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Christian Life / Re: Sounding an alarm
« Last post by joeteekay on March 26, 2015, 05:20:17 AM »
Thanks for your story. Greatly appreciated. It is interesting that of late I have been studying Hebrews, and find it very deeply spiritual. I often wonder who wrote it. Apostle Paul is not mentioned as the author. All the other NT books have an Apostle as the writer. Most certainly it is inspired by the HS. Perhaps it was written by God Himself?? Just speculating. :dunno:
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Christian Life / Re: Sounding an alarm
« Last post by Psalm91:4 on March 26, 2015, 04:18:23 AM »
Hi Cardinal,

  I rejoice with you!  :)  and appreciate your testimony of what the Lord has done for you thru your hospital stay and what He is doing in your home,  by His Spirit.

 Also, I believe the Lord is about to do a work in the earth so powerful that even we will be amazed when we see it happening by His Spirit.

 He is gathering in to send out.  All I can say is that I`m ready; I`ve been waiting on Him just as many here are doing too.  It`s such an awesome thing that I can hardly even speak about it. 

 Sue
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Christian Life / Re: Sounding an alarm
« Last post by Lazarus Short on March 26, 2015, 03:50:26 AM »
Surely the spiritual is the real reality, and the here-and-now, which we think is so real, is just a shadow, a dream, an illusion.  Glad to hear your report!  :dsunny:
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Christian Life / Re: Sounding an alarm
« Last post by Tom on March 26, 2015, 02:13:08 AM »
I'm glad you're feeling better, sis.
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Christian Life / Sounding an alarm
« Last post by Cardinal on March 26, 2015, 01:58:07 AM »
 :cloud9:  Hi all......the Lord has impressed on me strongly that I am to sound an alarm to my brethren. The kingdom of God is not coming someday, it's coming TODAY, if you will but reach out and cry out to Him. It's not coming with observation by the natural eye because only the spirit can see the Spirit, but once the Spirit has hit, the natural MUST bow the knee.

As a witness to what I am telling you, less than 2 weeks ago I was in the hospital for the 2nd time in less than 6 months dying of congestive heart failure, AFIB, hypertension, and double pneumonia. Worse than that I got spanked by God severely while I was in there. Once repentance was worked into me, He started to move.

The first thing He did was define grace. Grace is HIS LOVE, crying out for HIS MERCY. Then He had read Hebrews thru to but not including Revelation. I was astonished at the things I had never seen, though I've read it hundreds of times. He let me know this is where we are to feast right now. Hebrews is literally being fulfilled in a people that are called by His name, a firstfruits company He is raising up in the earth RIGHT NOW, the dry bones that the prophet saw. The other books are to strengthen us and show us what types of things WILL be raised up to try to stop what He is doing with us.

Now.....BUT GOD. I was gonna die, BUT GOD. For the last 12 years (I'll be 59 in July) approximately I have had to read with readers. My close up vision (never needed glasses before) deteriorated with aging, of course. Well, not anymore. I left there able to read the back ingredients of artificial sweetener packets (tiny, tiny, print). He said this is to be a witness to what He is doing and doing NOW. There is no human way possible to reverse vision like this.

Add to that, I'm being restored in other ways. Since I got out, I have run like a freight train on fire, 18 hours a day, which in the natural I should not be able to do, either. Today He had me skipping (yes I said skipping) 7 times back and forth and then dancing for joy at a friend's house. People with severe asthma and jacked up knees from levaquin rupturing my tendions a few years back, can't do that!

Halleluyah to the Most High God, we are to make His name to be a praise in the earth, and as we let Him deal with us now as He removes the ROOTS of wrong FRUITS we've been producing, IN THIS HOUR, He is moving!

I beg all of you, my brethren, press in now like there is no tomorrow because He is filling us NOW with more of Him, if we will throw ourselves at His feet and cry out for mercy both for ourselves and for all mankind. As we decrease now, HE WILL INCREASE.

And this is catching......my whole household is now on fire for God, we are in daily praise, bible study, and ministering to whomever He chooses. Like Abraham, be willing in this day to lay down your family (who are my brethren? those that do the will of my Father), your homes (Abraham had to leave his country, the place he was comfortable in, our comfort zones, roots not planted by Him), and his father's house (the carnal mindset and fleshly lusts of man) to look for a city (multiple habitations of HIM) made without hands (man is not building THIS house, the housel/linage of the Most High, He is not ashamed to call them brethren).

Blessings and the love of the our Father to you all, may His Spirit come upon and overtake everyone of us till He be all in all.  :HeartThrob:


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I always had these and more unanswered questions until I saw the light. God is love, and his ultimate plan is to manifest the power of love to overcome evil.

This is the scripture that has been distorted to deceive people into thinking that unbelievers will be tormented in fire forever.

"And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons." (Revelation 20:10)

Mortals cast into the lake of fire will be dead, and the dead know nothing.

"And death and the unseen were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death--the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:14)

"The living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing whatsoever." (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

Forget about orthodox theology that lies to you about God torturing people in fire. Believe the inspired written word of God.
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I think soul is the sensation resulting from the combination of an organic body with breath or spirit.

"Yahweh Elohim formed the human out of soil from the ground, and He blew into his nostrils the breath of life; and the human became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)

"The soul of the flesh, it is in the blood." (Leviticus 17:11)

"The soul of all flesh, it is its blood." (Leviticus 17:14)

I've read that immortality of the soul was the philosophy of Plato adopted by the Roman Catholic Church to support its doctrine of torture forever in fire.

"The living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing." (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

I think scripture is clear that all humans are living souls who are dying but will eventually be given immortality in spiritual bodies at different times. Christ has already been vivified. When Christ meets believers in the air, we will be vivified with spiritual bodies to be alive through the last two eons and beyond, but unbelievers will be vivified when death is abolished at the consummation of the eons.   

"There are bodies celestial as well as bodies terrestrial. But a different glory, indeed, is that of the celestial, yet a different that of the terrestrial, another glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars, for star is excelling star in glory. Thus also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is roused in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is roused in glory. It is sown in infirmity; it is roused in power. It is sown a soulish body; it is roused a spiritual body. If there is a soulish body, there is a spiritual also. Thus it is written also, The first man, Adam, "became a living soul:" the last Adam a vivifying Spirit. But not first the spiritual, but the soulish, thereupon the spiritual. The first man was out of the earth, soilish; the second Man is the Lord out of heaven. Such as the soilish one is, such are those also who are soilish, and such as the Celestial One, such are those also who are celestials. And according as we wear the image of the soilish, we should be wearing the image also of the Celestial. Now this I am averring, brethren, that flesh and blood is not able to enjoy an allotment in the kingdom of God, neither is corruption enjoying the allotment of incorruption. Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed, in an instant, in the twinkle of an eye, at the last trump. For He will be trumpeting, and the dead will be roused incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality. Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory. Where, O Death, is your victory? Where, O Death, is your sting?" (1 Corinthians 15:40-55)

"I am charging you in the sight of God, Who is vivifying all, and of Jesus Christ, Who testifies in the ideal avowal before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this precept unspotted, irreprehensible, unto the advent of our Lord, Christ Jesus, which, to its own eras, the happy and only Potentate will be showing: He is King of kings and Lord of lords, Who alone has immortality, making His home in light inaccessible, Whom not one of mankind perceived nor can be perceiving, to Whom be honor and might eonian! Amen!" (1 Timothy 6:16)

"Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing. For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy is being abolished: death. For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all." (1 Corinthians 15:20-28)
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Rodger,
I know it's been said many times in many ways by many members, but here's another:  Thanks for all of the great posts!
Pat
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Marie, I've found the belief of life in death (the immortal soul), and thus specific places for said "dead" (who are really still alive), as early as Justin Martyr. That's just with a little research. The belief existed much earlier of course, but I have little idea how early it became populating Christians.
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#15 - Questions

In order to have a consistent, logical Biblical worldview, some questions about the Final Destiny of people must be answered. The Bible, to be credible, must be able to be logically explained. This is self-evident. As centuries have passed, ideas that were Orthodox, but unbiblical, have fallen away. Sometimes en masse, as during the Reformation. Sometimes more slowly, as with the gradual abolition of slavery, which was led and championed primarily by Christians.

Here are a few questions about the common Orthodoxy of Eternal Damnation.
 
If some people will end up in eternal torment, is God unable or unwilling to save them?  Logically, it must be one or the other. No tricky appeal to free-will can alleviate the tension of the question.
If we determine our destiny by our free will, then is not our will stronger than God's will? How do we deal with passages as in Romans 9 that says we cannot resist His will?
If some people will be tortured eternally, which is apparently the will of Satan, how is Satan a defeated foe? Doesn't eternal torment make Satan a partial victor?
How can there be "no more tears" if some people will be tormented forever?
How can we say that "His mercy endures forever!" if His mercy for us, in the most practical and real terms, ends if we do not choose to follow Christ before we die?
Given the Bible's revealed standards of righteous and justice (which are clear and not myterious at all), how is unending punishment just reward for temporary sin? Again, the Bible is clear on standards so saying "God's ways are not our ways" or "It's a mystery with God" is only an avoidance of a hard question. The question must be Biblically answered with justification from Scripture.
If God "gives up" on those who do not choose Jesus before death, how does the parable of the 100 Sheep, with 99 found and the master leaving the 99 to find the one lost one, make any sense?
Why does God give up on people after death?
If eternal Hell is the price for disobeying God and living in Sin, why did God hide that from Adam and Eve and promise a different penalty? Why did God hide the most horrific fate possible, torture in Hell forever, from mankind for entire Old Testament period (probably 4,000 years)?
How does the idea of Col 1:15-20 "restore All Things" (Ta Panta - The universal All in Greek) make any sense if some things are permanently and irrevocably isolated from and unrestored to God forever?
Why must an omnipotent, omniscient God, who describes Himself as "Love", settle for not having everything that has ever been made love and worship Him? Why must He settle for a divided creation in which some live in abundant joy and others live in mind-numbing torture? Is God really that weak or does He want that kind of reality?
Why do we think that our "will" is so absolutely free, when it is affected by every little thing around us and we rarely respond from thought alone, but often from instinct built in us from birth?
How can God be "All in All" as Revelation states He will be in the end if All is not in complete harmony with Him and His character of love, joy, peace, etc.?
Why did God create a place of unending torture in the first place?
How is God glorified in unending pain that does not lead to being restored to righteousness and a loving relationship to Christ?
These, and many more questions, must be answered scripturally and logically if the idea of an Eternal Torture is to be even considered as a Biblical possibility.
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