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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: newbie
« Last post by marie glen on March 04, 2015, 10:30:26 PM »
Greetings! First time here learning how to maneuver this. I'm aj new to Tentmaket Ministries which is a Divine connection for me. It was an answer to prayer that if what I was thinking in reference to God, then lead me to information which would substantiate this in the word. I came across To me salvation for all; reconciliation of all is foundational to the nature, character and purpose of God. I see it everywhere in scripture NOW! I can't get away from it. Such a deception that Christians are quick to embrace eternal torment from a God who is love while being hesitant to see him as mighty to save all. Even loving enough to save all or powerful enough to undo what Adam did. I thank the Lord for the Spirit of wisdom and revelation resting upon us. I would rather err on the side of love (should I be in error, I don't believe I am) than stick to what I've been taught.

hello! you said that just awesomely! And I so totally agree!!  :smile: :smile:  :dsunny: Welcome to Tentmaker forums!
Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by sheila on March 04, 2015, 10:06:51 PM »
 :thumbsup:  Seth.  Personally I believe Jesus Christ takes away all the sin of the people. And that this will be testified to,in due time...

    by the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost....and even though this same testimony of the two wittnesses[word of God/Holy spirit].

.lie as dead in the street

    3 days,when the 'beast' kills them...that the spirit of God will enter the wittness'es testimony and cause them to stand on their feet

   and the upward call shall be heard.............first resurrection...
Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by Seth on March 04, 2015, 09:52:06 PM »
1 Cor 4
5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.  6Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

Now, if someone is going to say that someone else has accepted the mark of the beast by either having a cross, or embracing digital technology, I'd like to know, where is that written? Does Revelation say "the mark of the beast is the cross?" or, "the mark of the beast is a digital technology innovation?"

If not, then how can you determine the motives of the heart and go beyond what is written to judge your brothers by claiming that these personal  theories condemn them? Zender has a theory. That's all it is. It's not WRITTEN, so he cannot use his theory to draw a conclusion on the relationship between those people and Christ. My personal opinion.

Revelation provides enough mystery in its symbolism to invite others to make theories, and then to use those theories to make condemning remarks about other people. I think it's a test. That's why I cannot stand when people surmise that Obama is the anti-Christ. Obama is a real person, not a theory, and same with any other public figure. I just get so annoyed with this kind of accusatory stuff.

Christians do this all the time, sitting back in their armchairs at home wondering who has the mark of the beast, and who is the anti Christ, but they all share the same characteristic: it's never THEM. It's always someone else, never them. And yet Paul said for all the good he did, he didn't even know if it was from a clean motive, even though he had a clean conscience. He didn't even judge himself much less someone else, and certainly not on the theories of others.

Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by sheila on March 04, 2015, 09:24:58 PM »
Matt 6;25-34 for those who have anxious thoughts about their physical needs[and worrying needlessly over material things imo and

  mark of beast etc.]

   GOD WILLING  James 4;13   Now who say..'Today or tomorrow we will go this or that city,spend a year there,

  carry on buisiness,and make money. Why,you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? It is a mist

  that appears for a little while then vanishes.  You ought to say....IF IT IS THE LORD'S WILL WE WILL LIVE AND DO THIS OR


   Brother's do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it.

..................beware doing this....consigning your fellow man to LOF might find yourself a slanderer of celestial beings.
Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by Seth on March 04, 2015, 09:14:14 PM »
I think everything we need to know pertaining to life and godliness is already explained in plain language by the apostles. Believe in Jesus and love your neighbor. I think if you do that, God is pleased, I don't think we need to be looking around for modern technology to nab us in a technicality. You believed in Jesus and loved your neighbor, but you embraced digital technology? You're fired! I don't think it's like that. Believe in Jesus, love your neighbor, and God is pleased. He says so in his book.

Jesus didn't die to save man from technology. He came to save us from sin, and sin is defined clearly in the Bible. Technology is not lawlessness. In fact it can be used to help people who couldn't be helped before. That's why I believe the number of the beast is an indication of the inward part that resists those two commandments and is represented in Revelation as an outward mark, such as many things in Revelation I believe use outward symbols to express inward truths.
Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by Seth on March 04, 2015, 09:09:24 PM »
Yeah.... :laughing7:
Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by Jock on March 04, 2015, 09:07:40 PM »

I'm not worried about taking the mark of the beast off a cabbage!

 :Peace2: :Peace2:

Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by Seth on March 04, 2015, 08:54:24 PM »
Yeah but the Bible says that the mark will be not on the object by on the hand and forehead. The actual fruit doesn't have the mark on it. It doesn't say anything in Revelation 13 about the actual products having the mark. That's what I never understood about the barcode theory.
Judgement and Punishment / Re: Mark of the Beast 2
« Last post by Jock on March 04, 2015, 08:49:50 PM »

The grocery chains are wrapping fruit and veg with seran wrap and they all have a bar code
Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / Re: 1 Peter 4:18
« Last post by Seth on March 04, 2015, 08:46:27 PM »
I believe just how God used Babylon to judge Israel (rather than send a lightening bolt) the core elements of God's final judgement are present in the world already.
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