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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Never hearing about Jesus
« Last post by jojoross on April 24, 2014, 08:28:40 PM »
Amen to that Seth!  Thanks!
Christian Life / Mind of Christ vs. Carnal Mind
« Last post by donken on April 24, 2014, 07:50:47 PM »
Hi.   I believe there is a common misconception about the makeup of the carnal mind as opposed to the mind of Christ, at least for some of us.  We read in Romans 6 that the carnal mind is enmity with or contrary to the mind {law} of God.  What I believe we sometimes forget is that the mind of Christ knows everything the carnal mind does, and more.  It is just that the mind of Christ has all things of the world and of God placed in a proper perspective according to the truth of the knowledge and experience of both good and evil.  Man is automatically born with desires that are self centered and selfish in us and also with the seed of God in us that is the source of all the true good things mankind does do in the world.   When we believe that God is like the spirit of the world and like the spirit of the Old Testimony that is to pass away by being understood as an OLD belief, we are still carnal.  We can say, we are worldly and in agreement mentally and spiritually with the ways and works of the world. 
In that belief through the spirit of man that is in us naturally at birth and as children, we believe God does evil to evil doers.  Christianity has believed in times past as we know, that God does both the good works and the evil or harmful afflictive destructive works that are mentioned in the Old Testimony which is of man.  The old Testament is the spirit of the first covenant, of the man that is to become understood as the state and mind and condition of OUR OWN OLD MAN.  That is the man, the child, that is to PASS AWAY by being replaced by the more mature or adult condition of Jesus Christ through the dominion of the Spirit or LIFE of GOD in us as our Spiritually Married condition.
The mind of Christ knows about and has experienced the results of both good and evil events and experiences in the world but is able to DIVIDE them apart correctly.  This begins through Faith In God through the witness of Jesus Christ that shows that GOD does no violence, is harmless to man and the physical world, and loves all people even when they are evil and reject HIM.   Being forgiving of slights in the world toward us is GOOD FOR THE FORGIVER.  Forgiving someone does not necessarily change them, but it will change us from a carnally ruled individual to a mature Christian individual along with fulfilling all the other witness of Jesus Christ WITHIN US.  We are what we willingly and agreeably obey.  If we obey Jesus because we believe His witness is the true witness of OUR FATHER in us then we will eventually become Jesus Christ and also be ONE WITH OUR FATHER who is in us as our LORD also.   The kingdom of GOD is to be within us, Scripture tells us.  So should our heart tell us and thus the mind of Christ, the mind of the Spirit of God.

Having the mind of Christ does not mean we will not be wise about evil, but we will know God does not do the evil and neither are we to do the evil.  The mind of Christ is a renewed mind.  The scripture says we are to RENEW THE SPIRIT of our mind, it does not say we are to "forget" what we learned while in the carnal mind.  The carnal mind is really the mind that is of the spirit or ways of the world, believing that God is both a doer of the good things that are in the world {love} and also will do or already does the evil things in the world and will do them to people.

The mind of Christ is the mind that knows the truth of God but also has God's wisdom about all the things of the mind we had in and through the ways of the world.  The mind of Christ will teach us to correctly separate the tares in us from the wheat that is also in us.  WE will begin to have the ways of the lusts of the flesh divided out from among the lusts of the Spirit and we will and are to follow ONLY the ways of the Spirit of GOD as being of GOD.  As said, we can satisfy the needs of the body while we are in the world, but we are not to do evil to anyone or harm anyone or take improper advantage of any one to satisfy those needful appetites that are of the body only.

As Matthew 13 tells us about the harvest time.  The tares are to be BOUND FIRST.  They are not entirely removed "at first".  They are to be bound or kept within the parameters of Jesus Christ while we are in a flesh and blood body in the world.   Love God, our {any} neighbor, and ourselves equally.  Choose the good and refuse the evil.  The carnal or worldly mind is one that believes that some of the evil is done by God upon people and therefore okay for them to do also while naming the name of Jesus Christ and or God as their reason.  The carnal mind is enmity or against the mind of Christ we read.  The carnal mind is a mind that can have knowledge and a faith about God and believe and know many things but has them in an improper perspective.  If we do evil to "bad people, our enemies" as we may think of them, and do that evil in the name of God, we are simply establishing our own ideas and ways or righteousness and have not subjected our selves to the righteousness of God.

Pro_11:6  The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them: but transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness.

Rom_10:3  For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Love in Christ.  Ken
Book of Revelation / Re: A tender aspect to the book of Revelation
« Last post by donken on April 24, 2014, 07:21:12 PM »
Hello Glenda.   I read your note and agree that scripture is about both Spiritual and literal things.  This could also be said to be about things God is going to do and does spiritually within the living creatures and people in the creation, and about things that man does physically in the world motivated by the desires of both good and evil desires from WITHIN him.  Man uses life from God to bring forth "evil inventions" as the bible calls them. Man and the other living creatures in the creation can only do any works, either good or evil, because they are alive in the world.   The works of man through the desires that exist within him {good "and" evil} using the life God gave to the creation as his ability to do any works at all, bring forth physical manifestations {results} of those desires in man.   Man does both good and evil things at various times and for various "spiritual" reasons.  Anger and envy and so on are also "spiritual" drives in the sense that if one does an autopsy on a dead person they do not find either the desires {lusts} of the flesh nor the desires and life of GOD in the body of the dead person.
God has said as you know I am sure, that He is going to make the INSIDE {spirit} clean FIRST and then the works of the body will be clean.  The body will then be the temple of God in a far more explicit and true manner.  God bypasses the flesh body entirely and does not harm the body, and works directly with the spiritual desires in man, removing those that are enmity against God and strengthening and establishing fully those that are of the divine nature and wisdom.  God does no physical violence to anyone and those who believe that will begin to live that and those who do not believe it will not believe it because they are not yet able to DO IT.  If we believe God does no evil, then we are able to be empowered by God within us to do so.  But we must do it by believing it "FIRST" and after we have endured for a while, we will be established and strengthened, as Scripture records we will be.  This "is" the day of the Lord when we begin to "see" things {understand correctly} about these things.

There is a quite natural assumption about the carnal mind I believe that causes us to naturally think off line a bit.  For instance, the carnal mind is the mind of the spirit that is in the world.  In the world we experience both good and evil events either through others or by being included in these events by our physical presence or by those we love having good or evil things happen to them as well as to us.   The carnal mind in a believer is a mind set that believes the mind of the world or things and ways of the world are the ways of God also.   They believe God will do evil to people at the "end" as His judgment upon them.  But the truth is that it is evil that does the evil, not God who is only Good.  That is why scripture says that it is our own ways upon us that will correct us and also teach us.  But they only teach us well when we have the mind of Christ.  Good teaches about good and evil desires and occurrences teach about evil.  Evil can not teach one about good and good does not minister about evil.  So... we are to minister the Spirit that GIVES life ONLY as being the Spirit that is GOD.  Anything that is contrary to God's goodness is a lie and therefore is "of the enmity" that is contrary to God's way\Spirit.  As Christians we are asked to remain good only and give good response in ourselves from any evil seen or done in the world, even when done to us.  The promise is that we will be strengthened by God within us IF we do so often enough unto doing it eternally.

The mind of Christ STILL knows the things of both good and evil but no longer believes God does the evil to ANYONE. The mind of Christ in us is an understanding that all evil, harmful, death producing works and results are not of the Spirit or nature of God.   The mind of Christ is the mind in a believer that is able to separate the tares or things that are not of God in the world and in ourselves from among those that are the ways and desires of God in the world and in ourselves.   The knowledge about both remains but is correctly understood in the mind of Christ in a believer and the things we come to know as being ONLY of the flesh desires are kept within the parameters of Jesus Christ while we are in the world.  This is the condition of spiritual maturity in Christ in the world that is now entering into our knowledge. We are to be the Spirit if God by and as we obey Christ more and more unto actual Christ likeness.  The true spiritual image of GOD is now to be established within us while still in the world in a flesh and blood body.  This means we will be like Jesus Christ was in Israel.   

The tares or lusts of the flesh will be bound by the Spirit of Christ in us and kept within the limitations allowed for them in the world.  We will still have to eat for the needs of the body for instance, but we will no linger allow those type of needful appetites to steal food or money etc. in order to satisfy our bodily needs and desires.   We are not to do harm or take advantage of others to obtain what we need physically.

The is how God makes the inside clean and then as we are one with God by being His nature internally, we will keep the outside or body clean, making it walk in obedient loving righteousness that is of God, just like Jesus did in Israel.  Go and sin no more he said.  At that state, we too will be one with the Father that is in us, Eternal life which is all the attributes of the divine nature and the wisdom of God.

Thank you.  Ken
Hellbusters Hallow / Hell Is A Lie
« Last post by Tom on April 24, 2014, 05:38:06 PM »
Book of Revelation / Re: the Manchild.....symbol of what?
« Last post by soldier7 on April 24, 2014, 05:23:46 PM »
I believe the Manchild represents the overcoming remnant of the church.  From

"Jesus speaks about two groups of sheep. Jesus is the shepherd of both groups. He also spoke about two
kingdoms, an inward spiritual kingdom and a literal earthly kingdom. Both groups of sheep have access to the
inward spiritual kingdom, but only one group will inherit the physical earthly kingdom. These two subjects are
closely related and intertwined.
Luke 12:32 Fear not. Little Flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom.
John 10:14-16 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth
me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And Other Sheep I have. which are Not of
this Fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Jesus speaks of 2 groups of sheep in John 21, the "Arnions" and the "Probatons" One group are" Rams"
masc., and the others are fem. "Ewes." One flock is the "Manchild" and the other is the "Church." Both groups
belong to Jesus and he loves them both. But we find that of the two flocks of sheep, only the little flock, will
inherit the Kingdom. In Christ All will be made alive, but not all receive the same reward.
John 21:15-17 Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith
unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him. Feed my LAMBS (RAMS - Gr.
Arnions).16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him.
Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him. Feed my SHEEP (EWES • Gr. Probatons).17 He
saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto
him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him. Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I
love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my SHEEP (EWES •Gr. Probatons). (KJV)
There are two groups of sheep, one masculine (rams) and the others feminine (ewes). One group is destined
to give birth, and the other is destined to rule and reign on earth. The Hebrew also reflects this difference in
sheep, Kebes (Lamb) and Kibsah (Ewe). In the Old Testament the word Lamb is always a Ram. These 2
groups are also seen in Revelation 12 when the Woman/Church/Ewes gives birth to the
Manchild/Remnant/Rams. The purpose of the church is to bring forth the manchild company, who will
overcome Satan and death."

My spirit was really confirming this message when I first read it.


Oklahoma... One of the few states I haven't been to.  I'd love to make it there one day.  In any case, it is good that we can meet in this fashion when so many miles separate us.

God bless!  Jon
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello from Maryland!
« Last post by jasman on April 24, 2014, 04:05:06 PM »
Amen to your initial post Soldier7!  Great to have you here with us.

#536 – BODY AND MIND – George Moore

"Every soul that is out of keeping with divine order must remain, in the license of a perverse will, forever vile, until restored to the dominion of truth by the attractiveness of light, and the miseries of darkness."
Lounge / Re: Reincarnation
« Last post by josh on April 24, 2014, 01:20:08 PM »
oh my no post here for 120 days
and here i was about to comment that it is good to see more positive interest in reincarnation..or so it seems in terms of what i had noted
on some earlier visits to it seems i might need to post elsewhere
if the powers that be of have accepted reincarnation
along the lines even of the edgar cayce material :)
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Hello from Maryland!
« Last post by soldier7 on April 24, 2014, 10:45:58 AM »
Thanks for the friendly welcome! I would have joined earlier but had no regular internet. Praise God for all of you here!
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