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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by Seth on September 19, 2014, 03:17:14 AM »
and by the way I have never suggested that God works outside of love or that punishment ever lasts forever.
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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by Seth on September 19, 2014, 03:13:20 AM »
I think I have abided by this forum's rules about how to present ideas and I have respected those who have disagreed. Personally, I see no reason for God to have changed his methods in the Old Testament upon His people to the New Testament upon his people. This is why God's consuming fire is presented both as a warning from Moses and also a warning from the author of Hebrews concerning the spiritual Holy Land and the natural results of failing to enter his rest. The warning still stands. Even you admitted that whatever was going on in the lake of fire was most likely a horrible experience. Those were your words not mine.

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The Lord God...hears EVERYTHING. A good thing to keep in mind. :HeartThrob:
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by micah7:9 on September 19, 2014, 03:08:42 AM »
YES.
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Lounge / Re: Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.
« Last post by micah7:9 on September 19, 2014, 03:07:08 AM »
I haven't presented it as a "teaching" here, but my ideas as to how I believe the scriptures correlate. But I understand your point. We can agree to disagree

I, that's me personally, by myself alone, have read and seen it as teaching, and what upset me the most, that it paralleled, in my opinion, with the teaching of what is called ET. I find your "fire" to oppose the consuming fire that  brings righteousness through caring, cleansing, and love. The consuming fire(the LORD) brings forth judgement that purifies, refines and cleanses and proves.
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by eaglesway on September 19, 2014, 03:02:12 AM »
the whole aionios/aion/age-during issue must be looked at in the light of the Hebrew word "olam" from which "aion" is translated- imo.
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Hidden in the mitzvah
« Last post by Seth on September 19, 2014, 02:46:02 AM »
What an awesome psalm. Just wow.

I tend to view "enemies" and "slavemaster" from the perspective of sin, i.e. conquering the enemies in the land etc. and how what you serve is your master, whether sin or righteousness. For we wrestle not with flesh and blood...
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by Searching_For_The_Truth on September 19, 2014, 02:25:30 AM »
Keep in mind, Marie, that the concept of "forever" is a modern construct, somewhat alien to the thinking of the ancients - kind of like the concepts of "zero" and "infinity," which did not exist in ancient times, at least not explicitly.

I'm probably going to take a beating over that...


I also heard that back then eternity didn't necessarily mean "never ending" but rather "age lasting". I don't think you are off base on that
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What a great opportunity that pastor missed!

I believe it's a lack of faith in God's mighty power that doesn't believe in His ability to untangle someone from their shackles whatever they may be..

To me another word for sin is imperfection, and we are all imperfect until we put on immortality and incorruptibility at His return..

I completely agree
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Hidden in the mitzvah
« Last post by rosered on September 19, 2014, 02:15:03 AM »

 
  I sure can be wrong but went to looking   Ronen   
 
 Psalm 18
English Standard Version


The LORD Is My Rock and My Fortress

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David, the servant of the LORD, who addressed the words of this song to the LORD on the day when the LORD rescued him from the hand of all his enemies, and from the hand of Saul. He said:

1I love you, O LORD, my strength.
2The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer,
my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge,
my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
3I call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised,
and I am saved from my enemies.

4The cords of death encompassed me;
the torrents of destruction assailed me;a
5the cords of Sheol entangled me;
the snares of death confronted me.

6In my distress I called upon the LORD;
to my God I cried for help.
From his temple he heard my voice,
and my cry to him reached his ears.

7Then the earth reeled and rocked;
the foundations also of the mountains trembled
and quaked, because he was angry.
8Smoke went up from his nostrils,b
and devouring fire from his mouth;
glowing coals flamed forth from him.
9He bowed the heavens and came down;
thick darkness was under his feet.
10He rode on a cherub and flew;
he came swiftly on the wings of the wind.
11He made darkness his covering, his canopy around him,
thick clouds dark with water.
12Out of the brightness before him
hailstones and coals of fire broke through his clouds.

13The LORD also thundered in the heavens,
and the Most High uttered his voice,
hailstones and coals of fire.
14And he sent out his arrows and scattered them;
he flashed forth lightnings and routed them.
15Then the channels of the sea were seen,
and the foundations of the world were laid bare
at your rebuke, O LORD,
at the blast of the breath of your nostrils.

16He sent from on high, he took me;
he drew me out of many waters.
17He rescued me from my strong enemy
and from those who hated me,
for they were too mighty for me.
18They confronted me in the day of my calamity,
but the LORD was my support.
19He brought me out into a broad place;
he rescued me, because he delighted in me.

20The LORD dealt with me according to my righteousness;
according to the cleanness of my hands he rewarded me.
21For I have kept the ways of the LORD,
and have not wickedly departed from my God.
22For all his rulesc were before me,
and his statutes I did not put away from me.
23I was blameless before him,
and I kept myself from my guilt.
24So the LORD has rewarded me according to my righteousness,
according to the cleanness of my hands in his sight.

25With the merciful you show yourself merciful;
with the blameless man you show yourself blameless;
26with the purified you show yourself pure;
and with the crooked you make yourself seem tortuous.
27For you save a humble people,
but the haughty eyes you bring down.
28For it is you who light my lamp;
the LORD my God lightens my darkness.
29For by you I can run against a troop,
and by my God I can leap over a wall.
30This God—his way is perfect;d
the word of the LORD proves true;
he is a shield for all those who take refuge in him.

31For who is God, but the LORD?
And who is a rock, except our God?—
32the God who equipped me with strength
and made my way blameless.
33He made my feet like the feet of a deer
and set me secure on the heights.
34He trains my hands for war,
so that my arms can bend a bow of bronze.
35You have given me the shield of your salvation,
and your right hand supported me,
and your gentleness made me great.
36You gave a wide place for my steps under me,
and my feet did not slip.
37I pursued my enemies and overtook them,
and did not turn back till they were consumed.
38I thrust them through, so that they were not able to rise;
they fell under my feet.
39For you equipped me with strength for the battle;
you made those who rise against me sink under me.
40You made my enemies turn their backs to me,e
and those who hated me I destroyed.
41They cried for help, but there was none to save;
they cried to the LORD, but he did not answer them.
42I beat them fine as dust before the wind;
I cast them out like the mire of the streets.

43You delivered me from strife with the people;
you made me the head of the nations;
people whom I had not known served me.
44As soon as they heard of me they obeyed me;
foreigners came cringing to me.
45Foreigners lost heart
and came trembling out of their fortresses.

46The LORD lives, and blessed be my rock,
and exalted be the God of my salvation—
47the God who gave me vengeance
and subdued peoples under me,
48who delivered me from my enemies;
yes, you exalted me above those who rose against me;
you rescued me from the man of violence.

49For this I will praise you, O LORD, among the nations,
and sing to your name.
50Great salvation he brings to his king,
and shows steadfast love to his anointed,
to David and his offspring forever.

 
I may not understand properly  :dunno2:
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