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Lounge / Re: His purpose for billions of people?

« Last post by marie glen on June 19, 2013, 05:21:23 PM »

Now imagine how I felt growing up, having been taught ET.  Everywhere I went I saw humans as hell-bait.  Every scream in an amusement park became a scream in hell.  My only haven from this oppression was church, the very institution that taught me to distort God's purpose for humans.  I am soooo glad that God has rescued me from the gospel of fear.

amen! it's so wonderful isn't it? ..the truth.. what joy! what peace! Just as Jesus aid.. "that your joy may be FuLL".. how indeed, could our joy be full if so many are headed toward perishing or terribly worse!!!!? Which I first read pointed out here on this forum.. (Tho happily not churched never did believe et or even ed.)

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Christian Life / Re: Cursing

« Last post by micah7:9 on June 19, 2013, 05:18:42 PM »

Thus the word Repent.....G3340  metanoeō to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider 
From G3539 noieō to exercise the mind (observe), that is, (figuratively) to comprehend, heed: - consider, perceive, think, understand.
1Co 2:14  and the natural man doth not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for to him they are foolishness, and he is not able to know them , because spiritually they are discerned;
1Co 2:15  and he who is spiritual, doth discern indeed all things, and he himself is by no one discerned;
1Co 2:16  for who did know the mind of the Lord that he shall instruct Him? and we--we have the mind of Christ.
2Co 11:3  and I fear, lest, as the serpent did beguile Eve in his subtilty, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in the Christ;

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Book of Revelation / Re: The Rapture and the end of this age

« Last post by marie glen on June 19, 2013, 05:11:27 PM »

I do not believe in a rapture, nor in a tribulation that looks anything like what the mainstream preaches.  I read all the Left Behind books, that was the stance of the group I grew up in, anything else was heretical.  Then I decided to look for myself what the Bible says.  And now I don't believe in that man made doctrine any more. 

For me Jesus is the lens through which I read the Bible as he is the exact imprint of the Father.  I personally don't see any literal fireballs/hailstones coming down from heaven to punish those evil doers.   

I can't even READ the left behind books.. and as far as hail.. I believe that to be debris which is a good reason for any forewarned to come out of the $iTies.. places of darkness to begin with.. and the fire? Even tho it says Jesus comes with fire (and with angels) i do believe the fire to be manmade (rev 13:13 & 6:12-17-altho this last is a description which is the braiding of what it is when 1st released and what it is when fully progressed at the 'end' of man's empire(s) if ppl get caught in the debris it won't be because i refused to try to get the word out...

yes, since the prophecies of Messiah were literally fulfilled, so do I believe such as "for it will come upon all, who dwell on the face of the earth" Lk 21:35,25 and also "and so shall we meet the Lord in the air at His coming" and "his feet touch down upon mt of Olives" (1thes 4 & zech 14:4) also to be literal, as well as the nations streaming to Jerusalem as all the prophets prophesied.

But as far as the left behind scenario.. it's not in the scriptures, imho... not at all.. It's amazing to me its pull/effect.. I liken it to the pull and mesmerism of et, and also of the famous theory of evolution.. all foolishness yet so very strong!! Oiye!! (oops, hope I don't offend anyone.. sorry, please forgive ..)

P.s - i know it's portrayed sometimes as fireballs, but it's not in the verses.. mushrooms! tho it doesn't say mushrooms either..

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Christian Life / Re: Cursing

« Last post by rosered on June 19, 2013, 05:09:14 PM »

Often I think things I shouldn't, and sometimes I say things I shouldn't. 

I'm convinced in my heart that it's my flesh/satan in me that curses - in any manner - and dirties my conscience before God.  When I confess it (agree with Him I've sinned) it's cleansed, forgiven, and forgotten.

Blessings.

 



 Yes , So do I  !!  Bro James 

the Word of God comes and washes   the dirty conscience , usually God forgive me and start praying for the  reason I cussed in the first place ! 
 
   
 
 
 
Hi  bro Eduard ,  I think we should be aware  of our weaknesses , Just   as Paul states  when  he is weak  ,
  than He is strong  any strength  to overcome  our failures 
 
 comes from trusting in Jesus ,

 As we ask Him for the help , to stay right with Him


 I dont think cleanlineness can dwell in a dirty place  ,

 that is why its  [ the mind  ]  in so many places in the WORD  that must be changed first  and is dealt with first   , as we are given the mind of Christ /obedience to the will of God
 We sure are learning obedience  with our new minds and hearts towards God   

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Christian Life / Re: Can Christians get totally free from sin?

« Last post by marie glen on June 19, 2013, 04:55:01 PM »

On a personal note.. as to why sometimes, and in case i came across as having no struggles, never failing, etc, since mneopause began i've been having a terrible problem since finding myself once again doing childcare, so easily angered, which i have to guard, one reason being as I have the two small children weekdays and don't want to be all the time annoyed and irritated (during evening duties either!).. but then too, my quiet times with the Lord have been greatly reduced so the strength and grace I need has been harder to come by.

The reason? as some of you have talked about.. I was wondering about that, because after prolonged anger comes deep dark depression and yes, thAt is a sin i greatly wish to avoid.. yet I did find out (and am doing better since:) that the anger and frustration i was feeling very definitely had a reason and a good one.. there was something needed to be gotten out of the way..

the other evening, as the sun was slanting its beautiful peridot rays under the trees (a time of day i love, the cool of the evening) i did get the chance for some quality time with the Lord, and had a 'breakthrough' - and i hope no one is bothered by my sharing it , but i don't have a church body and well, sometimes one just wants to share with fellow believers.. the Lord showed when i feel limited, can't do the things i want, can't pursue the Lord as i like, etc, i feel smothered.. i remember being smothered as punishments as a child, but have never remembered the feelings.. fighting, screaming, yes, can remember some of the episodes, but not any feelings i felt.. you likely see where this is going.. if i feel smothered in life, the original anger was coming up.. and out.. and thus was i feeling more annoyance, irritation and anger than normally would..

This was exactly the question i had been asking the Lord, why was i feeling so very out of sorts? (when i love Him so much)? i have the same circumstances going on but am doing much better because of this breakthrough/deliverance, which inside my being was surely needed.. praise JaH!!

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Arguments Against Universal Salvation / Re: Trinity Discussion, split from "Something I Just Read"

« Last post by micah7:9 on June 19, 2013, 04:31:54 PM »

I believe the Holy Spirit is the being of God. Manifest through the Son He is the Spirit of Christ. I just don't believ he is a co-equal third of a Trinity. I bet all of our actual perceptions o the Godhead are different in shades of overlap in some places and complete disagreement in others.

For instance, when Paul says Jesus has received the Holy Spirit without limit- What does that mean if the Holy Spirit is one third of a Trinity?

When it says God was p[leased to make "all the fulness dwell in Jesus"- what does that mean?

To a modalist it means just what it says- ALL OF GOD IS IN JESUS AND THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD- and I can hardly blame the modalist for reading it that way- even tho I disagree :o)

To a Binitarian Jesus can be co-equal and co-eternal or He can be a Son less than His Father and the first born of creation- or, to some Binitarians Jesus is also co-equal and co-eternal to the Father and the Holy Spirit is the onesss of the Father and the Son expressed and executed. How this is somehow stranger than the Trinity I cant really say. Because if you can believe the Trinity formula you can believe anything, I think- Nothing could be stranger to me.

To a biblical unitarian Jesus was "Foreknown from the foundation of the world but manifest in these last times for you"- they do not believe Jesus was born God at all, but rather a man, sinless by rights of a perfect seed in a virgin- and WHY NOT?

When they hear "So it pleased the Father to make all the fulness dwell in Him" they agree with the Modalist.

But all of these believe Jesus was the only begotten son of God.

All of these believe in redemption by His blood.


Muslims do not believe Jesus was the Only Begotten.
JWs do not believe Jesus was the Only Begotten.
Mormons do not believ that Jesus was the Only Begotten.

This is where the rubber meets the road for me.

No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. This doesnt mean, by the way, just saying the words as some formula. It means confessing it out of faith- a witness from the heart.

Some people see the Holy Spirit as the wind- That doesnt necessarily  mean they think anyone can access it like "the force". regardless whether they see it as  Trinity or a Binity or a Unity they see it as the spirit of YHWH and or Yeshua and understand that the access is granted through the name of the Son of God and the cleansing power of His blood within the clay vessel that bears the precious treasure.

I believe the Father and the Son and the angels are all manifestations of the One true God who is spirit- and the light that lights very man that comes into the world is also the spirit of God as Paul said, "In Him we live and breathe and have our being."

Some think "the Holy Spirit" as we know it is a particular manifestation of the overall spirit of God only for believers but we know that no man comes to the Jesus except the Father draws them. How does He draw them?  By the Spirit!

But Paul says if any man have not the Spirit of Christ that man is none of His. So we know not all men have the spirit. There is "the spirit that now works in the sons of disobedience" and the Spirit by which we cry "Abba Father"!

It is all very murky really, quite convoluted and by no means clear IMO-

I completely fail to understand how folks can put their foot down so hard on any of the particular views expressed in the main systems they are in as if any of them was anywhere near complete or clear or totally sound :o)

I must agree with EW. My one problem is "trinity" [a theological theory of 3 persons in 1] not found once described in the Bible. And as mplsfitter539 stated "My parents believe in the trinity theory along with x-mas, easter, pre trib rapture theory, and most all of the other pagan doctrines slipped in while no one was looking. My older sister is a "pastor" for the youth group in her church and she also buys into all of the false doctrines of mainstream "christianity" Accept "... while no one was looking."
The Lord God certainly knew these things would come about, so He was looking.

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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT

« Last post by rodgertutt on June 19, 2013, 04:17:14 PM »

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #66

WHY?

Why did God make the universe, the earth and sky above?
Scripture gives the answer when it says that "God is Love".
Before God made the universe He worked out a master plan.
He knew how everything would end before it all began.
He made mankind so He could have an object for His love,
But man was blind and did not see that it came from above.
So God created evil as He had created night,
So man could see the good in Him - In darkness we see light.
He made the "blackboard" very black, with evil, sin, and woe.
He made an adversary to be His cunning foe.
He made the earth to be a "stage" to show the hosts above,
By all of our experiences, His wisdom and His love.
He locks up all in stubbornness to make His mercy clear;
Lets Satan lure all men away so He can draw all near.
He gives His only firstborn Son to die and save us all.
Yet each in his own class we read; we're blind until our call.
You ask me why God made the earth, the glittering stars above?
The Scriptures give the answer when they say that 'God is love".
Ray Prinzing

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Christian Life / Re: Can Christians get totally free from sin?

« Last post by marie glen on June 19, 2013, 04:16:07 PM »

...sometimes, too, I think people get carried away with what is sin.. although if sin is imperfection, which to me it is, then I guess that covers a LOT!

But I think Christians (some anyway) can have a tendency to worry too much. And expect too much from their self. Do we sometimes get impatient? angry? even perhaps a cuss find its way across our lips? but didn't Jesus provide the forgiveness, so why beat ourselves up over it? Repent of it and get over it.. For to repent is to be cleansed..

Do we sometimes have a judgmental or nongracious thought? Do we perhaps eat too much on Thanksgiving? Or feel the pull of an old habit such as smoking? Or alcohol if we had a problem? I say if there was a problem for having a couple of beers, to me, is no sin, which of course I can back up by scripture, but many Christians think it is.. whereas of course drunkenness is!!

I think there's a tendency to worry way too much.. now if we were wanting to defraud, had stolen, committed adultery (or done so with the eyes, a big trap, that one should worry if keeps coming up of course)

But basically.. most of us don't get the urge to murder, to steal, defraud.. assault.. or even commit adultery in the heart..

And of course the closer our walk with the Lord, the less pull toward any of these things..

And here of course is the paradox (which may have been mentioned already) but the more concerned we are with "the law" and "the flesh" as to trying to 'be good' in our piddly strength, the worse our case will be and becomes!! For law mixed with grace dilutes grace of its POWER.

I really think for those who truly love the Lord and our heavenly Father, we have one rule - to love God.. for if we do love YHWH/God Almighty, we will seek to abide in Him and under His wing and shadow, and will actively seek and love (worship) Him.. which fills us up with Him, who is love, therefor love will flow through us, and "love works no ill" and we shall love our fellow person, which really, isn't thAt where it's at?

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Christian Life / Re: I don't usually mention this

« Last post by marie glen on June 19, 2013, 03:57:27 PM »

hi!

  ...and don't forget what's prophesied "a new heavens and a new Earth" ("wherein righteousness is to dwell") also "we will be given a new body" and Jesus after death, burial and resurrection, ate.. and told Thomas "touch my wounds.."

..and another time after resurrection told the disciples "see I am no ghost, handle me and see, for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see I have" (Lk 24:39)

 

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Christian Life / Re: Can Christians get totally free from sin?

« Last post by sheila on June 19, 2013, 03:26:39 PM »

Psalms 32;2  Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven,whose sins are covered.Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not count

against him,and in whose spirit is no deceit.  Romans 4;4-8

   He has made loving provision for us all while still in this state...and the time will come when we shall all be completely delivered...