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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Last post by lomarah on October 19, 2014, 04:35:31 PM »
I, for one, cannot wait to hug a lion. (Seriously.)

I have heard so many stories of people seeing what life will be like after He makes an end of sin and it pretty much always includes animals, and almost always at least one (tame) lion! I don't know why but I have just always wanted to snuggle up to a lion.

(I have also always hoped for no mosquitos, spiders, ticks, and other creepy things to be around for eternity but whatever He's got planned I'm sure it's all good.  :winkgrin:  )
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Last post by Tom on October 19, 2014, 04:16:17 PM »
The universe is the manifestation of the power of God from the largest star in outer space to the smallest atom. God is spirit. Life is the activity of spirit. God is who all came out of; God is who is operating all through his will; and God is who all will eventually return into. I think the most comprehensive statement in the inspired written word of God is Romans 11:36 because it says exactly that. See the attachment.
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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #33

FROM RICHARD CONDON'S GOD'S TRUTH FOR TODAY ARCHIVES
THE MAIN LIBRARY AND IN THE GARDEN
http://web.archive.org/web/20110713224225/http://gtft.org/

This is a link to a large library of writings by many believers in universal salvation.
I think the sub-section called IN THE GARDEN is especially good.
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Perhaps not reconcile, but set free might be a better term with regard to the entire creation, as separate from mankind. Creation...whatever may encompass that, will share the freedom of God's children, which of course is speaking about humans.

(Rom 8:19)  For the creation is eagerly awaiting the revelation of God's children,

(Rom 8:20)  because the creation has become subject to futility, though not by anything it did. The one who subjected it did so in the certainty

(Rom 8:21)  that the creation itself would also be set free from corrupting bondage in order to share the glorious freedom of God's children.

Ronen
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Last post by jabcat on October 19, 2014, 08:08:47 AM »
Let's try this, Jesus is the Saviour of the world and it is good and acceptable before God that all men will be saved, so all men will be saved, so there is no unpardonable sin, all sin will be forgiven. Now most certainly all who have sinned will be brought through the fire, refined, and purified. For we know that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
1Co 12:3  wherefore, I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking, saith Jesus is anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus is Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.

Rest in Him........ :dsunny:

 :thumbsup:

don't you try too hard to make it on your own strength
that's why Jesus died for you
it's a fight for sure but those who will endure
are those who have learned to trust in Him

you just take a rest in His arms
you just take a rest in His arms
when you trust in Him the world can do no harm
you just take a rest in His arms

we're saved by grace and that not of ourselves
lest anyone of us should boast
it took Jesus' death on Calvary
so why not trust in Him to save your soul

you just take a rest in His arms
you just take a rest in His arms
when you trust in Him the world can do no harm
you just take a rest in His arms

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Really ain't bothered by all the if's and such. ALL is all, and as I said my  :2c: whether the all incorporates, skeeters, wasps, flies, grubs, etc. When we start thinking like this I..my opinion...we start showing our bottom. Either way, ALL is ALL, I'll let the the "what" up to the Creator. :dsunny:

 :thumbsup:
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Last post by dajomaco on October 19, 2014, 07:54:59 AM »
 :iagree:

Resting your heart in Grace
Makes it softer.
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Last post by micah7:9 on October 19, 2014, 06:25:50 AM »
Let's try this, Jesus is the Saviour of the world and it is good and acceptable before God that all men will be saved, so all men will be saved, so there is no unpardonable sin, all sin will be forgiven. Now most certainly all who have sinned will be brought through the fire, refined, and purified. For we know that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
1Co 12:3  wherefore, I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking, saith Jesus is anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus is Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.

Rest in Him........ :dsunny:
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Last post by micah7:9 on October 19, 2014, 06:21:03 AM »
Really ain't bothered by all the if's and such. ALL is all, and as I said my  :2c: whether the all incorporates, skeeters, wasps, flies, grubs, etc. When we start thinking like this I..my opinion...we start showing our bottom. Either way, ALL is ALL, I'll let the the "what" up to the Creator. :dsunny:
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Last post by WhiteWings on October 19, 2014, 06:04:12 AM »
why does god hate???

The Bible says God is love.  Some UR believers say people like Hitler are just another of God's children gone astray, or that God orchestrated it and therefor by implication, that person really isn't "all that bad".  On the other hand, many people who speak against UR say God absolutely can punish people forever, because the Bible says He hates not only the sin, but also actually hates the sinner.

from www.doesgodhate.com

"Does God Hate Anyone?
The answer is an absolute yes.  God certainly hates people... you don't have to take my word for it.  Read the following verses and it's clear to see that God hates people.
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

So, does God hate the sin, but love the people?  Well, yes and no.  God does hate the sin, and he also hates the sinner.  See how the Bible states that [God hates] all who do iniquity.  It doesn't say that God hates all the iniquity that people do... it clearly states that God hates the actual person who does the iniquity (sin)." - www.doesgodhate.com

i keep trying to stay convinced he is love and only wants all to be saved but this seems to say otherwise  ..... how can he say love enemies but hate his own???
None of those verses state how long God hates.
None of those verses states how long punishes the ones He hates.
The answer is that God hate ends soon. The prove can also be found in Psalms.
There are main verses in Psalms praising the mercy of God.
At least part of those mercies are about God re-embracing sinners (under punishment).

God sent His Son to redeem the world. Why would He bother doing that if He hates the whole world? Yeah, He must hate all creation because Romans 3:23 clearly stated all are sinners. It's useless to send Jesus to only save people that haven't sinned. Besides there aren't such people they don't need salvation.
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