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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: newbie
« Last post by Lazarus Short on March 04, 2015, 08:33:02 PM »
WELCOME!

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE!!

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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by eaglesway on March 04, 2015, 08:31:43 PM »
There were thousands of years where no one had the internet to tell them whether it might be a pole or a cross. ;o)
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: The Mark of the Beast
« Last post by sheila on March 04, 2015, 08:28:35 PM »
...they can not live..for if a beast but touch the Holy mountain he shall be stoned.  therefore the law written on stoney hearts

  void of the spirit of love..puts to death...But look! On His Holy mountain the lion lays down with the lamb,a mere child shall put

  his hand into a den of cobra's and not be harmed...nothing will cause harm on His Holy Mountain.    His LOVE and Deliverance

  of His creation is not dependant on man's knowledge..but on HIS LOVE,LONG-SUFFERING.......and He shall teach His people.
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by Lazarus Short on March 04, 2015, 08:23:53 PM »
This is an article with more complete information than I was able to ascertain years ago when I put all the canned goods on the table, and broke the code myself:

http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html

It is very possible that the federal tax number which you must have to buy and sell in the commercial sphere of things, is the Mark.
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by Seth on March 04, 2015, 08:22:44 PM »
I believe for some the cross is an idol. I think for some it is simply a contact point for their love of Christ, who was crucified for them, and knowing what it actually looked like is immaterial. :o)

I agree. An idol is whatever one worships above God. The cross can be an idol but it can also be a remembrance of his sacrifice. It depends on the person. It can become legalism to set a rule that the cross is an idol for everyone because it removes the necessity for each person to analyze their own intent. A stick with a traverse bar is nothing of itself. What counts is what you bring to it of your heart. My opinion.

I can see why someone would abstain from association with a symbol of false doctrine, but I don't think that makes it an idol for everyone. I would have no problem putting a cross as a symbol for his sacrifice on my website as long as I am talking about what it truly accomplishes.

I think it's wrong to accuse people of worshipping something without factoring in the intent of the heart. An idol is nothing of itself.

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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by sheila on March 04, 2015, 08:21:44 PM »
he who loves has been born of God. Interesting how God said to Israel...I will make you jealous by a people without knowledge.......

    'If I be lifted up,I shall draw all men unto me"

     
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Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / Re: 1 Peter 4:18
« Last post by eaglesway on March 04, 2015, 08:21:21 PM »
I think this is partially tru, but in Revelations, it clearly details the second death as coming at the end of the 1000 years, after the second resurrection, and the GWT, so unless one embraces fulfilled theology or sees Revelations as totally metaphorical, I can't see any other way to incorporate all those verses in Mt 25; Rev 14, 19 & 20; Romans 2 in a single consistent paradigm, "an administration suitable to the fulness of times";"each in their own order"; "ages to come", without some measure of afterlife kolassis as a consequence for rejecting Christ, or doing evil during all of ones life, etc.

"You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come".

10.... wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

 "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

I see many verses that indicate that many times the evil do not always suffer until they stand before God in the resurrection, along with the literal statements of Jesus concerning kolassis, unless someone believes Jesus made no literal statements(with which I respectfully disagree).
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by eaglesway on March 04, 2015, 08:08:41 PM »
I believe for some the cross is an idol. I think for some it is simply a contact point for their love of Christ, who was crucified for them, and knowing what it actually looked like is immaterial. :o)
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Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / Re: 1 Peter 4:18
« Last post by Seth on March 04, 2015, 08:03:59 PM »
 :iagree:

I see the LOF as the death described in 1 Tim 5:6, the widow who seeks after pleasure is dead though she lives. And I think the Romans 2 reference shows that while man "reaps what he sows" God will have an active part in making sure that happens. I believe God will send a "destroyer to destroy" and houses built with fire resistant materials will be fine. Others will experience salvation, yet through that destruction. As Paul said "they shall not escape" the sudden destruction itself but shall be saved.
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by eaglesway on March 04, 2015, 08:02:02 PM »
I believe there are many good hearts in denominational churches. I believe there have been many throughout the generations of Christian faith after the early church became hidden in the heavenlies, only to manifest here and there around the world throughout the proceeding generations- serving the Lord according to the limits of their knowledge from a pure heart, and imo they will celibrate in the first or second resurrection- all cobwebs swept away. "Enter the joy of your Lord"

He endured the shame(of the cross) for the joy set before Him.

I think Christians who have seen more, are still somewhat blind to something I consider a fact- that God will not judge by knowledge, but rather by service and love. ""I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was thirsty and you fed me." I think the parable of the good Samaritan is sort of the prime teaching on the judgment of God and how it works in all the scripture.

The Samaritan man may not have known who he worshipped(Jesus told the woman at the well, "You Samaritans do not kno who you worship), but he was justified over and before the Parisee and the Levite, who knew, but did not do. :o)

The benefit of seeing more clearly is to set the creation(people) free from futility, not to judge them, as only God knows the secrets of men's hearts, and according to Romans 2 that is how He judges.
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