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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by Seth on April 12, 2014, 07:09:07 AM »
Your arrogance is outrageous.
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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by micah7:9 on April 12, 2014, 06:57:10 AM »
The fact that you need a global flood for your belief leaves me without any truth to supply. I will concede only to that belief, the one you need. You have no real idea or thought where this was, "The water increased more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered." It could have been an area, but you will not see that.
And will you or can you be very specific about, " All flesh that moved on the earth perished.." Just where and how much of "the earth" is/was involved? for you it must be global....why?
No you need a global flood for your religion, without it, your entire belief fails, that is very sad.
What did a global flood accomplish that a local flood could not? What exactly was destroyed, I mean just looking at the world and events today?
I dare not go into the thought of Noah stepping on the smallest of the smallest perhaps  one, of a pair male and female of chiggers,(have you ever seen a chigger?) that was making a home in the gopher wood pitched within and without.
No, you need that global flood or your belief is weakened.
I believe there was a flood, but since the Lord said Psa 104:9  Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; That they turn not again to cover the earth.
I accept and believe that there was a flood, but local to the area, even the settling of the ark was in a mountain in the very area where it began. :dsunny: :HeartThrob:
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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by eaglesway on April 12, 2014, 04:49:08 AM »
Should you, who embraces the "agree to disagree" formula would do some checking you would see that the prophet was speaking of Genesis, not "a couple of thousand years after the flood."
Again David speaks of Genesis...Psa 104:3  Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters; Who maketh the clouds his chariot; Who walketh upon the wings of the wind;
Psa 104:4  Who maketh winds his messengers; Flames of fire his ministers;
Psa 104:5  Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever.
Psa 104:6  Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a vesture; The waters stood above the mountains.
Psa 104:7  At thy rebuke they fled; At the voice of thy thunder they hasted away
Psa 104:8  (The mountains rose, the valleys sank down) Unto the place which thou hadst founded for them.
Psa 104:9  Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; That they turn not again to cover the earth.
Psa 104:10  He sendeth forth springs into the valleys; They run among the mountains;

I say back to you your own words, " Whatever basis you pick and choose.." I agree with the Word and agree with the Word and I am afraid it maybe your nose wringing within theology of its rhetoric. I do not disagree, I say you are in error.

Gen 1:6  And God saith, `Let an expanse be in the midst of the waters, and let it be separating between waters and waters.'
Gen 1:7  And God maketh the expanse, and it separateth between the waters which are under the expanse, and the waters which are above the expanse: and it is so.
A reference. :Peace2:

In my understanding there was a flood, a flood for His purpose, it was not and did not need to be a global flood. imo.

Your understanding is acceptable for you. It is not acceptable for me, but like I said......not that big a deal, but Peter said "in which 8 souls were saved. To me that makes it worldwide.

Then the flood came upon the earth and it lifted the ark so that it rose above the earth. The water increased and rose greatly upon the earth, and the ark floated on the water. The water increased more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered. The water prevailed 15 cubits higher and the mountains were covered. All flesh that moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and every swarming thing that swarms on the earth and all mankind. Gen 7

Simple. Clear. Easy to read. ;o)

If Genesis 7 doesnt hold water, Psalm 104 doesnt either.

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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by Seth on April 12, 2014, 04:30:50 AM »
What did a global flood or even a local flood accomplish?
My reasoning and wonder, Gen 6:6  And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7  And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the ground; both man, and beast, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
And yet when the flood subsided and Noah with his sons were instructed to replenish, all that the flood was to have disposed of, emerged just as before and men began to be just as they were.

It accomplished a sign of what would be baptism of the spirit (the true water). Eventually the whole earth will be covered with that water, doing away with sin forever...not just locally. Then again, a local flood could accomplish the same purpose. But there isn't necessarily a great obsessive need to believe in a global flood. People simply believe it they open the Bible read it and believe in a global flood. That's hardly a "need."
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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by micah7:9 on April 12, 2014, 03:49:09 AM »
 What did a global flood or even a local flood accomplish?
My reasoning and wonder, Gen 6:6  And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7  And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the ground; both man, and beast, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
And yet when the flood subsided and Noah with his sons were instructed to replenish, all that the flood was to have disposed of, emerged just as before and men began to be just as they were.
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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by Seth on April 12, 2014, 03:38:42 AM »
You answer me first, then I will answer you.
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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by micah7:9 on April 12, 2014, 03:31:33 AM »
" If locally, than why not globally?"
Why the "need" for a global flood?
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Christian Life / Re: 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Yes or No?
« Last post by micah7:9 on April 12, 2014, 03:27:13 AM »
I am not anti woman, but was Paul a chauvinist attaining to the law? The word Paul speaks, "seems" to be quite pure, as he wrote it. I am given to believe that Paul, as great as he was, was just as human as you or I, and just as susceptible to all human weakness. Did Paul believe what he wrote? Is what Paul wrote wrong, now that we all have heard great things women have revealed? Or is there a boundry over stepped and there is error in some of what we have come to know? I'm just asking. :HeartThrob:
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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by Seth on April 12, 2014, 03:16:14 AM »
Do you believe Gow would go back on His Word?
Jer 5:22 Fear ye not Me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at My presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual (which can mean, any more or at any time) decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?

Oh, with one exception, with Noah's flood they passed anywhere they wanted to go. They defied all of God's decrees and declaration and commandments?

I say No.

I am undecided about a local flood/global flood. I haven't looked much into it, but I did notice that the word "perpetual" in that Jeremiah scripture is from the word "olam." So it was an OLAM decree, meaning it was not necessarily a degree that could not at some point be set aside by God's choice.

It says that "18The waters prevailed and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the face of the waters. 19And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered."

So if the waters did all that, then at least locally they broke the bounds which were supposed to be set "perpetually." Whether local or global, that "olam decree" would have to be set aside for the local division of waters and land. If locally, than why not globally?
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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by micah7:9 on April 12, 2014, 01:27:33 AM »
Should you, who embraces the "agree to disagree" formula would do some checking you would see that the prophet was speaking of Genesis, not "a couple of thousand years after the flood."
Again David speaks of Genesis...Psa 104:3  Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters; Who maketh the clouds his chariot; Who walketh upon the wings of the wind;
Psa 104:4  Who maketh winds his messengers; Flames of fire his ministers;
Psa 104:5  Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever.
Psa 104:6  Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a vesture; The waters stood above the mountains.
Psa 104:7  At thy rebuke they fled; At the voice of thy thunder they hasted away
Psa 104:8  (The mountains rose, the valleys sank down) Unto the place which thou hadst founded for them.
Psa 104:9  Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; That they turn not again to cover the earth.
Psa 104:10  He sendeth forth springs into the valleys; They run among the mountains;

I say back to you your own words, " Whatever basis you pick and choose.." I agree with the Word and agree with the Word and I am afraid it maybe your nose wringing within theology of its rhetoric. I do not disagree, I say you are in error.

Gen 1:6  And God saith, `Let an expanse be in the midst of the waters, and let it be separating between waters and waters.'
Gen 1:7  And God maketh the expanse, and it separateth between the waters which are under the expanse, and the waters which are above the expanse: and it is so.
A reference. :Peace2:

In my understanding there was a flood, a flood for His purpose, it was not and did not need to be a global flood. imo.
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