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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Last post by Seth on October 01, 2014, 09:25:26 PM »
i fell so badly but not because i hated him...i did not want to be an enemy of god...but i fell into very bad sins and i do not know how to undo them...two especially...i have asked him to forgive me but he has not....i cannot fix them or know how to....i did not want to be his enemy or to trample him underfoot...i love him and did not  live like i did though or i would not have sinned...i cannot stop crying... i wan tot come back to him and have been tring all year but he seems to make it clear i crossed the line...it took me 20 years to finally once and for all confess a certain sin and i still do not know how to undo the damage it caused...i am sure ti was him who told me he held all of those things against em and i was nto forgiven fo them...he was very angry with me...i feel so hopeless

Brother, you remind me of someone:

Luke 18
10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


I am humbled by your honesty and your heart felt cry for the Lord. Stay close to the Lord. The important thing is to trust him. Let every step be taken in faith that God honors those who cry out to him.
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Hello, My name is Chris and I was born and raised in Lancaster, Pa. (yes, Amish country) My background is Anabaptist on both sides and for the first 30 years of my life, I ran from Jesus and rejected my Christian upbringing. I committed my life to Christ after my first visit to a Laodicean/Sardis type Church and after a few years of struggling in fleshly works, finally began to seek the Holy Spirit. After about 9 months, I had an encounter with the Holy Spirit and have been consumed with a desire to know YHWH in every way possible. My wife and I felt lead to leave our carnal church to receive spiritual wisdom and guidance just over a year ago and have been on a path unlike any we ever experienced before...Now I am at a place of continuing to unlearn false doctrine and rebuild my foundation on the Lord Jesus Christ alone, the only sure foundation and not man's doctrine. I found this website by daily online search of deep Biblical topics, trusting the Holy Spirit to guide me.

KooL!! ..all of it!! (Awesome, actually!) Welcome to Tentmaker Forum! Love and blessings to you and your wife! :hiya:
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Christian Life / Re: Jesus receiving the Holy Spirit without measure
« Last post by Tom on October 01, 2014, 09:04:55 PM »
PS: I just think we should agree to disagree on certain things because we all have our own perspective according to how we interpret scripture, and we should concentrate on what we agree on.   
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Christian Life / Re: Jesus receiving the Holy Spirit without measure
« Last post by Tom on October 01, 2014, 08:53:47 PM »
I realize that's the common understanding. That's why I said I knew I'd catch heat for saying what I did. I used to believe the same thing. I don't think it's something for fellow believers to get upset about though because I think we're going to disagree about various interpretations of scripture once in awhile. What we agree on is the death, entombment, and resurrection of Christ which is basic to our faith, and some have even been given the revelation of universal reconciliation. We're all family though, and families are going to have their disagreements. God bless you, bro. 
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Welcome Chris. I was born in Pennsylvania too. I always wondered what my dad was talking about when he said "Pennsylvania Dutch," but now I know. You may have been chosen to minister to those folks because you're familiar with their tradition. It's good you were guided to this site. You're going to find diverse opinions about various doctrines, but most agree that God is the savior of all mankind and all on earth and in the heavens will be reconciled to God through Christ because that is what scripture says. I was raised to be prejudiced against the English too but not because I was Amish. I'm half Irish and always identified more with that half than the English half. My dad once said, if he was in Ireland, he would have been in the IRA. I think it's sad those folks kill each other over what most of us outside that country think is religion even though it's more complicated than that. My 90 year old dad is a die hard Catholic, but I left the church at a young age. It took me some time to go through church withdrawal too, and, like you, I was guided by holy spirit to a website about universal reconciliation that changed my life. I was mad at the church for never telling me the truth in scripture, but then I realized that was because it was just trying to preserve its worldly power over its followers using fear instead of sharing God's love. I wasn't familiar with scripture when I was young because church tradition is what the Catholic Church pushes not scripture. Even after I had a epiphany causing me to realize God really does speak to us through scripture, I didn't know about the intentional mistranslation in the popular versions. It wasn't until I got mysteriously bounced to that website about universal reconciliation that I began to learn about that. When I first started reading about universal reconciliation, I thought it had to be fraudulent information like lots of believers say it is these days, but the more I read about it trying to disprove it, the more I began to realize it must be true. Like I said I got mad at the church when I finally came to believe it, but then I felt sorry for those in the church who are deceived by its doctrine. I've spent some time debating some atheists and church folks online, and I've gotten just as much hate from both of them. I understand why they feel that way, and I forgive them in their ignorance. It can be frustrating dealing with that, but I think we all need to learn to think for ourselves when we're adults. Some folks just prefer to let others tell them what to believe, but I'd rather be an outsider with a knowledge of the truth than to be socializing with folks who are deceived. I think you made the right choice, brother. Here's another good website for you to visit. http://concordant.org/ God bless you and your family.
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Christian Life / Re: Jesus receiving the Holy Spirit without measure
« Last post by eaglesway on October 01, 2014, 08:16:40 PM »
This is kind of relating to the begettin joke. I know I'm going to catch some heat for this, but I think Jesus was talking to Nicodemus about Israel being begotten anew in the coming eon, but we in Christ are a new creation.

"So that, if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: the primitive passed by. Lo! there has come new!" (2 Corinthians 5:127)

I realize...

"For whoever are baptized into Christ, put on Christ, in Whom there is no Jew nor yet Greek, there is no slave nor yet free, there is no male and female, for you all are one in Christ Jesus. Now if you are Christ's, consequently you are of Abraham's seed, enjoyers of the allotment according to the promise." (Galatians 3:27-29)

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is anything, but a new creation." (Galatians 6:15)

So there is no distinction "in Christ" between us and Jewish believers, but I think those in Israel who aren't "in Christ" are who was being referred to when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus about being begotten anew.

"We have found an unholy temple, an unspiritual priesthood, and now we are introduced to an ignorant teacher! Intense application to a single text book for a whole life had not taught him the elements of the truth! Nicodemus, however, was impressed with the Lord's works, little as he understood His words. Like the rest, he takes literally what is figurative. He should have known from Ezekiel, the prophet, that Israel could not enter the kingdom without a new spirit (Eze.36:26).
     Spiritual regeneration, the one imperative condition, apart from which the kingdom cannot be entered, is utterly beyond his erudition. All that he considered vital was physical relationship with the favored nation.
     The Lord did not give out regeneration as good news, but as bad news. This is not the gospel, even for the Circumcision. The evangel is always concerned with God and His Christ, never with man and his needs or efforts. Of the latter nothing good can be said, no evangel can be formulated. The new birth is not an evangel in any sense. It makes a demand he has no means of meeting.
     For one like Nicodemus, expecting to enter the kingdom by physical generation, it would be quite a blow to demand spiritual regeneration. Men are utterly helpless in regard to their physical generation. They can do no more to accomplish their spiritual regeneration. It is the sovereign work of God's spirit.
     Searching as the figure is, it does not probe nearly so deeply into human helplessness as the truth for the present economy of God's grace. Now, if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation (2 Co.5:17). In spirit, we skip the era of the kingdom, the renascence, and enter the new creation, over a thousand years later. A new birth will fit them for a life on earth during the millennial eon. The new creation fits us for our celestial destiny. They will receive a rejuvenation of the faculties, we will be changed at the resurrection and receive powers and capacities far beyond our present possibilities. Regeneration keeps company with repentance and baptism. The new creation accompanies the dispensation of the conciliation (2Co.5:18)." (Concordant Commentary pg.143)

1 Pet 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you

I think we have been born again by the word implanted, and the new creation we are becoming is growing, first the shoot then the stalk....unto the full head of grain(eonian life) because of what we have already received in the new birth.
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Christian Life / Re: Jesus receiving the Holy Spirit without measure
« Last post by eaglesway on October 01, 2014, 08:11:43 PM »
Col. 1:19 For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Eph 4 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.

Acts 2:32 This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore having been exalted [ag]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.
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Christian Life / Re: Jesus receiving the Holy Spirit without measure
« Last post by Tom on October 01, 2014, 08:02:49 PM »
This is kind of relating to the begettin joke in the other thread. I know I'm going to catch some heat for this, but I think Jesus was talking to Nicodemus about Israel being begotten anew in the coming eon, but we in Christ are a new creation.

"So that, if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: the primitive passed by. Lo! there has come new!" (2 Corinthians 5:127)

I realize...

"For whoever are baptized into Christ, put on Christ, in Whom there is no Jew nor yet Greek, there is no slave nor yet free, there is no male and female, for you all are one in Christ Jesus. Now if you are Christ's, consequently you are of Abraham's seed, enjoyers of the allotment according to the promise." (Galatians 3:27-29)

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is anything, but a new creation." (Galatians 6:15)

So there is no distinction "in Christ" between us and Jewish believers, but I think those in Israel who aren't "in Christ" are who was being referred to when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus about being begotten anew.

"We have found an unholy temple, an unspiritual priesthood, and now we are introduced to an ignorant teacher! Intense application to a single text book for a whole life had not taught him the elements of the truth! Nicodemus, however, was impressed with the Lord's works, little as he understood His words. Like the rest, he takes literally what is figurative. He should have known from Ezekiel, the prophet, that Israel could not enter the kingdom without a new spirit (Eze.36:26).
     Spiritual regeneration, the one imperative condition, apart from which the kingdom cannot be entered, is utterly beyond his erudition. All that he considered vital was physical relationship with the favored nation.
     The Lord did not give out regeneration as good news, but as bad news. This is not the gospel, even for the Circumcision. The evangel is always concerned with God and His Christ, never with man and his needs or efforts. Of the latter nothing good can be said, no evangel can be formulated. The new birth is not an evangel in any sense. It makes a demand he has no means of meeting.
     For one like Nicodemus, expecting to enter the kingdom by physical generation, it would be quite a blow to demand spiritual regeneration. Men are utterly helpless in regard to their physical generation. They can do no more to accomplish their spiritual regeneration. It is the sovereign work of God's spirit.
     Searching as the figure is, it does not probe nearly so deeply into human helplessness as the truth for the present economy of God's grace. Now, if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation (2 Co.5:17). In spirit, we skip the era of the kingdom, the renascence, and enter the new creation, over a thousand years later. A new birth will fit them for a life on earth during the millennial eon. The new creation fits us for our celestial destiny. They will receive a rejuvenation of the faculties, we will be changed at the resurrection and receive powers and capacities far beyond our present possibilities. Regeneration keeps company with repentance and baptism. The new creation accompanies the dispensation of the conciliation (2Co.5:18)." (Concordant Commentary pg.143)
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Hello, My name is Chris and I was born and raised in Lancaster, Pa. (yes, Amish country) My background is Anabaptist on both sides and for the first 30 years of my life, I ran from Jesus and rejected my Christian upbringing. I committed my life to Christ after my first visit to a Laodicean/Sardis type Church and after a few years of struggling in fleshly works, finally began to seek the Holy Spirit. After about 9 months, I had an encounter with the Holy Spirit and have been consumed with a desire to know YHWH in every way possible. My wife and I felt lead to leave our carnal church to receive spiritual wisdom and guidance just over a year ago and have been on a path unlike any we ever experienced before...Now I am at a place of continuing to unlearn false doctrine and rebuild my foundation on the Lord Jesus Christ alone, the only sure foundation and not man's doctrine. I found this website by daily online search of deep Biblical topics, trusting the Holy Spirit to guide me.
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Humor-Poems-Songs-Movies / Re: Can you draw this picture?
« Last post by Tom on October 01, 2014, 07:30:45 PM »
...funny stuff. I think kids raised in the country with lots of animals find out about begettin when they're young. 
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