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Christian Life / Re: Wheat and Tares
« Last post by Seth on July 21, 2014, 07:56:23 PM »
I'm also reminded of how Paul said he was given so many revelations that God sent a messenger of Satan to buffet his flesh and keep him humble. So, when Peter says "for the time has come for judgment to begin with the house of God" he does so in the context of how "tares" mistreat the "wheat." For when God's judgments are in the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness.

God's method for the judgment of the church is to humble them, and teach them how to be patient and forgive their enemies, and teach them to be like Christ by giving them trials.

So, by uprooting the tares too early, it also uproots the very method by which God judges believers and teaches them righteousness.
Book of Revelation / Re: False Israel
« Last post by marie glen on July 21, 2014, 07:52:47 PM »
Jesus told Jerusalem "you will not see me again until you say `blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD"

it is of course God's design that Israel fell away so the gentile nations would be brought in

"and what shall they're being brought in be? but life from the dead, is so be their falling away has made us rich" (very poorly paraphrased, sorry!)

"when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies.."

"and they gathered to armegeddom.."

"Those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed.."

"I will gather the nations.. in the valley of decision.."

"all Israel will be saved.."

Also at teh end of rev 12, which begins with the mantle of truth being upon Israel's shoulders.. then it is Christianity and its tow major (for the most part) migrations of the faith.. then at the end of the chapter.. the focus is back upon Israel, who have the commandments of God and (by then? see 1st verse above) also the testimony of Jesus"... all according to God's plan..

Israel as microcosm.. the world fell away, but it was God's design that it occurred.. gotta run!
Christian Life / Re: Wheat and Tares
« Last post by marie glen on July 21, 2014, 07:46:36 PM »
..also how cool when the earth no longer puts forth thistles, itch weed or poison ivy! so also, of course no more evil lurking in hearts..

But as to why the not pulling up of tares before Jesus' return? I've always thought of it as a gardener! When you have lots of weeds and pull them up, you do pull up some crop with them.. And God of course, loves His tender (growing but young) plants..
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello Everyone
« Last post by marie glen on July 21, 2014, 07:33:51 PM »
Welcome!!  :smile: :hiya:

I'm happy you're here!

"God is the savior of all, especially those which believe" 1 Tim 4:10

"All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, all families will worship before Him" Ps 22:27

"If I be lifted up from the earth" (on the cross! Jesus said) "I will draw all to me" John 12:32 (Italics in our Bible is added words by the translators.

It's amazing how the Word seems to take on a new slant when once UR is perceived in it!

God bless you!
Book of Revelation / Re: Pope Francis End Times
« Last post by sheila on July 21, 2014, 07:28:52 PM »
  worldwide christian persecution is on the rise. Isis gave ultimanium to christians in Syria and Iraq..leave,

  pay levy,convert or be killed.

   the president of the usa denies being a christian nation..speaks against any muslim 'prejudice' and the whole

 world is silent on what is taking place in christian persecution.

     Us military over inmideast denied having a bible..but forced to honour ramadan[can not drink coffee or drink

 eat in their vehicles on the road on way to work] they bend over backwards as not to offend Islam

 'sensibilities' while  remaining silent on human rights of christians.

   the NWO agenda is one world religion[vatican based]

....the general secular population is frankly sick to death of all the violence/discord/warring done over

 religious differences in the name of God. as well as those with an agenda to rule over their fellow man to

their harm.

     I know as a person of faith I am sick of it too.  Ultimately....the great and final move of the kingdom of

  darkness shall come to it's end  We who live in these days as this world falls down around them..and

 things go from bad to worse..can bring comfort to other's.  For the worsening conditins shall cause many

 to begin seeking Him with their whole heart.  of course false gospel preachers will be there also selling

 their religion...but when people seek Him with their whole heart and repent..He shall deliver them from

 the great deception that blinds the world.

      the time of the great harvest quickly comes ...and this 'promised coming of the Lord" that scoffers have

  ridiculed for centuries.       

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: God's Will
« Last post by marie glen on July 21, 2014, 07:17:02 PM »
Absolutely! .."lest any should boast!" ...all His will,. His choosing, His election..

..and all His doing..!!
Christian Life / Re: 'In Christ'...How?
« Last post by jabcat on July 21, 2014, 07:14:31 PM »
"therefor if anyone is IN Christ Jesus he is a new creation..."  2 Cor. 5:17
Christian Life / Re: 'In Christ'...How?
« Last post by jabcat on July 21, 2014, 07:12:45 PM »
Obviously a wonderful passage (they all are :).  However, as John also indicated elsewhere a few days ago in another thread, I also believe it's one that has a TON of context around it to consider, to put it in proper perspective rather than just totally "stand on its own";  things like 'not all are of the faith', some are 'children of the devil', there are 'haters of God', those 'without God and without hope in this world..';  many about how to be in Christ (the spiritual new birth) by grace through faith (all His free gift through what He did on the cross), receiving Him in faith, etc., etc.

To me, "all his children" means He is God of all, Creator, in control, has the final say, has laid claim to all (satan will win none), all have a spirit which brings natural life that came from Him, breathed life into the nostrils of all (it's all His air), etc...IMO, most of His creation (His natural children) still must be drawn and given faith to believe on Him as Savior (be saved), and the few are called and chosen now (only through grace and HIS decision)...for every knee must bow and every tongue confess Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father.  Also that's "our job", telling others (and showing through our relationship with Him and out of love) that He IS the Savior of he world, the perfect Sacrifice, through Him we may be saved - to call on Him and "be ye reconciled to God" as Paul said (the "ministry of reconciliation" 2 Cor 5:18). 

God is good.
Christian Life / Re: 'In Christ'...How?
« Last post by rosered on July 21, 2014, 06:25:52 PM »
  Yes, an excellent  passage !! :thumbsup:
Christian Life / Re: 'In Christ'...How?
« Last post by micah7:9 on July 21, 2014, 06:18:47 PM »
Yes  :dsunny:
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