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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Gnashing of teeth does not suggest torture
« Last post by marie glen on April 25, 2015, 01:30:32 AM »
Acts 7:54King James Version (KJV)

54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

Stephen brought light upon their darkness and they gnashed their teeth in anger and resistance. I think that that is what light does to the wicked until they repent. It produces anger, and murder. Cain, I am sure, gnashed his teeth on Abel when Abels offering was accepted and Cain's was rejected. So Jesus says to the Pharisees, "You are sons of Cain"... and I am sure they gnashed their teeth.

In Acts two, after Peter preached, it says "And they were cut to the heart and said, "Men and brethren what shall we do?"

In Acts 7 after Stephen preached, it says, "they were cut to the heart and they gnashed on him with their teeth"

Two different repsonse to the light.

I agree, gnashing of the teeth is not about torture, it is about anger and resisting self exposure, resisting penetration by the light.

Ever have someone cut you to the heart with truth about yourself you did not want to see and get instantly angry and resist that self exposure?   

I have :o)

   :o oh! that nails that one down for me.. in my understanding!!  :ty:

"gnashing of the teeth is not about torture, it is about anger and resisting self exposure, resisting penetration by the light."

   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: amen, you nailed it!!

"Ever have someone cut you to the heart with truth about yourself you did not want to see and get instantly angry and resist that self exposure?"

..absolutely! I surely have, especially (but not exclusively) before becoming a believer..



  Yes  !!! :thumbsup:The wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God ,     There is   much  literal   and spiritual interpretation    in these  verses
 
 
 James 1 19This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger;


 20for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God. 21Therefore, putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility receive the word implanted, which is able to save your lives .

Matthew 5:22
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna .

Ephesians 4:26
"In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry,

Amen! :iagree: :thumbsup: "The wrath of man does not" in any way "work the righteousness of God" !
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Famine! 2 7's cow.
« Last post by marie glen on April 25, 2015, 01:20:57 AM »
Amen!! :banana: and "of the increase of peace and of His government, there shall be no end"! Isaiah 9:7
   :dsunny: :cheerleader:

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Christ's resurrection was proof of the power of God's love to overcome death. Scripture says death is the result of sin, not torture in fire forever, and all mankind will have immortality. Martyrdom manifests the ultimate faith in God that death is not the end, and immortality is coming.   
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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: self help or faith
« Last post by Tom on April 25, 2015, 12:28:21 AM »
God gives us the experience of evil to humble us and make us realize we can't save ourselves. Buddhist meditation will not provide immortality. Meditate on the word of God for true peace. All the philosophies of man are shortsighted because they all think man, not God, can solve the problem of evil. People think their prayers are "unanswered" simply because they don't get what they want. God is operating all according to his will. Sometimes people just don't understand why things are happening. Faith in God is definitely better than so called "self help spirituality new age stuff." 

"Trust in Yahweh with all your heart, And do not lean to your own understanding." (Proverbs 3:5)

"by faith are we walking, not by perception" (2 Corinthians 5:7)
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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: self help or faith
« Last post by newlove on April 25, 2015, 12:21:04 AM »
I am sure alot of self help stuff
Is about feeling positive and better
without fully facing harsh reality
However Budhism teaches acceptance
and openness to suffering not running
from how things are.
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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: self help or faith
« Last post by sheila on April 25, 2015, 12:04:09 AM »
my  :2c:   I liken to this...I can go to the doctor for relief from some physical malady...but the Doctor can not give me eternal life

  in a body that is incorruptible.

   ....and regarding unanswered prayer....the prayer must be by faith in His son..and in accordance with His will......and sometimes

   He being the creator of the universe and all...the answer may just simple be..NO.


   people self doctor/remedy..the brokeness of the spirit in man..self-help books...mood therapy etc. which may actually help...

  because they are just saying in another way...whatever is lovely whatever is good..keep dwelling on these things[positive]

  and reject the negative thought impulses[bring every thought into subjection to Christ]
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Gnashing of teeth does not suggest torture
« Last post by joeteekay on April 24, 2015, 11:29:58 PM »
 :thumbsup:
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Gnashing of teeth does not suggest torture
« Last post by rosered on April 24, 2015, 11:19:42 PM »


  Yes  !!! :thumbsup:The wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God ,     There is   much  literal   and spiritual interpretation    in these  verses
 
 
 James 1 19This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger;


 20for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God. 21Therefore, putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility receive the word implanted, which is able to save your lives .

Matthew 5:22
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna .

Ephesians 4:26
"In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry,
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> Gary Amirault's Corner < / Re: 24 Reasons Hell Is Real
« Last post by Abigail on April 24, 2015, 11:17:24 PM »
Dear ones,

I think most of the points are elaborately refuted on the Tentmaker's, these mostly have to do with a misunderstanding of words like eternal, hell, judgment etc. Yet I think some points have to do with certain movements called Universalism, which are different from what we understand as being the Victorious Gospel.

Pt 12 The idea that universalism teaches that all ways lead to God, probably comes from teachers like Bishop Carlton Pearson. From his website I get the idea he believes there is no judgment at all, and as I see symbols of all major religions, I think he believes all religions lead to God (?) Probably people think that this is what Universalism teaches.

Pt 22 This point might have to do with Unitarian Universalism, which is very liberal. I think most christians do not know very much about Universalism, so they think all Universalists are Unitarians. When God by His Spirit graciously convinced my heart of His victorious plan to save all mankind, my mind was doubting it. As I was searching the internet to find the convictions of my heart confirmed by the Scriptures, I initially found universalist websites that made me doubt even more. This was because of their very liberal teachings, among others portraying God as (as brother Eby states it) a 'syrupy sweet' Love: no judgment, no dealing with sin - on the contrary, being very easy on sin. (I believe God is strongly AGAINST sin, but not against sinners! That's the reason He saves us from it)
I can understand very well that sincere christians who are open to universalism, are repelled from it by finding these kind of teachings. (I am extremely thankful I found Tentmaker!)

Pt 23 I think one very common misconception is, what is salvation all about. For most christians, salvation means being saved from hell, so it's related to the future/afterlife. In the Bible, as far as I know, salvation is never linked to hell (or Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, eternal punishment, eternal death...)
Salvation is from sin. So the whole point is, preaching the gospel is not to prevent people from going to hell. It's about getting them freed of the horrible power of sin (which, btw, is God's work, but we might be honored to be His messagers)
I found the articles 'The Judgment of the World by the Cross' on Seth's website mercifultruth.com very helpfull on this point.

 :2c:


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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / self help or faith
« Last post by newlove on April 24, 2015, 10:29:57 PM »
Our life struggles and the harder things that come our
way may lead us to despair and then to seek aid in self help spirituality new age stuff budhist retreats and
non theistic coping aids. These things
do bring solace to the troubled so how does this compare and level up to seeking solace through faith
and then finding our prayers unanswered ??


 
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