Hi Charlie. You may find this useful;Just so I may have it clear from the moderators:
excerpt - "While we, at Tentmaker Ministries are glad Carlton Pearson has abandoned the traditional belief that most people are going to endlessly burn in Hell, we do not hold to some key positions which seem to come from Carlton Pearson's teachings. We do NOT believe all mankind is presently saved. To enter Christ's Body, one must be born from above. Most people will NOT be born from above in this lifetime. We, who have been given salvation should be sharing that salvation through the fruit in our lives by being joined to Christ. If God wanted to save the entire planet today, He easily could. But He has a plan. In that plan, salvation is extended to people in an order, that order extends beyond our present age. There is a liberality among those who teach the Doctrine of Inclusion which violates a whole host of Scriptures dealing with restraining the body with its lusts. Some teach there is no more such thing as sin. We believe in Holiness, not necessarily the Holiness Pentecostal form of heavy legalism, but we believe God holds us accountable to living a moral and orderly life." - Gary Amirault, Tentmaker Ministries"
Is someone discouraged, or not allowed, to share the victory of Yeshua for all if he or she believes that Yeshua is the savior or all, meaning that all have been saved or delivered from what the first Adam brought into the world, but still need to be saved experientially by belief in Yeshua, which Paul referred to as 'especially of believers?
Sort of the same as when Paul wrote that elders who preside in an ideal way were worthy of double honor, which means that all of them were included in this double honor, but among them was another group of those especially due this honor, those who presided with much toiling and labor in the word and teaching. All included, yet a distinction among them.
The Eastern church, which has always held to this inclusive teaching, does not teach the implications that Carlton Pearson appears to hold to. There is still sin in our members, whether one is a believer or not. Sin still does exist, although inactivated for those who live by His faith and not by works of law. I bring this particular point up because of what I read in your quote.
If you could please clarify so that unwanted posts do not continue to appear.
I think (for me) to try to answer every nuance of the possible discussion would be way beyond what I'll try to provide as a very simple answer. I think the basic clarification is the belief and stance that Christ died for all, but not all are as yet in the faith. Many are still lost, need to realize they need the Savior, and need to hear "believe and confess and you will be saved". As with many things, to simply say "all are already saved" can be misleading, and leave out much of the gospel. So often clarification is needed if not initially provided - i.e., that TM isn't a Unitarian Universalist site "all roads/believe what you will because Jesus (or "the Divine" etc.) has already taken care of it, etc.". Not that that's what anyone typically says here, or that the OP seemed to be suggesting, but again, perception, message, possible interpretations one might glean - therefor the clarification. I wrote this quickly so I hope it makes sense and helps. James.
Yes, and for anyone to say that God reconciled all to himself in his Son on the cross can also be misleading, if that is all that is shared. And that is the purpose of discussing these things on this board, I would think, because I know when I first shared what I believed I think it was assumed that I did not believe that belief, repentance, and faith in Yeshua was necessary, since 'he did it all', which is a false doctrine.
Perhaps it could be a good thing, for clarification, as you mentioned, for some of these things to be shared. Anyone would quickly be able to tell whether someone ends up advocating those false things, and then those could be dealt with. I just hope we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater over semantics.