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Thank you so much Rose for your faithfulness in addressing for Aerex what is truly important.  :HeartThrob: You have such an exceptionally tender heart toward others.

Aerex, as Rose said, you are certainly not alone. I share much in common with you, even to the point of having tantrums of hate toward my Father and being suicidal, which has really affected my wife and young son.

I speak to you as one who is still currently in a furious struggle with all of this. I honestly believe that the fact that you have a struggle yourself shows me without doubt that there is life out of the death you are experiencing. You are speaking life, and I am speaking life, even though it seems far from it.

Think about it, does a person who is truly dead struggle to move? Your Father is not reacting to you. He is the very cause of how he is choosing to form his Son in you, and you are making choices in that process. Even in those times we deny him, he remains faithful. We are woven into the fabric of his very being in the person and body of Yeshua. How can he deny himself?

Certainly no easy answers, and not the answer we both want, which is "God, just change me right now so I don't have to struggle with my crap!" Oh, how often I have yelled that in his face. I think we all will be so amazed when we finally see on the other side of this physicality just how intimate he was with us in our darkest moments.

Ronen
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Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello All
« Last post by rosered on Today at 02:40:53 AM »

 
 Hi Kate ,

Just now saw your post


I really enjoyed it .  :HeartThrob:   God  bless  you  !    :thumbsup:
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Lounge / Re: What is " elect " all about
« Last post by rosered on Today at 02:31:34 AM »


  I loved the flow , it was  awesome and scripturally sound ...  James ..    :iagree:     :HeartThrob:
 
 scriptures that helped me also realize  the purpose of the "elect"
 Just as the prophets of their day were chosen   in the Old testament   , they had the Spirit of  prophecy  in them  , which is the testimony of Jesus Christ   
   
26"Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27"And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

earnest of   the spirit  a pledge deposit guarantee  13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.

Acts 20:28
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Acts 20:32
"Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

1 Corinthians 1:30
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

2 Corinthians 1:22
set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Ephesians 1:6
to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.

Ephesians 1:7
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace

Ephesians 1:11
In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,


I see these   scriptures as to   "given as elect" chosen   for Gods service   especially  ,  running the race   as only one   wins the prize  , being the Christ seed and sinless one not able to be corrupted ,  deposited in your heart by the Lord to  water and grow  as God gives the increase   of truth and grace .
 
 

 1 JOHN    God love though Christ
 Love Comes from God
8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

9By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.


10In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.


 Spirit of God   &   spirit of Christ    BEING THE TRUTH AND GRACE    =  Propitiation is the act of appeasing or making well-disposed a deity, thus incurring divine favor or avoiding divine retribution=punishment that is considered to be morally right and fully deserved:

Romans 8
 
 
 9However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.


 But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.


I see this as the fulfilling of the law  [ Christ come to fulfill the law  and the seed deposited  in your heart ,  Cheist in you the hope of glory ]    having Both the Father and the Son  , Jesus come  to   show us the LOVE OF GODS  HEART  towards  mankind  ,
        the fulness of Him dwells    BY THE HOLY SPIRIT    where true  love and forgiveness   begins   within to be completed     [made whole]

10If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.= an attribute that implies that a person's actions are justified, and can have the connotation that the person has been "judged" or "reckoned" as leading a life that is pleasing to God.

John 14:17
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

John 14:23
Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
 
 Without faith   it is impossible to please God     , and  Christ in you is the hope of glory and   Love is the greatest thing  , and  these 3   are given   though Jesus Christ when he poured out His own spirit on all flesh    and in the HOLY SPIRIT   , the Father & the Son   and all those gathered already in Christ       is  ministering LIFE     to us     ...
 
 I have considered the     12 manner of fruits   on both sides of the river   in Rev  22 as being the tree of Life   that those  whom inherit   incorruption [incorruptible seed   , Christ in you   growing in truth and grace ]    the Lambs  book of life , those lambs   that are Christ seed /Word of God .. handled word of life John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:4
In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 1 peter 1 The Word of the Lord Stands Forever
22Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart, 23for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

 The River of Life
1Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him;

Genesis 2:9
The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground--trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Ezekiel 47:12
Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing."

Zechariah 14:8
On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

Revelation 2:7
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.



Revelation 22:14
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

Revelation 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

 
 Several scriptures and tried not to say much ..lol :gimmefive:
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  Dear Seth I do not believe anyone wants to be evil on purpose .
 
      I believe after we come to Christ we are  in the battle of our lives  , between  to natures
 one of heaven and the other of earth      , this is where   many of us stumble and fall and fail   
  I do believe God does  turn one over to the destruction of the flesh  nature   for in the DAY OF THE LORD they shall be saved   
 
    How   ever long it takes or often   , until one is so sin sick and lost they have nothing  to give  up , but surrender  ,  than can God actually  have  use   for them   

The animal nature   just as it started    has an end   ..
  We see this in the natural on a daily basis     
  beast natures    for the most part are fear driven or     fierce   and forced  upon  the weaker  natured
 
 I have seen literal attacks     come from  temperamental      dogs  , they have no control over it ,  they are   actually driven by it   
  I see the evil natured   no different    , they  either get old or  sick or literally die   fighting      before that end comes .
 
   For me this is the sickness unto death that we are told not to pray for  that 
 
 and it might be better if they did , there is torment in fear  driven beasts  and the carnal mind is a death sentence
 
 I may be off  in thinking   but after  reading   above    on your post     ,,,   I want evil to end    , I can hardly wait till  we never ever have to deal with it again !!!
 
   This is my joy to know that it will end   for everyone   who suffers with it or because of it       :HeartThrob:

 :iagree: :HeartThrob:
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Good reply rosie.  I wanted to answer Aerex, but felt sort of unsure of what to say.  It was "your turn" and  you answered the bell.  :)

  He mentioned me by name      James  , I   love that young man    , we want what is best for him  and  glad he can speak openly   what is bothering him
 
  I wanted him to know he is never alone  , many can relate  to his  experiences   and God is Love  and love is an action word  :HeartThrob:
 
  We can all get in the wrong , but the thing is not to stay in the wrong ...
 I know forgiveness is one of the most beautiful   attributes     of Jesus Christ   message   to us all
 
  If He forgives us  of any wrong   doing  we should all   be willing  to   forgive one another   that is the least we can do  , to show Him we love  Him back     .
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  Dear Seth I do not believe anyone wants to be evil on purpose .
 
      I believe after we come to Christ we are  in the battle of our lives  , between  to natures
 one of heaven and the other of earth      , this is where   many of us stumble and fall and fail   
  I do believe God does  turn one over to the destruction of the flesh  nature   for in the DAY OF THE LORD they shall be saved   
 
    How   ever long it takes or often   , until one is so sin sick and lost they have nothing  to give  up , but surrender  ,  than can God actually  have  use   for them   

The animal nature   just as it started    has an end   ..
  We see this in the natural on a daily basis     
  beast natures    for the most part are fear driven or     fierce   and forced  upon  the weaker  natured
 
 I have seen literal attacks     come from  temperamental      dogs  , they have no control over it ,  they are   actually driven by it   
  I see the evil natured   no different    , they  either get old or  sick or literally die   fighting      before that end comes .
 
   For me this is the sickness unto death that we are told not to pray for  that 
 
 and it might be better if they did , there is torment in fear  driven beasts  and the carnal mind is a death sentence
 
 I may be off  in thinking   but after  reading   above    on your post     ,,,   I want evil to end    , I can hardly wait till  we never ever have to deal with it again !!!
 
   This is my joy to know that it will end   for everyone   who suffers with it or because of it       :HeartThrob:
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If someone is going to make a statement about what another person believes but not back it up, that person shouldn't make the statement. If I ever said anything about Ephesians 2 being about salvation from the Law, please show me where, or don't say it. Don't just drop it on a guy and then check out. Back up what you say.

Start at page 13 reply 308 and show me anywhere where I said that Ephesians 2 was about salvation from works of the Law or that it was an extension of Romans 4.
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Good reply rosie.  I wanted to answer Aerex, but felt sort of unsure of what to say.  It was "your turn" and  you answered the bell.  :)
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I apologize for not responding sooner. I had to reflect on what you guys said and I didn't want to rant about how I was feeling without considering what you guys said. I do appreciate it and I know that what I struggle with many are struggling with as well. I just don't understand after all these years (6-7) I have not changed who I am. I still struggle with sins since my childhood (mainly sexual immorality). I thought that God might change me over the years but nothing has happened. There has been periods of my life that I just simply give up. I am just not cut out to be a child of God. It would have been better if I am was ignorant of the truth now I am always ashamed.

Rosered I know you ask me why I am came to this site and the main reason is because in my heart I could not believe that God would send people to hell. I know I deserve hell but I hoped that God would loving and powerful enough to save everyone even Satan. It was my dream and I never voiced it out because I thought it was sacrilegious, blasphemous, and too hopeful. I was greatly surprised that there were people around the world who believed the same things. I was equally surprised that the translations of the Word of God have been corrupted sometimes intentionally and sometimes not intentionally. I always though that the Word of God was incorruptible especially the translations. I figured that God in His wisdom would keep it that way. I guess I was wrong. Now I am at the crosswords not knowing what to do. I certainly don't have the power to make the right decisions at every moment of my life and I don't know if God will be the one making the choices for me. I know I am supposed to do what God says but if I am honest with myself I don't think I want do do what God says. I don't want to make conflict with anyone and most part I just want to be left alone so I avoid any conflict. I am hoping that this site will help me with my issues in someway and I thank you all for having the patience to tolerate me.


 Dear   Aerex,
 
 Please forgive me for not  being able to help you ...
 
 God knows ..........
 
 You are so young and  way to hard on yourself  ,
 I know God loves you   so very much   and he will never give up on you ..
 
 I was exactly where you were at  in my twenties  and I prayed and  failed   and  guilty also of sexual immorality
 
 I hated it  , yet I could not stop it  either ..
 
  Those were some awful times  and experiences  :CryBaby:
 
 But dont give up , God knows if your trying  and He looks at our hearts   
  They matter the most
 
   Remember the one forgiven of much ,  loves much       
 God is waiting patiently  for you to come to HIM   in a surrender of all   and how many times it takes
 
 Your convictions   as troubling as they may be at this time , are for your benefit   because you are loved
 
 I hope  you will  know this  one day   and  that  all the doubts   are removed .........
 
 When we turn to the Lord  Jesus Christ  for our help   and pleas  , He will not fail you ..

 I know that seems  hard to believe  right now  , but  the more you   ask  Him  and seeking Him , He will come to you  .. believe me  many of us can  claim   this as truth .
 
 Your dream  ?   
  God has poured out His Holy Spirit  ,  believing  in the Lord is a great start  in  you   and     the Lord has done this....... He is there for you    and we all here are  for you to ...
Joel   ........   Gods promise  done in Christ .
 Then it will come about at a later time that I will pour out my Spirit on every person.

 Your sons and your daughters will prophesy. Your elderly people will dream dreams, and your young people will see visions.
 
 I am one whom is glad you are here   Aerex    ... :HeartThrob:    prayers
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