« Last post by Seth on July 26, 2014, 09:35:56 AM »
Lol .. Bubbles.
Ways to get involved in promoting the Victorious Gospel
"Here he says it slightly different, by saying that God was reconciling the world to himself. My question to you is, who is the 'world' here that has been reconciled? Is this everyone, including unbelievers? Or is it just 'us', those who believe, not including those who do not?"
The world would be my answer. HE is reconciling, now we who consider ourselves believers, have a tendency to cause division between the "them and us" but God is reconciling the world, and that imo and I believe, is ALL the world. He did the creating and He will do and is reconciling His creation speaking of the humanity He created.
That still does not prove, imo, that God never steps back and allows us to operate in freedom as children in order to teach us who He is, and allow us to grow. That has been my whole point in all of these exchanges. At no time have I challenged the idea that God is Sovereign. I just reject the idea that His sovereignty precludes a measure of freedom for the purpose of learning discipleship and stewardship. Just because God hardened Israel, or Pharoah- does not automatically mean that He never lets us go, as in the parable of the prodigal, for instance. What is quite clear, is that we do not see the matter in the same way, and that is alrite- Jesus is Lord and God is our Father and the Savior of all. I think we agree on that LOL.
I do not see it at all in so blanket a way that you do, and I do not see the authroity in that verse for an idea opposing discipleship and stewardship.
What about the parable of the talents? What kind of an exercise in futility would that exhortation be in the scenario you are expressing :o) There are too many verses being ignored in this view, so I don't agree with it. It requires to much wrestling with clear verses to invalidate what they teach and exhort for me to be comfortable with it.
Some will say, "God controled your unrighteous use of your gifts, and God controlled the righteous use another disciple exercized. I am not convinced of this, because the accountability for failure would be baseless and the reward for overcoming a play on words with no substance.