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I think it's crazy when folks bring up the Hitler thing because what they're really saying is that God should be much worse than Hitler. I think torturing the majority of humanity forever by keeping them all alive in fire is much worse than what Hitler did, and to say it's necessary for justice to be done is to have a distorted idea of God's judgment which is always corrective.

I'm reminded of a poem once quoted by one of my creative writing teachers:

If you see a blind man
kick him!
Why should you be kinder than God?
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: A little experiment I want to test.
« Last post by Tom on November 22, 2014, 03:07:34 AM »
I want to become a writer, but I am working on a separate project. A project that takes a verse from the Bible, quotes it correctly and then a verse helped that adds the "Eternal Torment" spin to it. Here is an example:

What the verse says:
Revelations 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

How the Church interprets the verse:
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any pain for those that dwell within in the Holy City. For the former things shall be reserved for the heathens that will dwell in the Lake of Fire forever.

Any feedback good or bad would be greatly appreciated.

"The lake of fire" will not last forever because it is "the second death" (Revelation 20:14), and death will be "abolished" (1 Corinthians 15:26).
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God made time.

"in accord with the purpose of the eons, which He makes in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 3:11)

He is not bound by time. That's why he knows what we perceive as the future.
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: A little experiment I want to test.
« Last post by UniversalSceptic on November 22, 2014, 02:53:32 AM »
Seems to me ETrs say God will be all in a few and the rest will burn outside of Him and He outside of them forever.
That's the purpose of that little experiment. To show what the verse says by that and then add there interpretation into the verse. My hope is if they see the original verse and then see the verse with their interpretation actually inserted into the verse, that would rethink there stance. I don't know maybe it's a fools errand.
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Right, what he is saying can't be true because God transcends time, and therefore knows the future. So man is not able to make a choice that God does not already foresee.
Well in all fairness, I forget that God transcends time and I think it is easier to say God transcend time then actually try to comprehend. Not to mention, the church says God is all powerful, but always limits his power in whatever way works best with the hell doctrine.
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Hellbusters Hallow / Re: God is real, but hell is a lie.
« Last post by Tom on November 22, 2014, 02:12:21 AM »
Thanks Rose and Micah, but I interpret Babylon literally in scripture.
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Right, what he is saying can't be true because God transcends time, and therefore knows the future. So man is not able to make a choice that God does not already foresee.
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Read and be as amazed as I was at what this person said.
Just to clarify, this person also said: "People can change, thus changing there fate".

But they cannot change God. God says "I change not." Therefore, if God knows something before you were born, if his knowledge changes, then God is shown as being wrong in his original knowledge.
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I'm not "shocked" or "amazed" because this is just the false doctrine of orthodoxy. I do not believe man's "choice" overrides God's will or there is any "burning in hell."
Well I seriously can't believe this person can say "God knows we will ultimately end up in Heaven or Hell, but he doesn't know for sure where we will end up until we turn to him or die". Is this the first time you've seen this or is it just because I am newer to this. When he said that, I gave up because I knew there was getting no through to him.
Like I said, that's the orthodox doctrine of salvation by works. The thing about free will is man wants to think he's in charge of his destiny, but God "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11). "He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world, we to be holy and flawless in His sight" (Ephesians 1:4). We don't "choose" to be saved because we were chosen for eonian life in Christ long before we were even born, but eventually all mankind will be saved at the consummation of the eons (1 Corinthians 15:20-28).
I get what you are saying, but what surprised me as him saying that God is omniscient and he sees u sin Hell, but if we come to him then he sees us in Heaven. Doesn't that mean God isn't omniscient if what he is saying were to be true?
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Hellbusters Hallow / Re: God is real, but hell is a lie.
« Last post by Tom on November 22, 2014, 12:42:19 AM »
I understand, and I agree that the most important thing is helping our brothers and sisters who are deceived to see the truth.
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