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I think only mortals will die "the second death" because only they are subject to death. That's why scripture only says the Adversary, the wild beast, and the false prophet will be tormented for the eons of the eons (Revelation 20:10). I believe these three supernatural beings are included in the "all" who are reconciled with God through Christ (Colossians 1:20).
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Book of Revelation / Re: Liberation Theology
« Last post by RaiderGonzo on October 23, 2014, 10:48:59 PM »
Who is Satan would be my question, and what purpose does he serve God is the scheme of all things?

Liberation Theology aside, because I do not believe anyone can really phantom the entirety of it unless their feet are sunk mud deep in the causes of it!
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Lounge / Re: Heaven and earth
« Last post by ed on October 23, 2014, 10:41:13 PM »
Matthew 6
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt , and where thieves break through and steal : 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt , and where thieves do not break through nor steal : 21 For where your treasure is , there will your heart be also. 22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: I am not UR
« Last post by rosered on October 23, 2014, 10:14:47 PM »
It is real interesting that Christians "out there", friends and family want to know:
What Church do you go to?
What denomination are you?
Are you a Christian?
Are you a follower of Christ?

All of these are really irrelevant IMO and I feel I do not need to answer, because they all lead to follow up questions that get you nowhere.

I now simply say I believe God is the saviour of all humanity. I know that still will not satisfy but let it be thay way.
I will now only pursue a question from the outside if I see a sincere desire to understand and I hope I can respond in wisdom for the hope that is in me. It is however frustrating to try to help others see God's true plan, and it boils down to God working with a persons mind.  I can of myself do nothing, as the Word tells us.

 :2c:
:thumbsup:    Amen Bro Joe , my own sentiments exactly !!   :flowerred:
 we never want to go further than the one pushing us   for an answer , they may not get to hear what they wanted   nor expected to hear      :winkgrin:
 I have a dear sis  that is loving , but she asked me  and I told her  and she doubts    and now never calls me anylonger and  before she asked me about my faith she called me often  :sigh:
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: I am not UR
« Last post by joeteekay on October 23, 2014, 09:47:22 PM »
It is real interesting that Christians "out there", friends and family want to know:
What Church do you go to?
What denomination are you?
Are you a Christian?
Are you a follower of Christ?

All of these are really irrelevant IMO and I feel I do not need to answer, because they all lead to follow up questions that get you nowhere.

I now simply say I believe God is the saviour of all humanity. I know that still will not satisfy but let it be thay way.
I will now only pursue a question from the outside if I see a sincere desire to understand and I hope I can respond in wisdom for the hope that is in me. It is however frustrating to try to help others see God's true plan, and it boils down to God working with a persons mind.  I can of myself do nothing, as the Word tells us.

 :2c:
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: I am not UR
« Last post by Tom on October 23, 2014, 09:04:15 PM »
I always think it's funny to do so because I think the church is guilty of what it's accusing me, but I gladly admit that I'm a heretic. I refuse to conform to church doctrine because the church does not conform to the word of God. I think the first believers who were Jewish, and their proselytes, were considered to be a sect of Judaism, but, even though the Lord taught Peter a valuable lesson with a vision and the conversion of Cornelius, I think there was an important reason why Paul was converted outside Israel and separated by the holy spirit to evangelize the nations. I don't think Jesus came to establish a new "religion" though. I think he came to speak the truth and to die for the sins of the whole world. I also think his resurrection is the evidence of God's power to overcome death which is the clue to what the ultimate plan is. I am concerned with the Hebrew scriptures mostly as a historical reference for the "Christian faith" even though that is a loaded phrase since Rome corrupted it. I think what has become "Christianity," which I tend to call the church, is just the tradition of man based on intentional mistranslation of scripture thereby invalidating the word of God just as the Lord told the Pharisees and scribes they did, and it was all developed as such by the Roman Empire for the purpose of political expediency. That's why I say the church is the world religious organization that is distinct from the body of Christ. Despite the fact that I believe Jesus Christ is the word of God, the image of God, and the only-begotten son of God, I don't think I'm a member of a Jewish sect just because Yeshua HaMashiach is the yet to be realized Jewish Messiah or a member of a Christian sect just because I happen to believe scripture that his sacrifice on the cross is the means through which all on earth and in the heavens will be reconciled with God. I simply consider myself to be an unaffiliated, nondenominational, nonsectarian believer of the evangel of God given to us in the inspired written word of God. Besides believing in universal reconciliation, there are other categories that you might try to squeeze me into, but I think the only one I would maybe be comfortable with is Bible believing. I say maybe because that depends on what Bible. If you want to say I'm in a Jewish sect because the early Jewish believers were considered to be such, I'd have to say that I've never considered myself to be Jewish by birth or conversion. If you want to say I'm sectarian because the church considers me to be a heretic, then I'd have to say those are the same crazy folks who tell me I'm going to be tortured in fire forever for not agreeing with them, and I say that's wacko. So you can call me what you want according to how you see me, but that doesn't really make me what you think I am. I think I'm just a guy who believes God is the savior of all mankind, and all on earth and in the heavens will eventually be reconciled with God through Christ's blood on the cross, simply because that is what the word of God says.
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Word Studies / Re: Symmetrical Poetry in Hebrews
« Last post by rosered on October 23, 2014, 08:57:45 PM »
  WOW!  JESUS SUFFERED       BECAUSE OF    THOSE WHOM WERE
  enemies to their own lives/souls    :sweat:
 teaching us to not   do the same
 
     Makes this instruction of the Lord as a protection       in Matt 11  with    more   understanding  to me
 
   


 Jesus Offers Rest to People


25 At that time Jesus said, "I ·praise [bless; thank; acknowledge] you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the people who are wise and ·smart [learned; intelligent]. But you have ·shown [revealed] them to ·those who are like little children [L little children; infants; C those with a childlike faith].

26 Yes, Father, [ because] this is what ·you really wanted [pleased you].

27 "My Father has ·given [entrusted/committed to] me all things. No one knows the Son, except the Father. And no one knows the Father, except the Son and those whom the Son ·chooses [desires; intends] to ·tell [reveal it].

28 "Come to me, all of you who are ·tired [weary] and ·have heavy loads [overburdened; T heavy-laden] and I will give you rest.



 29 ·Accept my teachings [ Take my yoke upon you] and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in ·spirit [heart],


 and you will find rest for your ·lives [souls; Jer. 6:16]. 30


·The burden that I ask you to accept [ …because my yoke] is easy; ·the load I give you to carry [ and my burden] is light."
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Word Studies / Re: Janas Parallelism Demonstrates Aramaic Source In Matthew
« Last post by rosered on October 23, 2014, 08:48:09 PM »
Professor Cyrus Gordon has identified a type of Semitic parallelism he calls 'jans parallelisms'...

......This type of Semitic parallelism cannot be produced or reproduced in Greek. This is another indirect evidence of an Aramaic original from which the Greek was translated.

Ronen

Very interesting  :thumbsup:
More examples please.

Praise God! How beautiful!


That's what can happen in a document written by One who is a Master of all languages... :Chinscratch:

              :iagree: :iagree: :dsunny: Amen! and yes, how interesting!!

 
  :flowerred:   :sohappy:  so happy to read this    the spiritual  and hidden beauty     of the  language          and the   other posts         amen!!        God bless  you all !!!!
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Word Studies / Re: Janas Parallelism Demonstrates Aramaic Source In Matthew
« Last post by marie glen on October 23, 2014, 08:29:54 PM »
Professor Cyrus Gordon has identified a type of Semitic parallelism he calls 'jans parallelisms'...

......This type of Semitic parallelism cannot be produced or reproduced in Greek. This is another indirect evidence of an Aramaic original from which the Greek was translated.

Ronen

Very interesting  :thumbsup:
More examples please.

Praise God! How beautiful!


That's what can happen in a document written by One who is a Master of all languages... :Chinscratch:

              :iagree: :iagree: :dsunny: Amen! and yes, how interesting!!
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: the Age-Lasting Lake of Fire
« Last post by marie glen on October 23, 2014, 07:04:01 PM »
A little more about goats:

I wonder part of the answer is in the Greek words for goat and sheep (mat 25:33)

GOAT
eriphion
Thayer Definition:
1) a kid, a young goat

SHEEP
probaton
Thayer Definition:
1) any four footed, tame animal accustomed to graze, small cattle
1a) a sheep, and so always in the NT


While the translator very likely had a reason to translate as they did, lets explore another translations.

Sheep can just as well be translated as goat which is small cattle.
Goat can be translated as a kid. A  kid of what? kid sheep, kid goat.
So legitimate translations would be:
- Sheep and young sheep. -> Old sheep and young sheep.
- Goats and young goats. -> Old goats and young goats.

Old isn't about age but maturity in Christ. A babe in Christ is new Christian that can be 8 years old but just as well 88 years old.

So young points to the level of growth/education into Christ. The young ones/goats need more education.


Also read http://tentmaker.org/forum/christian-life/the-sheep-and-the-goat/msg104620/#msg104620
Reply #4 and onward.

That's awesome!! Even if the tendency to look at this verse as the saved and the unsaved, separate harvests (of Rev ch 14) at Jesus' arrival/return.. to me this still fits as the saved - mature and the not yet saved, the not yet mature/saved, but still erring 'kids'.. :smile:
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