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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Last post by sheila on February 27, 2015, 03:05:12 AM »
   :thumbsup: Ps9....  anybody notice that in the old covenant[after the pattern of heaven] that Father found the smell of

   burnt/consumed flesh..on His altar....a restful odour?
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Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / Re: Hebrews 5:9
« Last post by jabcat on February 27, 2015, 02:33:18 AM »
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Last post by Psalm91:4 on February 27, 2015, 01:04:11 AM »
Just a confirmation.  I got the "shaken" verses around 4/5am this morning while resting on my pillow and kept thinking bout them.

So I`m paying really careful attention to everything said in this thread!   :)

Don`t you just love when the Lord confirms His own word to us....speaks once then twice?  (Forget where that is ...somewhere in scripture)

This board needs a fire emoticon.   :dsunny:
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Last post by eaglesway on February 27, 2015, 12:53:41 AM »
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Fire burning trees. "Now the axe is laid to the root of the trees". Jesus is speaking of people and groups of people in authority, that have grown up together, that cast a shadow, but that are no longer trees of life- they get "chopped down"- made irrevelant, revealed as futile, frivolous, unfruitful- and "cast into the fire".The fire is that which is consuming the things that are consummable- wood hay and stubble, versus gold, silver and precious stone. Which again, is purifying and corrective.

Love the post, particularly above. In Deuteronomy 4, where we get the consuming fire reference, Moses also refers to Egypt as an iron smelting fire. For some, I believe the fire represents being cut off, fire being a great symbol for taking what is tall, and reducing its size, being humbled. In that sense, the fire of God that cuts one off for the destruction of the flesh is, in itself also refining because it brings about a positive result.

Yes. I was thinking about how for gold, silver - fire purifies. It separates the gold or silver from impurities and from alloys (lead, iron, tin). Alloys can blend with gold and silver. That may be useful to man but it is not useful to God.

Precious stone is formed in pressure and fire.

Five Requirements for Crystallization

Ingredients     
Temperature
Pressure
Time
Space


It is very interesting really, how simple elements crystaize. In the kingdom- God is making crystals.

"in the beginning the earth was without form and void"

We are the ingredients

God is the temperature/fire

Life brings the pressure

Time and Space allow for the transformation.







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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Last post by joeteekay on February 27, 2015, 12:44:33 AM »
It brings to mind how that Christ was crucified outside Jerusalem. Outside the heavenly Jerusalem, repentance is like the destruction of the flesh, when man calls out unto the Lord. Inside that Jerusalem is where the elect are living resurrected lives.

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Gal_4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Heb_12:22  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Last post by Seth on February 27, 2015, 12:29:05 AM »
It brings to mind how that Christ was crucified outside Jerusalem. Outside the heavenly Jerusalem, repentance is like the destruction of the flesh, when man calls out unto the Lord. Inside that Jerusalem is where they live new resurrected lives. Romans 6 comes to mind about the likeness of resurrection in newly Spirit baptized lives.

I think this is why, in Isaiah 30 it says that the breath of the Lord stokes the fire of Tophet. He brings about the repentance he desires even if it means using Babylonian idols for his purpose.

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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Last post by Seth on February 27, 2015, 12:20:16 AM »
A reversal of fortune..

4 The bows of the mighty men are broken, and they that stumbled are girded with strength.

5 They that were full have hired out themselves for bread; and they that were hungry ceased: so that the barren hath born seven; and she that hath many children is waxed feeble.
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Last post by eaglesway on February 27, 2015, 12:15:18 AM »
"For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's,
And He has set the world upon them.
He will guard the feet of His saints,
But the wicked shall be silent in darkness.
"For by strength no man shall prevail.
The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken in pieces;
From heaven He will thunder against them.
The Lord will judge the ends of the earth.

Love these verses.

Pillars of the earth.

Yet once more I will shake the heavens and the earth. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.

Oh, that You would rend the heavens!
That You would come down!
That the mountains might shake at Your presence—Is 64:1
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Last post by eaglesway on February 27, 2015, 12:03:04 AM »
Thank you Eaglesway for your post.
Fire used in the furnace of redemption.

One work that we can build on the foundation that goes through the fire.
That we could praise Jesus for his willingness to go to and through the cross.
When we praise him for his sacrifice.
Our praise is counted as a sacrifice.
Seems such an easy work. 
Praise the Lord.

 :banana:
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Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / Re: Hebrews 5:9
« Last post by eaglesway on February 26, 2015, 11:59:54 PM »

yes.  just trying to make sure i'm being clear what i'm saying..i think that's what many miss, sort of "oh, you believe in UR, so that means you think you can live like you want, you don't even have to believe, God's going to save everybody anyway".  But i'm saying, that's not what a true believer says, nor how someone following Christ lives.  He works in a believer's life, to do His good pleasure.  Again, I think there are just some misunderstandings of what Biblical, Christian ultimate reconciliation is. 

 Never mind if one has called on the name of the Lord, believed and trust Him as Savior, and is in surrender to Him. :(

This is true, and clarifying that issue quickly and effectively is one of our biggest challenges.

I think that's very true, and most think UR is all paths lead to the Father, or all saved but without repentance and being born again, and following via the Spirit..
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