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By a pastor-theologian who won't even sign his own name, how intellectually courageous.
I think Michael R. Jones put his name in the website URL :-)

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It amazes me how many people who disagree with UR so vehemently spend sooo much time and effort in writing articles and tomes disagreeing with it. I would never invest my own time and thoughts in something I disagreed with so strongly. I would get on with my own life. I don't really care about what they think. I have already come to my position after much consideration, prayer, study and God's dealings. Why would people imagine I would change my position after reading their opinion. We each must walk our own road. I don't know why people even feel the need to post other peoples anti-UR opinions. They don't mean anything and have no power over the truth we already believe.

I could argue the contrary. It's a duty to spread  the info. Many people in both OT and NT teach about God and often at the same time rebuking false doctrine.

Teaching and rebuking is virtually the same. If Gary defends/teaches UR he attacks everything not UR.


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I don't really care about what they think. I have already come to my position after much consideration, prayer, study and God's dealings. Why would people imagine I would change my position after reading their opinion.
Did you really form your own opinion by Bible study only? Until that point you never read a commentary? You never listened to a sermon? You never discussed a verse with someone?

I think it's never good to assume 'you' found the right position. You simply do not have the right position unless you are God Himself. There are always good things that can be perfected, flaws that needs to be cut out and new things to be learned.

So your take on this whitewings was to admonish me.....feel better now?
Depends. Did you learn from it? :laugh:
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Wrath(death) is real, but it is temporal, it eventually gets swallowed up my mercy until all is life.
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By a pastor-theologian who won't even sign his own name, how intellectually courageous.
I think Michael R. Jones put his name in the website URL :-)

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It amazes me how many people who disagree with UR so vehemently spend sooo much time and effort in writing articles and tomes disagreeing with it. I would never invest my own time and thoughts in something I disagreed with so strongly. I would get on with my own life. I don't really care about what they think. I have already come to my position after much consideration, prayer, study and God's dealings. Why would people imagine I would change my position after reading their opinion. We each must walk our own road. I don't know why people even feel the need to post other peoples anti-UR opinions. They don't mean anything and have no power over the truth we already believe.

I could argue the contrary. It's a duty to spread  the info. Many people in both OT and NT teach about God and often at the same time rebuking false doctrine.

Teaching and rebuking is virtually the same. If Gary defends/teaches UR he attacks everything not UR.


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I don't really care about what they think. I have already come to my position after much consideration, prayer, study and God's dealings. Why would people imagine I would change my position after reading their opinion.
Did you really form your own opinion by Bible study only? Until that point you never read a commentary? You never listened to a sermon? You never discussed a verse with someone?

I think it's never good to assume 'you' found the right position. You simply do not have the right position unless you are God Himself. There are always good things that can be perfected, flaws that needs to be cut out and new things to be learned.

So your take on this whitewings was to admonish me.....feel better now?
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Lounge / Re: The lost son and lost sheep parables
« Last post by marie glen on January 31, 2015, 07:27:01 AM »

 
 Luke 12 27"Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these.

 28If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow[b] is thrown into the fire[/b], how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith!

 29And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. 31But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

32"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.

33Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.

 34For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
 
 God is the  giver to all  :Pray:

dear sister! I LOVE those verses.. some of my favorites.. especially, "consider the lilies, they neither spin nor toil but your heavenly Father clothes them.." :smile: ..even just "consider the lilies" - I must be wanting to see spring! :)
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Lounge / Re: The lost son and lost sheep parables
« Last post by marie glen on January 31, 2015, 07:23:20 AM »
How do ETer's twist these two parables to fit with the Hell doctrine.

I believe they have taken the one scripture which could be seen as meaning, after death no chance to repent and believe.. which is when Jesus told the pharisees unless they repented they would die in their sins. Which to me means they will rise still in the carnal, imperfect and flawed, sinful nature.. (DOA) But surely judgment day will be a rather long day of intense review of all human history, a day of weeping and wailing even the gnashing of teeth.. so much terribleness done under the sun.. all reviewed, writing/deeply engraving His law on every heart, mind and psyche..
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Who teaches?
« Last post by marie glen on January 31, 2015, 07:10:06 AM »
I think if we read and abide in His Word, we will through the spirit of the Lord, separate all truth from untruth and all untruth from all truth...So many pursue this teacher, that preacher, this book, that seminar (though I love the Intelligent design teachings and lectures!)

I think we can learn when others are teaching scripture, cross references, etc.. but the ultimate ruler (measure) is His Word, and nothing needs to be added to it nor taken away from it... The New Testament is so slim, I'm thinking reading it through every year, with prayer and Spirit led meditation upon it, after a while, should be clarity and understanding, hopefully increasing.. :smile:

I've gotten the impression the very first church was all/many sharing, not one preaching and lots and lots of united prayers..
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Lounge / Re: After the flesh
« Last post by marie glen on January 31, 2015, 07:01:25 AM »
..after the flesh.. the old and carnal nature, the lower nature (and mind) which is at enmity with God.. Not matter for God said "behold it's all good".. the gnostics thought rather than needing to be saved from sin/imperfect nature, we and the world had to be saved from being matter or 'in matter'.. such were the nico-laitans who taught that since the body, eating, everything was evil, than sin didn't matter because it was all bad so what they hey.. nico-laity-ans (nico-victory over-laity-ppl, nico-leaders, lording over, superior, hidden knowledge/gnosis)

remedy to the lower nature is Christ in us.. the law (Pentecost, the date of law given from Sinai Mt) was replaced by the Holy Spirit poured out on belivers at Pentecost
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I have always thought of the wrath of God as natural consequences and results.. as natural law very much consciously established by God.. much like, the wages of sin (result of imperfection) is the opposite of life/God(perfection).. primary lesson of life/living, to wander from God brings calamity, collapse, into smoke and ashes, which smoke/memory will rise up forever and ever.. calamity/collapse/wrath when it occurs unveils truth..

I really like that explanation. In fact I think Romans 1 and 2 read in their entirety, top to bottom, really show the wrath of God as the natural consequences of sin.
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I have always thought of the wrath of God as natural consequences and results.. as natural law very much consciously established by God.. much like, the wages of sin (result of imperfection) is the opposite of life/God(perfection).. primary lesson of life/living, to wander from God brings calamity, collapse, into smoke and ashes, which smoke/memory will rise up forever and ever.. calamity/collapse/wrath when it occurs unveils truth..
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Yeah, I could see that God's wrath upon sin came down upon Christ in the form of a sin offering. It definitely wouldn't have happened except that God required it, that's for sure.
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