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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: TT instead of ET?
« Last post by rosered on May 22, 2015, 07:21:43 PM »

We live and walk in death every day  , to be carnally minded is death    ,    the wisdom of the world is death  . the  blinded minds   by the subentity    of the serpent   This entity is a subentity of itself, due to a loop in the sub entity hierarchy. ..  to the spiritual mind of Christ   being subject to HIM NOW    ... JUDGING    NOW the kings of the earth and their children the princes /judges
In Adam death was what he was walking in  after eating of the tree of knowledge  of good and evil   , He was not walking in the SPIRIT  any longer ...
  The curse come  on the ground  for Adams sake    ,    and we know Eve as  the mother of all the living  ,  she  conceived once and  bore  twice ... two sons      one of the earth and one of the heavens
  the earth one  [a man ] Cain  in anger    because the   ground was cursed ,  killed the spiritual one  Able      the one of faith and herder of sheep and his blood was spilled upon  the earth   as a witness      till all the innocent blood was shed    for the guilty     

 If you can see it   , if you cannot   that fine also that just shows us   where we are in Christ  , alive or dead   , one or the other
 We are one or the other      dead works or living works   Cain was a man and of the dead works     anything of the ground was cursed of God and still is to This Day
 Christ Jesus being the  avenger of all that blood shed from the foundation of the World  was going to put the kings of the earth and their princes     at odds    with HIS  TESTIMONY      [Do not refuse  Him [My Son ] Who speaks from Heaven        ...  no more sacrificing of innocent blood       it is finished
 Death would not reign   in heaven any longer , but the earth   got a double portion    of the curse
  This is why the earth helped the WOMAN      and  swallowed up the dragons flood   of lies
  the old heavens being the tower of Babel  [where she sat as  the QUEEN OF HEAVEN ]  was struck.....   BY THE ROCK   JESUS ,  when the Shepard was    stuck and the sheep scattered   to the ends of the earth     ,   The 3 days   that Christ was in the  heart of the  earth  ... set it on FIRE [Luke 12;49] baptism of the cross
setting the course  for  THE vengeance of Gods     wrath
 in the heart of the earth  dipped in blood ..  those who kill by the same  SWORD  or word will also be killed in the like manner    , this is what will judge us all ...  the letter of the law that kills      but the Spirit gives life ..     we walk in the Spirit by faith not by sight  , the sight of the blind guides [carnal mined ]     are in the pit    in a low place
 not seated with CHRIST IN HEAVENLY PLACES     

  You see Cain  being a man  and of the earth    has the mark of the beast on him  ,   being carnal in mind is death and he killed and   God gave him a mark    being  anyone who kills him  will have vengeance of God on that man sevenfold    ...
 Now its turned around   [AT THE CROSS ]       , Anyone who does not love his brother     and forgive   and show love and mercy    seven times  seventy seven  , does  now  have the wrath of God abiding on him ..
 Because the Law is Spiritual   and no carnal man ever kept the Fiery LAW    OF GOD  , ONLY THE SPIRITUAL MAN    CHRIST BEING THE ONE  and only   
 and anyone who rejects Him rejects GODS LAW    that judges him ,    given by the  HOLY  SPIRIT & FIRE   and those born of the Spirit by the innocent blood   shed from the foundation of the world        as sheep  to the slaughter      ,   BLOOD AND WATER 1 John 5:6
 states, "This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth."      water being the first sign   given   , by 8  lives /souls saved        by the ARK   of the covenant     on the earth   
 the second covenant   being in agreement  WITH   the Son    by the SON   the ark in heaven     Rev 11 The Seventh Trumpet   [   this is the same walls of Jericho    and the 7 trumpets blowing    that the  tower of babel comes down ]       
18"And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth." 19And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.           for me  I see this as at the CROSS  , everything is centered at the Cross of Jesus Christ        and the    change of garments       from the bloody ones to the washed white ones by the    blood of the Lamb ,       you also must take up the  same cross and follow him for our garments to be changed

 Here is a beautiful    chapter that sums up   well     of Jesus Christ come to do just this  very thing  AT THE CROSS ,  or crossing over   the great gulf fixed 

 HE ALONE IS THE narrow PATH TO THE FATHER   that leads to life   , the GOD OF THE LIVING  , with the new heavens and earth      , as the old rolls up like a garment   [ that old bloody garment ]    scroll     

Psalm 79 English Standard Version (ESV)

How Long, O Lord?
A Psalm of Asaph.

79 O God, the nations have come into your inheritance;
    they have defiled your holy temple;
    they have laid Jerusalem in ruins.
2 They have given the bodies of your servants
    to the birds of the heavens for food,
    the flesh of your faithful to the beasts of the earth.
3 They have poured out their blood like water
    all around Jerusalem,

    and there was no one to bury them.
4 We have become a taunt to our neighbors,
   mocked and derided by those around us.
5 How long, O Lord? Will you be angry forever?
    Will your jealousy burn like fire?
6 Pour out your anger on the nations
    that do not know you,
and on the kingdoms
    that do not call upon your name!

7 For they have devoured Jacob
    and laid waste his habitation.
8 Do not remember against us our former iniquities;
    let your compassion come speedily to meet us,
    for we are brought very low.
9 Help us, O God of our salvation,
    for the glory of your name;
deliver us, and (W)atone for our sins,
    for your name's sake!
10 Why should the nations say,
    "Where is their God?"
Let the avenging of the outpoured blood of your servants
    be known among the nations before our eyes!

11 Let the groans of the prisoners come before you;
    according to your great power, preserve those doomed to die!
12 Return sevenfold into the lap of our neighbors
    the taunts with which they have taunted you, O Lord!
13 But we your people, the sheep of your pasture,
    will give thanks to you forever;
    from generation to generation we will recount your praise.
Hellbusters Hallow / Re: judge nothing before its time
« Last post by sheila on May 22, 2015, 07:10:44 PM »
 what about Jude some through fear and some through compassion? The law covenant on the Mount...the people feared...

  for their own good. snatch out of the fire=loped off branches cast in the fire. regarding Joshua the High this not a

  branch plucked out of the fire? A healthy fear can restrain from evil..until love comes. Just as a countries laws can restrain evil

 knowing that 'authorities' are put in place to deal with lawlessness.

    I am convinced that those God attempts to deal with...and will not heed Him...He may turn over to satan for the destruction of their

flesh......and snatch them from that same exactly the right time.short of destruction..ready to listen/heed Him.

  escaping through the skin of their teeth..

   fear can turn into a healthy respect/awe of God through discipline...and can keep you until maturity respect and love develope.

   fear of losing your wife can restrain a man from adultery. Fear of loss of the one you love can restrain your actions.

   I have a neighbor here...who had a near/death expierence[he lived a debauched life/hard man]

 it was not pleasant.....evil spirits were consuming him!  but then..he heard a voice..." I've got plans for you" and he was snatched by the

 hair of the head out of there.  a whole different attitude after the expierence.....

   I think God can use both ways to save people.  we can learn the easier way by heeding Him..or learn the hard way..but learn we will

Hellbusters Hallow / Re: judge nothing before its time
« Last post by Tom on May 22, 2015, 06:30:02 PM »
I think mystical experiences are affected by our prior spiritual beliefs, and that's why some folks experience bum trips about "hell." I had an out of body experience that involved me looking down at myself in a hospital bed and then rushing through spooky darkness before I came into the light which was an experience of total peace and unconditional love without any language communicating it. The knowledge was just intuitive. When I was back in my body, I was compelled to look in the drawer beside the bed where there was nothing but a Gideon Bible. I wasn't familiar with the Bible because I was raised Catholic, but I picked up that book and started reading it. I became overwhelmed with emotion at the realization that God was really talking to me through the words in that book. The point is that I didn't experience the common misconception of "hell," but I did feel hopeless rushing through the intense darkness right before I was in the light. I think that whole trip was symbolic of what I was going through in my life at the time while I'd been seeking the truth through means that were counterfeit even though I didn't realize that at the time. In other words, I was seeking the light in the darkness, but I finally saw the light. That's why I know the truth is the word of God. I think folks who have those heavy duty "hell" trips must have had that theology deep in their subconscious before their out of body experiences. People from different cultures have different mystical experiences that contain symbolism reflecting their spiritual beliefs. I don't remember hellfire and brimstone preaching in the Catholic Church when I was a kid, but I was definitely told about "hell" and even told my mom was going there just for being Methodist which I thought was strange and not cool. Your friend shared her mystical experience with you. I think you should share what you've learned from God with her. You could break the ice by bringing up her experience, and then reveal what you've learned to give her peace. She should want to do God's will our of love not fear. I don't see how it would do her any good to without the truth from her. Go for it.
Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / Re: Isaiah 55
« Last post by Caffus on May 22, 2015, 06:14:09 PM »
Thank you..I know it does and pray for those who take Isaiah 55:8 out of context to excuse ET :HeartThrob:
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Greetings
« Last post by Tom on May 22, 2015, 05:37:16 PM »
I understand the interest in the Hebrew scriptures, and I think they foreshadow Christ. I think something that wasn't revealed in them was the secret Paul revealed in the Greek scriptures.

"On this behalf I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you, the nations--since you surely hear of the administration of the grace of God that is given to me for you, for by revelation the secret is made known to me (according as I write before, in brief, by which you who are reading are able to apprehend my understanding in the secret of the Christ, which, in other generations, is not made known to the sons of humanity as it was now revealed to His holy apostles and prophets): in spirit the nations are to be joint enjoyers of an allotment, and a joint body, and joint partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus, through the evangel of which I became the dispenser, in accord with the gratuity of the grace of God, which is granted to me in accord with His powerful operation. To me, less than the least of all saints, was granted this grace: to bring the evangel of the untraceable riches of Christ to the nations, and to enlighten all as to what is the administration of the secret, which has been concealed from the eons in God, Who creates all, that now may be made known to the sovereignties and the authorities among the celestials, through the ecclesia, the multifarious wisdom of God, in accord with the purpose of the eons, which He makes in Christ Jesus, our Lord; in Whom we have boldness and access with confidence, through His faith." (Ephesians 3:1-12)
Hellbusters Hallow / Re: judge nothing before its time
« Last post by Caffus on May 22, 2015, 05:27:29 PM »
Yes, there are ET believers who really love God and others. One of my closest long time friends is ET. I so want her to know the Truth of UR. But I have to wait on the Lord and only share as He leads. This develops patience..although it is painful.  I want the whole world to know it now. Becuase, I know it's the Truth and what joy, love and peace it brings. But, there is a time for everything and God is in control and He knows all His plans and how they will all work together for good in the end. She has had one of those near death experiences and she is fully convinced God told her shed stay in hell forever if she didn't give her life to him. She also reads parallel Bible versions and says they say basically the same thing. Im sure they're all hell bibles. She says we just can't understand God fully..which is true, but this idea is used by ET believers to excuse and accept ET doctrine. But they're taking Isaiah 55:8 out of context, to defend ET. When if you are able to see and you read the whole chapter of Isaiah 55, it is undeniably speaking of Gods unmatched mercy, love and compassion. We can't convince anyone without the Holy Spirit, so I have to follow His lead. :Pray:
Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / Re: Dead Sea Scrolls
« Last post by Tom on May 22, 2015, 05:22:06 PM »
I hear ya. I edited my post, but I would say that Colossians 1:20 specifically says "reconcile all" and includes more than "all flesh" because I think spirit beings are included as evidenced by the words "those on the earth or those in the heavens." None of the verses you quoted spoke of "universal reconciliation."

"through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens" (Colossians 1:20)

I don't even use the phrase "universal salvation" because I think salvation applies to mankind. I realize the phrase "universal reconciliation" isn't in scripture, but I think it is the concept spoken of in Colossians 1:20. Even the salvation of all mankind doesn't include "those in the heavens." I think the salvation of all mankind means salvation from sin and death for us mortals. I think only living souls on earth are subject to death not spirit beings in "the heavens." So I think "universal reconciliation" goes beyond the salvation of all mankind or "all flesh" and includes the full scope of all creation. Just so we don't start gettin crazy quibblin about skeeters again, I'm referring to the eventual reconciliation of Satan and his messengers at the consummation of the eons when God will be all in all.
Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / Re: Dead Sea Scrolls
« Last post by GerWat on May 22, 2015, 04:47:14 PM »
From Tom, "the revelation of universal reconciliation because that was only revealed through Paul in the Greek scriptures."

Seriously?  I could swear I've seen references from the Gospels.

Here's a few from:
God has given His Son "authority over ALL flesh, to give eternal life to ALL whom He has given Him" (John 17:2). "The Father has given ALL things into the Son's hands" (John 3:35) and so "ALL flesh shall see the salvation of God" (Luke 3:6).  Because His love for His enemies is unchanging and "He is kind to the ungrateful and evil" (Luke 6:35).

Please explain your comment!
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Greetings
« Last post by Pig on May 22, 2015, 03:57:09 PM »
So please put up site addy so I can read some there if you're not going to share here.  :thumbsup: Thanks....
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