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EVIL

THE PURPOSE OF EVIL
http://www.savior-of-all.com/the%20purpose%20of%20evil.pdf

THE "EVIL" FROM THE LORD MICHAEL KILLIAN

"All men will be saved. But God isn't trying to redeem everyone in this age, only that chosen generation that Paul spoke of.

Believing that the evil in this world has its purpose for good will bring much peace to your heart. And then to realize that God in someway, somehow, will eventually use evil to bring about good for everyone, will further add to your peace. As this revelation of the Prince of Peace is unfolded to your turbulent, battle-weary heart, you will start to more continuously abide in His love.

God not only 'allows' evil in this present world, but rather ordains it. No more, and no less evil than God Himself determines, will happen to anyone during any certain day."

THE FEET MINISTRY DON BRUCE

"The mission of Christ was to destroy the enemy and to set the prisoners free. Now this word 'destroy' does not mean to annihilate. In the Greek it means to make of no effect. When Christ took the keys from the prison keeper he, Satan, lost all power and authority. Christ made his office of no effect (Heb. 2:14&15).

While prophets of doom forecast calamity and destruction, the mind of Christ speaks and lights our world with the vision of universal restoration and reconciliation.

Paul told of a great victory where every knee would bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Paul did not say that only a small number will bow and confess, but he said every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess. And no man can call Jesus Lord but by the Holy Spirit. What a glorious day that will be when every foot steps forth in the river of life up to the ankle, and from the ankle up to the knee. Every knee shall bow!

We are not an accident! We are not a mistake! No one has been overlooked by the Creator. All of us are His jewels, the apple of His eye, His purpose, reason and will.
When we see God in all things, and realize that all things are in His hands for the eventual good of everyone, then our lives will flow as peacefully as a river."

FUNDAMENTALS OR BASIS OF BELIEF Thomas Griffith

"We will get good out of evil. Our gracious Educator does evolve for us out of corruption, temptation and sin, new purposes, new skill, new triumphs.

Beyond the overruling of intermediate evil into subserviency to a higher good, what has been superinduced as a transition state of things is therefore seen to be necessary only for a time. It will pass away with the functions which it is made to fulfill. It will at last be superseded by the highest good for everyone."

JUSTIFICATION DONALD G. HAYTER

"Although God introduced sin through the agency of His creatures, yet He did not sin in so doing. For it was no mistake, no failure of His. It was in accord with His intention, and it will be justified by the beneficial results obtained through its agency.
God is justified in all He does, for His final intention to glorify Himself and bless all of His creatures is the dominating purpose which adds luster to all His eonian operations.
In the brilliant glory of His ultimate, the most somber and gloomy features of earth's history are transformed into a brilliant display of His power, wisdom, and love.

During the final eons, every creature in the heavens, and on earth, and under the earth, will have learned of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the depths of the Father's love revealed in them. And every knee will bow to Him Who died, acclaiming Him Lord, for the glory of God the Father. Very feebly we can enter into the joy, the satisfaction, the thankfulness that will be His as He views the vast potentials of love and adoration that will be pulsing within the heart of everyone.

Thus will all ultimately be justified. God's matchless wisdom, serving in the cause of His love, has produced a method of salvation that calls forth the adoring wonder of our hearts. What a God we have!"

THE EPICURIAN Thomas Moore

"The God of benevolence, in Whose hands sin and death are but instruments of everlasting good, and Who, bringing all things 'out of darkness into His marvelous light,' proceeds watchfully, and unchangingly to the great, final object of His providence, the restoration of the whole human race to purity and happiness."

A SNIPPET FROM THE PURPOSE OF GOD'S WILL GUY MARKS

"God prearranged it all, from the fall of man to the glory of the consummation. Not one thing was left to chance. All was founded on His wisdom.

To some, evil is never to cease. God is never able, as they see it, to bring about so much good that all evil will vanish. They try to justify God with the false teaching that man is a free moral agent, whereas the only freedom of man which the scriptures affirm is the freedom of deliverance we find alone in Christ Jesus."

THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL RAY PRINZING

"God is sovereign, and He controls all the interaction of evil and good, and causes all to redound to His own glory. It is not what was lost by the fall was to be regained by redemption, BUT by the interaction of FALL AND REDEMPTION, God achieves greater, wiser, nobler, and higher goals for everyone than by the Adamic race remaining in its pristine state.

Evil and good are synchronized to accomplish God's will and purpose, so that the ultimate goal shall reveal all evil transformed back into good, and all negation cancelled out by GOOD. Evil is allowed for wise ends, and when these are secured it must cease to exist, for God will restore all things into good. HE controls all the interaction between evil and good until His purpose of the ages is fulfilled. Then shall God be All in all."

CONVERSATIONS ON THE DIVINE GOVERNMENT Theophilus Lindsey

"The doctrine of eternal torments is a millstone that Christians hang around the neck of the Gospel. The words translated 'eternal,' 'everlasting,' 'forever,' and the like, generally signify limited periods of duration.

Everything is from God, and for the good of all. All things, good as well as what we call evil, are appointed by Infinite Wisdom and Benevolence, for the wisest and most gracious purposes for everyone."


THE PURPOSE OF EVIL GUY MARKS

"Evil begins with God and is a necessary part of His plan. It is the method He uses to accomplish His purpose. Usually when man works evil he sins because His motives are wrong, but this is not true of God for His motive is always to produce good. God uses the forces of evil to bring about good.

The teaching that sin and death are eternal is a travesty of God's character, for it presents God standing by in complacency while Satan introduces an evil that all but destroys the human race.

The purpose of evil is to establish a background for a display of God's love and grace which we could never know apart from the experience of sin. Evil is a necessary part of God's purpose to mold us and to fashion us in the image of His beloved Son. Evil is a problem only to those who fail to see God's purpose in it and who refuse to believe that God will bring blessings to all mankind through His dealings with evil and sin. The forces of evil cannot continue beyond the circumference of God's purpose in it. God always has control over the forces of evil and evil never has any power apart from the authority of God. God has complete control over Satan and all of his activities.

The teaching that sin is to continue eternally blinds our minds to an understanding of the purpose of evil. Those who have made the greatest progress in seeking out the revelation of the cross no longer consider evil to be a problem, for the cross of Christ will turn all the evil of sin into infinite good. God will do infinitely more than repudiate sin and abolish death. He will not simply restore the human race to the status of Adam in the garden.

God's grace differs from Adam's offence because it will accomplish far more than Adam lost. Then too that which resulted from Adam's offense is temporary but the results of grace will be permanent. Grace more than meets the need for it exceeds the need by far. It is enough and to spare for it is a superabundance. And this proves conclusively that the ruin caused by Adam's sin is overcome and more by the superabundance of grace.

Before the eons, before there was any evil, before there was any sin, God designated all the events that would make sure that not one would be trapped in the forces of evil, but that all would be delivered from death and sin. God prearranged it all, from the fall of man to the glory of the consummation. Not one thing was left to chance. All was founded on His wisdom.

To some evil will never cease, or so they believe. God is never able, or at least He never tries to bring about so much good that all evil will vanish. They try to justify God with the false teaching that man is a free moral agent. But the only freedom of man that the scriptures present is the freedom that comes through the deliverance which is in Christ Jesus."

THE STRANGER IN LOWELL John Greenleaf Whittier

"Through discords of sin and sorrow, pain and wrong, truth rises, a deathless melody whose notes of wailing are hereafter to be changed to those of triumph as they blend with the great harmony of a reconciled universe."

THE PEOPLE'S OWN BOOK F. De La Mennais (1782-1854)
"If suffering was eternal, we should be compelled to conceive of it as independent, as subsisting by itself, or to admit something still more monstrous, for if it was not self-existent, if it was dependant on the divine will, God would be the direct author of eternal suffering.

But what Christ said is now and ever will be true:- 'Come unto me all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.' And one day all will come unto Him. The world, deluged with light, and feeling within itself, with the revival of hope, the revival also of faith and love, shall salute that day with songs of joy."
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Christian Life / Re: Truth and Falsehood
« Last post by rosered on July 04, 2015, 01:50:06 PM »

 
 Thank you for this Ronen !
   I find it amazing !
  I know that  God works in  mysterious ways  ,  upon humanity
  but when you can spiritually  "see"   Him doing something   marvelous , you can only rejoice in him !!
 
 My sister and I were talking about, " what is truth ?"   just a  couple of days ago

 
 I thought of Pilate , asking Jesus "What is truth ?"      and  unbeknown to   this man  ,  he knew in his heart what was truth  , by what he declared and done !!
 
 He saw no fault in Jesus Christ  and told them so and  washed his hands of the innocent blood!! and it troubled him   that they wanted to put Christ to death !
 
 I thought of James 4 in the scriptures   
 wash your hands you sinners of shedding innocent blood   obedience is better than sacrifice !    This applying to us all    in the sense of   TRUTH!!  :HeartThrob:
 
 7Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom.
 
Seeing Pilate     as the example of  knowing the truth and being set free !!  and Him being carnal and  yet the Spirit of truth  was dealing within  him .


37Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice." 38Pilate said to Him, "What is truth?" And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews and said to them, "I find no guilt in Him. 39"But you have a custom that I release someone for you at the Passover; do you wish then that I release for you the King of the Jews?"
 
      Three  questions   in  our quest    in searching for God   , for me was    What is truth ?      ,  What is Spirit ?  ,  and What is Love ? 

  Those are the simple yet   very profound answers I needed to settle me down from my      double mindedness   and the struggle of have both minds  one of heaven and one of the earth     and how to make them   reconcile  with each other ,  Knowing now     having to exchange one for the other       , because both were driving me crazy!!
 
  needing the" mind of Christ "  being pure  and holy  before God and the  carnal mind   that stayed in fear and torment  and misery  of God
 
   I now know that the Truth has set me free    , because while under the law   and in  falsehood    and the carnal mind had to be "    bound "  so the mind of Christ could rule and reign in me , being first  what was last  and     what was first was the carnal mind  and make it last   or past  being  behind me
 
 
 I thought when you said  ,   The falsehood  can be said to be when someone only looks at a small facet of the whole of something.
 
 I SAY AMEN!!!    Great observation  Ronen !!!
 
  When those religious leaders    "caught the woman in the act of adultery  "  and wanted to stone her to death  ,  under the law you die without mercy under  two or  3 witnesses   
 
 
 But Jesus knowing all the hearts and      having the SPIRIT OF TRUTH     knows the beginning to the end   of everyone's hearts   and lives 
 
 He let them know if they wanted to follow the law truthfully , they could only kill her   if they were   perfect   and they all knew in their hearts  they were not by the
 
 Spirit of truth[GOD ]  in them and  left one by one   , and being alone with her , Jesus  acquitted her    error  , showing mercy     and told her how to live  in the 

  Spirit of truth  , her experience with Jesus changed her  course and life     by Holy Spirit conviction a formal declaration that someone is guilty of a criminal offense, made by the verdict of a jury or the decision of a judge in a court of law:[ the Law of Love and mercy ]

synonyms: declaration of guilt sentence judgment
a firmly held belief or opinion
 
   I am so thankful to God  right now for letting us know     things  openly  ,  some things  I knew in my heart  and yet they were hidden  from my  eyes of understanding them  things
 I  believe this is happening to so many right now or just maybe    its true we are becoming spiritually aware    of what pleases God   though the Life of Christ
 
  :HeartThrob:  I sure do enjoy your studies brother     , many here have blessed my socks off and helped me discover  and uncover "hidden  truths "
 
 in Gods holy ways and mysteries and    revealing Himself to us  ,  Jesus is the Light of the World and truth is being   seen and heard and known  in our hearts 

   Truly joy comes in the morning light   as the DAY dawns/rises  in us   :dsunny:
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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello to All
« Last post by rosered on July 04, 2015, 01:02:41 PM »

 
  Greetings  and welcome Twiggy  ,
 So glad you are here !
 
 We share a somewhat similar background   girl!

So  many of us can  relate .
 
  I know now, its the call  , the Lord  has chosen you to  "come out of her my people ,  unless you receive her plagues . spare you spiritual harm .you are loved .
 
  For me it was the Call     that the Father makes  to join  in worshipping Him in Spirit and  truth   and seeks   them   and calls them out of the world 
 To come up here    !  being seated with Christ in heavenly places      and give us the mind of Christ
 
   His Spirit   , for me  , It is the Lord Jesus Christ that completes  us   after the Father examines our hearts  and gives us the gift of faith to believe in His Son Jesus Christ .  after going though the law  of Moses  [dying to self ]    and even being sent to Babylon [spiritual prison ]   many schoolmasters   to lead us to Christ    an abundant Life  for Gods pleasure ,,,

     in our  trials of  faith , hope and Love being the greatest   fruits of the HOLY SPIRIT
Being the author and finisher of our faith   

 It is Jesus Christ that grants us understanding   by opening the seals of the Book of Life and it is His Story    that we  can share and have part in  HIS LIFE !

:HeartThrob:   The Father  delights in faith  without it , it is impossible to please Him and  obedience  is far better than sacrifices  made for not obeying
  leading to sin that is missing  , a part or share in the Life of Christ in my  understanding  , He come to give us  His Life and  abundantly   so we can Live in the SPIRIT & TRUTH  WITH HIM  now   and there is no end  to His Life  nor Spirit  nor Love    they are  the  very  core and source   of all   existence   in  GOD
 
  Lo I come in the volume of a book written of Me   Hebrews 10 Christ's Sacrifice Once for All
6IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE.


 7"THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.'"


 8 After saying above, "SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, NOR HAVE YOU TAKEN PLEASURE in them" (which are offered according to the Law),
 
  author Strong's G747 - archēgos
ἀρχηγός
Transliteration
archēgos

the chief leader, prince

of Christ

one that takes the lead in any thing and thus affords an example, a predecessor in a matter, pioneer

the author  An author is broadly defined as "the person who originated or gave existence to anything" and whose authorship determines responsibility for what was created. Narrowly defined, an author is the originator of any written work and can also be described as a writer.
 
 
He is the WORD of God made flesh      and the seed is Christ  in you the Hope of glory  and Hope lives   in us  though LOVE  OF GOD for us all
 
   the incorruptible seed  is sinless , holy and pure     and is not prone  to    error or corruption  ,
 This is my joy and hope in Jesus Christ   for all mankind   BECAUSE OF HIS GREAT LOVE   sending His Son Jesus Christ to make the way  and complete us  and present us holy and clean before the Father   to be all in all !
 
 I get excited and carried away in the Spirit  of Gods loving embrace  and presence in our lives !
 
 God has  given us a good safe haven at the Tentmakers  were we all love one another and share in the experiences that   God is with us
 
 so glad to have you  sister  :HeartThrob:
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Christian Life / Truth and Falsehood
« Last post by gregoryfl on July 04, 2015, 11:01:25 AM »
The word for truth in Hebrew is אמת. It consists of the first letter of the alephbet, the middle letter, and the last letter.
The word for falsehood in Hebrew is שקר. It consists of three letters all right next to each other.

We can learn something from these two words on a deeper level, concerning what makes up truth, and what makes up falsehood.

Truth involves letters that begin at the beginning, continue through the middle, and on until the very end of the alephbet.

Truth therefore, can be said to be when we look at the entire picture of something.

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In contrast, falsehood involves letter that begin, continue, and end all together at a limited part of the alephbet.

Falsehood therefore, can be said to be when someone only looks at a small facet of the whole of something.

Whether we are talking about Universal Reconciliation, or any other thing on this message board, or in our relationship with those around us, may the mental picture I hope I have put in your minds serve us all well in being able and equipped to always see and speak the truth.

Ronen
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Perhaps you can cllarify for me what you mean by "Nobody knows who they are". That statement is at the core of where we disagree.

I don't think so John. I don't appreciate how you have been to me late in this conversation and I don't think anything fruitful will come of it.

Of course.
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When we believe we are saved by GRACE, through FAITH, then the arrow points DOWN. God is the one who is continually sending his GRACE to us, which gives us our ability to do GOOD WORKS. He is our 'lifeline',our source, our strength, to do Good Works. Not ourselves. In a nutshell, He is the vine, we are the branches....... without Him, we can do NOTHING.

Hi Dandelion,

What I believe is that it's not us who are able to do good works, even if we have that realization, but that it's God who does the works through us. That's why there is no boasting in ourselves.

As I said in previous posts, Grace chastens us to abandon ungodliness (Titus 2:11). And Hebrews talks about how when God chastens us, we experience the peaceable fruit of righteousness thereby. It's all of God not of us.

The end goal, I believe, of faith is as Peter put it in 2 Peter 2, to "escape the pollution of the world." The way he speaks about it reveals that salvation/healing/deliverance is an dis-entanglement from pollution. That's what works have to do with salvation, becoming disentangled, and not returning.

That word "escape" reminds me of "delivered" or "saved."

We don't escape drowning just by believing the life vest is there, we must also put it on and not take it back off.

In the same way, we don't escape the pollution of the world by only believing Jesus exists, but ALSO by receiving the Spirit and walking by the Spirit.

Hi Seth. Yes, faith is just the beginning.

The faith of a mustard seed, will begin a transformation. Unless we start to say NO, there will be no stopping God. His grace will pour out on us and make us new.

More and more of Him in us, less of the 'old man', who used to be ourselves.

As a teacher, I picture a sand table, being emptied of the sand, and then it can be filled with water, instead. We 'pull the plug' on our old lives and allow God to fill us with Himself.

Isaiah 40:  30Though youths grow weary and tired, And vigorous young men stumble badly, 31Yet those who wait for the LORD Will gain new strength; They will mount up with wings like eagles, They will run and not get tired, They will walk and not become weary.

Galatians 2: 19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. 20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. 21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

Amen  :dsunny:
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Perhaps you can cllarify for me what you mean by "Nobody knows who they are". That statement is at the core of where we disagree.

I don't think so John. I don't appreciate how you have been to me late in this conversation and I don't think anything fruitful will come of it.
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When we believe we are saved by GRACE, through FAITH, then the arrow points DOWN. God is the one who is continually sending his GRACE to us, which gives us our ability to do GOOD WORKS. He is our 'lifeline',our source, our strength, to do Good Works. Not ourselves. In a nutshell, He is the vine, we are the branches....... without Him, we can do NOTHING.

Hi Dandelion,

What I believe is that it's not us who are able to do good works, even if we have that realization, but that it's God who does the works through us. That's why there is no boasting in ourselves.

As I said in previous posts, Grace chastens us to abandon ungodliness (Titus 2:11). And Hebrews talks about how when God chastens us, we experience the peaceable fruit of righteousness thereby. It's all of God not of us.

The end goal, I believe, of faith is as Peter put it in 2 Peter 2, to "escape the pollution of the world." The way he speaks about it reveals that salvation/healing/deliverance is an dis-entanglement from pollution. That's what works have to do with salvation, becoming disentangled, and not returning.

That word "escape" reminds me of "delivered" or "saved."

We don't escape drowning just by believing the life vest is there, we must also put it on and not take it back off.

In the same way, we don't escape the pollution of the world by only believing Jesus exists, but ALSO by receiving the Spirit and walking by the Spirit.

Hi Seth. Yes, faith is just the beginning.

The faith of a mustard seed, will begin a transformation. Unless we start to say NO, there will be no stopping God. His grace will pour out on us and make us new.

More and more of Him in us, less of the 'old man', who used to be ourselves.

As a teacher, I picture a sand table, being emptied of the sand, and then it can be filled with water, instead. We 'pull the plug' on our old lives and allow God to fill us with Himself.

Isaiah 40:  30Though youths grow weary and tired, And vigorous young men stumble badly, 31Yet those who wait for the LORD Will gain new strength; They will mount up with wings like eagles, They will run and not get tired, They will walk and not become weary.

Galatians 2: 19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. 20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. 21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."



 

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Perhaps you can cllarify for me what you mean by "Nobody knows who they are". That statement is at the core of where we disagree.
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I don't mind agreeing to disagree. I just don't like having things I didn't say attributed to me then asking where I said it and getting nothing. That's all.
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