One of the problems with the church is folks are taught to not question its authority not because it's the mediator between God and man but because the church doesn't have the answers to your questions. Only Christ is the mediator between God and man, and I think only the inspired written word of God has your answers. You need to read an accurate translation though. My questions led me to leave the Roman Catholic Church in my teens and then the Protestant Church a few years later because both contradict the word of God. Now, when I say "church," I mean both because they both have the same basic doctrine even though Rome has some extra crazy stuff going on. The word "church" is not even scriptural. It is an intentional mistranslation of the Greek "ekklesia," literally "out-called," accurately translated "ecclesia" which is the "body of Christ" called out of the world. The church is part of the world system. You were right to question despite the warning. That's how you eventually found the truth. God bless you.
Ronny to Tom:
Thank you Tom. :-)
And I'm sure,that over 99.9% of all I was taught in my home church,I never questioned. I was just that well brainwashed,to listen to and believe some people,instead of simply listening to and believing God. And as I've said in another post,right after God saved me, I went out at that Baptist Bible camp and told everyone in earshot,about what God had just done for me. :-) Well,I then wanted everyone to have the exact same type of relationship with God,as I then had. The day after this,was the end of the Bible camp and a brother and I went on to another town and to a church,where he knew some people there. While he talked to them,I looked for and found some gospel tracts there,got them and walked out on the street a ways. Stopped in front of a big store and started passing those tracts out to people,who were coming and going from there. I was scared! :-) Guess I was afraid someone might bite my head off or some such! :-) LoL But no one did and everyone was nice to me,smiling,etc. But I never said a word to anyone,for I was too scared to. :-) Well,I was a 16 year old kid,who was growing up in rural,small town NE Texas. The only people I knew that well,were from my small church and very small rural school. I think there were all of 15 kids,in my high school graduating class! And less than 40 members,in my local church! And I think I was seldom if ever in the presence of a stranger,without family or some friends around. Yet there I was 2,000 miles from home and passing out gospel tracts to people,who were complete strangers to me! So It was scared;but yet God,the love of God,compelled me to do such. For God had saved me, the day before and as I've said,I then wanted/desired for all people to then have the same type of relationship with God,as I then had. Then on the plane ride back home,I shared with my seatmate,about what God had just done for me. Back home and in church and I simply set in church and waited for church leadership to tell me what to do then. I thought we would have visitation and passing out of tracts,etc;but we never did. That really surprised me at first;but then I'd been taught there,that church leadership knew best and I was to follow there example. And what ever their teaching and example was, why,that had to be right and best. Or so I was brought up in church,taught to believe.
I still remember the first time I disobeyed church leadership and chose to obey God instead and that,simply because I knew it was the right thing to do. We had a 7 day church revival meeting every year and church people were expected to go out and invite others to that. I was out driving around one year and doing just that. Just going from house to house and inviting people to come to our revival meeting. Then I came upon a house where I saw several black men sitting out front. Now I knew my church leaders wouldn't want me inviting those men to our church. What to do?! Well,I did what I knew God would have me to do,I did what I knew was the right thing to do. I simply stopped, talked to them and invited them to our church revival meeting. I should put in here,my parents taught me right on this matter,before church leadership could teach me different and wrong. For in my growing up,both of my parents taught me,I was not to look up to or down on anyone,because of the material things they had or didn't have or because of the color of their skin. So my parents taught me right on that,before I was old enough to see that some of our church leadership felt and taught differently on the matter.
And I did love my home church pastor;but he was racist. An irony was,that in later years I found out that his "white" family,was actually part black! (ha) Then later on than that,I also learned that my "white" family,was also part black! (ha) And from a very young age, I knew I was part white and part Native American Indian. Then I found out,I also had some black ancestors. So as I put it then,I'm a perfectly good 100% American mutt! :-) LoL
And I agree with you about the RCC and Protestant churchs. They all have some things wrong. And in my time online,I've posted with some people from both groups. And made some mad at me,in each group. :-) And from somethings I've read,I would say you're also right in saying that the word church,is not scriptural. And you're right,that we, who are the presently saved of God in this age,we are the called out ones. For God calls out and saves people,at the time of God's choosing. P.S. I need to read some more about that,about the word church. I have read some on that in the past;but that's been awhile back now.
Tom to Ronny:
Racism is a sad fact of life that is really nonsense if you think about it because, if you go back far enough, we're all related. I would like to have seen the looks on the faces of the racist "Christians" when the black folks showed up for your revival. I attached a screenshot showing different translations of the Greek "ekklesia." I quit reading the King James Version and using the word "church" for "ecclesia" a long time ago. I know some folks like the word "church," but I think the "church" is the world religious organization distinct from the "ecclesia" which is the "body of Christ."
Ronny to Tom:
Thank you for that. :-) And as I've said,I need to do more reading and studying on such.
I have done some previously and can see why the word church is not a good translation. But if and when I use the word church,I simply mean those who have been born of God.
Recently,I was reading in a BMA Baptist monthly paper. My oldest Sis gets that,because she's a BMA church member. In one article,a guy was telling why he was proud to be a Baptist;but before he finished, he made it plain that what he was proud of being,was a BMA Baptist,thank you! :-) I have thought about emailing him and simply asking him, if he believes the BMA,is the one and only true church of God? Because I'm not sure how they believe and teach on that part?
And you're right,that racism is a sad fact of life and right as well,that all us human beings are related! :-) After all,we all come from God and by way of our first earthly parents, Adam and Eve. So as I put it,we're all at least cousins,somewhere along the line! :-) But I also know that there are some white people who say and believe,that only white people are truly human and that black people,at best,are simply a higher form of animal. And such people say that with a straight face,while saying they are Christian and that they get such from the Bible! (ha)
And the black guys I once invited to the local church I was in then,they didn't come. I told my oldest Sis about this,in later years. She said,well,they wouldn't of felt welcomed there and they knew that. When I looked back on it in later years,I realized they would of been welcomed there by some people;but then,not by all. And recently,I mentioned this again to my oldest Sis and I was astounded when she said,she wouldn't go to a black church and that because she would have so little in common with the church members there! Yeah,that really astounded me,because I thought,you would have little in common,with your fellow Christians?! That simply makes no sense. For as Paul the apostle well said; Jew or Gentile,male of female,bond or free,etc,etc,we are all one in Jesus Christ! :-)
Tom to Ronny:
The white "Christians" who say black folks aren't human and only "a higher form of animal" are preaching the lie of evolution that Eugenicists used to rationalize mass sterilizations and that Hitler used to rationalize killing a whole lot of folks. Those so called "Christians" who claim to be Bible believing must have missed this part.
"For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your associate as yourself."" (Galatians 5:14)
Ronny to Tom:
It is sad,that some people are just that ignorant and hateful. :-( And I could never figure out how such people could believe and think that white people were truly human;but not black people? How could they believe that,when they could easily see that white and black people,could have children together? How could they explain that,the one was a human and the other an animal?
Ronny to Tom:
And amen and amen! :-) For indeed I am to love my associate/neighbor as I love myself. And no,I don't always do that as I should;but that does not change the fact,that as a born from above child of God,I am to love all other people,just as Jesus Christ does and did.
I remember a man,who I once dearly hated. And I wished him dead and out one of my nieces life,as soon as possible. This after she was grown and up in her 20's and the man,in a nursing home. He was her grandfather,on her mothers side of the family,the father-in-law,of one of my brothers. But this niece came by one day and told her grandmother and me,that this man had sexually molested her and that beginning at a time,that she was too young,to even know what age she was,when such started? And such continued over the years,till my niece left home and went to a Bible college. And there she said she learned to forgive him. She wrote him and told him so. Then visited him,with an aunt of her. One of his daughters,who as it turned out,he had also molested. But when my niece saw this grandfather of hers,in the nursing home,she said he would never admit that he had done anything wrong or that he had sexually molested her. She told me and her grandmother,my mother,about all of this. And that is when my hatred of the man began. That was when I wished him dead and out of my niece's life and that,as soon as possible. Then sometime after that,I was at work at a cemetery,mowing the grass. Maybe I was thinking about that man then? But before this,I had certainly thought of him at times and wished him dead. But out of the blue that day,God reminded me that Jesus Christ had needed to go to the cross for me,as well. And God led me to pray for the man. And I was still a Calvinist in belief at that time,so what I came to pray for the man, was that he would become right with God,before he died. Now I didn't do that on my own. Indeed,on my own I couldn't have done that. On my own,I would of just gone on hating the man and wishing him quickly dead. But God reminded me,that I had no excuse or reason to look down on or hate anyone. That Jesus Christ had also needed to go to and had gone to the cross for me. So God led me to pray for the man. Something I never could of done,on my own. It is so good,that over time,God changes us. Conforming us more and more,to the image of God's son,Jesus Christ! :-) And no,I am not where I need to be on this,I am not where I one day will be,by God's love,mercy and grace;but I am so glad,that God hasn't left me,where I used to be! :-)
And one thing I still have a problem with,is I don't know if I've yet forgiven a man,who molested me one time,when I was 16 years old? I know I should;but I don't know for sure,if I have or not? He's deceased now;but what made it worse for me,was that he was a member of my family,an in-law. At the time,if just stunned me that he could and did do such and yet he was married to one of my sisters. Lately,I find that I just try not to think about it too much.