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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Last post by Tom on Today at 12:11:01 AM »
I agree.
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Christian Life / Re: Jesus receiving the Holy Spirit without measure
« Last post by Tom on Today at 12:08:09 AM »
I think folks resurrected back then all died again. There's a difference between being resurrected and vivified or immortalized. Only Christ has been immortalized so far (1 Timothy 6:16). Believers are next when Christ meets us in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17), and unbelievers will be vivified at the consummation of the eons when death is abolished (1 Corinthians 15:26). Most believers think, when you die, you go right to heaven or hell because the church adopted Plato's philosophy of immortality of the soul, but scripture says souls die (Ezekiel 18:4,20). That lie originally came from the serpent in the garden (Genesis 3:4). I think the judging of the twelve tribes of Israel will happen in the renascence or regeneration in the future because those to whom Christ spoke are dead now.

"Yet Jesus said to them, "Verily, I am saying to you, that you who follow Me, in the renascence whenever the Son of Mankind should be seated on the throne of His glory, you also shall sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."" (Matthew 19:28)

The same Greek word "paliggenesias" used for renascence there is used again in Titus though.

"Yet when the kindness and fondness for humanity of our Saviour, God, made its advent, not for works which are wrought in righteousness which we do, but according to His mercy, He saves us, through the bath of renascence and renewal of holy spirit, which He pours out on us richly through Jesus Christ, our Saviour, that, being justified in that One's grace, we may be becoming enjoyers, in expectation, of the allotment of life eonian." (Titus 3:5-7)
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Welcome, Chris.  :thumbsup:
I was born in Baptist country (S. Mississippi). Not Amish, but not much better, either - maybe worse.
I left the Baptist church last year.
Like Tom Said,
It took me some time to go through church withdrawal too, and, like you, I was guided by holy spirit to a website about universal reconciliation that changed my life.
I have been judged, condemned, unfriended, scolded, put down upon, talked about, and jabbed.
But it is all worth it.
I am now closer to the Lord than ever before, and I have gained much truth - relative to where I was (of course, I by NO means claim to be all-knowing or wise).
It is difficult to let go of religion and grasp the truth of Yahweh and his Word.
The Spirit has led me along the pathway, and I will NEVER go back to the darkness :eek: of eternal torment doctrine again! :declare:

JBerton
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Last post by dajomaco on October 01, 2014, 11:38:33 PM »
does the second death and the correction we get include apostates too????? if he truly wants to restore us all doe sit also include those who have fallen so badly?????

Only a much Loved child of God would ask these questions.
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   Greetings and salutations Grace upon Grace !!! :welcome:
 
   Chris  ,  I hope you enjoy your time here at the Tentmaker   site and forum  ! 
 
Rose  :icon_flower:
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Christian Life / Re: Jesus receiving the Holy Spirit without measure
« Last post by rosered on October 01, 2014, 11:29:41 PM »

 Hi,     
 
  Back from visiting my grandson & daughter   come  to see us . :HeartThrob:
 
  Thanks    Tom and Eaglesway /John
 
  I am sorry Tom I read this but do not understand it  :mblush:   
 
  I need to read it  slowly and  more completely
 
   I always felt  the   twelve tribes of Israel are  being judged right now ?
 
  Because Jesus is  sitting on His Throne now  at the right hand of the Father  ?
 
   Matt 19   And Jesus said to them, 'Verily I say to you, that ye who did follow me, in the regeneration, when the Son of Man may sit upon a throne of his glory, shall sit -- ye also -- upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel;

  some agree its now in the  new realm      that is going on was we speak   and some say   it is yet to appear
 
  I dont    really    know exactly , But  my  faith as it   as its truth  now   and the regeneration is     happening   graves opened
 
  I Agree John that       when He   rose  up and    is the first-fruits of those who slept   Matt  27 ;52


King James Bible
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The tombs were also opened and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised.

International Standard Version
tombs were opened, and many saints who had died were brought back to life.

NET Bible
And tombs were opened, and the bodies of many saints who had died were raised.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Tombs were opened, and many bodies of the Saints who were sleeping arose.

GOD'S WORDŽ Translation
The tombs were opened, and the bodies of many holy people who had died came back to life.

Jubilee Bible 2000
and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who slept arose

King James 2000 Bible
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints that slept arose,

American King James Version
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

American Standard Version
and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints that had fallen asleep were raised;

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose,

Darby Bible Translation
and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints fallen asleep arose,

English Revised Version
and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints that had fallen asleep were raised;

Webster's Bible Translation
And the graves were opened, and many bodies of saints who slept, arose,

Weymouth New Testament
the tombs opened; and many of God's people who were asleep in death awoke.

World English Bible
The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;

Young's Literal Translation
and the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who have fallen asleep, arose,
 
   and Is now the Lord of the dead and the living   and Judging His  House      as the seals are opening
 
 I did   not realize that  this subject was   so  varied  different from one another  ? :mblush:
 
 
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Christian Life / Re: Jesus receiving the Holy Spirit without measure
« Last post by Tom on October 01, 2014, 10:56:35 PM »
Christ said we would be known by our love for one another (John 13:35). Some of us talked about peace and love back in the sixties, but I don't think some really understood the true source of that. Legal reefer came too late for me, but now I know you don't need it or any other enchantment to experience peace and love. It's not a matter of altered perception. It's a matter of faith. That's why I'm not concerned with debating various issues pertaining to scripture interpretation. I just enjoy being in the body of Christ because I know, even though we don't agree on everything, we really are all a family of loving living souls. 
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Marie Says
I think it will take some washing of the Holy Ghost to wash away all consciousness of shame..

I whole heartily agree. :iagree:
How can the Holy Spirit both take shame away from the believer and add to it.

Seth
I don't mind answering. First I would point you to the OT understanding of faith which is "faithfulness." Were Adam and Eve faithful? It's funny you brought that up. Notice that the Serpent didn't shame them. He encouraged them to do that which brought about shame.

He encouraged them to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil which by its very nature produces shame leading to death.


No it's sin that leads to death. The wages of shame is not death. The wages of sin is death.


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It was when they noticed their nakedness that they sought to be clothed. It was God who gave them better garments. According to Romans 7, what does the Law bring awareness of?
Death.

The Law brings an awareness of sin. Listening to the adversary is to listen to one who tempts. The Devil would never attempt to convict anyone of sin. He would be ahouse divided against itself.



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Marie Says
I think it will take some washing of the Holy Ghost to wash away all consciousness of shame..

I whole heartily agree. :iagree:
How can the Holy Spirit both take shame away from the believer and add to it.

Seth
I don't mind answering. First I would point you to the OT understanding of faith which is "faithfulness." Were Adam and Eve faithful? It's funny you brought that up. Notice that the Serpent didn't shame them. He encouraged them to do that which brought about shame.

He encouraged them to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil which by its very nature produces shame leading to death.


 It was when they noticed their nakedness that they sought to be clothed. It was God who gave them better garments. According to Romans 7, what does the Law bring awareness of?
Death.

I believe the Holy Spirit leads believers toward the tree of Life (the Cross).
The adversary wants to keep the believer in bondage to the tree and knowledge of Death.

 The very fact that Paul uses shame to encourage repentance reveals that it was done in older to KEEP them from being devoured by that lion.

 Be serious! Be alert! Your adversary the Devil is prowling around like a roaring lion, looking for anyone he can devour. 9 Resist him and be firm in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are being experienced by your fellow believers throughout the world.
10 Now the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ Jesus, will personally[f] restore, establish, strengthen, and support you after you have suffered a little.[g] 11 The dominion[h] belongs to Him forever. Amen.
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