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Here is an example of Enumah from the Psalm 32 that Paul quotes in Romans 4:

Psalm 32
1Blessed is the one
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
2Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord does not count against them
and in whose spirit is no deceit.

3When I kept silent,
my bones wasted away
through my groaning all day long.
4For day and night
your hand was heavy on me;
my strength was sapped
as in the heat of summer.b

5Then I acknowledged my sin to you
and did not cover up my iniquity.
I said, "I will confess
my transgressions to the Lord."
And you forgave
the guilt of my sin.

6Therefore let all the faithful pray to you
while you may be found;
surely the rising of the mighty waters
will not reach them.

7You are my hiding place;
you will protect me from trouble
and surround me with songs of deliverance.
8I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go;
I will counsel you with my loving eye on you.

9Do not be like the horse or the mule,
which have no understanding
but must be controlled by bit and bridle
or they will not come to you.

10Many are the woes of the wicked,
but the Lord's unfailing love
surrounds the one who trusts in him.
11Rejoice in the Lord and be glad, you righteous;
sing, all you who are upright in heart!

Paul's use of this Psalm in Romans 4 makes it clear to me that he is emphasizing, to the legalistic crowd, that when someone puts their trust in Christ all their sins are forgiven. Obviously, if your past sins are forgiven, you stand upright, a clean slate, righteous. But, being a Jew he did not separate faith from the walk of deliverance, which is what enumah is, as opposed to our Western view of belief.

The enumah concept is ALL OVER that psalm. Confession leads to forgiveness, but the truly faithful will have an upright heart and a spirit without deceit and is not like the horse or mule which must be controlled by bit or bridle.

This is why James talked about faith and works (not works of the Law) as being inseparable, faith dead without love. The Hebrew understanding didn't divide obedience and faith. That psalm that Paul is quoting doesn't separate them either. In fact, that psalm diminishes the "bit and bridle" aspect of obedience, while emphasizing obedience being the natural outcome of a change of heart.
I've come to full preterism by way of UR, not to say I'm in strict agreement with any doctrines or denominations formed by them but they are about the closest labels I know of that directly explain my beliefs.

As with the eternal torment and hell language, there seems to be a lot of misunderstood or misinterpreted concepts with the prophecies.

For those who want to know more about preterism in general, "The Parousia" by J. Stuart Russell is a good starting point. I don't agree with all of his assertions but he makes a very good case for the 70 AD timeframe. He had some remarkable views and exhaustive research considering this book is from the 1870s.

The book can be found for free online and there's an overview of the book on tentmaker here (which may be all you need as the book itself is 600+ pages):
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: question
« Last post by Seth on June 30, 2015, 10:13:47 PM »
I think we could all agree that, regardless of how each of us may understand this, that only those who put their faith in Christ are justified.
« Last post by fire walker on June 30, 2015, 10:00:15 PM »
isn't the silver cord the umbilical cord that connects the spirit that God gives us to our physical bodies?

Fire Walker
 :dsunny: :dsunny:
:angelharp: :angelharp: :cloud9: Yes, this probably does mean we have too much time on our hands, but that is an excellent question anyway. Never thought about it, but I feel an unction to think on it in my spirit. I have to say no, not until after Satan paid them a visit, but I'll have to wait on the Spirit to tell me why. The umbilical cord is a "key" if you will of some other Truth He showed me, but I'll have to let Him add to that with this. Good point though......Blessings to you......
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello
« Last post by Bannister on June 30, 2015, 09:51:55 PM »
Thanks for all the welcomes. I've been reading over some of the articles on the site and it seems Gary holds very similar views as I've come to know.

"So You don't want to go to Church Any-more".

This is one of the first books I read that led me on the path I've been on and one of my favorites. I also utilized a lot of Wayne Jacobsen's material to help in this journey.
Christ consciousness.
The best use of our mind is to be conscious of Christ and take pleasure in knowing Jesus ,did what we could not do.( for us )
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: question
« Last post by sheila on June 30, 2015, 09:37:30 PM »
well,I'm still trying to figure out how I got the aspersion of being UU placed on my head? :dontknow:

  I've went back and read my posts..and I don't see it.
What we believe affects what we do, how we think, and most importantly, I think, opens the door for God to come in.

"It is God who is in you to will and to work of His good pleasure."

"Christ in you, the hope of glory"

"He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus."

Good point ew,

What you identify with makes a big difference on what we do and how we think.

I often hear Christians say that they are sinners...........but Paul wrote the saints.

Sin conscious and identifying with sin or Christ consciousness and identifying with His righteousness. Christ or Adam.

God did not create man in sin, but the law of sin is always in our members.  Identifying with the created man, who seeks God, was created by God, and finds his home in God is the man that we identify with.  Lost Adam is found, cleaned up, and made a saint, in Christ.......holy and without blame.



"In 1Tim. 4:9-11 we are told that the living God 'is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe,' and with this 1Tim. 2: 4-6 concurs. Many seek to limit it to believers, but they overlook the significance of the double statement. That there is a special salvation for believers is plainly stated, but this does not limit the other part of the statement, rather does it emphasize it. The salvation of believers is a special work; they are a special class in the 'all mankind.' God's will for mankind is salvation, not as an experimental salvation toying with the will and choice of men, but as their Disposer God.

My dear brethren, let us embrace this glorious truth which God has revealed for us. Let it so become a part of us that our lives will be reflecting it. Let it fill our hearts with the love of God and His glorious Son. Let us be rendering praise to the living God, the universal Creator and Reconciler, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
'To Him be glory for the eons! Amen!' "

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: question
« Last post by Dandelion on June 30, 2015, 06:32:07 AM »
I agree with jabcat and eaglesway.  :iagree:

In everything, there needs to be some boundaries. Without limits, we destroy the essence of what is established as necessary, for the concept, situation, etc. to be functional and fulfill the role it was meant to.

Another one of my analogies.....if you have a fan you want to plug into the electric socket, and the outlet is dead.....without doesn't matter how long you leave the plug there, what you do to the fan, and so on.  The fan will never work, in that socket. If you don't plug it into the socket, with the electricity, the fan will stay still, forever.

The same is true of us. Without Jesus, we are nothing. There is no 'source of power' in any of the other faiths, because Jesus has saved us, and made us a new creation. He alone has come from the Father, and sent us the Holy Spirit. Emmanuel......God is with us. 

Jesus is the Light.....without Him, all is darkness. There is no other Light. 

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