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Lounge / Re: Adam judged God.
« Last post by dajomaco on November 24, 2014, 08:16:56 PM »
I may not be understanding correctly, but it seems that Adam had a point in hiding. Did he find mercy? The Adamic life is a hard one of death and separation. I can hear humanity also in Christ's cry. It seems like God has dealt with us harshly and we are helpless without Him. I am grateful that Christ has reconciled us to God, but I will admit that sometimes life's experiences make that hard to believe.

I believe Adam found God's mercy the same way you did.
The Holy Spirit revealing the cross.The tree of life.
His brother Jesus reintroduced him to his father,Adam calls God Abba once again.
Book of Revelation / Re: Souls Under the Altar
« Last post by Tom on November 24, 2014, 08:07:27 PM »
Here's some interesting information relevant to the original post.
Lounge / Re: Adam judged God.
« Last post by dajomaco on November 24, 2014, 08:04:33 PM »
Pre-existed the bite.
Adam and Eve ,the serpent and God.

The lie the serpent put forward was you will not die.
This lie Satan enjoyed giving to Eve.

Adam ,Eve and the serpent all had the knowledge of Good and Evil.

But they had no knowledge of God's mercy.

Man only truly realized the depth of God's mercy on the day of Calvary.

Before the cross Satan did not know of God's mercy.
He relentlessly accused man through the Law.
Trying to force God to his tipping point.

Satan still tries to get man to go to God through the Law.

Does the enemy know God is merciful.
The enemy now is laboring to convince man otherwise.

Does the enemy know more about God's justice.
He works through religion getting as many people as possible,
to continue to eat from the tree of knowledge of Good and evil.

Religion is the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Watch the churches and mosques and temples as they grow.

Mercy is God's nature he created it.
Mercy Mercy Mercy   
Book of Revelation / Re: Souls Under the Altar
« Last post by rosered on November 24, 2014, 07:05:01 PM »
From WW post #63

John even saw himself in Rev 4:4 because the 24 elders are the 12 original tribal elders and the 12 kingdom elders.

My comment:

I see this differently:
Before the time of revealing of the opening of the  7 seals we are introduced to the happenings in the throne room of God.

Rev 4:4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads.

Since these beings have thrones, they have some type of delegated authority from God. They are termed "elders" (from the Greek "presbyteros") which generally refers to wisdom from age. It may be that they resemble aged men. Possibly these elders may have been among the beings created some time in the past even before the Cherubim and angelic realm.  Before the physical universe was created. Since their white robes (EXO 28) and golden crowns (LEV 8:9) parallel the dress of the Levitical priests, these spiritual elders may presently serve in heaven as priests of God under the High Priest, Jesus Christ; their primary role does seem to be the continual worship of God. If they are spirit elder priests, then God inspired David to choose 24 courses of Levitical priests to equal the number of the elders around His throne.

The reality is that the earthly stuff is just a shadow of the heavenly IMO


  Hi Joe    I thought about this for a  bit and considered  them to be the watchers  and of the Ancients   in Daniel they ate the ones determining  King Nebuchadnezzar

  sentence   watchers      Strong's H5894 - `iyr   the guardians   watchers   scriptures  in Daniel 4
  Hebrews 11;2  And by this there was a testimony/witness  concerning the ancients.
 here is some of the scriptures concerning them

Dan 7:9   I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
  thrones cast down

lDan 7:13   I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
lDan 7:22   Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Here are the remaining matches.
Job 12:12   With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding.
Psa 77:5   I have considered the days of old, the years of ancient times.
Isa 23:7   Is this your joyous city, whose antiquity is of ancient days? her own feet shall carry her afar off to sojourn.
Isa 51:9   Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?
 Rev 20:4   And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
  Just really do not know ,
  I did noticed some   it was for the testimony of Jesus being the new  testament and the     Word of God being of the old   testament ,
        but thought it was interesting
Lounge / Re: Adam judged God.
« Last post by sheila on November 24, 2014, 06:31:19 PM »
 :2c:  Adam after sin entered...was bearing the image of the corrupt one[that rebellious original serpent spirit that slandered

  God]and through Adam's fear of death become a slave to sin.  Jesus through His death showed us to trust God and His mercy

  to deliver/raise us from the death state.  Adam was not deceived that 'he would not die" as Eve was. note Cain"s fear as a

wanderer and death seeking him.....  removing the 'fears' of God's judgememnts..and knowing Him as our Father...

  gives us 'courage' to draw near Him..which our very healing depends on.   Law and grace..judgement and mercy......

   discipline and love..from our Father.  You can't discern a servant from a son when the son is immature...but come around

 to the time of discipline..a servant loses his position in the household...and the son remains[even though disciplined,too]

    there is a distinction a Father makes..'to a son that has served him"  Sarah..Typifying the free woman said'cast out that

  bond woman and her son..for they shall not inherit"  God was showing that HIS SONS OF ADAM/MAN[SON OF GOD]





Book of Revelation / Re: Souls Under the Altar
« Last post by sheila on November 24, 2014, 05:50:31 PM »
imo ..the saints blood[life of Christ in the blood]  and the rest/Christ they were in and counseled to remain in a little while longer

   were crying out to God..for Him to make His move to destroy the kingdom of darkness.  venegeance is mine..sayeth the Lord

   I shall recompense[patience of the saints/awaiting His deliverance from evil] 
Lounge / Re: Adam judged God.
« Last post by WhiteWings on November 24, 2014, 04:15:53 PM »
Well, it isn't much more complicated as a mouse click in your profile.

BTW your cut and pastes are very educating  :friendstu:
Lounge / Re: Adam judged God.
« Last post by rosered on November 24, 2014, 03:55:14 PM »
It happened to me in the past and because I find it annoying I switched it off in the control panel :-)

  Well shoot , some of us are not as  crafty as you are with this  stuff Tony , Like me I can barely   cut paste and post  , Truth  LOL :laughing7:
Book of Revelation / Re: Souls Under the Altar
« Last post by Tom on November 24, 2014, 03:43:41 PM »
I think some things in Revelation seem to be "literal," and some seem to be "figurative." But I think it's important to remember it is one man's "vision" of the future just like the "vision" in Matthew 17:1-9. I believe Moses and Elijah are mortals waiting for Christ to rouse them from the dead, but they appeared alive in the vision just like the "souls under the altar" in Revelation.

I'm not sure what you are saying Tom....
Are you saying that because at the time of the vision (late 1st century AD) all the saints below the altar were still dead Johns vision must be symbolic?
If so I think we don't have enough information to conclude that.
A vision may show a future event that will happen 100% exactly the same as the vision shows. For me that's literal too. For me news on TV are literal events too. Even if it doesn't happen when I'm watching the news because most of it is recorded hours ago. That makes it literal past events. John saw literal future events. And not even that is certain because Father could have put John in a 'time machine' and John was actually transported into the future.
But as said, we don't really know because God isn't limited to just one method of giving visions.


I think the dead saints under the altar (Revelation 6:9,10) in John's vision were crying out to God in the same sense as Abel's blood crying from the ground (Genesis 4:10) as was mentioned by Laz earlier. I brought up the other vision (Matthew 17:1-9) as a reminder that dead folks can appear alive in visions. I think visions or dreams contain symbolic imagery that reveal something to us, but there are different interpretations of John's vision.
Lounge / Re: Adam judged God.
« Last post by WhiteWings on November 24, 2014, 03:10:35 PM »
It happened to me in the past and because I find it annoying I switched it off in the control panel :-)
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