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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: newbie
« Last post by jabcat on March 03, 2015, 06:37:40 AM »

Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / newbie
« Last post by ajhall on March 03, 2015, 06:32:01 AM »
Greetings! First time here learning how to maneuver this. I'm aj new to Tentmaket Ministries which is a Divine connection for me. It was an answer to prayer that if what I was thinking in reference to God, then lead me to information which would substantiate this in the word. I came across To me salvation for all; reconciliation of all is foundational to the nature, character and purpose of God. I see it everywhere in scripture NOW! I can't get away from it. Such a deception that Christians are quick to embrace eternal torment from a God who is love while being hesitant to see him as mighty to save all. Even loving enough to save all or powerful enough to undo what Adam did. I thank the Lord for the Spirit of wisdom and revelation resting upon us. I would rather err on the side of love (should I be in error, I don't believe I am) than stick to what I've been taught.
Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by eaglesway on March 03, 2015, 04:12:49 AM »
the following paragraph speaks of the wicked/cheaters

  greedy drunkards,slanderers,swindlers etc  even lesser sins..not inheriting along with the 'biggies' adulterers homosexuals fornicators etc.

Yes, but John is not speaking of "greedy drunkards, slanderers, swindlers etc.". When he said, "If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not unto death", he was not speaking of someone who willfully and wantonly and consistently practices sins, such as a greedy drunkard, or a swindler, etc.....

The Lord Jesus said, "if your brother sins against you 7 x 7, and repent forgive him." Would these be counted among greedy drunkards, etc?

Paul also said, "if you find a brother in a fault, let those who are spiritual among you restore such a one, in a spirit of meekness"...

This is the spirit in which I hear John is speaking. This is the measure in the balance which John is revealing.

I see seven levels of response/judgment, all beginning with US, ALL requiring discernment :o)

1 If you see a brother committing a sin not unto death, pray for him".... the discernment leads to a secret response of intercessionary prayer. Havent we all struggled with such things, and don't we all still struggle with something? As James says, "We all stumbe in many ways".

2 "If you find a brother in a fault, let those who are spiritual among you restore such a one in a spirit of meekness "considering your own selves" .....the discernment leads to "come let us reason together"- counsel and restoration

3 "If a brother sins against you go, in private, to him and speak with him, and if he repents you, you have won your brother"..... the discernment leads to an appeal

4 "If he does not hear you, go with another (you may find your compaint is not properly founded, or you may find that it is)..... the discernemt leads to a stronger appeal with a consequence of exposure.

5 "If he does not hear you with another witness take him before the assembly(know you not you shall judge the world? know you not you will judge angels? can you not resolve disputes among yourselves?)..... the discernemnt leads to an appeal with exposure and a potential consequence of stern discipline

6 "If he does not hear the church, let him be as a sinner and a publican" .....the discernment leads to a tribunal and possible sentencing of judgment.

7 "I have decided to deliver such a one over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that his spirit may be saved in the Day" (Jannes &Jambres, Hymenias & Philetus, the man who had his father's wife, Annanias and Sephira)..... the discernment leads to judgment and sentencing without appeal.

Notice that in ALL of these there is care for the offender. The first two maintain the strictest confidence and discretion(in the closet, not before men). The second two are still in the nature of an appeal to "reason together, tho your sins be as scarlet I will make them white as snow), the fifth is a tribunal, where the offender is brought out in the open almost as in an earthly grand jury- but still holds the opportunity to repent and be restored to fellowship, forgiveness and right standing.. The sixth is stern discipline, a sentence passed- but only until such a one should repent and return- STILL to be reconciled upon humbling himself......

2 Cor 3 6 Sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority, 7 so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him, otherwise such a one might be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 Wherefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him..

The seventh is a sentence passed, sometimes without remediation in this life, referred to the grand tribunal at the Great White Throne- but STILL remedial("That they may learn not to blasphpheme"..."That his spirit may be saved in the Day")

Behold the goodness of the Lord whose judgment is swallowed up in mercy and whose righteousness and peace are kissing one another!

I would add, that in the light of the clear demonstration that God's ultimate intention is restoration in evry one of these levels of discernment/judgement, Why should it surprise anyone that the 8th level of judgment and beyond(after the second resurrection)- whatever that is(I am not drawing hard lines here LOL, I see these things in principle flowing in and out of one another) would be for the ultimate purpose of restoration also- the discernment/judgment of the wicked is also remedial. Glory to God, I just love it :o)
Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by dajomaco on March 03, 2015, 03:56:13 AM »
I John 5: 21

 Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

Could the sin that leads to death be sinning to purposely honor the devil.
Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / Re: 1 Peter 4:18
« Last post by Seth on March 03, 2015, 12:36:24 AM »
1 Peter 4, actually says "if the righteous are through difficulty saved." In other words, the fiery trial of their faith resulting in salvation from sin, growing them and strengthening and thus saving them from the temptation of the flesh. As he said,

1 Peter 4:3
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

His point is that the wicked will have to go through a harder time, not that they cannot be saved. Same goes for Hebrews 10.

More info:
Bible Verses Used to Assert Not All Will be Saved / 1 Peter 4:18
« Last post by GerWat on March 03, 2015, 12:08:54 AM »
Here's an article that sure doesn't sound like Gospel to me:

Wonder how y'all would handle 1 Peter 4:18, "And "If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"  and  Hebrews 10:26-31, "...there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins... The Lord will judge his people." It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

Wonder how y'all would handle Corrie Ten Boom's testimony about the guard.

I just don't know how to argue with this level of polished message.

Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by sheila on March 02, 2015, 11:15:19 PM »
  I think it noteworthy that Matthew  18 is in regard to a brother that sins against you...and afterward Peter approached Jesus

  about how many times he should forgive said brother 'up to 7 times'? of which Jesus up to 77 times .  and then taught through

the parable of the unmerciful servant....patience...[it is not always easy to overcome habitual unloving ways]

  Paul spoke of ...'taking to court 1 Cor 6...the very fact that you have lawsuits among you means that you have been completely

 defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? why not rather be cheated? the following paragraph speaks of the wicked/cheaters

  greedy drunkards,slanderers,swindlers etc  even lesser sins..not inheriting along with the 'biggies' adulterers homosexuals fornicators etc.
Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by jabcat on March 02, 2015, 10:58:05 PM »
Judgement and Punishment / Re: The Day of the Lord
« Last post by Seth on March 02, 2015, 10:49:52 PM »
I think the Bible pattern is repeating itself. God judged Israel 2000 years ago leaving behind only a remnant (even before 70AD at the time of national blindness) of believers to spread the word to the Gentiles. I believe this will be repeated in a future day of the Lord for the Israel that bears Christ's name.  :2c:
Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by Seth on March 02, 2015, 10:44:48 PM »
Great conversation. Also, the Bible defines life as in "that they may know thee and the one you have sent" (John 17:3). What it means to know God could be a whole discussion, but given that "a widow who seeks after pleasure is dead, though she is alive" suggests to me that, hypothetically, an immortal who didn't have knowledge of God and deliverance from sin isn't truly alive though he breathes and has literal consciousness.  :2c:
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