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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: Are Universalists, Trinitarians?
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 01:35:37 AM »
Evil is always judged. It is discerned(separated), by the Sword of His mouth and the Flames in His eyes- bone and marrow, spirit and soul.

It is "brough to light"- it is written, Nothing is hidden that will not be brought to light".

Light shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot overcome it. As Paul said, "Everything brought to light becomes light".

Sin is already judged through the death of Adam in every believer who is alive in Christ.

For those who reject the light in this age, with all those from all the ages whose consciences testify that their deeds were not wrought in God(Romans 2), all whose names are not written in the Lamb's book, evrything will be brought to light, in the lake of fire, in the age following the age to come.
I agree with Tom that the lake of fire is for the "unbelievers", the wicked of the ages. Those who believed will be washed in the blood of the lamb, their sins having been remitted already and Adam judged in their flesh through the cross of Christ.

I have said several times before that I think the lake of fire is a heavenly intervention, all beings penetrated by "unaproachable light" in the holy assembly in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus(Hebrews 12, Eph 2)- but of course that is just my opinion.

The light will be torment to them until they yield to the discernment/separation/judgment of God, confessing their sins(bow the knee) and praising God for the cross of Christ.
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Collosians 1:20

kai      di             autou    apokatallaxai
and    through    Him       to reconcile

ta      panta    eis     auton    eirEnopoiEsas
the    all          into    Him       making peace

dia            tou    haimatos    tou       staurou
through    the    blood         of the    cross

autou     di             autou    eite           ta
of Him    through    Him       whether    the

epi    tes     ges       eite    ta     en    tois
on     the     earth    or      the    in     the

ouranois.
heavens.

I don't see the word "things" in there anywhere.
Yet most bible translations say "all things."
If it does mean all things and not just all people, then:
What about rattlesnakes?
And mosquitoes?
And extinct species?
What about neanderthals?
And wooly mammoths?

First we have "to reconcile the all" and then we have some elipsis:  "the [all] on the earth" and "the [all] in the heavens"

This reconciling has to do with all beings which are "estranged and enemies" to God (Col.1:21), who drop their enmity and become friends with God.

 :iagree:
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Amen.
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Will He reconcile all THINGS? or all PEOPLE?
« Last post by Tony N on October 30, 2014, 11:59:21 PM »
Collosians 1:20

kai      di             autou    apokatallaxai
and    through    Him       to reconcile

ta      panta    eis     auton    eirEnopoiEsas
the    all          into    Him       making peace

dia            tou    haimatos    tou       staurou
through    the    blood         of the    cross

autou     di             autou    eite           ta
of Him    through    Him       whether    the

epi    tes     ges       eite    ta     en    tois
on     the     earth    or      the    in     the

ouranois.
heavens.

I don't see the word "things" in there anywhere.
Yet most bible translations say "all things."
If it does mean all things and not just all people, then:
What about rattlesnakes?
And mosquitoes?
And extinct species?
What about neanderthals?
And wooly mammoths?

First we have "to reconcile the all" and then we have some elipsis:  "the [all] on the earth" and "the [all] in the heavens"

This reconciling has to do with all beings which are "estranged and enemies" to God (Col.1:21), who drop their enmity and become friends with God.
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: Are Universalists, Trinitarians?
« Last post by Tom on October 30, 2014, 11:30:31 PM »
I believe "the second death-the lake of fire" is for the "unjust" because believers will have eonian life.

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: The unpardonable Sin is one hell of a Sin
« Last post by Tom on October 30, 2014, 11:26:31 PM »
That's right. It's all about worldly power. That's why the church preaches the doctrine of hell fire, to control its followers with fear. "Hell," the Old English word used to translate the Greek "hades," literally "unseen," in the King James Version morphed into what it is through the deception of the church. So don't even waste your time asking the church about it because you won't get the truth. For that you need to go to the inspired written word of God accurately translated.
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: Are Universalists, Trinitarians?
« Last post by micah7:9 on October 30, 2014, 11:21:02 PM »
Eaglesway, I must ask; How is justice served, if evil is not judged?

RG, I know this question was addressed to Eaglesway, but I'd like to say this:

God could have tossed all of us into Dante's Hell for our sins - it would have been His right.  God could have reduced us all to ashes, for that would have been His right too.  However, as He told us in His word, His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.  Instead of revenge, and "getting even," He made another Choice.  Why would a creator God need to get even or to exact revenge anyway, as if He were a man? 

No, and note this well, God's Justice was to send His Own Son to shed His blood and to die for us.  Beyond that, I'm just speechless...


".....How is justice served, if evil is not judged?"
I do not know where you got that idea, the LoF IS the Judgement for the just and the unjust.
Act 24:15  And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.  :2c:
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: Are Universalists, Trinitarians?
« Last post by dajomaco on October 30, 2014, 11:14:59 PM »
No, and note this well, God's Justice was to send His Own Son to shed His blood and to die for us.  Beyond that, I'm just speechless...

enough said  :iagree:
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: The unpardonable Sin is one hell of a Sin
« Last post by dajomaco on October 30, 2014, 11:12:14 PM »
It is funny how upset the leadership of various churches get ,
when you question them about hell.

It's like some how you are trying to steal their power.
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: The unpardonable Sin is one hell of a Sin
« Last post by Tom on October 30, 2014, 10:43:25 PM »
I don't agree "that the blood of Jesus does not cover" "telling a fellow believer that he is going to hell because he says there is no hell." Usually the folks telling other folks that believe it because that's what they've been taught, but I don't think a believer is not saved just because they're misinformed. I also disagree with "we as people who believe in universal reconciliation should continue to go to church and continue to witness and fellowship." I've been in a discussion about this recently. I think we can share the truth with fellow believers outside the church, and being in church actually shows that we agree with the false doctrine being preached. So I think it's better to communicate outside the church.
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