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Christian Life / Re: 'In Christ'...How?
« Last post by rosered on July 21, 2014, 04:11:25 PM »
  Dear Ronen ,
  Thank you for the  above  post !
  Is this more of how you see it now ?
  Being   the east or west , I do believe its   being" in the Spirit  " that  changes us all , and yes , we are persuaded !!
  I thought of the main reason,  at the time it come alive, His Word, to know that One God created all things though Jesus Christ and  for Him that Life itself would exist   :HeartThrob:  a simple but huge  understanding 

  1Corinth 8  4So, what about eating meat that has been offered to idols?

 Well, we all know that an idol is not really a god and that there is only one God

. 5There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords
 6But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord,
 Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Hello Everyone
« Last post by Searching_For_The_Truth on July 21, 2014, 08:41:53 AM »
It is an honor to be a participant of the Tentmaker forums. I have learned about Universal Salvation from this website recently and it has given me a lot of hope and inner peace. Like many of the Tentmaker testimonies, the eternal torment doctrine has been a source of intense anxiety and fear. I used to believe in the mainstream "free will/once saved always saved doctrine" but as one of the tentmaker articles accurately mentions, there is a big if that is involved with the once saved always saved doctrine. Not to mention there are parts of the Bible which imply that we are judged by our works as well. The testimonies and articles on this website perfectly describe how the eternal torment doctrine has negatively affected me.

Words are not enough to describe how Tentmaker has been a blessing to me, how it calmed me down and helped me find some peace.  At the same time, there is still a skeptical side of me that feels like I am running away from the truth because it's too hard for me to endure. Sometimes I wish I was never born in the first place. To me it is better never to exist in the first place than to live life each day with the fear  of going to Hell. I don't even want to have children when I get married because if there is even a 0.000000000000000000005% chance of that child going to Hell, the risk is not worth it.

I know many would say that it is not right for me to question God because he is holy and I am not. However, as many of the tentmaker articles point out, it is difficult to truly love God with the cloud of Hell hanging over your head. I have always wondered how majority of believers can be so good to others and be at peace with the fact that a vast majority of mankind is going to be tormented for eternity. Many of them are sincere, many of them are kind hear-ted. Not all the eternal torment advocates are heartless people. I have reached the conclusion that the eternal torment doctrine is harder to accept for people who are new to the faith or from a different faith than for those who have been taught that their whole lives. I wonder how they respond to situations where one of their closest loved ones (or family members) aren't saved or someone they love dearly. I imagine they would respond by saying whoever loves a family member more then Lord Jesus isn't worthy of him.

I sincerely hope and pray that in the end all souls will be saved. That's what guided me to the doctrine of Universal Salvation. However, I am genuinely worried that many believers of Universal Salvation don't seem to understand the times we are living in. I believe without a shadow of a doubt, we are in the last days. Just read the world news, especially what is going on in Russia and Israel. John Hagee wrote a book called the 4 Blood Moons. The first Blood Moon started on the week of Passover. It has only been 3 months since the Blood Moon and look at how chaotic the world is. Imagine what will happen in the remaining 3 Blood Moons. For now it's safe to assume that John Hagee is correct. If he is correct about the blood moons, how do we know he is not also correct about eternal torment?

In conclusion, I am glad to be a part of this forum. I noticed that all the discussions on the Tentmaker forums are very civil and respectful. It gives me a lot of hope to see a faith forum where we can have an honest discussion about scripture without name calling or belittling each other. That is what inspired me to join the Tentmaker forums. I need help from everyone in fully accepting the Universal Salvation doctrine. As I mentioned before, it gives me a lot of comfort but at the same time I feel like I may be running from the truth. I look forward to being a part of all future discussions we will have.
BEautiful and True!
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: God's Will
« Last post by jabcat on July 21, 2014, 07:06:26 AM »
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / God's Will
« Last post by saintwalee on July 21, 2014, 06:47:41 AM »
Isa 43:11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 43:12  I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
Isa 43:13  Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it? ...
Isa 43:25  I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

I guess that should put to rest the idea of free will.

Doesn't that just take a burden off your shoulders? His salvation is His will, we can just rest in that assurance and enjoy the comfort and peace that brings.  :dsunny:
Christian Life / Re: Wheat and Tares
« Last post by joeteekay on July 21, 2014, 05:05:44 AM »
That is very good Sheila. I can really relate.  :dsunny:
Christian Life / Re: Wheat and Tares
« Last post by sheila on July 21, 2014, 04:00:00 AM »
  just a little aside regarding 'works' that I rec'd the other day...and would like to share with you all..for it greatly

  comforted me...and maybe it will you all,too.

      I had been down the other day..kind of blue,I guess...and feeling not much good for anything...

     I had been dwelling on the strength in my body I had when I was younger and how I used to be able to help

   other's in need..both physically,financially and in the spirit..and gues I was greiving over the loss of my

strength,vitality and ability as I become older[the desire is there..but I just can't ake this body go like I used to.

    I had been praying,meditating about it.....and told Father my concerns.    I then picked up my bible......

   and what should Iopen it to but this...........because you are not a hand you must not say you are not

 part of the body.  This was like balm on me...a perfect word spoken at the perfect time...and brought me

 to tears.

     we must alway keep balance when we speak of 'works'........  2 Cor 8;14  if they be an equalizing

  of the unrighteous riches...surely even more so..for the true riches.........
Christian Life / Re: Wheat and Tares
« Last post by Seth on July 21, 2014, 01:56:27 AM »
The thing about faith is that it has a positive impact on works, which is what salvation is all about.
Christian Life / Re: 'In Christ'...How?
« Last post by gregoryfl on July 21, 2014, 01:49:00 AM »
In the East, we would understand that positional aspect of 'in him' as taking place by grace through his faith, whereby we experience the greater reality of our having been 'in him', in the same way all creation has always been in him, and he in all creation, from the very beginning.

God stands all things in the דבר, his very expression of thought, which is an idomatic way of saying that there is nothing that can exist outside of God, specifically, outside of his word, דבר. This inclusion of all without distinction must not be exclusive of the other truth, which has to do with our response of faith, for if we only hold to the greater reality, then we feel no impetus to share this message with others.

It may be likened to this concept.

Even though, according to Paul, every single human being from Adam onward has been included in the death of Yeshua, and reconciled to God by God himself working this out in Messhiah, yet that greater reality is connected to the reality of this realm, where man by and large does not live as reconciled to God, but as his enemy, in their own minds, and so the impetus for us as believers is to beg others to 'be reconciled to God'! This is not an either/or, it is both/and. All have been reconciled from God's point of view, but from man's, he needs to be reconciled by believing that he has been.

It is the same with anything having to do with 'in him'. These I do not believe to be positional statements so much as they are source statements, when attached to a resulting action. 'In him' would therefore be understood as 'By means of him'....

Then, with regard to those other statements which clearly have to do with position, or location, the overarching reality from God's view is that all, without exception, are 'in Messiah', which is coupled by the human reality that they need to believe this, as God is pleased with each one to reveal his Son IN THEM, not TO THEM, just as he did with Paul.

Messiah was in Paul before he believed, which is why Yeshua said that, when Paul was persecuting believers, he was not only persecuting Messiah, but he was also kicking against the goads, hurting himself in the process, because Messiah was in him during that time, just not revealed IN HIM yet.


Christian Life / Re: Wheat and Tares
« Last post by saintwalee on July 21, 2014, 01:43:14 AM »
Rev 22:11  He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

It is not by works, but by faith.

I suppose that is why Jesus taught us to pray; "... forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us...".

Thanks for the the replies.  :high5:
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