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it makes sense to me that hell is not an eternal torture but what if someone like hitler or people who have slaughtered and tortured people without mercy and then died and received no justice for their crimes on earth. wouldn't it seem unfair for god not to give them some kind of punishment after they die?

Cranny, we have discussed this very subject at great length (and depth!).  My take on it is that God's justice does not demand that some be punished for eternity, for justice is tempered with mercy.  In fact, I have stated that God's justice was to send His Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us.  Do we need Hell in addition to that?  God forbid!  The purpose of punishment is correction, or it is just simple sadism.  I see the Lake of Fire, the closest thing to Hell in the Bible, as a place to punish, to correct, to burn away our wood, hay, and stubble, and therefore to be left with the gold, silver, and other precious things the fire cannot burn.  Once cleansed, and remember how often God describes Himself as a cleansing fire (or even as soap!), the punished is taken out of the Lake of Fire, and so is able to enter the Kingdom:  Salvation for All!  Otherwise, how can God ever be All in all?

BTW, welcome to Tentmaker!  :friendstu: :gimmefive: :friendstu:
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I am new to this kind of theology some things make sense to me and some things don't . so I want to learn more so I can understand things that don't seem to make sense to me.
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it makes sense to me that hell is not an eternal torture but what if someone like hitler or people who have slaughtered and tortured people without mercy and then died and received no justice for their crimes on earth. wouldn't it seem unfair for god not to give them some kind of punishment after they die?
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I am new to this kind of theology some things make sense to me and some things don't . so I want to learn more so I can understand things that don't seem to make sense to me.
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Lounge / Re: The rise of Isis.
« Last post by sheila on August 21, 2014, 11:31:26 PM »
when I saw on news the Yezedees ran for the mountains from Isis, I wondered,too.
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Lounge / Re: The rise of Isis.
« Last post by Molly on August 21, 2014, 09:58:47 PM »
This group could easily be the army of the Antichrist spoken of in the Bible as the abomination that causes desolation.   This army overruns Jerusalem in the Biblical description, and drives the Jews out of Israel.

Jesus says when you see them surrounding Jerusalem, those in Judea should flee to the mountains.  OT tells us two thirds of the Jews in Israel will be killed.  A remnant will be rescued and taken to a safe place--Revelation 12.
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Lounge / Re: The rise of Isis.
« Last post by Jock on August 21, 2014, 09:36:54 PM »
Yes Marie

Western Christians are pretty much brain dead when it comes to a very real threat that is threatening our shores. This time that we have right now (IMO) is absolutely critical. Now the politicians are running to make deals with Iran! God only knows what will come of that!?

Shalom  :Peace2:

Jock

PS. This could drive the church underground and eradicate things like denominations
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the old man of sin/adam in us is appointed to die.....underlaw without mercy.....but the

new man in Christ/regenerated bears his idenity with the Lamb who laid down his

life willingly in order to take itback up again...no man[of sin/prince of this wrld]takes it

  he lays it down willingly/obediently to his Father's will


  the old man Adam has his life forfeited by sin entering[taken from him]

   perfection comes from obedience through suffering for doing His will

    when you have been forgiven and given eternal life through your faith in Jesus and

received the Holy spirit.....death really has no claim on you as the new creature in

Christ.  Thus..if ye beleive ye shall not die..even if ye die ye shall live.  However if

 the Father desire's..and in obedience to Him you lay it down...ye are partaking of

the likeness of His death.

   we can be be perfected by suffering[even unto death] for obedeince.  that is how

  Jesus was perfected.    Jesus told his disciples 'ye have not yet resisted sin unto

  the spilling of your  blood"   ye can not come know,but will come later.........their

 martyr's death came later.

   my  :2c:
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I see the sacrifice as beyond a historic moment in time, but that we become one with "the" sacrifice. In the physical realm Jesus was the only sacrifice to do away with the old covenant, but in the new, we become unified with that sacrifice through baptism and God requires us to be sacrificed well, hence the commandments to carry the cross.  So, in the flesh Jesus had THE body, but in the Spirit his body is many membered expression of the sacrifice.
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To die to self - but I don't believe that's THE sacrifice.  I believe that's obedience...to the One who is The sacrifice.  Not to redeem ourselves - He and His sacrifice already did. 
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