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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Greetings
« Last post by Pig on May 24, 2015, 02:52:54 AM »
--If you haven't seen the post on darkness being grace, this may be confusing: the main duality of the Bible is not good and evil, it is Holiness and Love, which are reconciled on the cross revealing the Father through the Son.--

Ge 14:1  And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel (sayer of darkness/grace)  king of Shinar (the land of the whole word of God), Arioch (lion, from the same gate as light; אר representing holiness) king of Ellasar (God departed, kenosis), Chedorlaomer (handful of sheaves, a few Israelites) king of Elam (eternity), and Tidal (Great Son/Son of God) king of nations;

Four kings representing the four voices of God  (prophet, priest, king  and judge) as the Word of God and here represents the spiritual nature of the boy Jesus (the Word) as he is coming of age.

Ge 14:2 [That these] made war with Bera (Son of evil) king of Sodom (burning/total devotion), and with Birsha (with iniquity) king of Gomorrah (persue merchandise), Shinab (teeth of the Father) king of Admah (red/sinful earth), and Shemeber (reputation of the separated Son) king of Zeboiim (the sacrifices that came quickly), and the king of Bela (destruction), which is Zoar (insignificance).

Five kings representing five aspects of the flesh, here are the flesh (instinctive nature) of the boy Jesus.

Ge 14:3 All these were joined together in the vale (earthly) of Siddim (field), which is the salt (rotten rags) sea (creation).

The nine kings together represent the same as the nine fish in Joh 21:11 144+9 = 153. Nine says that each person of the Trinity is individually fully God.   The boy Jesus was fully God who had joined us in the flesh. As he was approaching 13 years old (the age of the Bar Mitvah) he was realizing that he was a spiritual person. He was coming of age.  His spirit-4 wrestled with his flesh-5, with his spirit winning. He was tempted in every way that we are.

Ge 14:4 Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer (handful of sheaves/Israelites), and in the thirteenth year they rebelled.

Jesus served a handful of Israelites (his parents) and then rebelled (this is the genre of riddle and does not impute sin upon Jesus).

1000 represents king. 100 the church, 10 is Christ.

Jesus also fed the four thousand (four kings) and the five thousand (five kings) as Melchizadek fed the nine kings.

I haven't attempted to justify all the symbols since the attempt grows in scope exponentially. If you search for a 12 year old king you will also find out when Jesus 'knew he was God'. Some English translations hide it.

I hope I have given enough so you can see the 'teaser' of the vignette of Christ as a boy hidden in Ge 14. There is much more as we dig into the Hebrew metaphor.
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Greetings
« Last post by rosered on May 24, 2015, 01:29:35 AM »

  Hi..............    Blessings   ,           Well I looked at Gen 14   
I could not see  it , only a   guess    ,,,      being the   High priest forever   , but I really dont know    ?
 I understand , I am the same,,,,  rarely     make posts   , but am   taught by the Spirit in participating ,  almost instantly  and thankful .
  I believe that is  an  odd   but true  saying
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Greetings
« Last post by Pig on May 24, 2015, 12:46:53 AM »

 Well I never saw that before   Pig ,

 Thank you  ,

You are welcome. I love to show Christ in the OT, but so many have decided that there is only one layer to scripture, that finding ears willing to hear is a problem.  I am not an author, so when I write, it is like dumping to a black hole. Without feedback I quit the subject.

I do much better when people are asking questions about the scripture that they are studying.  They already have an investment in wanting to know... they are already seeking and asking, so their hearts are ready to see Him there.

Whenever I try to show them to disinterested people, they have all kinds of excuses for not looking at it.  :(
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Greetings
« Last post by Pig on May 24, 2015, 12:38:51 AM »
I see where you're coming from.
Cool. I am happy to try and show them to you.  Cross your eyes thusly....   ;)
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Greetings
« Last post by rosered on May 23, 2015, 11:12:38 PM »

 Well I never saw that before   Pig ,

 Thank you  , Blessings  for sharing some of what you keep in your  heart as treasure [pearls]

  Matthew 6:21
For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Luke 12:35
"Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning.
Humor-Poems-Songs-Movies / Re: Hell joke?
« Last post by newlove on May 23, 2015, 09:44:46 PM »
Absolutely !
My mind just boggles whenever i try to comprehend the vast scale of damage the hideous myth has caused.
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Greetings
« Last post by Tom on May 23, 2015, 09:08:23 PM »
I see where you're coming from.
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Greetings
« Last post by Pig on May 23, 2015, 08:37:30 PM »
Tom, we are already talking past each other.

As I have said, that refers to Paul now understanding the hidden layer of scripture; the sensus plenior. It was hidden from all before the cross.

Adam could not eat of the three of life and the Hebrews could not see the messiah in their own scriptures, it being hidden in shadows and types. The keys to seeing the hidden prophecies of Christ are the symbols of the cross. When Jesus taught the disciples to start with the pictures of the cross and dig into the surrounding scriptures, the truth of Christ is seen in the OT. Once the Bereans saw how to see, they could see it too. Paul had not seen it until he met Christ.

Jesus knew who he was and what he was to do because he saw it in the OT. He did what he did because he saw the same prophecies spelled out in the circumstances he found himself, and played the roll to indicate he understood and was willing to face the cross.  Zacheaus means 'pure' yet he represented sin as the chief servant of mammon. He was hanging in a tree. Jesus didn't invite himself to dinner with him because he loved short people, but because the OT prophecy is that the Messiah would go to the marriage supper of the lamb after he bore our sin on the cross. 

Jesus stayed in the temple when he was 12 because of the prophecy hidden in Ge 14.  He accepted the woman with crumbs because of the prophecy hidden in the laws concerning harvest, and the corners of the field.  Paul advocated for the Gentiles on the same basis, salvation for the Gentiles was promised at the same time it was promised to the Jews.

I can say that no magic gift or revelation is needed to see them because I see them. I teach others to see  them. They show me things that I have not see yet. Children see them.  We are certainly guided by the Holy Spirit as he brings to remembrance the things which we learned, and helps us correlate them. But it is not without study. Teach, teach others who can teach others to teach, search the scriptures, study... The kingdom of Heaven is like teaching.

I would prefer not to talk ABOUT the Where's Waldo book, but simply read the scriptures and see Christ there. People can deny that the OT scripture has such prophecies... until they see them for themselves.

Hope that helps.
Humor-Poems-Songs-Movies / Re: Hell joke?
« Last post by Tom on May 23, 2015, 08:21:30 PM »
That's funny, and it's a whole lot better than thinking about getting burned alive forever. 
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Greetings
« Last post by Tom on May 23, 2015, 08:16:03 PM »
Of course the Hebrew scriptures are the foundation of the evangel, and I think one of the reasons Paul was chosen as the apostle to the nations was that he was well schooled in them.

I'm not a cross-eyed Waldo fan, but I'm aware of this:

"There is nothing at all new under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 1:9)

So what do you think Paul was up to when he said this?

"by revelation the secret is made known to me (according as I write before, in brief, by which you who are reading are able to apprehend my understanding in the secret of the Christ, which, in other generations, is not made known to the sons of humanity as it was now revealed to His holy apostles and prophets): in spirit the nations are to be joint enjoyers of an allotment, and a joint body, and joint partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus, through the evangel of which I became the dispenser" (Ephesians 3:3-7)
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