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Christian Life / Re: Our adversary
« Last post by Tom on May 27, 2015, 11:52:23 PM »
I think all who know that God is love, and know you, know that you are Christ's. There's no reason to doubt universal reconciliation because it is clearly stated in scripture.

"through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens" (Colossians 1:20)

"The earth" and "the heavens" means the whole universe, and it will all be reconciled to God. The only reason you doubt that is because of the strong influence of orthodox theology. Forget about that, and believe the word of God.

"For such are false apostles, fraudulent workers, being transfigured into apostles of Christ. And no marvel, for Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light. It is no great thing, then, if his servants also are being transfigured as dispensers of righteousness--whose consummation shall be according to their acts." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

"Do not worry about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God, and the peace of God, that is superior to every frame of mind, shall be garrisoning your hearts and your apprehensions in Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6,7)
Christian Life / Our adversary
« Last post by Caffus on May 27, 2015, 11:32:17 PM »
I think he was trying to confuse me with this veres. John 13:35 By this all men will know you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." Do all men know I'm Christ's? No actually less people think so, now that I don't believe in hell.  So, if that's not true, maybe the other verses supporting UR don't really mean all either! This thoughts were disturbing. Then....I prayed about it. The veres says WIll doesn't mean right now! I know I'm His..I know His Spirit lives in my heart and it is by Him I'm able to love like I do.  That devil just wants to bug us, rob our joy ect as much and for as long as he can.
 But our Life is now in Jesus CHRIST ,,I  THANK GOD FOR JESUS CHRIST

24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?

 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

Romans 7:18
For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.

Romans 7:21
So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me.

Romans 7:23
but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me.

Romans 8:2
because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.

1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hellbusters Hallow / Re: How Isaac Newton Dispensed With 'Hell'
« Last post by ed on May 27, 2015, 08:32:07 PM »
He was a thinker and had a very rational faith.................a hero of mine in that respect.

I think the word "eternal" is inaccurate and misleading, and the Greek "aionion" is better translated "eonian," even though folks aren't familiar with that word, because it's just the transliteration, or anglicization, of the Greek just as "eon" is of "aion." I think all the verses referring to "eonian life" point toward the future eons when the ecclesia, the body of Christ, will be immortalized. That's why there will be no "perishing" or "dying" "for the eon," but it's obviously not true now because we're all dying to die in our corrupt bodies. I understand that there is both figurative and literal death in scripture, but I don't think that means that believers will "never die." I think that's the lie of the serpent in the garden.

"But the serpent said to the woman: Not to die shall you be dying." (Genesis 3:4)

I believe  death has many meanings  in the Word ,  beside   just being mortal   in my opinion  :dsunny:  and mostly our own carnality   

24Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day." 25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me. Do you believe this?"…

John 1:4
In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:21
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

John 5:26
For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.

John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Colossians 3:4
When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Treasury of Scripture
Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 5:21 For as the Father raises up the dead, and vivifies them; even so …

John 6:39,40,44 And this is the Father's will which has sent me, that of all which …

Romans 5:17-19 For if by one man's offense death reigned by one…

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you…

1 Corinthians 15:20-26,43-57 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits …

2 Corinthians 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us …

Philippians 3:10,20,21 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship …

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also …

Revelation 20:5,10-15 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years …

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall …
the life.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son …

John 6:35 And Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life: he that comes to …

John 14:6,19 Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man …

Psalm 36:9 For with you is the fountain of life: in your light shall we see light.

Isaiah 38:16 O LORD, by these things men live, and in all these things is the …

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God has raised from the dead; …

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free …

Colossians 3:3,4 For you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God…

1 John 1:1,2 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we …

1 John 5:11,12 And this is the record, that God has given to us eternal life, and …
Have  past from death to Life      :HeartThrob:

 1  John 3 13Do not be surprised, brethren, if the world hates you.

 14We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. :HeartThrob:

He who does not love abides in death.

 15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him
..yep, "into the age" is quite a bit different from "never"

..we have "life in this age" His Life "and in the age to come"..
Hellbusters Hallow / How Isaac Newton Dispensed With 'Hell'
« Last post by marie glen on May 27, 2015, 07:29:44 PM »
The ancient view was of a world of three layers - heaven, earth, hell

But Isaac Newton, in a line of "thinkers", observed the world as all connected.. Looking into the heavens, and the apple falling on his head, he saw there was the same law of movement, governed therefore by the same law(s)..

The book I'm reading say's it like this, comparing it to granite. If the granite on my side of the world is hard, and in other parts of the world too, then so is granite wherever it is found. So (Sir) Isaac Newton observed that things are "universal" and move, etc, according to natural law, or laws of creation/nature. And his perception of the Creator was of a builder using natural law(s) rather than one doing things like.. I think I'll make it rain today in this part of China, but sunny today in such and such part of Europe.. Weather.. the universe.. now seen as a system.

Putting together with that the idea that God was not only rational but rational of a high degree and order -- and "Occam's Razor" ...of prudent conservation.. path of least resistance.. easiest solution (way) is the best way..

So why would such a rational, all seeing and understanding builder, create a reality of three different levels operating under three different sets of natural laws? which to him seemed to suggest an illogical, wasteful and disorderly creator!

Newton felt that what can be observed about the nature of things (nature, universe, natural law) were clues to the mind of God. [How sad the world has had (spiritually) bullied upon them this blasphemous idea of a God involved with eternal fiery torment! And loss of much which he created! :doh: ]
Lounge / Re: Errors of faith?
« Last post by Tom on May 27, 2015, 07:28:11 PM »
The word "faith," from the Greek "pistis," literally "belief," is the noun for "believe." I think all who believe Jesus Christ died for our sins, was entombed, and roused from the dead are believers even if most don't understand that creation and reconciliation have the same scope.

"Faith is an assumption of what is being expected, a conviction concerning matters which are not being observed. " (Hebrews 11:1)
It helps to have an accurate translation because the ancient text doesn't say "never die."

"And everyone who is living and believing in Me, should by no means be dying for the eon. Are you believing this?" (John 11:26)

See the attachment for a comparison of translations.
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