:57 PM »
I agree marie glen.  :iagree:
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Adam and Eve
« Last post by marie glen on August 14, 2014, 04:47:58 PM »
I have a question or an idea and it may be silly but I am going to ask it any way. It may have already been discussed in another thread but her it goes any way.

 I was wondering or thinking when God created Adam and Eve was it actually more than one? In other words when God created man were there several?

When I read about Cain killing Abel, Cain spoke of the other people wanting to kill him. Where or when did these others come from?

P.S. - "Eve, the mother of us all.." ..the oldest artifacts are of a sort of heavy mother 'god'.. later versions were slim and sexier looking.. I've wondered these mother 'gods' didn't begin as fuzzy memories of Eve.. passed down..
Doesn't it say all came from Adam? "Through one man Adam came death, and in the same way, through Christ" (one) "came life"... (1 cor 15)

Consider the very long lives of the first people. By time Cain slew Abel, which their ages are not given, there could have been thousands of people.. [They were able to marry their sibling as the genetic code was not narrowed, as it is today, therefor there was no danger for the offspring..]

P.S. "Eve the mother of us all.." ..some of the oldest artifacts are of a sort of heavy mother 'god'.. later mother 'gods' were slimmer, sexier.. I have wondered if this mother 'god' didn't begin as fuzzy memories of Eve passed down.. (and if perhaps Eve became heavy during her life, just a thought I've had)
Christian Life / Re: Glory, grace, and truth
« Last post by marie glen on August 14, 2014, 04:40:26 PM »
" Brightness
truth............. "

the light/life which lights all (will light all).. sad how the gospel has lost some of its glory ("brightness, grace, truth") after these almost 2000 years of being passed through human hands and the faith made up of humans (not really surprising therefor) - not the Word of God, the Bible which is still the "brightness, grace, truth" (except for the human mistranslation/blasphemy of 'hell' and the "for ever and ever" mistranslation)

Judgement and Punishment / Re: Egypt punished, for what purpose?
« Last post by marie glen on August 14, 2014, 04:32:30 PM »

The benefit of being punished:

In that day, Israel will be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth; because Yahweh of Armies has blessed them, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance."
(Isa 19:1-25)


Amen! very interesting! Sort of like a microcosm also.. humanity wandered from God which brings no good and the consequences is what will thoroughly, I believe, convince "all" that to wander from God (who iS life itself, imo, and perfection) is not only futile but the epitome of, well, stupidity! For it can only ever end in a wisp of self destructive smoke, dust and ashes, the apocalypse (unveiling of truth when things crash and fall, i.e. the crash and fall is the unveiling/convincing, imo)

Good post!! :smile: ..interesting about the three..
Book of Revelation / Re: Revelation Chapter 13
« Last post by marie glen on August 14, 2014, 04:17:52 PM »
Revelation 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Howdy folks,

As you know I'm working Revelation for my own interest.  There are four methods of interpreting the book of Revelation; Idealist, Preterist, Historicist, and futurist.

I just finished reading a most excellent interpretation or Revelation 13:7-8 from the Idealist perspective.
This is J Preston Eby's most recent writing in his current series.

The preterist view would have this event if Revelation 13 already complete.  I am interested in the other two views being historic and futurist, and where they might place the events of Revelation 13.

I am interested in how this effects the life of the believer, doctrine, and overall Bible interpretation.


hi! I believe the Book of Revelation is the peak and culmination of history.. the 'end' of the story as the saying goes..

I believe it is historist (from our day anyway) and also preterist, in that the seals are historist, except the 7th, which imo, we are in the pause (of man's use of the split atom in warfare) of rev 7:1.

The six seals (4 horsemen and the 5th and 6th seal) I believe are described as a blend of what they are at their beginning, and what they are in their full maturity at the very 'end'. This I believe, confuses the vision.

As does there being 2 or 3 inserts (chapters 10, 12, and 13)

It's my belief the seals are the latter age, the years of our Lord, A.D.

The rider on a white horse going out to conquer and conquering I believe is the victorious and overcoming gospel, which like the other horsemen, his ride/gallop? continues throughout/to the 'end'..

the second horseman on a red horse is war which is given a "long" or "great" sword, the same splitting of the atom.. the 3rd always follows war (shortage)

the fourth pestilence, Imo, includes chemical also, and the grave follows after him, including the mass grave..

Rev 12 is the mantle of truth worn by Israel who births the Son of man whom the dragon in the person of Herod tried to destroy at His birth but He is at the right hand of God and will rule the nations with unbreakable law and principle.. the dragon pursues the woman, 70 A.D, a first migration, for the most part, of the faith, there's war in heaven, the dragon&co no longer allowed access to the heavens, he persecutes (inquisitions) the woman/faith fiercely (the 3.5 here being days as years), but there's a 2nd migration (largely) of the faith when she is given the two wings of an eagle to fly (imo, sail) to a new place where she is kept from the "face" of the dragon for 3.5 (1620+350=1970 approx) after which time a flood/proliferation of filth/vomit is spewed after her, by the serpent/beguiling mode of the dragon, trying to wash her (the faith) from off the face of the earth,

....but the earth will open its mouth and swallow the flood (imo, grt droughy, cross ref - Luke 23:28,31 "if they do this in a green leaf" crucify me "what will they do in a dry leaf?" ..and "out of the smoke" (rev 9) of that day, marshall law five months.. (imo)

and the dragon turns his attention back to the rest of the woman's offspring who have the commandments of God and (by then?) the testimony of Jesus - cross ref - "you will not see me again Jerusalem until you say 'blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD" and "if their falling away is salvation for the gentiles, what will their gathering into Jesus be but life from the dead" (i.e. imo, the 1st resurrection at His return and beginning of His long 2nd advent..) and also rev 16:14,15,16

SORRY TO WRITE SO MUCH, but when it comes to the Bk of Rev I have no self control.. It reads like a very plain book to me.. Symbolism yes, symbolism representing events, etc.. altho at least two things are described by John as animals because things like helicopters and tanks were not known to John..

When there is thermo-nuclear warfare, albeit limited, I believe (until the 'end' that is) is when (imo) the 7th seal is opened and things speed up.. we being (NOW) in the pause of seal 6/the splitting of the atom of Rev 7:1...

Peace! :Peace2:

Arguments Against Universal Salvation / Re: Book of Judith
« Last post by marie glen on August 14, 2014, 03:45:32 PM »
Most of it seemed good, to me, until the last verses.. I'm one that only considers the traditionally 'accepted' books of the Bible.. Some others I've read and the spirit seems different to me.. but that's like the Book of 'Enoch' and the spurious gospels of the 4th century.. which, imo, are outright weird in places..

The traditional books of the Bible seem complete to me, I have no further questions which are not answered in them.. I'm also a literalist, although I don't discount allegory and metaphor especially as I believe all of life is a metaphor..

God bless!  :smile:

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