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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Who teaches?
« Last post by sheila on January 30, 2015, 05:37:53 AM »
Jesus asked Peter,'who do you say that I am" and Peter replied..'You are the Christ! the son of God!" Jesus said,'Blessed art

  thou,Peter,son of Jonah;for flesh and blood did not reveal this unto you,but the Father in heaven.

        ..........thou art Peter..and on this rock[revelation of God revealing the son,and the son revealing the Father]I will

   build my church,and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.     here also we have the reason that the elect are not deceived

  because God and Christ reveal to them. it is a true revelation..not teachings of men. No-one can come to the Father unless God

   draws him...unless God gives spiritual ears to hear,and eyes to see.  Comparing spiritual to spiritual.........these things are

  spiritually discerned....and are but foolishness to the unspiritual man.....

   we can speak of these things of God all day long..but unless God gives spiritual ears...it will not be heard[understood]


  to those that have ears..let them hear what the spirit is saying..

   ask,seek,knock...draw near to God and He will draw near to you......though He is never far off from any of us.

  let Him not be near on your lips,but your heart far off from Him.......many churches have Him on their lips,but not

  in their heart. there are many churches that teach commandments of men..and an outward show of worship..this sort

  of worship is in vain[name that they are alive[Christ on the lips] but are spiritually dead[spirit of Christ not in their heart]


  we all start out as babes...but God Himself will finish our training.....ALL YOUR"E CHILDREN WILL BE TAUGHT OF GOD

  we can do nothing of ourselves......if Jesus stated that it is the Father doing his works in me...all the more true for any

 of us...we are not to think ahead of time what we are to speak..but it will be given us in that hour by the Holy spirit what

 to say..........so..is it us speaking or the Holy spirit?
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Who teaches?
« Last post by Lazarus Short on January 30, 2015, 05:21:11 AM »
I doubt that the days spoken of in the quoted text have arrived yet.
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Who teaches?
« Last post by jojoross on January 30, 2015, 04:20:35 AM »
Yello!

So under the new covenant only God teaches by His spirit right? I mean we have the foolishness of preaching (1 cor 1:21), but we know that has to be spiritually ddiscerned. Look at this passage:

Hebrews 8:8-11 KJV

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:  And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Looks like from this verse only God teaches us in our hearts and minds. Love to hear some thoughts. Thanks!

God's peace,
Jordan
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Hellbusters Hallow / Re: Heaven, Yes...Hell, No
« Last post by Lazarus Short on January 30, 2015, 01:43:24 AM »


If this is only one aspect of your book, then what I stated really doesn't apply. Thanks for clarifying that. However, if you are aware that naysayers will attack the method as fallacy, then why give them ammunition?

Well, I'm leaning toward making what I've posted so far in this thread into a lengthy appendix.  You and WhiteWings are showing me that maybe it should not be the core of my argument.
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Lounge / Re: The lost son and lost sheep parables
« Last post by sheila on January 29, 2015, 11:39:13 PM »
EW...I disagree with it not showing UR or US.  and I do also acknowledge your light on how men shepherds should behave

  when sheep stray.  But you must also take into account that the 'shepherds' do not OWN THE SHEEP..and that is why

  they 'flee' from the salvation of ALL men[prodigals] when they behold the 'wolf' coming. Because of increasing lawlessness

  their love cools. But the 'GOOD" Shepherd[only God is good] OWNS THE SHEEP...the coin/sheep/son had a rightful

  'OWNER"  God 'OWNS" His creation and all it's creatures.....by taking into account this 'ownership' in the parables

   I believe it does support UR OR US and dis ET or salvation of just a few.

    God the Owner of  riches[whole creation as coin lost/small part of His creation as coin lost]

   God the 'owner' of flock of sheep[you men are the sheep of my pasturage] and not willing to suffer a portion of the loss of

   His flock.

   God as a Father..rejoicing and celebrating and honouring the restoration of His son,back to himself.

   it gets real personal when it's 'yours'  LOVE IS VERY VERY PERSONAL..and the loss of something you value highly

  moves you to take action. whether it is sweeping the floor to find it..searching for it..or going for to meet.
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Hellbusters Hallow / Re: Heaven, Yes...Hell, No
« Last post by JBerton on January 29, 2015, 11:27:40 PM »
JBerton and WhiteWings, you are both entirely correct.  However, what I am doing at present is only one aspect of the book I envision.  I have already written a short essay (you may have seen it somewhere in the Tentmaker forums) in which I kick out the "props of Hell."  I will probably expand on that, and have other things to say, also.  Actually, what I am posting about "no mention of Hell" will surely be attacked as a logical fallacy.  I'm just trying to cover all the bases and leave no "out" for Hell believers.

If this is only one aspect of your book, then what I stated really doesn't apply. Thanks for clarifying that. However, if you are aware that naysayers will attack the method as fallacy, then why give them ammunition?
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Hellbusters Hallow / Re: Heaven, Yes...Hell, No
« Last post by JBerton on January 29, 2015, 11:24:31 PM »
JBerton:
(snip)"The simple fact is, hell is not mentioned in any passage of any correctly translated bible.

Ronny to JBerton:
I agree.

JBerton:
The real issue isn't simply that hell isn't mentioned in a correctly translated bible.
The real issue is that there is no reason to believe anything that's not in a correctly translated bible.

Ronny to JBerton:
I disagree. Example? "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love and and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God and God in him." 1 John 4:16 King James Version. Now the KJV is not a perfect version,yet it quite correctly says,that God is love. :-)

Fine is you disagree, but I don't understand what you disagree with.

JBerton:
To complicate the issue, almost all Christians believe mainstream bible translations are perfect because they are protected by God.

Ronny to JBerton:
I was taught in the local church and used to believe,that only the King James Version was a 100% correctly translated Bible. And I believed to read in another translation,was sin or the next thing to sin. And why would I  want to read in such anyway,when I already had,the one and only true Bible?! :-) Or so I was taught to believe,in the local church I grew up in. But then,God showed/taught me better. :-) And it took me at least 2 trips to the local library,to actually pick up and take home,a non KJV  of the Bible,that they were giving away. And when I got it home,I let no one see it or see me reading in it! And lo and behold,as I read in it,I saw that it also contained the gospel of Jesus Christ and many other truths of
God. Was it a perfect translation? I'm sure it wasn't. But God used it,to help and teach me. So,God uses even nonperfect translations of the Bible,both in saving a lost person and in continueing to teach them.

JBerton:
Frankly, their bibles speak of eternal hell, and their leaders confirm it by teaching that sinners will be tormented there forever." (snip)

Ronny to JBerton:
Yes,some Bible translations do speak of hell and a hell,that is eternal. And yes,many preachers and teachers teach that. And many of us sit in the pews and believe that,because we have also been taught in church to believe,that to hear our preacher/teachers words,is the same as hearing directly from God. That's not true;but then many are brought up in local churches and taught to believe that such is true.

Excellent point. I hadn't thought of that, but I clearly remember that they do teach that very thing. Maybe it's true sometimes if a preacher/teacher is teaching from a correctly translated bible and is teaching directly from what he has received from God (consider Paul). However, that is not what's happening in most Christian churches these days.
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 :thumbsup: Seth...God also has a 'right' to forgive...and extend mercy unto mankind.  man died without mercy under the law

  covenant..due to sin...and thus all men died.  His decision to show mercy and restore....was prophesied to by Him

  with the promised seed of the woman..Jesus Christ..thus all men shall live.   a 'better' covenant..

   yet even through all the OT times under the law..He did exercise mercy in His judgements as He willed. Prophesying

   through His prophets and testifying of this promised seed/Christ/Messiah..that would save His people from their sins

 under the law covenant.   
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Yes. It's not of him who willeth or runneth but God who shows mercy. He does it not because the convict insists on mercy, but simply because he is God, and God is love, and love holds no record of being wronged.
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...rather than the 'right' of man to be saved....to me it is all about God's right and Jesus right. God has rights to

   His creation and man.....of which He testifies he did not create for simply nothing[vanity] but for His spirit

  to inhabit. These 'rights' of redemption to work salvation by His own arm[Jesus the right hand of His throne

 through the redemption cost done at the cross] and deliver man from evil bespeaks of His throne/Sovereignty.

  they miss the boat[Ark of HIS COVENANT] when they presume that the salvation of man has to do with the will

 of man/sovereignty of man....and it is all about God and His Glory..the salvation of man IS THE GLORY OF GOD.
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