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Humor-Poems-Songs-Movies / Re: So You Don't Want To Go To Church Anymore?
« Last post by eaglesway on April 19, 2014, 02:19:22 AM »
Shawn, I agree with you, as far as being sensitive is concerned. Led by the Spirit. I do think we ought to be ready to give an answer for what we believe, not club everybody over the head by what we believe. I do think boldness is important tho, and if I am unsure, I want to trust God and go with it :o)

Sometimes actions speak louder than words, and Christ is seen more easily than He is heard, in many instances. As I said before, it is complex and highly individual, but I always encourage those who understand who Christ really is and what God is really doing to share, because people who reject our testimony will often begin seeing it in the scriptures at a later point because their consciousness has been opened to what the word says after hearing the trumpet- even when they first thought the trumpet was a deception. Then they will be much more likely to love those they formerly railed upon, at least, that is what the victorious gospel produced in me. :o)
Hello jabcat:

YLTMatthew 7
13 `Go ye in through the strait gate, because wide is the gate, and broad the way that is leading to the destruction, and many are those going in through it;
14 how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Few find the path to heaven; many end in hell.

Can that be said for all of us because we have all sinned and come short of the Glory of God? Is that not why we need a Savior? Is Jesus saving the man that is dead in trespasses and sins and is buried with Christ in his death or is Jesus saving the new man that comes out of death when Jesus awakens him to spiritual consciousness? It is the new man that rises with Jesus, the Christ, in his resurrection.

I contend that the old man never finds the strait gate because he is dead with Christ in his death. It is the new man in Christ, that comes through the strait gate when he rises with Christ when God awakens him from the dead. it is the new man with a heart of flesh that will hear and respond to Jesus :grin: call and hearken and obey the good news through the faith of God working through him which is from the Spirit of God who is outworking what Jesus has accomplished by atoning for the sins of the whole world in God's appointed times.

Col 1:14  in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of the sins,
Col 1:15  who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,
Col 1:16  because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,
Col 1:17  and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted.
Col 1:18  And himself is the head of the body--the assembly--who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all things --himself--first,
Col 1:19  because in him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle,
Col 1:20  and through him to reconcile the all things to himself--having made peace through the blood of his cross--through him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens.

God bless you,

Humor-Poems-Songs-Movies / Re: So You Don't Want To Go To Church Anymore?
« Last post by joeteekay on April 19, 2014, 12:38:35 AM »
 Hey Seth :thumbsup:
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello from NY
« Last post by jasman on April 18, 2014, 11:57:10 PM »
Thanks Ed. 

And Eaglesway, it would be great to meet up sometime.  I get to the City on occasion, or I'd enjoy meeting somewhere mid-Hudson for coffee and UR conversation if we can pull it off sometime.  Let's keep it in mind.  Thanks!

Hello Everybody,

I'm glad to be on the Tentmaker forums. The Site has given me a lot of hope in my gradual, years-long conversion to the Universalist Gospel. In order to spread the Gospel, I have written a brief, 37-page essay which makes 5 Biblical cases for Universalism. I would be highly appreciative for any feedback and constructive criticism. I also seek to learn new ideas from the forums themselves. The essay is attached in a Word doc below. Thank you all.

Hi Brian, I have begun reading your essay. Perhaps if you have time you may want to read mine at , particularly the 3 entries "Hell is a Myth", "All in All", and "The Fire of God". They are relatively short. Then we can chat about our perceptions. In the meantime I will read your essay a couple times over the next couple days. Peace, John
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello from NY
« Last post by eaglesway on April 18, 2014, 11:40:15 PM »
Hi Jas,

I live in Queens, NYC. maybe we can meet halfway for a cup a jo sometime :o)
Humor-Poems-Songs-Movies / Re: So You Don't Want To Go To Church Anymore?
« Last post by Seth on April 18, 2014, 10:59:15 PM »
In my own opinion, if simply treating people with kindness was the same as sharing the Gospel, I think about why Christ compares the Gospel to a sword which divides family member from family member, and does not bring peace. Are Bhuddists sharing the Gospel by being kind? I am not meaning to be divisive or argumentative, but I think the Bible says that doctrine cannot be separated from the Gospel.

Galatians 1
6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Humor-Poems-Songs-Movies / Re: So You Don't Want To Go To Church Anymore?
« Last post by shawn on April 18, 2014, 10:42:35 PM »
Defining who and what is a believer is kinda critical to this discussion in my opinion. Were the Pharisees believers? The Levites? Jesus defined the Samaritan as a believer and the Pharisee and the Levite as not "acceptable". The acceptable sacrifice is the HEART OF CHRIST, not just the confession of Christ. Many confess Christ. Does Jesus define them as believers? Perhaps not- "Depart from you lawless ones into the fire prepared for the devil and his angels, I never knew you, for I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was hungry and you gave me no food I was naked and you did not clothe me."

Jesus said, "They will persecute you and cast you from their synagogues and say all manner of evil concernng you."

Was He really just talking about Jewish synagogues?

I don't think so. If you proclaim the true gospel pf Jesus Christ you will rarely have opportunity to gather with more than two or three "believers". You will be cast out of the gatherings of the contemporary Pharisees and Levites.

Our religious definitions of scriptural principles have often been induced by over a thousand years of orthodox indoctrination.

If I cannot speak the truth am I in the midst of "believers"? Religionists abound in the name of Jesus Christ and only God knows who among them are truly believers- not that speaking the truth necessarily makes one a "believer" either, because Paul says if I have all knowledge so as to understand every mystery and have not love I am nothing.

I believe we are assembling, in a manner, on Tentmaker. The living water flows wherever it can find a channel through which to pass. My personal belief is that if we are so afraid to stir dissension that we cannot "speak the truth in love" about what we believe- WE are the ones being deceived.

Of course, All is led by the Spirit, each one in his/her particular situation and calling and purpose- short term or long term......but I loath religious definitions of spiritual realities because they become whips and cords to bind saints in a land "where no water is".

"Come out of her and be a clean and separate people".... "Let us suffer with Him outside the camp, sharing His reproach".....

These things can be complex, but when it comes to the true gospel of Jesus, when I am among the so-called or the called, I would rather err on the side of boldness, because WHAT DOES MY SILENCE ACCOMPLISH?

How shall they hear unless someone proclaim? And how shall they understand, unless clear notes are sounded upon the trumpet?

We are the gatherers, who carry about this precious treasure in earthen vessels, the Savior of All and His gospel of the kingdom of God. Peace.

I hear you.  I think this is a very individual thing, done in individual seasons.  Personally, I speak to some and not others.  I must ask myself continually why I want to talk to someone about my beliefs.  I know many here are well past this kind of immaturity, but I have to fight my ego.  I feel like I have been given something really special, and it's easy for it to go to my head.  It's easy for me to get caught up in being right rather than loving another human being.  In reality I am much more concerned with showing another human being understanding and kindness and in that I am sharing the true gospel of Christ.  That is so much bigger than doctrine, ideas, studies, or insights I may have.  Every time we love another human being we share the true gospel.  Whether or not I share what I believe about hell, UR, or various other subjects is so secondary to that.  There are some ready to hear...and to those I speak...those who are not...and to those I don't.  I try to be sensitive to open doors.
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello from NY
« Last post by ed on April 18, 2014, 10:36:02 PM »
Howdy jasman.


I'm in New Mexico.

Hi Brian,

I downloaded your essay and look forward to reading it.  I will let you know what I think, but probably can't promise a thorough and in depth analysis.  I'll be in touch.  Thanks for sharing!

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