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Lounge / Re: all in all
« Last post by marie glen on April 18, 2015, 03:20:35 AM »
oh yes! "out of the mouths of babes"! What nice posts and thread to read!!! What a clever insight "He's soooo big He can't go anywhere" (can't leave us).. beautiful!!!

And the tree of knowing good and evil in the garden.. :smile:
Book of Revelation / Re: The Beast in the temple
« Last post by marie glen on April 18, 2015, 02:55:27 AM »
Im pretty sure I read somewhere in the Revelation that the beast will be in the temple claiming to be Christ Himself and in a book on UR called Gods plan for all that Jesus will be in the temple in Jerusalem during His 1000 year rein? :dontknow:

I believe Jesus will rule and restore paradise/perfection upon earth from Jerusalem during the 1000 year reign.

I am not fully convinced that there will be the building of a (the) "third temple".. I'm not sure why I cannot see this when so many others do, and even though (Daniel, I believe it was) said "he" a final days of man's world, politician, the "little horn" beast of Revelation 13:11-18 - as opposed to the world beast/body/governing of verses 13-10 - will "sit in the temple showing to himself that he is god" - a reference, I believe to man's current faith in man's theory of evolution, which has caused much of great falling away, claims God is dead, and that man is the higher power (able to decide good and evil).

Maybe they will build a 3rd temple.. but the "daily sacrifices" which will be "taken away" I believe to be the Wailing Wall, as Jesus said when the disciples were praising the temple and temple complex "see all this? not one stone will remain upon another". Yet there stands the Wailing Wall where sacrifices of prayers and praise are offered daily.. I believe it is a specific sign when the world sees the Wailing Wall removed, somewhere around the midst of the famous, prophesied seven year peace treaty (whether global or Middle Eastern(?).

Daniel 12:11, 12, seems to me to be saying three (Hebrew) years and seven months after "the daily sacrifice is taken away" ("removed") "the abomination of desolation will be set up. And blessed (happy!) is the one who waits and comes to 45 days later...

For the life of me, I just cannot see Israel carrying on the sacrifices of the Old Testament in today's world, but of course, maybe I'm wrong. Whichever daily sacrifice(s) are taken away from Israel, will be a major 'sign' i believe..

The Lord said in Matthew 24, verse 15, "when you see the abomination of desolation stand(ing?) in the holy place, Judah should flee (from Judah, today's disputed territories).. So perhaps there will be a 3rd temple.. or maybe it will simply be the temple mound..(?) or even Jerusalem..

Many of course believe Bible prophecy is usually two fold, what's called parallel, with a more or less 'immediate' fulfillment and then a "last days" fulfillment.

For example, Daniel's "beast most terrible" which most know represented Imperial Rome which destroyed Jerusalem in 70 a.d. (I won't go into the reasons why its believed to be Rome) - This beast of Daniel 7, verses 7,19-20 has the "ten horns" of the ('end' days, world) beast of Revelation 13 (see vs 1) [and also has iron teeth (columns?) and bronze claws. In Daniel chapter two, Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue of world powers (affecting Israel and Bible history) - the iron is Rome and the bronze is Greece - implying, I believe, a final days world beast evolved from and built upon roman/graeco roots, which way back when I was in school, I was taught was western civilization (built upon the classical foundations of Rome and Greece). Daniel wrote in Dan 7, "what the iron" (roman type politics of senates, courts, etc, architecture) doesn't subdue, "the bronze claws" (Greek based humanism, called today secular) "will tear up and scatter"..
     :smile: I'm currently doing a Bible prophecy study on my blog, . It's a little slow motion, as I have a rather full plate right now..
Lounge / Re: all in all
« Last post by lomarah on April 18, 2015, 01:40:21 AM »
Out of the mouths of babes. :)
My six year old daughter was reading her new children's Bible the other night. She was reading about how God created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. She straight away looked at me and asked, "If God didn't want us to eat from it why did He put it there?!?" Hahaha. I just sort of winked at her and said good question honey. ;)
Lounge / Re: all in all
« Last post by Shev on April 18, 2015, 12:54:50 AM »
Ha ha - fantastic! And He made us out of His own substance, so why would He destroy something that came from Him?
Lounge / all in all
« Last post by Abigail on April 18, 2015, 12:25:16 AM »
I just want to share a beautiful thing our 5yo son said this week.
My husband asked him: can God ever leave you?
Our little one answered: no, since He is soooo big, He cannot go anywhere.
Christian Life / Re: Born Again?
« Last post by rosered on April 17, 2015, 08:45:24 PM »
   ....for me the odd thing is...that all have fallen short...  For the creature was subjected to vanity,not by it's own will..but by the

   will of He who subjected it...IN THE HOPE..the whole creation would be set free into the glorious liberty of the sons of God.

    for God wrapped up ALL MEN into disobedience...IN ORDER to show mercy to ALL

  WELL IT SURE IS ALL HIM !!! :HeartThrob:  NOT BY MIGHT MY SPIRIT Zach 4;6 The Gold Lampstand

…5So the angel who was speaking with me answered and said to me,

 "Do you not know what these are?" And I said, "No, my lord."

 6Then he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel saying, 'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,' says the LORD of hosts.

7What are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring forth the top stone with shouts of "Grace, grace to it!"'"
 EPH 2 ;20A Temple in the Lord
19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household,

 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner/CAP  stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,

 NEW JERUSALEM   REV 21  :dsunny:

 Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Luke 24  ;44Jesus Opens the Meaning of Scriptures
44Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures
  the lamb open seals  book   Rev 5 Revelation 5 Expanded Bible (EXB)

5 Then I saw a scroll in the right hand of the One sitting on the throne. The scroll had writing on both sides and was ·kept closed [L sealed] with seven seals [C a wax stamp that sealed a document shut]. 2 And I saw a ·powerful [mighty] angel ·calling [proclaiming] in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?" 3 But there was no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth who could open the scroll or look inside it. 4 I cried ·bitterly [L much] because there was no one who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not cry! [L Look; T Behold] The Lion from the tribe of Judah [C a messianic title; Gen. 49:9–10], ·David's descendant [L the root of David; C a messianic title applied to Christ; Is. 11:10], has ·won the victory [overcome; conquered] so that he is able to open the scroll and its seven seals."

6 Then I saw a Lamb [C Jesus] standing ·in the center of the throne and in the middle of the four living creatures and the elders [or between the throne and the living creatures and among the elders]. The Lamb looked as if he had been ·killed [slaughtered; slain]. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God [C either angels or the "sevenfold Spirit"; see 1:4] that were sent into all the world. 7 The Lamb came and ·took [received] the scroll from the right hand of the One sitting on the throne. 8 When he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders [4:4] ·bowed down [fell] before the Lamb. Each one of them had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God's holy people [Ps. 141:2]. 9 And they all sang a new song [Ps. 33:3; 40:3; 98:1] to the Lamb:

"You are worthy to take the scroll
    and to open its seals,
because you were ·killed [slaughtered; slain],
    and with ·the blood of your death [L your blood] you ·bought [ransomed; purchased; redeemed] people for God
    from every tribe, language, people, and nation.
10 You made them to be a kingdom ·of priests [or and priests; Ex. 19:6] for our God,
    and they will ·rule [reign; C other manuscripts have "they reign" (present tense)] on the earth."

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.


Act 4:11 He is " 'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.

Eph 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.(NIV)

Isa 28:16 So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who trusts will never be dismayed.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Christian Life / Re: Born Again?
« Last post by sheila on April 17, 2015, 08:33:51 PM »
   ....for me the odd thing is...that all have fallen short...  For the creature was subjected to vanity,not by it's own will..but by the

   will of He who subjected it...IN THE HOPE..the whole creation would be set free into the glorious liberty of the sons of God.

    for God wrapped up ALL MEN into disobedience...IN ORDER to show mercy to ALL
> Gary Amirault's Corner < / Re: 24 Reasons Hell Is Real
« Last post by micah7:9 on April 17, 2015, 06:24:42 PM »
Well I will say with humility our posts deflated Bro. Shibley's paper if nothing else he would have to write another paper to show how the scriptures that were posted do not show a gospel of truth. I reread several responses for 12, 14, 20 and I just became happy. And one verse that was brought up several times for me is an absolute, and to deny it's authority is to say the Savior lied(never)……..
Joh 12:32  And I-- if I am lifted up from the earth--will draw all men to me."
Christian Life / Re: Born Again?
« Last post by rosered on April 17, 2015, 04:42:03 PM »

Hi John 

 I hear what you share and what the Spirit is saying  , I have been trying to be listening  before speaking

For me this  being born again   is  spoken of  by Jesus some in John 3  , but to me Paul expounds on it in   1Thess 5   ,  that coming out of darkness [like a womb/tomb ] and for me its those still under the law   being held in death [the law of Moses is the ministration of death]   2Corth 3;7 The Glory of the New Covenant
7But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 
 Now for me this is the  return of Jesus Christ showing us that some  , not all   at this time   are   Children of the Day/thousand year  reign     in the sense of Romans 11  , you have read the whole chapter to  understand what the fulness of the gentiles /all other nations   represents   and the trampling of the Holy city for 42 months  means , and how all of Israel will be saved  by this   Day of the Lord [judgment of Christ]   that is the gathering back of those  broken branches  that were burned ,not literally but  cast off for a time    of those branches  chosen   in Christ before   those will be grafted back in and all supported by the ROOT =Jesus Christ , making the first last /Israel and the last first /all those  of the nations /Gentiles ..
For me Paul is speaking to the nations /all  those born again by faith though Jesus Christ  till that fulness  is complete , as to be destroying Babylon [idolatry]   

1 Thess  5 :5 The Day of the Lord 
…4But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober.

2Peter 3 ;87But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

 8But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

9The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

  Hearing what the Spirit is saying is the same as   knowing what is happening  , the  Jealousy of God is to provoke  Israel into faithfulness towards Him

 First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, ... Duet 10:12 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God

 Love is as strong as death Solo 8 :6
 6"Put me like a seal over your heart, Like a seal on your arm. For love is as strong as death, Jealousy is as severe as Sheol/grave ; Its flashes are flashes of fire, The very flame of the LORD. 7"Many waters cannot quench love, Nor will rivers overflow it; If a man were to give all the riches of his house for love, It would be utterly despised."
 God is a  jealous God and consuming fire  Deut 4 Warning against Idolatry
…23"So watch yourselves, that you do not forget the covenant of the LORD your God which He made with you, and make for yourselves a graven image in the form of anything against which the LORD your God has commanded you.

 24"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

25"When you become the father of children and children's children and have remained long in the land, and act corruptly, and make an idol in the form of anything, and do that which is evil in the sight of the LORD your God so as to provoke Him to anger,…
 For me the odd thing is  all have fallen short  , the  other nations /gentiles are no better off  , and  serving the beast , false prophet and  satan in the sense of being adversarial     against God from the beginning ,    all from the work of their own hands /power   ,making idols   from their own imaginations   
 It is the LORD  GOD  HIMSELF  ,   who saves us and teaches us  by His Holy Spirit     that makes us new    and holy and purified into  His  own  kind
   Jesus Christ come in the fulness of time to show us the WAY ,TRUTH AND LIFE   BY  THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH      ...I DO BELIEVE   JESUS CHRIST AND GOD THE FATHER ARE ONE !   

 1Corth8 …5For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth,

 as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

 7However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now,

 eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

  we are to eat His body and drink His blood   that we might have life in us       ...     this sacrifice   is the true and pure one  sent  for us that we  are not   idolaters
   eating and drinking of the SPIRIT  of Truth   as children   to grow  strong in the SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD     
Christian Life / Re: Born Again?
« Last post by eaglesway on April 17, 2015, 09:48:59 AM »
None taken. Just exploring.  :o)
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