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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Where are you from?
« Last post by Lazarus Short on October 24, 2014, 07:41:21 PM »
I noticed this morning, and had seen it before, that this site has an address listed at the bottom of the main page.  It is 118 Walnut, Hermann, MO 65041.  A map search shows it to be a nice home outside town near a little lake.  Who lives there?
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: I am not UR
« Last post by JBerton on October 24, 2014, 07:32:11 PM »
On this forum, UR stands for universal reconciliation. 
Universal reconciliation is NOT what we are.
Universal reconciliation is what we believe.
I have never heard of a denomination called "Universal Reconciliation."
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Book of Revelation / Re: Liberation Theology
« Last post by Tom on October 24, 2014, 07:29:52 PM »
Do you think it's a heresy?  I do believe some oppression exists in the world, and the Bible verifies it.   Nonetheless, the scripture always asks people to "call on the Lord".   In other words, if people really sought God, then poverty and oppression would be far less.

Also, the images and ideas provoked by liberation theology are a joke.  I never saw that Jesus was some left wing warrior, anymore than he is some racist "white identity" one.

Of course, this all relates to revelation as some Christians think the west is Babylon etc..

Who cares about "heresy?" That's just something that doesn't conform to church doctrine while church doctrine doesn't conform to the word of God. This sounds like Prosperity Theology vs. Liberation Theology. I don't think God promises freedom from "poverty and oppression," but I don't agree with what you say here.

"people are oppressed, but God allows it, cause they won't turn to him"

I think some poor folks love God just as much if not more so than some rich folks. I don't think money is a measure of faith. I think believers should have compassion for the poor because of what the word of God says.

"For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your associate as yourself."" (Galatians 5:14)

I think the secular laws of some governments have been modeled after the divine laws in scripture, and governments with taxes from the people should help all the people not just the ones who can afford to pay the legislators to make certain laws to help them. But I don't think that's something you can really do as a church sanctioned operation even though government officials should have a sense of morality when doing so. Unfortunately money seems to be what really drives the legal process and government. So lots of poor folks probably won't get a break until this wicked eon is over. I'm not registered with the so called liberal party or the so called conservative party because I disagree with some things they both claim to stand for. But I will say that some folks who complain about welfare for the poor ignore the corporate welfare that I think is really keeping governments broke while the banks that caused the global economic fiasco recovered and prospered and lots of working folks lost their homes and still haven't found good jobs. This is all just the politics of human government though. Even the democratic republics that put down the idea of Liberation Theology for being too "Marxist" are themselves corrupt. I think the only righteous government will be when Christ comes back and subjects all the nations through Israel in the next eon.
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Christian Life / Re: Path of Truth
« Last post by Lazarus Short on October 24, 2014, 07:28:16 PM »
Path of Truth - an interesting site.  They make some sections difficult to read by using a dark red background, and why would they do that?  They dismiss massive edifices of theology in a brief paragraph, hardly identifying who they are dissing, and headings would have helped a lot.  They seem to want to keep oh so low key.  On the other hand, they post a huge list of names of false teachers, and some are amusing, some are maybe not justifiable.  They provide no explanation, so it's almost like, "Hey folks, they're all false teachers [but us]!"  I have a few misgivings about their statement of doctrine, but mostly it is solid. 

In regards to getting kicked out of the Tent, I know nothing about that, but note that they list Gary Amirault as a false teacher.  Ill think of them as the "Path of Sour Grapes." 
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Christian Life / Re: Path of Truth
« Last post by Tom on October 24, 2014, 05:52:40 PM »
It's an interesting site by Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk , who denounce ET and ED as well as many other doctrines while stating that God will save everyone, but the site also says that Christian Universalism, more specifically the articles we find here at tentmaker or at bible-truths, is also wrong because it claims that Christ has done all the work and we do not have to do anything, so to then the "false" Universalism is not Salvation.

They also complain that they were "kicked out of the Tent"

Thoughts?  :dontknow:

I don't know anything about these folks, but I think they're wrong if they say Christ's sacrifice wasn't enough.

"For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present, not of works, lest anyone should be boasting." (Ephesians 2:8,9)
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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hi There :-)
« Last post by Tom on October 24, 2014, 05:48:07 PM »
Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.

Ronny to Tom:
Another interesting part of this to me,is not only are we the ecclesia/church,the called out ones;but in the scripture,we are also described as the body of Jesus Christ,the temple of God. And if and when I choose to listen to them on TV,I can hear a number of preachers, preaching about what they believe will be a future,rebuilt Jewish temple.  But at this moment,I can't remember hearing these same preachers,talk about the temple that is in the here and now. That is,the temple in this age,that is made up of all,who have been born of God. I wonder,why I so seldom hear any preacher,preach on and talk about that?


Tom to Ronny:
I don't watch TV at all because it's boring to me. So I don't watch TV preachers. I prefer to read scripture and communicate on this forum. I think the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is distinct from the church those preachers are leading, and that's why you don't hear the same thing you'll get from an accurate translation of scripture.

Tom to Ronny:
I think you're right that the ecclesia/church/body of Jesus Christ is a different thing from the denominational type preachers and churches I was speaking about. Though of course, there are people in those who are also members of the ecclesia/church/body/temple of Jesus Christ.  Put there by God and not by themself or by any denominational type preacher.

And in the past,all that I had was the scripture as translated by various people and some deniminational type  preachers on TV. And some of those God has used to bless me, even though I knew they were wrong on somethings. Well,even when both they and I didn't rightly understand somethings,God still used one denominational type TV preacher,to free me from "worship" of preachers and denominational teaching.

The one thing that really bothers me about any denominational preacher,that I might see and sometimes watch on TV,is that all of them believe and teach that a lost person must in some way save themself. That,by their supposed "free will." Too,though some will seldom if ever mention such,in the background of their teaching,there is always the denominational type teaching if threatening the lost person with a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. I know that's wrong now and I hate to see that false threat used in any way. But,I think I need to keep in mind,that at least some who believe this and are wrong about it,at least some of them sincerely believe what they are saying. And at least that's better than the ones who simply teach/preach such to try and control some people and get money out of them.

That's the problem with church doctrine. You have to save yourself from eternal punishment in an pagan hell of torture in fire forever. Scripture says we're chosen before the disruption of the world, and it's in grace through faith that we're saved, not of works.

"He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world" (Ephesians 1:4)

"For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present, not of works, lest anyone should be boasting." (Ephesians 2:8,9)
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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hi There :-)
« Last post by RonnyTX on October 24, 2014, 05:08:56 PM »
Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.

Ronny to Tom:
Another interesting part of this to me,is not only are we the ecclesia/church,the called out ones;but in the scripture,we are also described as the body of Jesus Christ,the temple of God. And if and when I choose to listen to them on TV,I can hear a number of preachers, preaching about what they believe will be a future,rebuilt Jewish temple.  But at this moment,I can't remember hearing these same preachers,talk about the temple that is in the here and now. That is,the temple in this age,that is made up of all,who have been born of God. I wonder,why I so seldom hear any preacher,preach on and talk about that?


Tom to Ronny:
I don't watch TV at all because it's boring to me. So I don't watch TV preachers. I prefer to read scripture and communicate on this forum. I think the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is distinct from the church those preachers are leading, and that's why you don't hear the same thing you'll get from an accurate translation of scripture.

Tom to Ronny:
I think you're right that the ecclesia/church/body of Jesus Christ is a different thing from the denominational type preachers and churches I was speaking about. Though of course, there are people in those who are also members of the ecclesia/church/body/temple of Jesus Christ.  Put there by God and not by themself or by any denominational type preacher.

And in the past,all that I had was the scripture as translated by various people and some deniminational type  preachers on TV. And some of those God has used to bless me, even though I knew they were wrong on somethings. Well,even when both they and I didn't rightly understand somethings,God still used one denominational type TV preacher,to free me from "worship" of preachers and denominational teaching.

The one thing that really bothers me about any denominational preacher,that I might see and sometimes watch on TV,is that all of them believe and teach that a lost person must in some way save themself. That,by their supposed "free will." Too,though some will seldom if ever mention such,in the background of their teaching,there is always the denominational type teaching if threatening the lost person with a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. I know that's wrong now and I hate to see that false threat used in any way. But,I think I need to keep in mind,that at least some who believe this and are wrong about it,at least some of them sincerely believe what they are saying. And at least that's better than the ones who simply teach/preach such to try and control some people and get money out of them.
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Christian Life / Re: Path of Truth
« Last post by rosered on October 24, 2014, 05:00:08 PM »
It's an interesting site by Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk , who denounce ET and ED as well as many other doctrines while stating that God will save everyone, but the site also says that Christian Universalism, more specifically the articles we find here at tentmaker or at bible-truths, is also wrong because it claims that Christ has done all the work and we do not have to do anything, so to then the "false" Universalism is not Salvation.

They also complain that they were "kicked out of the Tent"

Thoughts?  :dontknow:
Hi  bro ed ...
   we be willing to have the Lord do His works  though us  as Jesus proved it   by living it ...being the son of man    and the son of God
 
   What   about  without me you can do nothing ? John 15

 and every  good gift and perfect gift comes down from the Father of Lights   ?    James 1

 anything anyone has is in Gods hand /power   and His good pleasure
 
 I  do not know  about them being removed from the Tent   not my call
 
  :Peace2: 
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Christian Life / Path of Truth
« Last post by Eduard on October 24, 2014, 04:41:09 PM »
It's an interesting site by Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk , who denounce ET and ED as well as many other doctrines while stating that God will save everyone, but the site also says that Christian Universalism, more specifically the articles we find here at tentmaker or at bible-truths, is also wrong because it claims that Christ has done all the work and we do not have to do anything, so to then the "false" Universalism is not Salvation.

They also complain that they were "kicked out of the Tent"

Thoughts?  :dontknow:
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: I am not UR
« Last post by Seth on October 24, 2014, 03:41:56 AM »
Brother, I think you are assuming that it is the universal salvation believers as the ones who do not want fellowship or are the ones judging. You don't have to do much more than affirm the teaching of universal salvation and it will be YOU being judged, not them.  You can do it in the nicest most respectful way possible, but it's not the attitude that offends them. The doctrine is what offends them. Anyone who has any doubt about that, try it.

With all due respect, Seth

You're preaching to the choir

I have fessed up that I was long gone from the church, so in that I must insert that part of that was for the same reasons you state; thus, I have tried it.
Having said that, I must say that part of the blame -per say- falls on me, for not having the desired love and faith, and simply wishing to convert others to my understanding.

That's good that you have that level of self awareness to understand what you could have changed. But even if you had the love and faith, i don't think it matters as to the end result. Personal opinion of course.

The only universal salvation believers who can attend church in peaceful fellowship are the silent ones, at least silent on that matter.
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