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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by WhiteWings on April 15, 2014, 01:06:32 AM »
I am very bad at engineering so I'll have to ask you guys for input on this:

Would an ark with the dimensions described in Genesis 6 be big enough to hold two of every animal that existed in those days?
I would say even today's largest ship is big enough for every type of animal on earth. Keep in mind some animals like elephants eats huge quantities every day.
And food for the Nephlim of course, because they had to be on board because every breathing creature drowned and the Nephlim survived.
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Christian Life / Re: 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Yes or No?
« Last post by sheila on April 15, 2014, 01:03:50 AM »
   not sure who JB Phillips is[United methodists?]  anyway...I find that  2 or 3 men speaking[with utterance of Holy spirit/Gospel]
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  making room for Holy spirit to move in the body and inspire another..of which when that one speaks the other  becomes silent.

  there is no law against the spirit..but give the spirit free flow and you will find an orderly procession.  Generally there are

  two or three topics going on the board..or being discussed at a time. with spirit filled utterances

    I reckon if a woman doesn't understand something she can inquire of God her true husband. .....for such widowed/single

women

       Just as long as any order does not seek to quench the spirit........with a 'church' becoming dead..one preacher oratating

 to a 'laity'....  ye have no need of any man to teach ye..ye that are led of the spirit..  the women declaring the goodnews are

 a large army.  so,too,those born along of the Holy spirit..no-one knows where they come from or where they are going..it is

 like trying to restrain the wind[ a great rushing wind come in..and tougnes of fire sat upon each one of them...why the people on

 the outside that heard it..said they were surely drunk on wine!!]  the cry arose " drunk And disorderly"!

  the beginning..of the spirit filled church.....
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / MAKE READY A PEOPLE
« Last post by anna274 on April 14, 2014, 11:49:24 PM »
from Daily Overcoming Devotional Ray Prinzing for April 12

MAKE READY A PEOPLE

And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.  And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.  Luke 1:16-17

One of the essential needs in the life of the believer is the matter of right priorities -- to know what is God's purpose for this day.  And, what is His plan for me individually.  There are many of the Lord's children who are willing to spend themselves I doing many good and needful things, but God would work into them a sense of HIS priority.

The prophet Hosea said of Ephraim, "Strangers have devoured his strength and he knoweth it not; yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth it not," Hosea 7:9.  Devoured his strength, exhausted his vitality, hastened the marks of old age, till worn out and spent, THERE WAS NO STRENGTH TO FACE THE REAL ISSUES OF THE DAY.

David had that sense of priority, "One thing have I desired of the Lord, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the Lord, and to enquire in His temple."  Psalm 27:4   

To become "singleized" to His definite purpose for our day, that we might be fitted and prepared for His Kingdom.

So much of what God is doing in individual lives seems to be a silent and secret preparation.  Through the sufferings and pressures, bringing each one into stability in Him where they cannot be shaken, into the truth, which cannot be destroyed.  There are very practical in workings, involved in the nitty-gritty of every day living, which are used to bring us into conformity to His laws.  So processed by God that they have surrendered their own will into His will, indeed, they are able to say, "I delight to do Thy Will, O God."


Make ready a people for the Lord,
Disciplined, trained, in one accord,
Ready and waiting to do His will.
Of first priority - hear His voice,
What is His plan?  What is His choice?
His purpose we would now fulfill.
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Lounge / Re: Noah's ark
« Last post by lastpost on April 14, 2014, 11:17:10 PM »
I am very bad at engineering so I'll have to ask you guys for input on this:

Would an ark with the dimensions described in Genesis 6 be big enough to hold two of every animal that existed in those days?

My opinion is that, yes, if a cubit was at least 18 inches, then 300 cubits by 50 by 30, three stories high would have been huge and the Ark would have been large enough for the animals.

However, I do not personally believe that there was a global flood which destroyed all animals and people.

Without considering evolution, there are many reasons for me that the Flood is unlikely, but a few of them go along these lines: Some animals can only live in certain regions and eat certain food. It stretches my reason and experience too far to accept that someone, in those days, could travel to Mauritius to acquire animals peculiar only to that region, and then travel to collect a platypus from Australia. Did Noah take the platypus breeders back to Australia after the flood? And so on. A global flood would silt over all plant life and some animals need trees to feed from, some birds need trees to nest in etc. The ratio of salt water to fresh water on Earth is around 40 to 1 and this will only have changed marginally in the last few thousand years, therefore salt would have contaminated all fresh water and (without evolution) there would be no fresh water fish today (I know the apologetics claim that "science proves" fresh water fish can live in salt water but this is only slightly salted water for a few "kinds" and a ratio of 40:1 - incidentally, "science proves" that the waters were salty a few thousand years BC).

These animals certainly couldn't swim to where Noah lived. And if God was going to use His Power and pick all the animals up and place them right by the Ark for Noah to place in cages (carnivores eat other animals), then God might as well not have bothered about a global flood and just wiped everyone out to leave eight people and breeding animals. But God is not like that: God has set up His laws and His Creation abides by those laws.

It goes on. These are just a few anomalies and a full debate could/would last months - and personally, I do not think God put us here to spend months debating the reality of the Flood, and that He has other things in Mind for His children.

We can assume and assume in order to make it all possible, but I find that assuming and stretching belief is not faith in Christ for me nor does it increase my faith in Christ.

I believe that the mother of the polar bear is 100,000 years old and it has evolved from that time into an Arctic bear today. I have personally seen a cross section of land that shows the present time and also Roman remains from two thousand years ago a few inches deeper - and then Neanderthal remains many, many metres deeper. There's something about seeing things for oneself that makes one accept God's gift of reason and logic as being applicable to the world. I do not believe - and I say with the sincerest respect - that the early teachers had access to, say, meticulous studies of dinosaur remains and so on, and they would have a world view accordingly. But please note: it is the same Christ we love and adore.

It is this reason and logic - as well as what I sincerely believe to be the Holy Spirit - that causes me to believe and have faith that Creation was "precipitated" by the Father through His Christ over aeons of time. It is not a problem for me - in fact, it is so beautiful and super/natural. God's Plan is truly magnificent - it opens up (to me) a little of the truly, truly Beautiful Mind and overseeing loving Heart of a God whose gifts to all of His children are far beyond a human's cognisance - a God who never lets go of His children, no matter how far they have fallen.

I promise that I belittle not believers in the Flood and young Earth, for you I have the highest respect as your belief is firmly grounded and I do understand (eway mol) and thank you for permitting me to be different.

Dear Father, I thank Thee for much yet I do not thank Thee enough, for Thy overseeing care, for the Gift of Thyself in Thy Son who is not only my Saviour but the Saviour of all mankind.
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Christian Life / Re: 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Yes or No?
« Last post by eaglesway on April 14, 2014, 11:10:01 PM »
I think Paul was simply speaking to an issue of women asking questons of or making comments to their husbands while the prophets and teachers were speaking. I do not believe he was prohibiting spoken ministry by anointed sisters in Christ at all. :2c:
That's not logical at all. Everyone must be silent. That includes men and children also.
Besides of that, it likely was the men that spoke most. Not their wives.

I draw my logic from what the scriptures say, not speculations on circumstance. It is clear from many places in the scriptures, some of which Cardinal shared, that everyone is allowed to speak under the anointing in the assembly, as long as it is done in a reasonable and orderly manner. Therefore, in my logic, it is impossible that Paul was prohibiting all speech by women in the church. Of course, this does not make me right- I am not insisting that I am, and I shared as my  2cents.

To assume however, that the only logical perception is our own, is the most illogical method of midrash one can possibly engage in. There was an evangelist name Phillip who had 4 daughters who were prophetesses, it is written in Acts. There was a woman who Paul addressed as deacon in a salutation to the "gathering of believers(ecclesia) in your house". There was Prisca and Aquila who taught Apollos the gospel in a "more excellent way" in Acts, filling in his "blanks" so to speak. This, in my opinion, makes it unlikely that women, as members of the body, were not allowed to speak under the anointing in the assembly.

I note that Paul specifically says in the portion of scripture that we are discussing..... "If they have any questions let them ask their husbands at home."

I do believe that there is an issue of functional authority and headship involved in the question of men and women and the assembly and in the marriage relationship. I just think that we have to look at the WHOLE BODY of scripture on a subject to establish a TOPICAL CONTEXT for the discussion. This is simply the most honest way to engage in what is called the exegesis(critical examination, interpretation for understanding) of the scriptures- rather than trying to build a doctrinal parameter off of one particular verse that is not complete in addressing a larger subject matter.
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Christian Life / Re: 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Yes or No?
« Last post by sheila on April 14, 2014, 09:01:50 PM »
p.s.  Zerub babel..the one born in Babylon[captivity] His bride of which He calls to Him....come out of her my people.

   He says...'You who dwell in the gardens with friends in attendance,'let me hear your voice"
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Christian Life / Re: 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Yes or No?
« Last post by sheila on April 14, 2014, 08:48:20 PM »
 Zerubbabel.....THE LORD"S SIGN[ET} RING...........Haggai 2;20
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Christian Life / Re: 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Yes or No?
« Last post by sheila on April 14, 2014, 08:43:32 PM »
btw..speaking of women...a wedding ring has become evident in the heavens[signs in the heavens]   discovered.by astronomers


.behind Hydra[old serpent slayed]  see Bullinger wittness in the stars.   seems the groom has a wedding on His mind.  :dsunny:

 
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Christian Life / Re: 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Yes or No?
« Last post by Cardinal on April 14, 2014, 08:12:18 PM »
re; women with the gifts of the spirit not knowing what divine order is supposed to be like"  well, I can testify to the truth of that

 from my own expierence.  I liken it to learning to walk....the child has the gift of walking in the spirit in her..but certain things

  must take place first[growth/strength of the limbs/balance etc]...and there be many falls and stumblings precedinglearningto walk.

     

 :cloud9: Exactly. Got to crawl before you can walk, walk before you can run. In our zeal without knowledge, we all want to run before we can crawl, and many times fell all over ourselves. Or at least, I did, lol...... :Chinscratch:
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Christian Life / Re: 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Yes or No?
« Last post by sheila on April 14, 2014, 06:30:14 PM »
another analgy I perceive.....it is like like a connect the 'dots' or jots and tittles..for me.   then I can 'getthe picture" of what

  He is showing/revealing to me.  the individual 'dots'  I often have no clue of what He means..sometimes I make the mistake

  of 'filling in' with my own understanding..of what He is leading up to...and discover it is smething else in the end. when further

  dots are connected.

       
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