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From my understanding the "Hell" verse used there is Gehenna which is in the context of national judgements
Somthing I've thought of; I'm not sure why I would quote a scripture to attempt to show a spiritual point, if I didn't believe the Bible (accurately translated, Spirit-revealed) was reliable and the Word of God. Yet many seem to do that very thing (most often on other sites than TM). Which to me, tends to leave me a little flat..
Sort of leaves it all up in the air. If the Word isnt reliable, then who do we rely on? Some would say, "the Spirit". But they often seem so sure that they have the SPirit and whoever disagrees with them doesnt ;o)
That's why the Word is the sword of the Spirit. Weapons for the right hand and the left. In spirit and truth. The scriptures are, according to Peter- written by holy men moved by the Spirit. According to the writer of Hebrews, "oracles". According to Paul, "God-breathed".
Perhaps this is why Jesus so often replied, "It is written".
No man comes to the Father unless he is called.
Everyone knows about Him, but not their time to learn about the first resurrection. They will learn at the great white throne of judgment.
Good example about this knowing "about" him is like we know a lot "about" your president, but only those who he talks to personally know him at a deeper level. Still under the same government, just different levels of understanding.
In the great white throne era people will have the correction and development of their understanding.
The first resurrection is for the ecclesia who have been appointed before the world began so that no man can glorify himself.
Faith..Hope...Love..........those that Hope in the Lord shall not be disappointed.......2 Corinthians 4:16
This is a very good thread!
I can honestly say that I totally HATED this man!!! My carnal way of thinking ultimately was consuming me! I would get upset at just the mention of his name and when I would read about the things he was doing to this country it would make me so upset I thought I would bust.
Now I was revealed the truth of UR about 7 or 8 years ago and I was not letting the Spirit work in my life and was still dead in sin. After reading the tent maker site a month or so ago I realized just how carnal I was still and prayed that God would restore in me a clean and obeying heart.
Well let me tell you what a difference it has made in me and Jesus Christ has made me something I thought I could never be.
I can honestly say I love everyone and Obama included. I am not saying I agree with him and others I once hated or disliked but I can say that the love of Christ has made me a new creation. Of course every once in a while that carnality wants to creep in but I remember Who it is that has changed me and those thoughts are quickly removed.
I have a brother(sibling) that I had spoken with a few moths ago and he is a Christian and has been for several years. We were Obama bashing and all of a sudden he said that if he was assassinated it would not bother him at all. he also stated in a round about way "he will get his and he will burn in hell for all the wrong he has done". Well even then when I hated Obama this made my mouth drop!!! I thought to myself this is not right!!!!!!
I then told him that God is the one who puts one in authority and that it is possible that God may be showing this country a lesson. he was silent and really gave no specific answer to that.
Any who sorry for the long winded.
But I do see that love can only come through the Spirit of God and I feel much peace compared to a heart of hate. After all if God can love me then He does love everyone and I desire to be just like Him!!
Love thy neighbor as thy self. Love your enemies and do good to those who persecute you. Love is of God. We love Him because He first loved us.
Thanks so much, rsimpson - your testimony makes the point powerfully indeed! We can view people with the carnal mind or with the mind of Christ, seeing them from an earthly perspective or a heavenly perspective. To be so caught up in this temporal world as to hate someone - anyone - is to suffer great damage and hindrance to our walk in Christ.
With folks like Obama, Christians often almost seem to "love him" with a grudging sigh, and in intellect only, rather than having the unconditional, powerful, all encompassing holy love of the father.
It is wonderful to think of the time when Obama, or any other sinner, eventually repents while starving in the pig sty of their flesh and sets their face towards home, to find their father running towards them with love in his eyes. May we be siblings that run alongside him enthusiastically and joyfully, rather than the older brother in the parable who was grumpy and sullen about the blessing of his brother's return.