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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by WhiteWings on October 21, 2014, 06:54:55 AM »
i know i want to be healed from all of my sins and whatever else does not belong.... jesus made it sounds so hard to even be apart of the kingdom[narrow way, few chosen]....he will heal the whole world and then bring everyone to a place of love and wholeness...this is beautiful...
There is a difference between not being chosen and being eternally lost. Ever noticed a group get resurrected and the next group gets resurrected 1000 years later after His millennial kingdom.



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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by Seth on October 21, 2014, 04:54:14 AM »
i can understand this....he allows for consequences to happen and if you fail to learn form that it will get worse for you....

Yes exactly. And the reason they get worse is for the problem to become more obvious and the desire for salvation will be born. Once repentance occurs they enter into the city and receive life. It's the same for everyone. This is how I see it.

In fact according to Romans 7, this is why God gave the law, for sin to become exceeding sinful and then the sinner will see it and desire a savior. This is why we need to not go back under the letter, because it's not for salvation but for the revelation of the problem. The Holy Spirit (water of life) is salvation from sin.

:dsunny:
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by lostnbroken on October 21, 2014, 04:51:42 AM »
i can understand this....he allows for consequences to happen and if you fail to learn form that it will get worse for you....
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by Seth on October 21, 2014, 04:47:34 AM »
he was really mad at sodom and gommorah though...but he says he will restore them and it is more tolerable for them on judgment day then others...so he does get really mad and in last days it will get really bad...still i trust in his love and mercy in that he will not stay angry forever and he will not want people in pain forever but to heal and them and make them new....

Yes, it's not to say his wrath does not exist, but it's different from human wrath. Human beings experience our emotions through flesh, nerves, blood, physical signals. God is spirit. He says that his thoughts are higher than our thoughts.

Sodom and Gomorrah were under a judgment before the fire came. This is similar to how God gave a symbol after the reality, such as in circumcision Abraham was given the symbol after he already had faith. Sodom and Gomorrah were already turned over to their own wicked desires. I believe God sent fire as a representation of a judgment that they were already under, defiling themselves with each other. That is why God's wrath comes from heaven in Romans 1. Even Peter uses that example of how they will be "utterly perished in their own corruption." I don't think it's literal fire, but a judgement in the manner of Romans 1.

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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by GraceUponGrace on October 21, 2014, 04:42:08 AM »
this gives hope  :HeartThrob:
The Bible isn't about hope because hope is about possibilities.
The Bible is about facts.
One of those facts is that the Good Shepherd will seek, find and return that lost sheep to the flock.


Interesting conversation, am following this closely. As far as the word "hope" goes...it is summed up well by the word "expectation" like Tom said. It is how our culture typically misuses the word that has given us a weaker impression of it's awesome meaning. Biblical hope mean "the confident expectation of what is certain", which is a lot different than the flimsy hope we are promised by shady politicians. :winkgrin:
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by lostnbroken on October 21, 2014, 04:40:28 AM »
he was really mad at sodom and gommorah though...but he says he will restore them and it is more tolerable for them on judgment day then others...so he does get really mad and in last days it will get really bad...still i trust in his love and mercy in that he will not stay angry forever and he will not want people in pain forever but to heal and them and make them new....
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by Seth on October 21, 2014, 04:31:43 AM »
Take a look at Romans 1. It says that Gods wrath was experienced as in when he turned man over to his own wicked desires "to receive in themselves the penalty for their error." Gods wrath isn't the same as mans wrath. He doesn't need to hurt us to make us see the truth. We hurt ourselves. He just waits at the door for us to realize we need him. Some learn sooner than others.

When the prodigal son returned, the father said "my son was dead and now he is alive." Those in the LOF, are dead in their sins. One day they will come out of the "fire," and drink the water of life in the company of Gods people, and look back and say "once I was dead, now I am alive."
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by lostnbroken on October 21, 2014, 04:25:55 AM »
i am hoping for this for everyone...he is angry though and this is why he puts people in the lof...but the bible says he does no in that his mercy and love does lasts.... stay angry forever and his mercy and love is greater.... :HeartThrob:
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by Seth on October 21, 2014, 04:19:38 AM »
so in the lof he will cause all sinfulness to go away, heal them and they will then wish to be with him?  all like the prodigal or lost sheep...even the ones he calls goats, children of devil, and tares???? nothing is impossible for him to do...

What I believe will happen is that the LOF will cause them to want spiritual life. What will happen is that they will listen to the words of the Spirit and the Bride "come all you who are athirst and drink the water of life."

They will leave the state of death and enter the state of life by obeying the gospel. Fire makes people thirsty.  :winkgrin:
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by lostnbroken on October 21, 2014, 04:16:52 AM »
so in the lof he will cause all sinfulness to go away, heal them and they will then wish to be with him?  all like the prodigal or lost sheep...even the ones he calls goats, children of devil, and tares???? nothing is impossible for him to do... 
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