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Lounge / Re: The internet
« Last post by Patinak on April 27, 2015, 06:51:12 PM »
Thanks Tom for the great post. 
Rose :friendstu:
Sheila  :friendstu:

Likewise, here.  The internet has been the best tool ever.  Thank you God. The biggest hurdle is making sure that the spirits are tested, as there is so much untruth out there. 
For me, when I was allowed to see the truth about Hell (via this site), the peace was indescribable.  Realizing my unbelieving daughter was not going be tortured for eternity, yes, that gave me peace!  Thank you God!
 :thanks: I've been watching some Rabbi Cahn youtube videos - Sheila posted one, before then I'd not heard of him, he's a believer in "Messiah" .. I think it's awesome our heavenly Father and Creator has designed certain things - His calendar - as a hidden language He can use to communicate to His people. I'm studying up on the "blood moons"..
   :Peace2: :girlheart:
Lounge / Re: The internet
« Last post by sheila on April 27, 2015, 06:25:40 PM »
  I remember back when the www signified the 666 mark of the some.and was judged of the churches evil.   has it been used by

  the wicked[porn sites/witchcraft,astrology,prostitutions etc] yep.  that is why nothing is evil of itself. those that have good in thier heart

  will use it for a good purpose/those with evil in their heart will use it for a means to the evil.

   churches like jw's spoke against it[lest people eyes be opened and they lose their hold over them] finally realizing they could not stop it

  they set up their own approved sites.

   the amish in our area will not own a car[too worldly] but will ride in one/my neighbor used to carpool them to work at the factory

     I,too was led to the salvation of all through the use of the internet.  we are all so scattered out all over the earth...I found no-

  one in my area to go to for guidance. after being called out of the was very isolating. So,I set my mind..since I found

 myself all alone[I once considered putting add in newspaper..' breathing body of Christ"] to worship Him on my own...

   read all His red letter direct words and obeyed them.....and the holy spirit was with me strong...and led me to the salvation of all.
Lounge / Re: The internet
« Last post by rosered on April 27, 2015, 06:21:02 PM »

 God bless you Tom  :dsunny:
 I agree , we are given spiritual growth as God gives the increase      :thumbsup:
 I am  always  learning and  loving  Him for His mercy on us all ...  :HeartThrob:
Lounge / Re: The internet
« Last post by Tom on April 27, 2015, 05:49:23 PM »
I agree that the Internet is probably the best medium for sharing the truth of the evangel, and it's probably the way that all will see Christ when he returns to Jerusalem. I became aware of universal reconciliation online even though it took me a lot more searching and reading until I believed it because scripture translated correctly makes it obvious that it is the truth. It was a strange experience because I was on a die hard King James site when I suddenly and mysteriously got bounced to another site about universal reconciliation. I thought it had to be bogus because I never heard of it before. So I read as much as I could about it online trying to disprove it, but I gradually became convinced it had to be true. Then I was mad at the church for hiding it from me until I realized that was because it threatens the very foundation of the church which is irrational fear of torture in fire forever that's based on forgery in the translation of scripture after trying to suppress scripture first by killing people by burning them at the stake with real fire just for reading scripture. The church has an evil history, and it preaches an evil doctrine. The inspired written word of God reveals the truth that all on earth and in the heavens are reconciled to God through Christ's blood on the cross so that God may be all in all. I don't think most folks appreciate how blessed we are just to be able to read scripture without persecution at least in many parts of the world. Now it's not the church persecuting people for reading scripture because it has just distorted it to portray its lie. Now it's worldly governments leading the charge for invalidating scripture, and the US government is one of them by allowing the militant atheists to eliminate God in many aspects of our lives with the distorted belief that freedom of religion means freedom from religion. I think atheists should be able to share their unbelief if they want to just as believers should be able to share theirs, and we'll see who offers the most hope and understanding of the purpose of life. There's continuous debating online among atheists and believers, some who believe the truth of universal reconciliation and some who don't. If you believe it, you get attacked from both sides. Unfortunately the arguments usually just get to be emotional personal attacks instead of intelligent discussion based on documentation. Of course atheists don't accept scripture as valid, and most Christians don't accept an accurate translation of scripture as valid. But the important thing is that the Internet provides the medium for the sharing of information globally. Just don't believe everything you hear or even see. Check your source, and find other sources that agree before you begin to consider some information as valid. And keep an open mind because you're never too smart to learn something new. Remember how we all used to be convinced that hell is real until we found some new information that blew our minds. I'm glad God gave us the Internet because that's how I got know all the rest of you folks out there. God bless you all.
Christian Life / Re: I still go to church, do you?
« Last post by rosered on April 27, 2015, 05:45:15 PM »
 JOHN 1 3All things came into being through Him,

 and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
 You are a city  set on a hill that cannot be hid !!
  you are called a a CITY !!    WOW !!     this city // you are   Gods    creation
 MATT 5  Salt and Light

13"You are the salt of the earth;

 but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again?

 It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men. :sigh:  [men loved darkness more than light because their deeds are evil /wrong  self serving ]

 14"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;

15nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket,

but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.
  the   HOLY City of the  earth as it is in heaven      :dsunny:    :HeartThrob:    :icon_flower:      as God gives the increase of Light and Life     though the SPIRIT OF TRUTH     
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Evil is to humble us ?
« Last post by rosered on April 27, 2015, 05:34:45 PM »
 Hi newlove , :welcome:
  That is a great question    you asked .
    :iagree: with Tom and Shelia
 and you are right about  the calamities  that befall mankind .

Experiencing evil    in the  short time we are mortal   
  Being  human   and having no power over   evil  as a whole  in the world , in our weakened  condition  , even evil  rising up within us   at times of  unexpected 
trials  is a battle  of itself
 How many times   have we seen and   heard    bad news
 How many  times has  mental illness  and  you can look at it as  sin sickness   
  Sin is the  evil    or error     our flesh and blood succumbs too
fail to resist (pressure, temptation, or some other negative force)
  It is humbling     and surrender is  evident   ,  we just look at the world problems and see this    rising and failing  constantly   
The bible warns us to keep ourselves in the love of God     ,  and yet   we feel thats impossible   to do without  faith 
  without faith its impossible to please God     
  So  how many times  do we just as those  whom its written  about ask God to increase our faith

     For me   God is the only one who  can       
   Down here in this short and temporary  stay   70  to 80 years by  grace  of God     

 I see this as being dipped in    as a    baptism  of sorts   that everyone gets to experience ,   being human   and being more than human    .

    The waters  just like many voices   speaking ,     are life and death  [Life and death are ours ]  , washing of the Water of the Word ,   what we get to    be   sunk down into or  raised back up out of   by the POWER OF GOD ,     often and  many examples  in the Bible of  this very thing 

 At times it is  humbling and other times it is   refreshing     and renewing   , it just depends on or state of mind and heart as to which   "baptism"   we are undergoing  in  that moment
   The cleansing of the unrighteousness  in our  bodies         or the gifts of Christ to increase   in the Spirit and life in Christ     Body  as ONE IN THE   same SPIRIT
 I believe we become aware  and spiritually awakened      as  God gives us the ability  to discern      what is happening   to all of us
 It is God who saves   , Tom is right about that !! and Shelia   saying,   We become  more obedient as His children to   Him and loving Him  as an excellent  FATHER  to us all  !!    :HeartThrob:



Christian Life / Re: I still go to church, do you?
« Last post by Tom on April 27, 2015, 05:05:56 PM »
I know some folks think they can do something to help from within the institution of systematized deception, but it's not my thing because, even if your pastor sees the light, the hierarchy will come down on him. He'll probably lose his job, and the congregation will be upset. I think all of that is unnecessary if we just realize that the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is a spiritual body all over the earth who can communicate and maybe even socialize in various ways that don't have to include supporting a building to do so. I think the money spent on the building would be better spent helping the brothers and sisters in need. I also think you're participating in the deception when you belong to an organization that dishonors God by preaching that he will torture most of humanity in fire forever. I think it's better to communicate with church people from outside their church. I think the best way is simply to share an accurate translation of scripture. Most of them will persecute you for doing so, but at least they will hear the truth. I don't see the benefit of being in the church to do so even if you don't get kicked out. I think participating in church ritual and doctrine is no different that hanging out at a bar getting drunk with folks to share the evangel with them, or hanging out a crack house and smoking up to share the evangel with folks there, or going to an orgy and participating just so you can share the evangel with folks there. I don't think we have to appear to condone sin to get folks to accept us so they will listen to us when we share the truth of the evangel with them. In fact, you're going to have a hard time explaining that you're not a hypocrite if you're going along with what everybody else is doing. Why subject yourself to preaching about hell when you don't believe it? I understand that you would like to see them know the truth, but I don't think belonging to their church is the best way to do it. I think the best way to reach the most people is to publish information online. You could also speak publicly if you want to do so. You can also just continue to study the inspired written word of God, and share the truth with anybody that God brings into your life in various circumstances. I think, if we just speak the truth when we have an opportunity, we don't have to go into the churches to do so. I pray for your "pastor" anyway, and I hope the whole congregation sees the light. Here's an older video series about a guy who was a pastor preaching about hell until one of his flock challenged him to check out universal reconciliation. He lost his job in the church, but he gained the blessing of the truth of scripture that all on earth and in the heavens will be reconciled to God through Christ's blood on the cross. There are several videos in the series, but they're worth watching to see what he has to say. I think YouTube is a good medium for publishing the truth of the evangel, but, if you do, know that you'll be persecuted by Christians and atheists. Just don't take it personally, and know your scripture. God bless you for trying to help those in darkness see the light.

Here is a link to a short (about 9 minutes) video someone else recently shared here on another thread that I liked a lot. It is a testimony by J. Preston Eby about how he came to understand the truth of universal salvation. It is clear that he is not someone that pitched the bible out the window and went with UR cuz it tickled his fancy better. That is what people thought I did and a video like this can be very helpful to show the heartfelt love of the scriptures by someone who believes in the salvation of all.
  Bushy , you dont say a lot but when you do  :thumbsup:

 I agree   that many will be called heretics     for the gospel of Jesus Christ and ultimate salvation of all

  I am in my own household ,,
 I know we have to    believe in God  and not go along with the   men pleasing
   Just as Prestion Eby says , we  never know the time our hour   when the Lord comes to us , it is like a  theif in the night /  darkness and ignorance
   Some like him were   called from birth I believe
  Just  as Samuel  and John the baptist and   Jesus  , great examples of  Gods calling   and being purposed  in Gods plan
 I can recall the  first time I questioned the   authority   of a preacher , preaching  in Isaiah  4  and   how he failed to      read the context of the   message
   But used it to instill  fear    of the Lord and hell fire.
 I knew than  something was not right .
 GOD is no respecter of person       ,   This is the main thing that made me think clearly ,    that mankind has a problem understanding   this, and definitely    is a respecter of person         
 GOD is good always and HIM BEING SPIRIT of LOVE  and  we being human are simply not good always ,  but  tasting the Spirit   /GOD and knowing   this truth  is good 
 Does put a  craving   for more of  HIM  ...
Christian Life / Re: I still go to church, do you?
« Last post by Caffus on April 27, 2015, 04:32:06 PM »
As long as a church, ministry ect, only purpose is to serve God. It is good, I think.  We need to submit to Gods calling on or own lives.  I'm not trying to suggest we all should or shouldn't go to a church.  This website is a ministry. Jesus
spoke in churches sometimes.  Anyhow what ever we do and all that we have belongs to God.  But I believe this is the Good News that needs to be taught in the whole wolrd before the Second comming of our Savoir. We have a fire in our hearts to share it. God can spread it in anyway He chooses.  :dsunny:
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