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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: All in All
« Last post by jabcat on January 04, 2015, 03:34:43 AM »
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: All in All
« Last post by jabcat on January 04, 2015, 01:08:59 AM »
you could be right and probably are as usual :thanks: 

could read, "as unusual"   :smile:
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: All in All
« Last post by joeteekay on January 04, 2015, 12:49:22 AM »
Maybe I am wrong?  :dontknow:
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: All in All
« Last post by joeteekay on January 04, 2015, 12:47:31 AM »
Hi Charlotte.  We're buddies and we agree most of the time :): I sometimes wonder how much and what I don't understand about it, but I believe the context of the passage is talking about believers.  It indicates it's to those who are the elect, as he says in the earlier verse, "who are God's chosen people" (vs. 12).  Those, as he also says (vs. 1) already "raised in Christ", i.e., have been given faith to believe on Jesus as Savior, passed from death to life, new creation, etc...not the whole world..YET.  For every knee must bow and every tongue confess Jesus.  The mass of humanity has not as yet done that, and most are labeled by scripture as children of the devil.  In my understanding, to pass from that to a child of God means "But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" Jn. 1:12.

I do believe all have a spark of God since He's Creator, He gave all a spirit, a breath.  But in my understanding there must be a new creation through faith in His name, as only He draws each one and gives faith to believe. Blessings to you dear friend.

Thanks for that thread. It is quite related to UR actually. I agree with James.

I read through the book of Collosians after this post by Charlotte, and I saw verse after verse referring to those who are in Christ now. Beautiful book.  Contrast that with the Corinthian church. Every person in his own order. The first-fruits now. then the consummation when ALL will be ALL IN ALL.

I think is can be a very good and uplifting discussion
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: All in All
« Last post by CHB on January 04, 2015, 12:42:43 AM »
Hi Buddy,

I have to admit you could be right and probably are as usual :thanks:  Hadn't read this in a while. I seen this verse on another forum and those words jumped out at me. The word IS was what I was looking at. This seemed to say Christ is all in all NOW. Now that I have read the other verses and thought about it, it looks as though you are right.

Thanks, Charlotte
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: All in All
« Last post by jabcat on January 03, 2015, 11:16:23 PM »
p.s.  without looking it right now, Paul talks about a time at the consummation (in a more global/universal sense, when every knee has bowed and Jesus "hands everything over" to the Father [there may be a better way of saying that]) when God becomes All in All.  IMO, that's when everyone is a believer and spiritually renewed?
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: All in All
« Last post by jabcat on January 03, 2015, 11:04:07 PM »
Hi Charlotte.  We're buddies and we agree most of the time :): I sometimes wonder how much and what I don't understand about it, but I believe the context of the passage is talking about believers.  It indicates it's to those who are the elect, as he says in the earlier verse, "who are God's chosen people" (vs. 12).  Those, as he also says (vs. 1) already "raised in Christ", i.e., have been given faith to believe on Jesus as Savior, passed from death to life, new creation, etc...not the whole world..YET.  For every knee must bow and every tongue confess Jesus.  The mass of humanity has not as yet done that, and most are labeled by scripture as children of the devil.  In my understanding, to pass from that to a child of God means "But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" Jn. 1:12.

I do believe all have a spark of God since He's Creator, He gave all a spirit, a breath.  But in my understanding there must be a new creation through faith in His name, as only He draws each one and gives faith to believe. Blessings to you dear friend.
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / All in All
« Last post by CHB on January 03, 2015, 10:00:18 PM »
Didn't really know where to post this?

I was wondering if anyone had thought about what this verse is saying?
Col. 3:11) Bottom of verse.  {"but Christ IS ALL AND IN ALL".}

Here it is in the Concordant.  {"but all and in all is Christ."}
This seems to say that Christ is already at this time in all. Isn't that wonderful!! If Christ is in all how will anyone be punished forever in a burning hell?

CHB
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Hellbusters Hallow / Re: Heaven, Yes...Hell, No
« Last post by eaglesway on January 03, 2015, 08:11:55 PM »
Yes. There are many words, that are translated into several different words in the KJV- and in some other versions as well(KJV is the worst), I have even run across a few in the Concordant. While i think there can be occasional contextual justification for some of that, I don't think it makes sense as a practice and is really just a manifestation of the theological preferences of the translators, which is, imo, bogus. Altho we do all work to some degree out of the inherent intellectual presumptions of what we believe- we should at least be consistent about it.
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Hellbusters Hallow / Re: Heaven, Yes...Hell, No
« Last post by Seth on January 03, 2015, 08:01:42 PM »
66 occurrences of sheol in the NT. Translated as hell and the grave and the pit in the KJV, with no apparent reason for the one word to be translated into 3 different words. should have all been the grave.

Keep up the good work Laz  :thumbsup:

As it happens, the newest translations all agree with you, including the NIV etc. I guess hell was supposed to be some brand new concept Jesus brought to the NT?......that none of the Apostles mention either.
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