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Christian Life / Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Last post by marie glen on July 29, 2015, 06:01:53 AM »

.... My own personal belief is that the language of God, rather than being any particular human language, is Spirit, and where this Spirit inspires, that language becomes spiritual, whether it be Hebrew, Greek, English or Tagalog.

..it's the Spirit which gives us the right slant.. in whatever language.. and digging into the language(s) is to come up with "treasure new and old"..


....again referring to something WW said, I don't think you can divorce the Greek of the NT from the Hebrew minds behind it.


   :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:  Amen! That certainly has to be true!
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Christian Life / Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Last post by marie glen on July 29, 2015, 05:52:37 AM »
The two richest languages!  :HeartThrob:

P.S - yes interesting link, thanks! Especially these quotes

"Papias (150-170 CE) - Matthew composed the words in the Hebrew dialect, and each translated as he was able. [A quote by Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 3:39]

Ireneus (170 CE) - Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect. [Against Heresies 3:1]

Origen (210 CE) - The first [Gospel] is written according to Matthew, the same that was once a tax collector, but afterwards an apoltle of Jesus Christ who having published it for the Jewish believers, wrote it in Hebrew. [A quote by Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 6:25]

Eusebius (315 CE) - Matthew also, having first proclaimed the Gospel in Hebrew, when on the point of going also to the other nations, committed it to writing in his native tongue, and thus supplied the want of his presence to them by his writings. [Eccl. Hist. 3:24]"

...Matthew almost certainly, it seems, was likely written in Hebrew (Israeli dialect of Aramaic) as he sure seems to be writing to people of his own nation of Israel..
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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Relatively New to UR
« Last post by Dandelion on July 29, 2015, 05:44:04 AM »
Hello johny,

Welcome! I hope you find this to be as much of a spiritual home, as I have.

Whow, New Zealand! I am originally from the Bronx, New York.

 :welcome:        :newb:
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FORUM GUIDELINES and Admin Posts / Re: FORUM MAINTENANCE
« Last post by jabcat on July 29, 2015, 05:36:34 AM »
Thanks, Karen, for all of your efforts and hard work!



       :bgdance:               :hithere:                 :reachout:               :Gclap:   

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Christian Life / Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Last post by joeteekay on July 29, 2015, 05:28:52 AM »
http://www.modestapparelchristianclothinglydiaofpurpledressescustomsewing.com/new_testament_written_in_Hebrew.htm
http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/new-testament-was-orginally?commentId=1451550%3AComment%3A1344965&xg_source=activity
http://www.remnantofyhwh.com/Hebrew%20The%20Purel%20Language.htm

Etc.
Personally I would find it logical. Hebrew also has much more depth to hide little gems.

I didn't follow the links..  :smile: but i think this is a great topic, and I agree very logical, and yes, adds such depth to God's Word! I wonder what do you think about Paul's letters when written to a Gentile church? Hellenistic and Greek.. Do you think those were likely written in Greek or in Hebrew?

I wonder if there were Hebrew and Greek gospels circulating after a while? (shortly after the first gospels were written very likely in Hebrew).. Luke was a Gentile I guess so I wonder about his gospel?

Maybe this is covered in this thread already! :faint:


Interesting topic. New testament originally in Hebrew or Greek??  Is there an authoritative answer?
BTW two of the links do not work Marie. Only this one which I found extremely helpful.

http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/new-testament-was-orginally?commentId=1451550%3AComment%3A1344965&xg_source=activity

IMO Greek I believe is the originally inspired language of the NT.  I know, I know some disagree. Fine.

Greek is such a precise language that I believe God used it for the NT. Just an opinion. Just look at the 3 different meanings of the word love in the Greek. And I do agree with the connection to the Hebrew because the apostles knew both (maybe more) languages. Hebrew authors were writing Hebrew ideas in Greek words

Can we know for sure?  :dontknow:
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FORUM GUIDELINES and Admin Posts / Re: FORUM MAINTENANCE
« Last post by Dandelion on July 29, 2015, 05:25:24 AM »
Thanks, Karen, for all of your efforts and hard work!



       :bgdance:               :hithere:                 :reachout:               :Gclap:   
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Christian Life / Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Last post by Shev on July 29, 2015, 05:02:44 AM »
http://www.modestapparelchristianclothinglydiaofpurpledressescustomsewing.com/new_testament_written_in_Hebrew.htm
http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/new-testament-was-orginally?commentId=1451550%3AComment%3A1344965&xg_source=activity
http://www.remnantofyhwh.com/Hebrew%20The%20Purel%20Language.htm

Etc.
Personally I would find it logical. Hebrew also has much more depth to hide little gems.

I didn't follow the links..  :smile: but i think this is a great topic, and I agree very logical, and yes, adds such depth to God's Word! I wonder what do you think about Paul's letters when written to a Gentile church? Hellenistic and Greek.. Do you think those were likely written in Greek or in Hebrew?

I wonder if there were Hebrew and Greek gospels circulating after a while? (shortly after the first gospels were written very likely in Hebrew).. Luke was a Gentile I guess so I wonder about his gospel?

Maybe this is covered in this thread already! :faint:

Paul's letters would very likely have been written in Greek, as he was writing to churches all over the world of Jew and Gentiles, and Greek was the common tongue. It would have made no sense to write an epistle to the believers in Corinth in Hebrew, for example.

That all being said, WW is certainly right in saying that most of the writers were Hebrew (and most of the scenes with Jesus were with Hebrew or Aramaic as the spoken language), so a Hebrew mindset is being expressed into Greek. The only writer who almost certainly has Greek as his mother tongue would appear to be Luke, who in Luke and Acts is regarded as writing in a very skilled manner.

I think it is the sort of question everyone is going to see from their own perspective, but there are interesting things to consider from the Greek side. For instance, the alliteration in Romans 1:31:

ἀσυνέτους ἀσυνθέτους ἀστόργους (asunetous, asunthetous, astorgous)

This comes in the midst of a long list of fleshly character traits. If Romans had been written in Hebrew, it would have been the most tremendous coincidence for these words to match so closely. Nor is this by any means the only place where this kind of word play occurs.

The issue of original composition is not an open and shut case, but I for one really enjoy what those with deep knowledge of Hebrew like WW and Gregory bring to the table. If anyone is interested in links that are in favor of Greek being the original language, let me know.

My own personal belief is that the language of God, rather than being any particular human language, is Spirit, and where this Spirit inspires, that language becomes spiritual, whether it be Hebrew, Greek, English or Tagalog. That being said, I also believe God created the languages for specific purposes, and the reason I believe that God created Greek for the gospel going forth, is that it offers a lot of precision that is very important when matters of doctrine arise. However, again referring to something WW said, I don't think you can divorce the Greek of the NT from the Hebrew minds behind it.
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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Relatively New to UR
« Last post by joeteekay on July 29, 2015, 03:38:28 AM »
There is peace, joy, love and learning in God's tent.  :Peace2:
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I read thru the thread [OK, OK, I skimmed] and am thinking of the line from Tommy by the Who:

"You've been told many times before, messiahs pointed to the door, but no one had the guts to leave the temple."

I mean to say that people need to step out of their theological [theo-illogical] boxes...
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Lounge / Re: 1 Corinthians 14:33
« Last post by Lazarus Short on July 29, 2015, 03:27:02 AM »
I believe He has (of course?) done all things just the way He has in order to bring about the very best of all outcomes and 'end' results.

That would include, among other things, the inability of any one to boast.
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