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Dietary advice in Daniel (?)

Daniel 1:12-15New International Version (NIV)

12 "Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. 13 Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see." 14 So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days.

15 At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food.
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: God's Will
« Last post by Searching_For_The_Truth on July 29, 2014, 07:32:11 AM »
I firmly believe that God's free will is far greater than our free will. If he desires for all to be saved, he will do so. If not, he won't do so. I would suggest reading "Hope Beyond Hell" on the tentmaker website. It makes a great case in regards to how our "free will" isn't as strong as we think it is and how God's free will is greater than our free will. It is backed up by scriptures as well.
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: God's Will
« Last post by Seth on July 29, 2014, 07:11:42 AM »
Hi SW, I meant that God is preplanning the growth of the elect. I didn't mean that God has preplanned everything. As I had said earlier, God does not tempt man to sin. I was making the difference clear about that. At the very LEAST, all is predetermined.

But specifically in regard to the growth of the elect, yes that is according to Gods preplanning.
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: God's Will
« Last post by saintwalee on July 29, 2014, 07:02:30 AM »
If there is a difference between will and choice, they are nevertheless entirely dependent on one another.
 If you have no will, it is not a choice. If you choose, your will is involved. If your will is not involved, you did not choose, another chose for you.
I totally agree with this. Everyone has a will, a capacity to make choices.  :thumbsup:

And from an earlier post; "Pre-planning is a different issue from predetermination. Predetermination simply means that everything you do will happen as God knows it, and therefore no choice you make is free from such foreknowledge of God. It must happen as he already knows it will."

"Here is my point: Just because scriptures urge people to grow in the faith, at the end of the day God is still in charge of who grows into the likeness of Christ. Romans 8:29 proves this. It happens according to the foreknowledge and predestination of God. All the admonitions of the Gospel to grow, are just as part of God's ultimate plan as the admonition to Rehoboam to treat Israel fairly. It doesn't mean that God isn't still predetermining the growth of his elect. That's what makes them elect."

Just getting back to this Seth!

In looking at the word "predetermination" that we used, you explained that it was God's foreknowledge of all events, but the in the later statement; "...doesn't mean that God isn't still predetermining...".

I used the word pre-planning, from which you said differed from predetermination; and I can except that definition as you gave it. But then you used the word predetermining, which to me, and it appears that way within the context of that particular sentence, that it is an action of for-thought in pre-planning. So the confusion is this; is predetermination simply foreknowledge, or is it pre-planning?

In reference to those He foreknew He did predestinate, I think the word predetermine means the same thing as predestinate, which to me would mean pre-planned.

As we discussed earlier, does God allow free will or is everything already written and we are just following script? My heart tells me that there is God's overall will, which will be done, but within His will, we are allowed our own free will within the parameters he has given us; as I have stated before. To just be following script, that every single thing has already been planned, to me is suffocating and puts my mind in bondage, and at this time, I cannot except that.

Anyway, this whole thread, which just started out as a realization of the Peace we have in Christ, knowing that our salvation is in His hands, and to take comfort and rest in that, as most threads do, took on a whole life of itself!

God may not be the author of confusion, but the reader sure can be confused!
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: God's Will
« Last post by micah7:9 on July 29, 2014, 05:16:35 AM »
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: God's Will
« Last post by Tony N on July 29, 2014, 03:56:39 AM »
Rom 9:11-16  For, not as yet being born, nor putting into practice anything good or bad, that the purpose of God may be remaining as a choice, not out of acts, but of Him Who is calling,  (12)  it was declared to her that "The greater shall be slaving for the inferior, (16)  Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful."

Rom 9:19 You will be protesting to me, then, "Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood His intention?
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Who was reconciled?
« Last post by Seth on July 29, 2014, 12:05:10 AM »

I know. When you think about the whole plan together, it's really amazing
Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / Re: Vision of Heaven and Hell
« Last post by Seth on July 28, 2014, 11:51:30 PM »
I don't trust visions that people have out of hand. I compare to the scripture always. What if I had a vision that everyone would be saved. Would Dushan believe it was from God?
Hello everyone,

I was just browsing through youtube and learned about someone named Dushan Yovanovitch who had a vision of Heaven and Hell. I understand that many hell testimonies aren't Biblical since they portray Hell as a playground for Satan and his angels. However, I am wondering if this one is any different. Feel free to also share your thoughts about this man's vision. Here is a link to the playlist

God Bless You all
Arguments Against Universal Salvation / Re: Psalms 55 Hell?
« Last post by jabcat on July 28, 2014, 10:10:07 PM »
:thumbsup:  Agreed.  No one in the OT warned about it as a consequence of sin, God didn't use it to warn Adam and Eve, and Paul never did (who said he preached the WHOLE gospel).  I think it's impossible that ET could be an option if not ever warned about throughout the whole OT.   :2c:

I completely agree. However, some Mainstream Christians argue that Hell was created for the devil and his angels around the time when Lord Jesus was resurrected and it is the ultimate destination of all who don't accept Lord Jesus in this lifetime. Some of them also believe that Abraham's Bosom was the original Heaven before Lord Jesus came along while the original Hell was the grave/sheol. In other words, many believe Hell didn't exist in the OT but it appeared in the NT

Related to the above, I believe annihilation/total destruction makes more Biblical sense than eternal torment.  One could easily glean that from the OT alone.  However, since the NT is so full of the restoration/reconciliation of all/everything gathered together in Christ, then it all must reconcile.
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