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Lounge / Re: 1 Corinthians 14:33
« Last post by WhiteWings on July 29, 2015, 12:53:53 PM »
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

If this is the case why has God caused all of this confusion in the world from different religions to different interpretation.

I don't think God caused it. He just did little to prevent it.
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Relatively New to UR
« Last post by johny on July 29, 2015, 12:07:06 PM »
wow thank you for your warm welcome guys, and yes indeed it is awesome.  Beyond expectation. There is so much to learn....and yet so many questions I now have answers for. I'll be reading everything that I can on this to my hearts content. Once again thank you
hi! :hiya: I love a good quiz!

Top Comment A:

2 Tim 4
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

 --- first thing comes to my mind is man's theory of evolution which says man is the higher power.. i.e. 'god' among all manner of strange things (teachings and ideas) in the world..

Comment B:

"...Similarly…their is also the possibility that we will NOT choose to receive Him… When we ignore Him….we are not restored/renewed from the inside out… We remain the broken twisted things that follow their nature into increased implosion (death in scripture)… Hell….is a place where those who refuse God's freely given healing love…his abiding presence inside…Hell is the place where they choose to spend eternity… Yes it is punishment…not by a hateful God….but by those who have chosen to be the depraved/debauched monstrosities that occur when the broken debauched nature of unredeemed humans is fully realized…"

--- Hmmm, God sure sounds un-able., what about all those who never heard the gospel? What if any one of us (believers) had died before (supposedly) 'making the choice for Jesus'? But beyond all that, the Word says "you did not choose Me but I chose you.." ..."foreordained.." etc. "He chooses who He will and hardens whom He will.." And please, show me the verses which say after death no chance for repentance? Only one "you will die in your sins" simply means one will rise still in their sins.. "All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD" ..when? during judgment day.. Israel's annual day of national judgment was Day of Atonement, great day of mourning and repentance and forgiveness.. Jubilees were associated with that day..
 - Is God not Perfect? Is He not all powerful? Which of these is He not?

Comment C:
"You're attempt to rationalize God's ways is an attempt to place yourself above Him." (he seemed to be responding to another UR supporter).

--- Strong's concordance is needed..

Comment D:
Sheol is "the grave," and all the dead seemed to go there before Christ. But no torment? Not according to Jesus, and Jesus is the one we need to listen to. He described a Sheol divided by a great chasm, with one side presenting comfort and the the other side giving torment. Whatever it was called, Jesus described torment, gnashing of teeth, weeping, unquenchable fire, destruction. Lake of Fire, burning forever, in Revelation. Hell is absolutely a Biblical teaching.

--- Lazarus and the rich man was a parable and, imo, reflects conditions during (what surely must be?) a very long day (age?) of judgment... the great and small of the 2nd resurrection before God, a review for us all, of all human and angelic history..

Comment E:
Sinners talking themselves into Hell is quite common today. To anyone that can READ the Authorized Holy Bible, your entire comment is a joke. In fact, your statements about the Authorized Holy Bible being inaccurate shows you are merely running from the clear teaching of scripture. Hell is not a "Christian concept"; Christ said it was a REALITY (Mark 9:43-48); so did John the apostle (Revelation 14:9-11; 21:8). Only a fool rejects God's plain warnings about His wrath (Romans 1:18) and ignores His judgment upon sinners in the past (Jude 7). Where ever you read the junk you spewed in this forum, it will be in Hell with you unless you repent and trust Christ.

 --- yeow.. I would explain what gehenna was.. what the lower part of the earth is (the dust of the grave).. angles locked into judgment-being imperfect cannot now change their course but are locked into judgment.. hell ("the grave") is thrown into the lake of fire.. not vice versa.. Judgment in the Old Testament (Jude 7) was always understood to be national judgment.. a fiery 'hell' is a pre Christian belief.. Dante was a madman.. Strike that last one, I might not say that one..

Here is the article

 --- the title itself.. would God burn people in hell for eternity? puh-lease! :faint:
Humor-Poems-Songs-Movies / Re: Wonderful UR song!
« Last post by Caffus on July 29, 2015, 06:35:15 AM »
I understand...don't mess up his movie. I don't listen to anything when sitting on the couch when my husband is watching tv.  :friendstu:
Lounge / Re: 1 Corinthians 14:33
« Last post by marie glen on July 29, 2015, 06:21:09 AM »
    Amen!  ...He being all in all.. :dsunny:
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Human love is greater than Gods love
« Last post by marie glen on July 29, 2015, 06:19:30 AM »
I read thru the thread [OK, OK, I skimmed] and am thinking of the line from Tommy by the Who:

"You've been told many times before, messiahs pointed to the door, but no one had the guts to leave the temple."

I mean to say that people need to step out of their theological [theo-illogical] boxes...

I never noticed that before - theo-logical.. though in so many instances(?) :iagree: illogical!
Christian Life / Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Last post by marie glen on July 29, 2015, 06:01:53 AM »

.... My own personal belief is that the language of God, rather than being any particular human language, is Spirit, and where this Spirit inspires, that language becomes spiritual, whether it be Hebrew, Greek, English or Tagalog.'s the Spirit which gives us the right slant.. in whatever language.. and digging into the language(s) is to come up with "treasure new and old"..

....again referring to something WW said, I don't think you can divorce the Greek of the NT from the Hebrew minds behind it.

   :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:  Amen! That certainly has to be true!
Christian Life / Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Last post by marie glen on July 29, 2015, 05:52:37 AM »
The two richest languages!  :HeartThrob:

P.S - yes interesting link, thanks! Especially these quotes

"Papias (150-170 CE) - Matthew composed the words in the Hebrew dialect, and each translated as he was able. [A quote by Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 3:39]

Ireneus (170 CE) - Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect. [Against Heresies 3:1]

Origen (210 CE) - The first [Gospel] is written according to Matthew, the same that was once a tax collector, but afterwards an apoltle of Jesus Christ who having published it for the Jewish believers, wrote it in Hebrew. [A quote by Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 6:25]

Eusebius (315 CE) - Matthew also, having first proclaimed the Gospel in Hebrew, when on the point of going also to the other nations, committed it to writing in his native tongue, and thus supplied the want of his presence to them by his writings. [Eccl. Hist. 3:24]"

...Matthew almost certainly, it seems, was likely written in Hebrew (Israeli dialect of Aramaic) as he sure seems to be writing to people of his own nation of Israel..
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Relatively New to UR
« Last post by Dandelion on July 29, 2015, 05:44:04 AM »
Hello johny,

Welcome! I hope you find this to be as much of a spiritual home, as I have.

Whow, New Zealand! I am originally from the Bronx, New York.

 :welcome:        :newb:
« Last post by jabcat on July 29, 2015, 05:36:34 AM »
Thanks, Karen, for all of your efforts and hard work!

       :bgdance:               :hithere:                 :reachout:               :Gclap:   

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