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Christian Life / Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Last post by joeteekay on July 29, 2015, 05:10:47 PM »
Thanks WW. Very enlightening.
I found the link you supplied very helpful.


I can not watch the youtube, but this book is very good.

Thanks for posting.
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Human love is greater than Gods love
« Last post by rosered on July 29, 2015, 02:08:50 PM »
I read thru the thread [OK, OK, I skimmed] and am thinking of the line from Tommy by the Who:

"You've been told many times before, messiahs pointed to the door, but no one had the guts to leave the temple."

I mean to say that people need to step out of their theological [theo-illogical] boxes...

I never noticed that before - theo-logical.. though in so many instances(?) :iagree: illogical!

  :thumbsup:   Beautiful !! :HeartThrob:
   The ages old adage         in CHRIST TESTIMONY/WITNESS OF TRUTH    ,
  Woman you worship what you know not what   calling it God  , but it is NOT GOD      but imaginations of fruitle vanity    the whole  creation is subject to

  Irony    IS ,  meaning ALL    CREATION   has been affected by this     mistake [sin],  ERROR OF TRUTH     

   John 4
 …21Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. \

22"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

23"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.…
Christian Life / Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Last post by rosered on July 29, 2015, 02:00:06 PM »

  May God bless us   all  with more of   HIS WISDOM   in SPIRIT & TRUTH   to HIS GLORY AND PRAISE   :HeartThrob:
« Last post by rosered on July 29, 2015, 01:58:00 PM »

  May God bless all efforts to MAKE HIS WORD KNOWN ,   to all the WORLD ,as a witness to His Glory !!!   :HeartThrob:
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Relatively New to UR
« Last post by rosered on July 29, 2015, 01:55:32 PM »
  Gods blessings Johny ,
  May you be filled with Christ righteousness     and Life    to the full     :HeartThrob:
  sorry I am late in the Welcome  ,   :welcome:  to the Tentmakers site ....
Lounge / Re: 1 Corinthians 14:33
« Last post by rosered on July 29, 2015, 01:53:01 PM »
 Good answers all around!! :thumbsup:
 I thought about if you leave the world to itself  , it will be consuming itself ..  devouring  beast  # 4 in Daniel    7 ;7 ...  beast  iron  teeth  crushing  and trampling
  between   the good and evil       , both are at work       , the good and evil mixing and confusion
  Many believe the Roman empire is the 4th  beast  !!  In allegory     to me it is BABYLON   still  , but under the different Kings of the earth 

 But Jesus Christ IS THE KING[ONE AND ONLY ]  of  kings [many rulers] and LORD /MASTER of lords/ masters  [many]  given power to  do evil , BUT ONLY GOD IS GOOD     , JESUS CHRIST IS THE  ONLY GOOD  THAT MAKES PERFECT , complete   , entire and without lack   , all them others are destroyers    that work eveil in the world         and make you wonder where is God in all this mess !? !!   
 HE IS ONLY    revealed to those whom faith , hope and LOVE   are manifested in    , because without faith it is impossible to please HIM !!! 
 How do we acquire faith ?    every man is given a measure  of it , and its what you DO  with that faith  that   determines the outcome   .....
  The  scriptures are TRUTH  ,   there is a narrow path   that leads to Life  AND few find it in this life      realm ,     and there is the broad path that leads to destruction [violence ]  and this is the    truth of the matter  , many go though this way to    receive Christ      in the end ..   and Christ gives all this over to God to be all and all in the end         
 Every knee will bow and surrender  GIVE UP    and every tongue confess Christ  , without leaving   anyone out in the end of   the age of being human  , flesh and blood  , It is just some are surrendering     now while still in the flesh and blood      realm         , for me this is the difference      between    knowing God now and not knowing God now ........  this life and its troubles and woes   leads many to      have    CHOKE OUT THE WORD OF GOD / LIVING   INSIDE THEM
 The parable of the seeds planted in men's hearts being the WORD OF GOD / JESUS CHRIST     the Salvation anointed    ONE    in Jesus   testimony !  Jesus testimony is the    Spirit of prophecy that is TRUE  and comes to pass      over and over and over again  in this realm   .
[ relm ]
NOUN archaic literary law
a kingdom:
"the peers of the realm"
synonyms: kingdom · country · land · dominion · nation
   and the 30 fold and 60 fold and 100 fold      reaping and sowing    of Gods  WORD  LIVING IN them , the 100 %  is the  complete and perfect  coming  within them  .  that Paul says are some    now , even back in his time   when he wrote   what he was  witnessing by the Spirit of truth     being the testimony of Jesus Christ  and expounding on it and  had it within him  as the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY   ...       What is happening now and what has happened  and what will happen    as over and over and over again and again          as we see the results of a world in chaos     but Gods saving grace is STILL in effect .....
 Daniel's Vision of the Four Beasts
…6"After this I kept looking, and behold, another one, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird; the beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it. 7"After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong;

 and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.

 8"While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.

  a Horn is a power    granted by God    for eyes  of understanding   verses , these "eyes"  of  mans  seeing the natural things and not spiritual things  ,   this is why Jesus said if you EYE  offends you pluck it out    ,,   a natural man in interpreting would   think Jesus wants you to tear you eye out   

   This has been the  struggle   from the beginning the WORD OF GOD  IS  SPIRITUAL  TRUTH  ,  not natural and   human truth , Mans ways are violent 
 and we have those thousands of divisions and  religions    because of the mixing of the two     ways  of dividing truth   between the soul and the spirit  in a man
   Not every spirit is  Gods HOLY ONE  , just as all souls are   of the natural realm  in Adam and die     or are  as  dead to God ...  God is the God of the Living    NOT the dead    , Jesus is the Lord / Master of the dead and the living NOW   ...  and HE ALONE determines      who is worthy of life and death       
 The confusion    lies in the constant movement     between   the two realms    of LIFE and death     

 Eph 1 Prayer for Spiritual Wisdom
…17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. 18I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might…

  Gods realm is not of this world  , He visits   in hearts of men and some he stays  , but   Jesus come to bring   a SWORD / WORD
  That does divide  and is it  so  busy   right now and has been for a long while    !!
  Dividing souls from spirits   Heb 4
 I personally   am in a huge test of faith right now . BIG TIME  and would love some prayers , my  state of being "heart sick "  over the cares of this life and its woes   is never ever easy to  go though such suffering and loss   , But God is in  CONTROL    and this too shall pass ...
  I would say it is being divided   within  myself   and we know it wont stand   ,, in other words   will be effected    permanently  by this test of faith ..
   God bless .. :HeartThrob:
Christian Life / Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Last post by WhiteWings on July 29, 2015, 01:49:09 PM »
Greek is such a precise language that I believe God used it for the NT. Just an opinion.
The fact that Greek is a more precise language doesn't make it more suited than Hebrew.
The NT is for a large part quoting OT stuff. When quoting Hebrew things in Greek it's impossible to translate the whole meaning. Unless footnotes were added etc.
And losing that meaning, for me speaks against Greek.

Hebrew authors were writing Hebrew ideas in Greek words
It goes beyond that according to scholars in the Hebrew/Greek field. If the Greek is translated back into Hebrew without reordering words, the result in most cases is perfect Hebrew.

Hebrew authors were writing Hebrew ideas in Greek words
I wrote this earlier; if we agree the underlaying thoughts are Hebrew doesn't that mean we should avoid thinging the Greek way? And only use the the Greek lexicons to figure out the matching Hebrew word? Because afterall, Hebrew thought is based on Hebrew words. And  as I tried to show with idioms and last few posts with 'hidden' meanings and words having a mental and physical meaning, Greek is just unable to show us the depth of the mind of the writer/translator.

And that's not just a minor thing. It's the basis for a doctrine. :Chinscratch:
Judgement and Punishment / Re: kolasis versus timoria
« Last post by rosered on July 29, 2015, 12:58:39 PM »

Well said ,Marie !
  The very heart of the matter ..

 :thumbsup:   :HeartThrob:
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