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From my understanding the "Hell" verse used there is Gehenna which is in the context of national judgements
Somthing I've thought of;  I'm not sure why I would quote a scripture to attempt to show a spiritual point, if I didn't believe the Bible (accurately translated, Spirit-revealed) was reliable and the Word of God.  Yet many seem to do that very thing (most often on other sites than TM).  Which to me, tends to leave me a little flat.. :2c:

Sort of leaves it all up in the air. If the Word isnt reliable, then who do we rely on? Some would say, "the Spirit". But they often seem so sure that they have the SPirit and whoever disagrees with them doesnt ;o)

That's why the Word is the sword of the Spirit. Weapons for the right hand and the left. In spirit and truth. The scriptures are, according to Peter- written by holy men moved by the Spirit. According to the writer of Hebrews, "oracles". According to Paul, "God-breathed".

Perhaps this is why Jesus so often replied, "It is written".

 :thumbsup:  Amen.  We can all have blind spot, but sometimes even the most learned or even those in leadership don't fully understand.
Lounge / Re: The rise of Isis.
« Last post by Molly on Today at 08:50:20 AM »
19say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD,
 "Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph,
 which is in the hand of Ephraim,
 and the tribes of Israel, his companions;
 and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah,
 and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand."'

 --Ezekiel 37

11 And the children of Judah and the children of Israel shall be gathered together,
 and they shall appoint for themselves one head.
 And they shall go up from the land,
 for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

 --Hosea 1

IMO, the ecclesia is made up of all who call upon the name of Jesus in a tru heart. Some of them have been illuminated to the full gospel, which is the good news of the salvation of all thru Jesus Christ, the Lord. All will eventually receive that illumination.

Phil 2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Acts 3:19 Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

1 Cor 15 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in [h]Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth.

Col 1:19 For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
Lounge / Re: Are those who understand universalism, predestined to do so?
« Last post by sheila on Today at 08:38:28 AM »
my  :2c:  all men are pre-destined to understand.and become reconciled to God.because

 the Lamb was slain before the founding of this world..  but each in his own order.

     now the 'order' is dependant on God and His manifest will for all the generations

    of men. ex; Abraham was elected by God for a certain purpose according to the

  will of God in his generation..and God revealing 'faith put into the word of God

  spoken to you..and beleiving God is counted as righteousness by God.

     Noah was elected to hear God's word unto him and declare it in his day,according

  to the purpose of God in that generation.

  now there were other men beside Abraham on the earth in his generation..but it

was Abraham He revealed himself to,spoke to and fulfilled His word to,for His very own


    It does not depend on the one desiring,but on God who does the choosing.....

  and there is no room for boasting in the matter over any other man..for who has made

 the called or chosen ones to differ over any other man.? If He chooses any to

be used for making known His express glories or express will..He will do these things

   He has been revealing Himself,His will,His divine plan progressively through the

  generations.  He has furnished Himself wittness's,recorded His scriptures,given

 prophets the atonement Lamb,Messiah the Holy spirit and will fulfill all of the things

  He has declared/revealed and desired. and it is He that decides who He will use.for

 any given purpose[SOVEREIGN]

     It has been revealed that just as we have all bore the image of the corruptible

  one,so,too,shall we all bear the image of the incorruptible one.

      People have not understood
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Lounge / Are those who understand universalism, predestined to do so?
« Last post by Jason76 on Today at 07:07:12 AM »
No man comes to the Father unless he is called.
Everyone knows about Him, but not their time to learn about the first resurrection. They will learn at the great white throne of judgment.
Good example about this knowing "about" him is like we know a lot "about" your president, but only those who he talks to personally know him at a deeper level. Still under the same government, just different levels of understanding.
In the great white throne era people will have the correction and development of their understanding.
The first resurrection is for the ecclesia who have been appointed before the world began so that no man can glorify himself.

So your saying universalists are the ecclesia, and they came to this knowledge by revelation, not discovery (on their own part)?
Well feel free to share them(if you want to). I think I have been causing some people to at least think on the matter if I have not convinced anyone yet(fortunately my family and friends are not the type to hold my beliefs against me or shun me or anything like that).
Faith..Hope...Love..........those that Hope in the Lord shall not be disappointed.......



     :thumbsup:      :HeartThrob:   2 Corinthians 4:16
Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.
Christian Life / Re: I love Obama!
« Last post by rosered on August 22, 2014, 08:03:50 PM »
This is a very good thread!

 I can honestly say that I totally HATED this man!!! My carnal way of thinking ultimately was consuming me! I would get upset at just the mention of his name and when I would read about the things he was doing to this country it would make me so upset I thought I would bust.

Now I was revealed the truth of UR about 7 or 8 years ago and I was not letting the Spirit work in my life and was still dead in sin. After reading the tent maker site a month or so ago I realized just how carnal I was still and prayed that God would restore in me a clean and obeying heart.

Well let me tell you what a difference it has made in me and Jesus Christ has made me something I thought I could never be.

I can honestly say I love everyone and Obama included. I am not saying I agree with him and others I once hated or disliked but I can say that the love of Christ has made me a new creation. Of course every once in a while that carnality wants to creep in but I remember Who it is that has changed me and those thoughts are quickly removed.

I have a brother(sibling) that I had spoken with a few moths ago and he is a Christian and has been for several years. We were Obama bashing and all of a sudden he said that if he was assassinated it would not bother him at all. he also stated in a round about way "he will get his and he will burn in hell for all the wrong he has done". Well even then when I hated Obama this made my mouth drop!!! I thought to myself this is not right!!!!!!

I then told him that God is the one who puts one in authority and that it is possible that God may be showing this country a lesson. he was silent and really gave no specific answer to that.

Any who sorry for the long winded.

But I do see that love can only come through the Spirit of God and I feel much peace compared to a heart of hate. After all if God can love me then He does love everyone and I desire to be just like Him!!

Love thy neighbor as thy self. Love your enemies and do good to those who persecute you. Love is of God. We love Him because He first loved us.

Thanks so much, rsimpson - your testimony makes the point powerfully indeed! We can view people with the carnal mind or with the mind of Christ, seeing them from an earthly perspective or a heavenly perspective. To be so caught up in this temporal world as to hate someone - anyone - is to suffer great damage and hindrance to our walk in Christ.

With folks like Obama, Christians often almost seem to "love him" with a grudging sigh, and in intellect only, rather than having the unconditional, powerful, all encompassing holy love of the father.

It is wonderful to think of the time when Obama, or any other sinner, eventually repents while starving in the pig sty of their flesh and sets their face towards home, to find their father running towards them with love in his eyes. May we be siblings that run alongside him enthusiastically and joyfully, rather than the older brother in the parable who was grumpy and sullen about the blessing of his brother's return.

  Great thoughts  and say Amen 
  when we look at Jesus  and  not at the  waters [many peoples tongues and nations]     we see Jesus  is our ALL
  He is the intercessor ,  The  Vine and we are the branches   , He is the good Shepherd  , Lamb of God  ,  the WORD  made flesh   He is   everything and everything will work out     , Hebrews 10 :7    Then I said, "See-- it is written about Me in the volume of the scroll-- I have come to do Your will, God!"
  God s desire will be  fulfilled  perfectly
  Love  has overcome the world  !! ,   and that is though  the source,   Jesus Christ and His  cross
 as we, as well,  must bear our own   learn righteousness     
     John 16 33"These things I have spoken to you, so that" in Me" you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation,

 but take courage; I have overcome the world."
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