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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: U.R. in every New Testament book
« Last post by eaglesway on August 30, 2014, 01:47:00 AM »
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / U.R. in every New Testament book
« Last post by marie glen on August 30, 2014, 01:45:49 AM »
I think UR is in every book of the New Testament.. I'm focusing on this in my reading and paying closer attention to it. Today I read -

Philippians 3:21

(New King James Version, NKJV) -
21 "who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue aLL things to Himself."

(the Living Bible, TLB) -
21 "When he comes back, he will take these dying bodies of ours and change them into glorious bodies like his own, using the same mighty power that he will use to conquer all else everywhere."

(Young's Literal Translation, YLT) -
21 "who shall transform the body of our humiliation to its becoming conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working of his power, even to subject to himself the all things."

(New American Standard Bible, NASB) -
21 "who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself."

 :Peace2: :girlheart:
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Lounge / Re: john 3:36
« Last post by eaglesway on August 30, 2014, 01:38:18 AM »
I was just thinking.. if Revelation was fulfilled in 70a.d. why was it even written? having been written about 90 a.d.?

peace and God bless.. :smile:

I guess to tell people in parable and mystery what had already occurred in their plain site? :dontknow:
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Lounge / Re: As the days of Noah
« Last post by eaglesway on August 30, 2014, 01:36:20 AM »
hmmm, I wonder if there is a UR forum where different doctrinal ideas are hashed out.....? as any where else any mention of UR will cause one to be ignored at best..

Most of the doctrinal ideas that become strivings have nothing to do with UR and can be argued anywhere.

It has been stated over and over that this site was not formed for that puprose. I for one enjoy discussing almost anything. I just dont enjoy debating because someone else is "teaching" debatable points as fact.

If someone really wants to "hash things out" they can go to threads where these same issues have been hashed and hashed and hashed.

But that isnt satisfactory for someone who prefers to teach and debate their theological systems.

The owner and moderators of the site would rather see less posting and membership than reams of posts driven by the spirit of debate over theological issues tangental to UR.
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Lounge / Re: john 3:36
« Last post by joeteekay on August 30, 2014, 01:35:43 AM »
I agree marie glen

All was not fulfilled. The book has much to do with future prophetic events IMO

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Lounge / Re: john 3:36
« Last post by marie glen on August 30, 2014, 01:32:30 AM »
I was just thinking.. if Revelation was fulfilled in 70a.d. why was it even written? having been written about 90 a.d.?

peace and God bless.. :smile:
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Lounge / Re: john 3:36
« Last post by eaglesway on August 30, 2014, 01:27:16 AM »
 :2c:

Those who sleep will awaken. Those who remain alive will follow. Some who are not sleeping, but are among the spirits of righteous men made perfect(Hebrews 12:22-24) will be in His vanguard. This, imo, is what Paul says he was hoping to "attain to" in Phil 3.

Who are they? Perhaps overcomers from throughout the ages. Where are they?The categorizing of where the dead and departed are is a science of opinion for the most part. As I see it God has more categories, options, abodes than most any systematic theology will allow for. Our boxes are always to small and too one dimensional. Our God has infinite dimensions and we cant see into them nearly so far as we would like to think we do.

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 12 contains a picture of the eternal assembly. It has components. Those components are in different "rooms" or abodes as far as time is concerned, but they are all one aionian tabernacle also. As paul said several times, "In the presence of God and His holy angels I have decided to...etc". Paul acted in concert and council with the heavenly assembly as the prophets before him had as well.

Zec 3:7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

Ezekiel 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.

Psalm 83:1 Elohim takes his place in his own assembly.
    He pronounces judgment among the gods(mighty ones):

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God(spirits of righteous men made perfect): I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:


the cosmology of these polarizing theologies seems too limited to me. I dont think they come anywhere near enveloping the truth about the things they assert so confidently. :o)
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Lounge / Re: As the days of Noah
« Last post by marie glen on August 30, 2014, 01:13:13 AM »
hmmm, I wonder if there is a UR forum where different doctrinal ideas are hashed out.....? as any where else any mention of UR will cause one to be ignored at best..
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Lounge / Re: As the days of Noah
« Last post by FreeAtLast on August 30, 2014, 01:04:14 AM »
FAL, In your opinion it is evident. I would like to remind us all that the forum is for the purpose of teaching and celebrating the salvation of all- not for debating peripheral doctrinal issues.

Everyone is free to discuss peripheral issues in a collegial tone, but debates over preterism or soul sleep or the Godhead, or the law and the Sabbath or any of the other tangental beliefs of a membership that comes from many theological backgrounds are not allowed to become distractions from our purpose- declaring the victorious gospel of Jesus Christ. Teaching preterism on the site is not within the functional parameters of the site. Teaching Sabbath keeping is not within the functional parameters of the site.

There are other sites for that stuff. This is not that kind of site.

No one is allowed to teach there systematic theology on this site.

There are threads on this site where the issues have been debated ad nauseum and the opinions of the various members are already well and thoroughly expressed. Anyone who is really interested in these subjects can find them and hear every available perspective.

Anyone who wants to "re-teach" these various views is on the wrong site.

Please keep this in mind in the future- then site is for seekers concerning the salvation of all, and fellowship among those who already believe it. peace, John


sorry---I just like to discuss Yah's words and get other perspectives--helps us all to learn--but I will not post anything else at your request  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:
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Lounge / Re: john 3:36
« Last post by Seth on August 30, 2014, 01:04:00 AM »
The ambiguity here is the phrase "soul death." A soul being dead to me is the result of sin separating us from God in our minds. That's soul death. I understand what you mean by soul death as in immortality vs mortality. But I see a distinguishing between the promised immortality, and the life in Christ which puts an end to death, which is to be carnally minded.

Life and immortality are not the same thing. Life is "righteousness unto life" which is what the free gift is. The free gift that is upon all men, is the same thing as "the grace which brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us to abandon unrighteousness in this present age."

That's aionios zoe, the life of the age. Immortality will be added to that life as Paul says "this mortal must put on immortality."

The free gift is that God gives his Spirit without man needing to work for it. Man believes in Christ, Christ breaks the carnal mind, and brings life away from unrighteousness. That's righteousness unto life.

That's why I tell you that the saints in Jerusalem in 70AD were made alive in Christ before the Romans destroyed it. They were made alive according to the Romans 6 definition of being resurrected in Christ. Freedom from sin.
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