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Lounge / Re: Cheers to the revival of the Tentmaker forum
« Last post by micah7:9 on January 26, 2015, 04:46:24 PM »
Praise His Name! I woke up, went to TM and said ahhhhhhhh your still here :dsunny: :happyclap: :happyclap: :trampoline:
Hellbusters Hallow / Re: Heaven, Yes...Hell, No
« Last post by micah7:9 on January 26, 2015, 04:41:10 PM »
Excellent. And specially the info on Samuel. :dsunny:

Thanks joeteekay for your input.
I wish I knew how to respond.   :dontknow:
Since I don't I will just continue to post snippets.  :-)

#1. A snippet from Universalism the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian
Church During its First Five Hundred Years, by J. W. Hanson, 1899:

(Origen Adamantius)
"This greatest of all Christian apologists and exegetes was a distinctive Universalist. He could not have misunderstood or misinterpreted the teachings of his Master. The language of the New Testament was his mother tongue. He derived the teachings of Christ from Christ himself in a direct line through his teacher Clement; and he placed the defense of Christianity on Universalist grounds.
When Celsus, in his "True Discourse", the first great assault on Christianity, objected to Christianity on the ground that it taught punishment by fire, Origen replied that the threatened fire possessed a disciplinary, purifying quality that will consume in the sinner whatever evil material it can find to consume….God will act the part….Origen says, "not like a cook but like a God who is a benefactor of those who stand in need of discipline of fire.""
Lounge / Re: Cheers to the revival of the Tentmaker forum
« Last post by micah7:9 on January 26, 2015, 05:27:05 AM »
Well I will be praying and hope my patience will gather more if needed. This small test of being away from friends is trying(at least to me), I am praying that a lot of my thoughts which I, considered to be pretty much solid, what ever they were, thanks to this absence may well have been disturbed. Other than that, I am very glad our communication hopefully is back on line. He Is Risen! :dsunny:
Lounge / Re: Cheers to the revival of the Tentmaker forum
« Last post by TechHelp on January 26, 2015, 05:05:30 AM »
Hi everyone,

We have turned the forum back on in the hopes that the changes the hosting company finally agreed on would handle the Tentmaker sites in a stable way.

The core issue is, I believe, a change they made in the configuration of the server when they replaced the hard drives. The troubles all started after that  hardware update.
If you've never prayed for the health of a web server before, maybe now would be an appropriate time.

Thank you for your patience. It has been a long ordeal with this server problem, and we are not sure it is over yet, since a couple of incidents in the last two days involved more generalized issues on the main server, which resulted in problems on Tentmaker's part of the server.

So, we will watch and see how things go.



Lounge / Re: Cheers to the revival of the Tentmaker forum
« Last post by jabcat on January 26, 2015, 04:32:33 AM »
I don't really know for sure, but Gary did say they were possibly switching servers.  Heard nothing since.  Just been watching like everyone else.  :)
Lounge / Re: Cheers to the revival of the Tentmaker forum
« Last post by Lazarus Short on January 26, 2015, 04:22:04 AM »
What were the core issues?  :dunno2:
Lounge / Re: Cheers to the revival of the Tentmaker forum
« Last post by Seth on January 26, 2015, 04:08:50 AM »
It's been so long. Did the core issues get worked out?
Hellbusters Hallow / Re: Heaven, Yes...Hell, No
« Last post by Lazarus Short on January 26, 2015, 03:59:20 AM »

I Samuel, chapters 1 – 2
The Song of Hannah tells us in 2:6, "The Lord killeth, and maketh alive; he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up."  Here is one of many examples of Hebrew parallelism, and "killeth" lines up with "bringeth down to the grave."  "Grave" here is that word "sheol" again, so often (mis)translated as "Hell," but don't you see that hell = grave?  Note that sheol or the grave is as far as God brings down, not further down to some literal or metaphysical Hell.  Note also the parallel "maketh alive" and "bringeth up," and this is an early hint of the coming resurrection.

Later in the chapter, God tells Levi the fate of his two evil sons:  death – as usual, just death.

Chapters 3 – 7
4,000 of Israel fall in battle, then 30,000.  The Ark is captured by the Philistines, and they pass it from city to city like a hot potato, many dying, and the rest cursed with hemorrhoids.  They send it back on a cart to Israel, but it is not treated with respect and 50,070 men die for looking into it.  On the other hand, the Philistines are smitten by God and Israel in battle, but the body count is not given.  Lots of death (just death) here.

Chapters 8 – 14
Saul becomes king, and defeats the Ammonites, with an army numbering 330,000 – an army much smaller than that which conquered the Land of Promise some centuries before.  The Philistines and other peoples are also warred against, with death the only risk mentioned.

Chapter 15
Saul musters his army to fight Amalek, but now it only numbers 200,000, plus 10,000 men of Judah, down from the 300,000 plus 30,000 of Judah which showed up to fight Ammon.  We can only wonder, for the ancient writer does not elaborate.  The Amalekites are wiped out, and even for these evil people, Hell is not mentioned.
Chapters 16 – 24
David kills Goliath and lots of other Philistines are killed in battle, but there is no body count or mention of Hell for them.

Later, the priests of Nob are killed along with their families.  Nothing is said of these righteous, innocent people going to Heaven or Hell.  David is pursued by Saul in plot after plot, but there is no hint that any danger but simple death faced him or his men.

Chapter 25
Nabal dies (25:38), "…the Lord smote Nabal, that he died."  As ever, simple death.

Chapter 26
(26:16) "As the Lord liveth, ye are worthy to die…"  There is none of that "Go to Hell" phrasing so common in modern epithets.
Chapter 27
David and his men, in service to the king of Gath, engage in extermination of some of the people Israel was charged to drive out.  No fate for them after death is given.

Chapter 28
Saul consults a witch to bring up Samuel, but was it really Samuel?  Remember that Samuel was dead, and that his body was decomposing in the grave, his spirit had returned to God (who gave it), and his soul no longer existed.  We must view this incident as a deception – the witch, Saul, and even the one who wrote the account - all seem to believe Samuel had been brought up.  I know that the ancients believed in shades, ghosts, and the like, but I view them as the manifestations of demons.  Think – did the witch, or her familiar spirit, or demons have the power to make the dead speak?  I must say, no.  God did, and I don't care to limit Him, but I am not about to say that God resurrected Samuel for a few minutes to chide Saul, just to deliver much the same message He had given to Saul before.  Anyway, the text had already stated that God was not answering Saul, so why would God cooperate with a witch?  I am just not going there – Saul had stepped into forbidden territory, and got information demons might have been well aware of.  A real Samuel takes us into dangerous theological waters, and contradicts what God tells us elsewhere in His word.

Chapters 29 – 31
David and his men kill more Amalekites - Saul, his sons, and his army are wiped out by the Philistines.  As ever, all receive simple death.

Hell, then, is not to be found in the book of I Samuel.
Lounge / Re: Cheers to the revival of the Tentmaker forum
« Last post by Lazarus Short on January 26, 2015, 03:55:02 AM »
This makes Laz very happy!  Life has been too secular w/o the Tent.  This is like coming home after a long trip.  Now I can post my comments on I Samuel.
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