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To die to self - but I don't believe that's THE sacrifice.  I believe that's obedience...to the One who is The sacrifice.  Not to redeem ourselves - He and His sacrifice already did. 
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What I find interesting is this: How can anyone love, worship and adore a Being Who eternally tortures people in fire.
The only reason I can find is that if they don't love, worship and adore this Being they fear they too will meet the same fate.
So fear is what drives them. They don't have a sincere love for this Being. Rather it is born out of fear.

Such a Being is to be loathed, spat upon, and rid from the universe.

They always try to say something like: YOU choose to go there because you don't obey God, God doesn't like it, but you must be punished... forever.


But why should God, who is Just and Love, would want to punish, or better put torture billions of people with no purpose? :dontknow:

Maybe... He won't. :Peace2:
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Lounge / Re: The rise of Isis.
« Last post by marie glen on August 21, 2014, 08:09:52 PM »

Eaglesway

Awesome portion of scripture!

Lazarus, interesting link.

Here's another for you, A conversation between Walid Shoebat and Michael Savage.

Shalom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9uFfrgZstY


 

This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9uFfrgZstY of course was VERY interesting and poses some very interesting questions..! it's my belief ultimately radical jihad will infiltrate, take over and use the un.. and yes, so many, including so very many Christians, just haven't a clue..
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Jesus did say, take up your cross and follow me. Where are we going with those crosses?
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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello, I'm Jordan
« Last post by Eduard on August 21, 2014, 08:08:22 PM »
Welcome, Jordan, be blessed here!

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Hi Marie Glen,
I am not quite sure, but if I understand it but here is how I see it using some of the phrasing you used.

The reason God built sacrifice into the Law is because he knew that man would be in a sinful state, and therefore we require a sacrifice of ourselves to be rid of that sinful state. Therefore, God created the Law to require blood, and Jesus provided that blood through his own body to be resurrected and by that life, sacrifices his own followers unto newness of life.

I do agree with James, God did require sacrifices, but that is because we required sacrifice in a spiritual way of ourselves to be free of death. Jesus brings that in the Spirit.
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..The sacrifice which has granted us all the remission of sins..

We being that sacrifice..

But surprise!!  :banana: :dsunny:  God built into creation itself our salvation, our rescue. And says, "It is done". "Great is Thy faithfulness.."

I personally have to be careful what I "think", and remember to try and trust what He says - whether I understand it or not (I often don't).  That said, I don't believe the scripture says we're THE sacrifice, Jesus Is.  And that's what was built into creation for our rescue - "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world".  Blessings.
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..The sacrifice which has granted us all the remission of sins..

I've begun to think it's possible it's the fallen creature itself who requires a sacrifice.


Let's keep thinkin' about that :)

"According to the book of Exodus, Moses came down from Mount Sinai not only with the Ten Commandments, but with a long list of sacrifices that were required for righteousness before God.

Examples abound. The first sacrifice mentioned in the Bible is in Genesis 4 when Abel offered portions of a lamb to God as a sacrificial act. In Exodus 12, we read of the first commanded animal sacrifice in the scriptures. There we find Israel commanded to sacrifice a yearling lamb and to sprinkle blood on the doorframes to ward off the angel of death that was to visit Egypt. Most of the ink in Leviticus was used in prescribing the number and types of sacrifices required by God. Even in Jesus' life we read that there were appropriate sacrifices made for him after his birth: "They offered a sacrifice according to what is stated in the law of the Lord, 'a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons'" (Luke 2.24). And as an adult, it is clear that he participated in the Passover festival, which included sacrificing a lamb at the Temple (Luke 22)."  - Home Church Network Assoc.
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I've begun to think it's possible it's the fallen creature itself who requires a sacrifice.

 :thumbsup:

Mankind dies, and God goes through the same thing through His Son Jesus Christ.  God took responsibility for the sin of mankind from the day he put the tree and the serpent in the garden.






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..The sacrifice which has granted us all the remission of sins..

Some thoughts have been taking shape for some time in my mind, like a bubble, but finally the idea popped :laughing7:

I've begun to think it's possible it's the fallen creature itself who requires a sacrifice. Once we see the 'face' of God - the pure and 100% holy Light of Life, perhaps it is we ourselves who ultimately would be satisfied with nothing less than our own sacrifice, after all, the 'soul' that sinneth it shall die, the wages/result of sin is death..

We being that sacrifice..

But surprise!!  :banana: :dsunny:  God built into creation itself our salvation, our rescue. And says, "It is done". "Great is Thy faithfulness.."


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