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Judgement and Punishment / The Day of the Lord
« Last post by ed on Today at 10:13:41 PM »
I am looking for a good word study on how this term is used.

It seems to me that end timers want to put the "day of the Lord" as end times for judgments that have already occurred.

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You can make all of Revelation symbolic if you like. How about the rest of the Bible? Is it all symbolic?

Psalms 37:20
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Malachi 4:1
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Malachi 4:3
And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Thanks wonderful universalists!

ed



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Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by joeteekay on Today at 09:01:28 PM »
Very good points concerning I John5:16. Appreciate the thoughts.
I often wondered about this business of lesser sins and greater sins.
Catholics say venial sins vs. moral sins, and they have a point (IMO).

But the statement that the wages of sin is death is true, but that does not imply that sin cannot be forgiven and repented of, either in this life or in the LoF.

Intercessory prayer is a reality. Pray for one another. The prayer of a righteous person avails much. Godly sorrow works repentance. Repentance is the vital ingredient.
Interesting comment James about  Ananias and Saphira and John concerning the man who had his fathers wife.  Ananias and Saphira - sin unto death.

Also instructions concerning correcting faults given in Mat. 18 and Gal. 6

Gal_6:1  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Mat 18:15  Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16  But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17  And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.


Also from the CLV

I John 5: 15 And if ever we are aware that He is hearing us, whatever we may be requesting, we are aware that we have the requests which we have requested from Him.
16 If anyone should be perceiving his brother sinning a sin not to death, he shall be requesting, and He will be giving him life for those sinning not to death. There is a sin to death: I am not saying that he should be asking concerning that.
17 All injustice is sin, and there is a sin not to death.


So we REQUEST either by using the approach of Mat 18/Gal 6 or through prayer. I am agreeing with the posts.  :2thumbs:
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Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 10:06:23 AM »
As I process through this, I tend to agree with you about 'life'.  In that context, capitalizing the 'L' does make sense.  A quality/type of life, rather than just breathing.

Sort of like the whole discussion on the Kingdom of God.  At least one definition I see there is, "righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit", which for me is aka "walking closely with Him, surrendered, having a clean conscience", etc. (to hijack my own thread :)

Actually, that was the definition I started to give for Life. :o) Righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. For me, all things New Testament must be viewed in the context of the kingdom of God.
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Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by jabcat on Today at 09:56:12 AM »
As I process through this, I tend to agree with you about 'life'.  In that context, capitalizing the 'L' does make sense.  A quality/type of life, rather than just breathing.

Sort of like the whole discussion on the Kingdom of God.  At least one definition I see there is, "righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit", which for me is aka "walking closely with Him, surrendered, having a clean conscience", etc. (to hijack my own thread :)
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Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 09:23:33 AM »
I define life in this context as the abiding blessing of the saint in right standing with God. Continuing wholeness of spirit soul and body in the grace and blessing of the Lord.
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Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by jabcat on Today at 09:04:54 AM »
God will not give them life for that sin because of another believer's intercession. They must repent in order to receive life and be restored to fellowship.  :2c:

Thanks John.  Again, makes a lot of sense.  In this context, how would you define life (again, for whatever it's worth, the Aramaic translation says 'Life'.)
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Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 08:46:39 AM »
Yes, I think some sins are worse than others, under both the old and new testament. Paul sort of showed this in his response to the situation where a man had his father's wife and was delivered over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh.

In 1 Tim 1:20 Paul delivered Hymeneus and Philetus, false teachers, over to Satan that they might "learn not to blaspheme". In Acts Ananias and Saphira were slain for "lying to the Holy Ghost" in the midst of a massive move of the Spirit.

There is more mercy in the New testament, in that we may repent even grievous sins and be forgiven and released from condemnation and restored to fellowship, where under the OT judgment was irrevocable even after repentence, like Achan in Joshua 7, who repented but was executed anyway, and gave glory to God for it. But there are still occasions where certain levels of sin will bring a swift response form God.

I pesonally see it like this.

Maybe you see a brother or sister who has a drinking problem, a problem with their temper, a jealousy problem, gossip, or a pride issue, a bad habit.

You can pray for that. God will hear your prayer and give life to them, even to the point of remedying the problem. I have seen this at work over the years, and seen God answer such prayers, sometimes surprisingly quickly, sometimes over time. We never know when a brother or sister is just stuck, or if they are in a valley of decision concerning a fault, stuck in a character flaw, or what- so we pray, we intercede, and God who knows the hearts answers accordingly.

But if a brother or a sister is committing adultery, you can pray for them to repent. You can pray that God changes their heart. But unless they repent they will suffer consequences for that sin, and even if they repent they may suffer grievous consequences, and no amount of prayer will change that. God will not give them life for that sin because of another believer's intercession. They must repent in order to receive life and be restored to fellowship.  :2c:



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Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by jabcat on Today at 07:41:11 AM »
I like that better than about anything else I've read on it. 

Do you/"we" think there are different levels of sin then, i.e., some worse than others?  I think I'm wrong, but it seems to me that under the new covenant that wouldn't be the case. 

Many commentators compare the "sin unto death" to Ananias and Saphira, while others say no, that occurred during a specific time period and wouldn't occur anymore.  Others say there may be a point in a person's disobedience, if it's continual, willful, without repentance, that God may "take them home early" (directly cause their "premature" physical death).

Bottom line John, it sounds like you're saying it's not that God would "kill someone" for disobedience or for certain sins, but rather there are different consequences/gravity?

Anyone else anything to add?

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Christian Life / Shroud of Turin
« Last post by Searching_For_The_Truth on Today at 04:20:00 AM »
Hello all,

CNN has been showing a documentary of the Shroud of Turin which is believed to be the shroud which was used to bury Lord Jesus. I was wondering what are your thoughts on the shroud. A link is posted below.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/02/25/finding-jesus-shroud-1.cnn
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Christian Life / Re: Sin Unto Death
« Last post by Seth on Today at 02:45:17 AM »
I believe it means that for lesser sins we can intercede and God will give them life, which to me means this. The wages of sin is death, but if you intercede for someone commiting one of these sins, God will give them life, mercy to cover the naturally incurred penalty, forgiveness, healing, etc.

A sin unto death(imo) is any of the sins for which death was the penalty in OT. Murder, adultery, witchcraft, etc.- eggregious sins for which there can be no deliverance from the consequence without repentance, and sometimes even then, after repentance, there are still naturally incurring penalties that cannot be avoided, even tho God has forgiven a truly repentant offender.

Great take on it
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