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Word Studies / Re: Divine Fire? Alexander Thomson
« Last post by Cardinal on August 04, 2015, 08:17:30 PM »
 :cloud9: Curious, isn't it? Could be. I've always wondered about the "why" of that.....
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Word Studies / Re: Hidden Message in the Sun
« Last post by Cardinal on August 04, 2015, 08:15:47 PM »
 :cloud9: You know this really spoke to me and as I've been meditating on it comparing spiritual to natural, something occurred to me. We know that people are described as waters (no coincidence that we are composed of mostly water, eh?), and stones can be the Word or even one scripture. So is t any wonder that we have all felt compelled as children to throw a small stone into a body of water to watch the ripples it makes?

Take that into the Spirit, and when we cast a scripture at someone in His love, and it hits spirit not flesh as a result, it ripples and magnifies in the heart of the person, and does not return void.

It reminds me of something He showed me many years ago with the scene where Paul was in the boat and it says they "sounded" (means to measure the depth by throwing something in with a rope attached) and found the depth to be 20 fathoms and then they sounded again closer to shore and found the depth to be 15 fathoms.

The word used for sounded relates to the word for parable. So essentially, when Jesus used parables He was "sounding" for the depth of their water/Spiritual understanding. The closer to shore/their "earth", the shallower the water/spiritual understanding. And so He rebuked an elder in Israel for not understanding one of His parables.

This principle illustrates why we must seek to be led and anointed of the Spirit in our sharing with others one on one because only the Spirit can bypass the flesh/earth and hit the target heart/spirit of man, because His arrows always hit the mark. Blessings....
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Lounge / Re: Homosexuals. Are they accepted?
« Last post by Cardinal on August 04, 2015, 07:53:36 PM »
 :cloud9: Thanks Dandelion for pointing out something I didn't cover. I didn't mean to imply that all of them are happy with their "choice" or that to them it was as "easy" as a choice. I had a friend from High School who was one of 20 boys molested by their postman, who gave in to it in college, ended up calling his mother at 3am lots of times, crying saying he didn't want to be that way. He ended up abandoned by his family when he got AIDS, dying in another State. My heart broke for him when I heard his story from a family friend.

As to why most Christian ministries trying to deal with the situation are not effective, I recently discovered some spiritual truths. A 3 way cord is needed to get people released out of the pit of their emotions, where Leviathan drags them down the bottom. Ever try to get 3 people to agree to fast and pray for someone for months? God blessed me to have someone that agreed with me and did for my daughter, and she was finally released (not homosexual, but serious drug addiction).

The root problem lies in the emotions, part of what was alluded to in Peter's sinking into the whipped up waves. As a result of this, my daughter was set free in one hour on my living room couch, and ONLY God gets the glory because no rehab, ect. was used. She is the beginning of what I believe is many like miracles as she knows her God and walks in her calling. To God be all the glory.

I believe this applies because I've personally never met a homosexual or lesbian that was not molested as a child. The emotional pain and shame this brings onto the victim, is the hold Leviathan gets and dragging down begins.

This homosexual phenonmenon is one of the last gasps of a dying nation, and I agree with EW about the flood. All major civilizations that fell had 3 things in common. 1) Homosexuality became rampant, 2) abuse or murder of children became the norm, 3) abuse or euthanasia of the elderly became rampant.

This topic should be on the prayer lists of all Christians because they are openly being taken over by darkness and most Christians seem to only be content with either condemning them or standing idly by and watching their destruction. Who is our brother's keeper?

I am so grieved in my Spirit right now over what is happening to Bruce Jenner as he continues to fall prey to this thing, mutilating his body to it's fulfillment, the whole time being deceived to the extent that he honestly believes he is doing some great thing for humanity, while all the audience to this Satanic plan cheers him for his "courage" and "honesty". Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of others, many of them children, trying to wrestle with this thing without a clue what they are up against.

I cannot help but think of what a horror it will be in the Lord's return when he is restored to his right mind, to realize he has mutilated himself at the unction of a demonic spirit that attached itself to him in childhood. God help us all, for we will give an accounting as well. This nation will be judged and that judgment will not be forthcoming much longer.

I think there is a way to discuss this subject that is spiritually fruitful and maybe helpful to someone struggling with it behind this screen, and a way to discuss it that is titillating to the flesh. I believe we are currently in the former category, and so I can't apologize for adding my  :2c:  Blessings....
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Lounge / Re: The adversary's gender?
« Last post by rosered on August 04, 2015, 05:37:30 PM »
 
Eph 6  The Full Armor of God
11Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.


12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood,

but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.


 13Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.



2 Thessalonians 2Good News Translation (GNT)

The Wicked One
2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to be with him: I beg you, my friends, 2 not to be so easily confused in your thinking or upset by the claim that the Day of the Lord has come. Perhaps it is thought that we said this while prophesying or preaching, or that we wrote it in a letter. 3 Do not let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until the final Rebellion takes place and the Wicked One appears, who is destined to hell. 4 He will oppose every so-called god or object of worship and will put himself above them all. He will even go in and sit down in God's Temple and claim to be God.

5 Don't you remember? I told you all this while I was with you. 6 Yet there is something that keeps this from happening now, and you know what it is. At the proper time, then, the Wicked One will appear. 7 The Mysterious Wickedness is already at work, but what is going to happen will not happen until the one who holds it back is taken out of the way. 8 Then the Wicked One will be revealed, but when the Lord Jesus comes, he will kill him with the breath from his mouth and destroy him with his dazzling presence. 9 The Wicked One will come with the power of Satan and perform all kinds of false miracles and wonders, 10 and use every kind of wicked deceit on those who will perish. They will perish because they did not welcome and love the truth so as to be saved. 11 And so God sends the power of error to work in them so that they believe what is false. 12 The result is that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken pleasure in sin, will be condemned.
 
 1John 3  ove One Another
11For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another; 12not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother. And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother's were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, brethren, if the world hates you.
 
   1 John 4:1-6



1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.


 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,


 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

 And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.


 4You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.


5They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them.


 6We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
 
   the spirit of error  does not know God  at all ,  and Christ is not in them to overcome the world    by thse scriptures
  But  the devils  do know God and tremble ??   
 
  James 2 18But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works." 19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.


20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?


This example to me is of the   scribes Pharisees and hypocrites    they Believed in ONE GOD   and yet    , because Jesus told them      2 things     , 1 that they  had no place in there hearts for His Word in them     or accepting Him as their Savior   and   2   they were of the their father the devil and them works/ fruit  is what they produced !! 
 
   James lets us know  by Jesus saying without faith it is impossible to please God and    when I return will I find faith in the earth .... 
 
  faith produces the works or fruits of the HOLY SPIRIT   [peace & joy   etc ..   edification to the BODY OF CHRIST ]  BY CHRIST  Spirit dwelling within them     ,

  the lack  of this    is the spirit of error in my opinion
 
  and is prone to violence   , harm     and full of evil   darkness   major     lack of light / true knowledge of God  in Christ anointing   and works totally against Christ Spirit   of Love  and Life !
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Lounge / Re: The adversary's gender?
« Last post by micah7:9 on August 04, 2015, 04:42:33 PM »
:cloud9: @ Micah....He plants seed just like the Spirit, for one. For another, the sons of God came before God and Satan was among them. I'll leave the language particulars to EW, Ronin, or WW.

And on a personal note; ever hear one? They sound like a male dog trying to speak English, for lack of a better description. Had one's voice supernaturally imprinted on a commercial music tape once during a close call in battle of someone, but so many people wanted to hear it, it got lost in the shuffle. Made believers of several unsaved people in a hurry first, though. It's not just the sound, it's the pure evil behind it that goes thru your very soul.

@ Ed....too funny.... :winkgrin:

"And on a personal note; ever hear one?" Yeah, why?
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Lounge / Re: The adversary's gender?
« Last post by micah7:9 on August 04, 2015, 04:04:48 PM »
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Lounge / Re: Homosexuals. Are they accepted?
« Last post by Dandelion on August 04, 2015, 03:56:59 PM »
Quickly, in response. To my knowledge, there is no really effective  program for assisting homosexuals out there. There are some attempts, but with little good results.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

This is a pattern I see most often. The child grows up, different and confused. Gets to adolescence or adulthood, and realizes they are homosexual. They and their family are in chaos. The person becomes seriously depressed, often attempting suicide, going to extensive counseling, all kinds of programs, shock-therapy out of state, and so on. This could go on for years. Then one day, they realize if they don't accept who they are on some level, they will either kill themselves or destroy themselves from medication for depression and so on. So, they try to come to grips with the situation, as best as they can. They often resent now, the rest of the world telling them to just stop being a homosexual, after they have gone through all the emotional issues they have had to deal with, and all the treatments that did not work. They have watched their family struggle, as well, and sometimes their parents, spouse or children almost be destroyed.

Then, they decide, I am a homosexual, let me live my life as faithful to God as I can, which can take a few different turns, at this point. They still are on anti-depressents their entire life; go to therapy and struggle, every single day. They dodge the bullets of fellow Christians, continually, both individually and corporately.

They live a lonely existence, with few people who know who they really are. Sometimes, they are a Pastor or some type of Christian minister, and the bullets are more plentiful and more frequent then. But, they go on and praise the Lord, and try to make their lives count for something to bring about God's kingdom.  They love the people who, if they really knew who they were, would do whatever they could to stop them from ministering in a Christian setting. They love and honor a God, whom they sometimes feel bewildered by, as they don't know what to do with their dilemma. They are perplexed why, if they are not to be homosexual, there seems no answer to stop them from being so.

With all the praying, Christian counseling, serving God, and so on, there seems no respite to them.

And they are often very, very alone and lonely people.

This is what the Lord has given me a front seat to. 

Perhaps that better explains my own struggle and upset. As I said, I love them, am there for them, and keep my belief that God wanted a union between a man and a woman, to make a family. I don't understand all the reasons homosexuality happens. Sometimes, I have no good answers for my friends. I must remember not to focus on their storm, but on Christ, as in every aspect of life. It is not always easy for me, I will admit. Their pain is so intense and permeating............ But, I believe God can do the impossible.....I never lose hope, for any situation, and keep the door open for the miracles that could happen.

Thank you again jabcat and eaglesway, for your input. Thanks to ed, as well. It is appreciated.

Please keep myself and my dear friends and family in prayer. We all could so use it.

D.
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Lounge / Re: Homosexuals. Are they accepted?
« Last post by ed on August 04, 2015, 03:27:45 PM »
Mixed up?

I learned of the Spirit through experience with the Spirit.  The Book came into play afterwards.

Sure, I was raised in a legalistic fundamentalist church, but I did not meet Christ there.  I met Christ searching for love.

I learned to stick with the Spirit even in my sin.  As an adolescent, I struggled with the same flesh struggle all of us boys do.  I condemned myself for it, but I stuck with Christ and found that Christ stuck with me.

I'm 50 now and sex pretty much is not the struggle.  I struggle with a wife who struggles with faith.  I understand her and love her, and I may be the only one who does, aside from Christ who carries her.   I struggle with a step son who has no conscious of stealing and boundaries and can not overcome addiction...........his son is the reason he still abides in my house.  I have to learn to not hate in the midst of being taken advantage of.  I'd be happier if the boy was gay and had a sound mind.  The only relief I find is to love, and not hate.  I must overlook the sin, in order to love.  "Love covers the multitude of sin".

Christ ministers to us in the midst of our sin, and not half heatedly, we get all of His love.  He does not care if you are gay, He loves, and wants you to do the same.

The SCOTUSA has done us all a favor.  There is no gender in Christ, there is no sex in Christ, there is no marriage in the kingdom of heaven other then us to Christ.

Politics can infuriate people, but in Christ there is no politics.  We always get back to the Kingdom within each individual.  No one individual is better then another, all of us are united in that one Word of God, Jesus Christ.

Have to clock in, I'm sure I did not get to my point if I had one.

Enjoyed all of your sharing.

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Lounge / Re: Homosexuals. Are they accepted?
« Last post by Patinak on August 04, 2015, 11:49:20 AM »
Cardinal,
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my inquiry.  I will be thinking about what you wrote.

I also wanted to say that I appreciate 'hearing' the thoughts and ideas of everyone who writes on the forum.
I wish I could meet all of you guys.

Pat
 
 
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Lounge / Re: Homosexuals. Are they accepted?
« Last post by jabcat on August 04, 2015, 10:20:46 AM »
You didn't re-open it D, and I'm yacking away too  LOL   :LH:.  Hey, once it's back on the table, well, "here we go".   :coffee:   Probably something good comes of it, one way or another.

I don't personally always (hardly ever) know how to do this or do it well.  I'm more so talking about ideas, ideals, things I believe we should stand for and encourage, as I understand from the scriptures and hopefully the Spirit's leading.

Again, if someone's struggling, then God bless and help them.  We should love and encourage them/each other.

If someone's deceived, blatantly rebellious and being deceiving, then I think there's a place for correction - but only as scripturally sound, in love/the right spirit, and as LED by the SPIRIT. 
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