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Christian Life / Re: Wheat and Tares
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 05:18:21 AM »
Annias and Saphira saw another aspect of God's judgment in the church. It is also easy to get high-minded in "super-spirituality" and miss some of the more direct manifestationns of God, or minimize them. IMO, When Jesus explained parables, He explained them- He didnt issue more parables.
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are the 12 tribes and  apostles not symbolic of all mankind? Most certainly!!!!!!  and there you have the

 full revelations of the sons of God..even all mankind...each in his own [birth]order!
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Book of Revelation / Re: False Israel
« Last post by Seth on Today at 04:35:14 AM »
I think that has to do with the shadow vs realization difference. Even in that particular prophecy, you can see its a lamentation by God of how Israel went further away from God. Israel was a nation God was not pleased with very often, but his son he was well pleased with. So Jacob was deceptive but his actions were a shadow of how God would choose his elect, and that it would not be based on nautural heritage, as with Easau. For the last shall be first and the first shall be last.
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well,if you realize the bridegroom goeth forth from his chamber as the the sun goeth forth...you would realize

 what Enoch was shown in parabolic form was the sons of God going forth for their circuit...sown in clay....

  traversing to the west 'sundown/death in flesh' only to rise in the east[into the havens]sunrise/resurrection/new

  eternalday.

   it is the circuit of God's seed....sown inthe earth[clay vessels] harvested to return unto the Father.

   He often speaks in parabolic form His truths...to be revealed in His own timing.  for this reason men of this

 world  oftenthink His gospel is foolishness.

 :iagree: I definitely see that. I think that is one of the most wonderful signs we have. God coming "down" into the earth and rising (resurrecting) again to heaven. Everyday, the whole world is witness to this testimony.

And speaking of circuit, did you know that Galilee is from district or circle (circuit), meaning enveloped within a circle? And what about Galileo Galilei, the father of Astronomy; coincidence?

Our year consists of twelve months, we "go through" twelve constellations every year, there are twelve hours on a clock, all making a complete circuit.

If you take 18 pennies, put one in the middle, and surround that penny, you will have six pennies around that first penny. Now, if you surround the six outer pennies, you will have...twelve pennies!
Creates a word picture: God (one penny) in man (6 pennies) extending to all of mankind (twelve pennies).

Are the twelve tribes and the twelve apostles not symbolic then of all mankind?
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well,if you realize the bridegroom goeth forth from his chamber as the the sun goeth forth...you would realize

 what Enoch was shown in parabolic form was the sons of God going forth for their circuit...sown in clay....

  traversing to the west 'sundown/death in flesh' only to rise in the east[into the havens]sunrise/resurrection/new

  eternalday.

   it is the circuit of God's seed....sown inthe earth[clay vessels] harvested to return unto the Father.

   He often speaks in parabolic form His truths...to be revealed in His own timing.  for this reason men of this

 world  oftenthink His gospel is foolishness.
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Book of Revelation / Seven Church Angels
« Last post by saintwalee on Today at 03:50:32 AM »
Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

So what happens to the seven angels? Do we here about them again in Revelation?

Yes, for each message is "To the Angel of the Church of "X" write...". Why not "to the church"? Why are the messages to the Angels of the Church?

Where else do we see seven angels in Revelation?

Rev 8:2  And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
and...
Rev 15:6  And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

But who are these Angels, these Messengers of God?
1Co 6:2  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?



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Joh 21:25  And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

How many testimonies of changed lives are there throughout history? How many discourses have been written? I think John may have been prophesying! We are the continuing story of Jesus. :dsunny:

There definitely were other "books" written, but I'm sure God has guided to what we have today as the recognized bible, or collection of books.

I've read Enoch, though I don't know if it is an "actual" translation. There are many amazing things in there. What "killed" it for me was the writings about the course of the sun. Unless I missed something there, that to me made the book not legitimate.

The Gospel is not only in books written from the hearts of men, but in nature itself; from the Sun in its daily course, the moon from new to full, from seeds falling to the ground and growing into beautiful flowers (or even thistles). Everywhere we look in nature, the gospel cries out to us!
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Christian Life / Re: Wheat and Tares
« Last post by saintwalee on Today at 03:14:09 AM »
..also how cool when the earth no longer puts forth thistles, itch weed or poison ivy! so also, of course no more evil lurking in hearts..

But as to why the not pulling up of tares before Jesus' return? I've always thought of it as a gardener! When you have lots of weeds and pull them up, you do pull up some crop with them.. And God of course, loves His tender (growing but young) plants..
       :smile:
Or maybe the thistles, itch weed and poison ivy won't hurt any more!
Isa_11:8  And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

I'm also reminded of how Paul said he was given so many revelations that God sent a messenger of Satan to buffet his flesh and keep him humble. So, when Peter says "for the time has come for judgment to begin with the house of God" he does so in the context of how "tares" mistreat the "wheat." For when God's judgments are in the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness.

God's method for the judgment of the church is to humble them, and teach them how to be patient and forgive their enemies, and teach them to be like Christ by giving them trials.

So, by uprooting the tares too early, it also uproots the very method by which God judges believers and teaches them righteousness.

 :iagree: :iagree:
It is so easy for us to get high minded and self-righteous, becoming so legalistic in faith. I fear that almost more than anything!
To the Angel of the Ephesians:
Rev 2:4  Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5  Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent
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Book of Revelation / Re: False Israel
« Last post by saintwalee on Today at 03:03:20 AM »
 :gimmefive: I thought you would have some scripture for that!

It could be difficult to see Israel as God's first born son, as to the history of Jacob, being the second born (but loved by God) and being so deceitful his whole life.

Oh the mysteries that are there-in!
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Book of Revelation / Re: False Israel
« Last post by Seth on Today at 02:51:06 AM »
Check it out:

Matthew 2:13-15
An angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. "Get up," he said, "take (Jesus) and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him." So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, They stayed there until King Herod died. So the words the Lord had spoken through the prophet came true. He had said, "I chose to bring my son out of Egypt."


Here is the prophecy:

Hosea 11:1-2
The LORD continues,"When Israel was a young nation, I loved them. I chose to bring my son out of Egypt. But the more I called out to Israel, the further they went away from me. They brought sacrifices to the statues of the gods that were named after Baal. And they burned incense to them.


Exodus 4:22-23
Then (Moses) say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son, and I told you, "Let my son go, so he may worship me." But you refused to let him go; so I will kill your firstborn son.'"


To be in Christ is to be in God's firstborn Son, to be in Israel. For a Jew is not one outwardly according to circumcision the flesh, but according to the circumcision of the Spirit.

I have more info about this here: http://mercifultruth.com/links-promisedland.html
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