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Hellbusters Hallow / A Post of Mine from Abovetopsecret
« Last post by Lazarus Short on May 21, 2015, 04:28:32 PM »
A fellow on ATS (aka 47.5) posted, stating that he could tell you in under a minute if you were going to Heaven or Hell, if you were good or evil.  My reply:

Well, Laz is now here, so you know what that means:

There is no Hell!

I will prove this in under a minute.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth.

Note: There is no mention that He made or created Hell.

John 1:3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

Note: God didn't do it, per Genesis, and If God didn't do it, no one else did either.

So - the creation is is a hierarchy: God, the Heavens, the Earth, mankind. The creation is NOT a dualistic Heaven versus Hell, with us as a prey in the middle.

Heaven, yes.

Hell, no.   

Well, that's what I posted, and I had never made that connection before, but it just popped into my mind at that moment.
Lounge / Re: Errors of faith?
« Last post by Lazarus Short on May 21, 2015, 03:34:44 PM »
Errors of faith?  What, like the Spanish Inquisition?!  They wiped out the Spanish protestants so throughly that history barely remembers that Spain ever had a protestant.  Unbelief may well have been better than that.
I can't help just now to think of all the Hellfire & Brimstone preaching versus Jesus who told the story of the shepherd who went out after the lost sheep.  How many preachers do that?  I remember years ago, sitting in a church meeting at which it was discussed who of those not in regular attendance to drop from the church rolls.  It made me vaguely uneasy, but I now know that that church, like most churches, was run on a business model, and letting the lost sheep go gave them better numbers on their church reports.

Anyway, welcome to the Tent, Stgrobb!   :friendstu: :gimmefive: :friendstu:
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: All
« Last post by ed on May 21, 2015, 03:27:49 PM »
Was just doing a crossword puzzle, and the clue for the word ALL, was "without exception".  :eek:


Yeah I was in a Bible cult that taught "all" had to be properly interpreted, "without exception" or "with condition" or all of a certain group.  It made it easy to manipulate passages of the Bible to suite preferred doctrine.

Cool hint for a crossword though!


Lounge / Re: Errors of faith?
« Last post by ed on May 21, 2015, 03:18:34 PM »
I recently came across this quote:

"The errors of faith are better than the best thoughts of unbelief."

Is it true?

It is easy to see that some errors not better then no faith.

On a deeper level, I agree with the quote as well.  It shows that faith gets maintinanced by our own error.  God allows us to be in error so we can see it, and make changes.  God still inspires us even though we are in error on some issues.  God works in ET, ED, and UR believer just the same.  I've found that universal reconciliation is the best concerning the results of faith.  I was in all three camps at one time or another.  ET for a shot period, ED for a good part of my adult life, and UR for about 15 years now.  Allowing faith to grow and change is a wonderful part of the human experience.

God drags us along.


Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: All
« Last post by sdileo on May 21, 2015, 03:12:51 PM »
Great thread...The power of God is in that word "all." Jesus being the Cornerstone and the Capstone, the Alpha and Omega.

Welcome, quincyjr!


The teaching of hell traumatized my young(i'm 50) psyche as well.  I remember going to youth group "singsparation" and singing "Life was filled with guns and war, and everyone got knocked down on the floor, I wish we'd all been ready..............".  I wept.

I went though a lot of faith changes since then, and was very glad when I learned of universal salvation.  Most of my adult life I favored annihilation.  It was a short step to think that God, who is love, would have no such thing.

I agree Tom:iagree:

A Word to the Elect

You may rejoice to think yourselves secure;
You may be grateful for the gift divine --
That grace unsought, which made your black hearts pure,
And fits your earth-born souls in Heaven to shine.
But, is it sweet to look around, and view
Thousands excluded from that happiness,
Which they deserved, at least, as much as you, --
Their faults not greater, nor their virtues less?

And, wherefore should you love your God the more,
Because to you alone his smiles are given;
Because he chose to pass the many o'er,
And only bring the favoured few to Heaven?

And, wherefore should your hearts more grateful prove,
Because for ALL the Saviour did not die?
Is yours the God of justice and of love
And are your bosoms warm with charity?

Say, does your heart expand to all mankind?
And, would you ever to your neighbour do --
The weak, the strong, the enlightened, and the blind -
As you would have your neighbour do to you?

And, when you, looking on your fellow-men,
Behold them doomed to endless misery,
How can you talk of joy and rapture then? --
May God withhold such cruel joy from me!

That none deserve eternal bliss I know;
Unmerited the grace in mercy given:
But, none shall sink to everlasting woe,
That have not well deserved the wrath of Heaven.

And, Oh! there lives within my heart
A hope, long nursed by me;
(And, should its cheering ray depart,
How dark my soul would be!)

That as in Adam all have died,
In Christ shall all men live;
And ever round his throne abide,
Eternal praise to give.

That even the wicked shall at last
Be fitted for the skies;
And, when their dreadful doom is past,
To life and light arise.

I ask not, how remote the day,
Nor what the sinner's woe,
Before their dross is purged away;
Enough for me, to know

That when the cup of wrath is drained,
The metal purified,
They'll cling to what they once disdained,
And live by Him that died.
FAQs Regarding UR / Re: Evangel...dichotomy?
« Last post by Shev on May 21, 2015, 08:11:07 AM »
It is worth remembering that it was Peter that first preached to the Gentiles, to Cornelius. Does this mean he switched gospels for the day? On the contrary, he testified of the Gentiles that they received the Holy Spirit "just as we (the circumcision) have".

Paul also preached many times to the Jews, including the last chapter of Acts. Does this mean he kept changing gospel for the day? On the contrary, he testified that he was going to the Gentiles with "this salvation of God" which the Jews had rejected, and that the Gentiles would hear that which the Jews would not. Same gospel, different response.
Welcome! I am glad you have found the wonderful truth of the real gospel, which is all things becoming subject to Jesus Christ that God may eventually be All in All! A true victory indeed!

God bless!
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