1) You said that nobody knows who they are earlier in the thread. When I responded that I know I am a child of God your response was that you think that is claiming a crown before the race is won. When I responded about being saved and being assured of it, you responded, and I am paraphrasing from memory- well, you can do that if you want but make your calling and election sure.
My response to that is that "the horse" is that I know that I am a child of God by reconciliation which is a gift that creates a connection and a new creation, and I know it.Every believer should know it, and be taught it. We can know it by the Spirit of adoption- without any doubt whatsoever. The race is "the cart".
When you said:
"The reply being(agree quickly with thine adversary lest he deliver you to the judge and the judge deliver you to the bailiff), "I did do that and I do this, but I confess
this before Him, He forgives me, and I will overcome by His grace."(If we confess our sins He is faithful to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness)"
That is where I agreed. IF….we confess our sins. Not just IF we believe in Jesus, and that's that.
The second thing is your explanation about Eph 2:8-10
As I understood your response you said Paul was speaking to people who were trying to be justified by law works.
This is incorrect. There is NO discourse about law to the Ephesians. They were not being troubled by law. This was a predominantly Gentile church, in excellent shape. Overcoming. Maturing.
Eaglesway, it can be pretty frustrating talking about this with you because I already said that I was comparing, not to Ephesians 2, but to ROMANS 4.
Did you see me say that? I clarified that later and you are STILL bringing it up. I feel like you are not really reading my posts.
In Romans 4
he is talking about justification apart from works OF THE LAW.
In ROMANS 4, Paul is talking about works of the Law.
In JAMES 2, he is not talking about being justified by works of the Law. In James 2, he is talking about how faith without works dies when people are GREEDY. He's saying stop being greedy, because faith alone won't save you from that if you don't eventually take action against being greedy.
Pauls instructions to the Ephesians were all about moving into the mature man, filled up to all the fulness of God.
Eph 2:8-10 is a clear bottomline definiton of salvation- the how and why.
How-by grace through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God.
YES I AGREE
Grace through faith saves us from sin because GRACE CHASTENS US TO ABANDON UNGODLINESS. And that abandoning (verb) is what saves us from slavery IN sin. Without the abandoning
, there won't be complete salvation from sin.
So, in Ephesians 2 he says that we FORMERLY walked in the ways of the world because we were joined to Christ (by grace you have been saved).
Saved from what? WALKING in the ways of the world, because we receive the Spirit. Not just believing in Jesus ALONE.