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Christian Life / Re: Wheat and Tares
« Last post by saintwalee on July 21, 2014, 01:43:14 AM »
Rev 22:11  He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

It is not by works, but by faith.

I suppose that is why Jesus taught us to pray; "... forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us...".

Thanks for the the replies.  :high5:
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Book of Revelation / Re: False Israel
« Last post by saintwalee on July 21, 2014, 01:29:51 AM »
Hi Rosered:

I just wanted to pull a verse out of your post and examine that:

 5And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."


This could be used against the UR thought. There are other scriptures as well that appear that the unrighteous will not receive everlasting life.

So how can this be reconciled?

Rom 9:8  That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


1Co 15:49  And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


So I think "They" means everyone, our sinful fleshly nature.

In summary by Paul:
1Co 15:51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co 15:56  The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57  But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


Amen to that!
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Christian Life / Re: Wheat and Tares
« Last post by Seth on July 21, 2014, 12:43:01 AM »
Hi Saintwalee,

Here are my thoughts about your question, why do the tares grow with the wheat? First, here is Christ's own explanation of the parable:

Matthew 13
36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field." 37 And He said, "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40 So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


The tares are "sons of the wicked one" as opposed to "the sons of the kingdom." The field is "the world." So why do the tares grow with the wheat? My thoughts go to a passage in Peter:

1 Peter 1
5(the born again) are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations (trials and tribulations): 7That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 8Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.


The sons of the wicked one are kept in the field (the world) with the sons of the kingdom for "the trial of your faith which is more precious than gold." To take away the tares is like taking away gold from the church:

1 Peter 4
12Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
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Book of Revelation / Re: Pope Francis End Times
« Last post by Lazarus Short on July 20, 2014, 10:57:13 PM »
Satan and his people mean it for evil - however, God means it for good.  Do not those who are persecuted inherit a better resurrection?  I think of the fellow who was pulled out of the fire by his RCC persecutors, who thought he had given them a sign that he was ready to repent - but no, he told them, "Why do you interfere with my happiness?"
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Christian Life / Re: 'In Christ'...How?
« Last post by rosered on July 20, 2014, 10:25:32 PM »
Thank you Rose,

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that people are being gathered into his body, the church, and that they are in Christ at that point. Those who do not believe I think you would be saying are not in Christ yet, and that they are dead to God until he gives them life.

 Very well said Ronen  , Better than I could  :thumbsup:
  They are alive because of Jesus Christ is what I also meant to say ,  Because the Father and & Son are One ,
but that was another  thread ...
Gods  Blessings
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Christian Life / Re: 'In Christ'...How?
« Last post by gregoryfl on July 20, 2014, 09:14:55 PM »
Thank you Rose,

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that people are being gathered into his body, the church, and that they are in Christ at that point. Those who do not believe I think you would be saying are not in Christ yet, and that they are dead to God until he gives them life.
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Book of Revelation / Re: Pope Francis End Times
« Last post by sheila on July 20, 2014, 08:36:56 PM »
 ps..there is an ex-jesuit's book on their agenda at 9 Nania site...worth a look!
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Book of Revelation / Re: Pope Francis End Times
« Last post by sheila on July 20, 2014, 08:29:53 PM »
 heavy burdens placed on men's shoulders impossible to bear,for sure.  persecution without a personal

 relationship with God/Jesus would be impossible to bear.  If they say..'a personal relationship with God

 is not possible,then they testify they haveno such relationship".....those who say 'Lord,Lord..and He says

  I do not know you"

   that aside..persecution has increased........because of acts of loose conduct the truth will be spken against

...such as all the despicable evil murder done in the name of God...........the beast will hate the

harlot[Babylon].........

    Israel was angry due to two of his sons causing his name to be a stench in the earth over Dinah.....

   he cursed their cruelty.   I can't help think that the same is true for Father and Jesus Christ.
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Book of Revelation / Re: False Israel
« Last post by rosered on July 20, 2014, 07:53:29 PM »
I also wonder about the 70X7   that Jesus used 

  and thought of  70 years being all the days of our earthly life perhaps ?   
70x7 = 70 weeks (of Daniel)

They didn't give their land rest on the during 70 Sabbath years. God forgave them but finally they had to pay back with 490 years in exile (70x7)

490 years in exile?
That's obviously very wrong  :doh:  :footmouth:
A more correct explanation is that Israel didn't keep Sabbath years during a period of 490 years. That's 70 Sabbath cycles. A Sabbath is every 7th year.
Because they didn't keep 70 Sabbaths they were sent into exile for 70 years.



http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/a-different-490-years/
http://www.markbeast.com/70jubilees/norest.htm
http://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/the-secrets-of-time/msg121678/#msg121678
   
 
 
  :thumbsup:  entering   His  rest         A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God

1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.

 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.
 
 3  Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

"So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' "
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.


4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "On the seventh day God rested from all his works."

 5And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."

6Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience,


 7God again set a certain day, calling it "Today." This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts."


8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.


9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;



10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works,e just as God did from his.


11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

12For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.


13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Jesus the Great High Priest

14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.

 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we areóyet he did not sin.

16Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
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Book of Revelation / Re: False Israel
« Last post by WhiteWings on July 20, 2014, 07:46:29 PM »
I also wonder about the 70X7   that Jesus used 

  and thought of  70 years being all the days of our earthly life perhaps ?   
70x7 = 70 weeks (of Daniel)

They didn't give their land rest on the during 70 Sabbath years. God forgave them but finally they had to pay back with 490 years in exile (70x7)

490 years in exile?
That's obviously very wrong  :doh:  :footmouth:
A more correct explanation is that Israel didn't keep Sabbath years during a period of 490 years. That's 70 Sabbath cycles. A Sabbath is every 7th year.
Because they didn't keep 70 Sabbaths they were sent into exile for 70 years.



http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/a-different-490-years/
http://www.markbeast.com/70jubilees/norest.htm
http://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/the-secrets-of-time/msg121678/#msg121678
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