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Christian Life / Re: L Ray Smith

« Last post by Warhawk17 on Today at 07:14:13 AM »

I have read his site before, and I enjoy how blunt he is. I was curious reading this thread so I decided to look up more info on him, and this demonic blog came up talking about how he is going to suffer for eternity. Absolutely sickening.

http://pastorshinchan.blogspot.com/2012/06/l-ray-smith-is-dead-confirmed-by-bible.html

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Book of Revelation / Re: Appearance of the Son of Man

« Last post by strawberri on Today at 04:58:44 AM »

Yes, the Word of God is the Spirit of Truth.  Some search the scriptures never understanding them because no one can draw you to the Father except the Father.  People hear but they don't hear and see yet they don't see.  And as Jesus said more than once you have heard that it was said but He says....They still don't know what is meant.  The Spirit of God is Alive and Well and He can speak for himself.  Consider the scriptures a lot of people seem not to understand or even notice or they don't like them.

"John 16:12-  I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.  (13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.  (14)  He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.  (15)  All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

God wants worshipers who worship in Spirit and Truth.  And if we worship God, we must worship in Spirit and in Truth --all of it.  And as Christians we are aware that there is the spirit which teaches against Christ called the anti-Christ. 

We must be sure that we don't be beguiled into trading the Spirit of Truth in for what we hear and also what we read.  All things must be verified by His Spirit as to it's validity.  We don't want to be like the parable of Adam and Eve?  The tree of the knowledge of good and evil takes on many forms including pen and paper made from trees..

Strawberri

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Christian Life / Re: God's Will, Man's Will, free will/sov discussions

« Last post by shawn on Today at 04:15:26 AM »

I believe God desires fellowship between beings who have all chosen to enjoy the superior life of love, and is winning us and training us to become these beings, "sons". This, imo, is the glorious liberty of the sons of God. I believ He knows the end from the beginning and we are predestined according to the forknowledge of God. However, I also believe no one fully understands this and we should all exercise a broad range of grace when discussing such issues. I am glad u r on Tentmaker Tom and look forward to getting to know you. Peace.

Amen.  As we all see through the glass darkly, this should instill a humility when we speak.  I doubt any see these things fully and we should discuss with this in mind.

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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: God's Perfection

« Last post by lomarah on Today at 01:55:51 AM »

Me and Becca's middle names are both Ann too.   

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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: God's Perfection

« Last post by rosered on Today at 01:38:01 AM »

Well, it seems a pondering I will go... blessings on all your efforts to know God and I pray you experience His great love, grace, joy -  anna (aka onething, seekfirst, watch/pray)   My middle name is Anne... I wish it were Anna... I can so identify with Anna of Luke 3:36-38a (except I'm not a widow) and long to be Anna of Luke 3:38b ...and spake of Him to all that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

 Hi Marie   God bless you sis , love the things you share 
 
  Hi Ann  One Thing  , my middle name too  :) Do you know Ann and Anna  and Anne  are all forms of Hanah
   name meaning   Hannah = "grace"Strong's H2584 - Channah Of Hebrew origin חַנָּה (H2584)


Anna = "grace"     
Strong's G451 - Anna   you your are  Blessed sister  with Gods grace  !!

 
Pro 22:1 A [good] name [is] rather to be chosen than great riches, [and] loving favour rather than silver and gold.

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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: God's Perfection

« Last post by OneThing on Today at 12:55:07 AM »

Oh Marie, I, too, have been PONDERING God's Glorious Plan to bring all to be with Him for all eternity.  I'm absolutely (well as much as any finite being can be!!!) convinced that we need to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth regarding just WHAT man was BEFORE the creation of the world and WHY God created man... He had need of no one and no thing.

Your thread has encouraged me to get back to studying, digging deeper to connect some more dots for my book "Out of Love, For His Glory, God created man in His own image and likeness"  I do have some ideas, but they are radically different from all of the current teachings... and I don't have sufficient Scriptures to support my ideas.

Well, it seems a pondering I will go... blessings on all your efforts to know God and I pray you experience His great love, grace, joy -  anna (aka onething, seekfirst, watch/pray)   My middle name is Anne... I wish it were Anna... I can so identify with Anna of Luke 3:36-38a (except I'm not a widow) and long to be Anna of Luke 3:38b ...and spake of Him to all that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

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Discussions on Universal Salvation / God's Perfection

« Last post by marie glen on May 24, 2013, 11:26:22 PM »

I've been thinking or pondering, that is, what it is that perfectly underscores His perfection and the impossibility of the 'end' result of all this, human history and life as we know it, as anything less than utter, well, perfection.. Doesn't that imply that the 'end' result can only be the utterly best one possible?

..And, as to His perfection, what was/is His intent in all this? (His intent concerning life as we presently know it / all human history and future,etc).

He is perfect (surely? or He too would fade...? impossible for God, true God, not to be perfect, surely?) And perfection makes no mistakes, so what is it, that is His intent? for all this? This life, history, etc of planet earth as it has unfolded? and which is without a doubt, "according to His will".

...like a twofold formula? His Perfection = His Perfect intent = ? (something, the perfect word? is eluding me..)

 ='s Proof Positive, Perfection does not  equal loss of any, does not equal 'eternal' suffering for any..
Because it is aLL His Perfect and Pure intent that is working out and being worked out..

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Book of Revelation / Re: Prophecy

« Last post by sheila on May 24, 2013, 10:39:03 PM »

wow, beautiful posts!!   ty     

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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: The Greek Word Aion

« Last post by TomH on May 24, 2013, 10:05:47 PM »

"And these shall go away into everlasting[G166 Aionios] punishment; but the righteous into life eternal[G166 Aionios]" Matthew 25:46.

"Who shall be punished with everlasting[G166 Aionios] destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" 2Thessalonians 1:9.

The english word everlasting or eternal in Matt.25:46 and 2Thess 1:9 is translated for the Greek word aion. Aionios is the adjective form of the word Aion. Here is the definition of aion from Strongs Greek Concordance and the Blueletter Bible Lexicon. Aion[G165]:
1) forever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity
2) the worlds, universe
3) period of time, age

Wait a minute. Are they saying this little four letter Greek word has all these meanings? Two things need to be noted here:
1. Those lexicons have aion meaning both age and eternal. How can a word be it's own antonym? In other words, how can aion mean both age and eternal when age and eternal have opposite meanings? That's against the laws of grammer.
2. How can aion mean world, age, and eternity when the Greeks have specific words for those english words? Case in point, The Greek word for world is Kosmos[G2889] not aion. The Greek word for eternity is Aidios[G126] not aion. And the Greek word for age is aion[G165]. If the writers wanted to convey the idea of forever in Matthew 25:46 and 2Thessalonians 1:9, they would have used the Greek word aidios[G126].
So aion always means age never eternal. A better translation of aion would be eon or the alternate dictionary spelling aeon, because eon has an adjective form where as age does not. For instance, the adjective form of the Greek word aion[G165] is aionios[G166], likewise, the adjective form of the english word eon is eonian. Also, get a good dictionary that traces the orgin of words and look up the english words eternal and eon. You will find eternal is traced back to latin, and you will find eon, which means age or a period of time is traced back to the Greek word aion. The Bible of course was written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, not Latin.
And one other point: Aion and the alternate dictionary spelling of eon(aeon) almost spell the same, aion-aeon. That's because many of the letters of the Greek aphabet are the same as the letters of the  English alphabet.
But believers in eternal torment object to this. They say that if aion and it's adjective form aionios mean age or eon, then not only does the punishment of the unbelievers come to an end but also the eternal/aionios life of the believers must come to an end as well, since the same word aionios is used to describe the punishment and life of both groups. I will address that objection in my next post. Blessings.

I refer to Strong's numbers once in awhile out of curiosity, but I think his reference material is bias to church doctrine. I prefer the Concordant Literal New Testament and Keyword Concordance.  http://concordant.org/online/index.html  I agree with most of what you say, bro, but I think "aidios" should be translated "imperceptible" like in the Concordant Version. Their concordance says "aidion UN-PERCEIVED imperceptible." I'm attaching a few files showing a good explanation of why "aidios" should be "imperceptible."

You are correct here TomH, and thanks for those files. The Concordant Literal New Testament does translate aidios as imperceptible. That being the case, neither the Hebrews or the Greeks had a corresponding word that meant the english word eternal. The Hebrew and Greek writers used negative words like "neither" and "no", "beginning" and "end"  to their words to convey their understanding of eternity:

"Gods years have no end" Psalm 102:27
"And of his kingdom there shall be no end" Luke 1:33
"God has neither beginning of days nor end of life" Hebrews 7:3
"God is Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end" Revelation 1:8, Revelation 22:13

As you can see, those scriptures describe forever or eternity without using the english word eternal. The Greek word aion and it's adjective form aionios always mean age or eon, and never forever. If the translators had correctly translated the Greek word aion as age or eon in Matthew 25:46, 2Thessalonians 1:9, Revelation 20:10, and other places in the Bible, the purpose of the wrath, judgment, and punishment, upon the wicked and unbelievers would become clear. Thanks again for an informative post. Blessings.

Amen, brother. I think only God can really be considered "eternal," without beginning or end, but scripture concerning man is about the eons. It is the Roman church that has distorted the evangel with the immortal soul being tortured forever in fire to try to terrorize its flock to come through it for salvation rather than Christ. I thank God I left that church when I was young and began studying the word of God to know the truth. God bless you, bro.

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: The Greek Word Aion

« Last post by rjohnson741 on May 24, 2013, 09:23:12 PM »

"And these shall go away into everlasting[G166 Aionios] punishment; but the righteous into life eternal[G166 Aionios]" Matthew 25:46.

"Who shall be punished with everlasting[G166 Aionios] destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" 2Thessalonians 1:9.

The english word everlasting or eternal in Matt.25:46 and 2Thess 1:9 is translated for the Greek word aion. Aionios is the adjective form of the word Aion. Here is the definition of aion from Strongs Greek Concordance and the Blueletter Bible Lexicon. Aion[G165]:
1) forever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity
2) the worlds, universe
3) period of time, age

Wait a minute. Are they saying this little four letter Greek word has all these meanings? Two things need to be noted here:
1. Those lexicons have aion meaning both age and eternal. How can a word be it's own antonym? In other words, how can aion mean both age and eternal when age and eternal have opposite meanings? That's against the laws of grammer.
2. How can aion mean world, age, and eternity when the Greeks have specific words for those english words? Case in point, The Greek word for world is Kosmos[G2889] not aion. The Greek word for eternity is Aidios[G126] not aion. And the Greek word for age is aion[G165]. If the writers wanted to convey the idea of forever in Matthew 25:46 and 2Thessalonians 1:9, they would have used the Greek word aidios[G126].
So aion always means age never eternal. A better translation of aion would be eon or the alternate dictionary spelling aeon, because eon has an adjective form where as age does not. For instance, the adjective form of the Greek word aion[G165] is aionios[G166], likewise, the adjective form of the english word eon is eonian. Also, get a good dictionary that traces the orgin of words and look up the english words eternal and eon. You will find eternal is traced back to latin, and you will find eon, which means age or a period of time is traced back to the Greek word aion. The Bible of course was written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, not Latin.
And one other point: Aion and the alternate dictionary spelling of eon(aeon) almost spell the same, aion-aeon. That's because many of the letters of the Greek aphabet are the same as the letters of the  English alphabet.
But believers in eternal torment object to this. They say that if aion and it's adjective form aionios mean age or eon, then not only does the punishment of the unbelievers come to an end but also the eternal/aionios life of the believers must come to an end as well, since the same word aionios is used to describe the punishment and life of both groups. I will address that objection in my next post. Blessings.

I refer to Strong's numbers once in awhile out of curiosity, but I think his reference material is bias to church doctrine. I prefer the Concordant Literal New Testament and Keyword Concordance.  http://concordant.org/online/index.html  I agree with most of what you say, bro, but I think "aidios" should be translated "imperceptible" like in the Concordant Version. Their concordance says "aidion UN-PERCEIVED imperceptible." I'm attaching a few files showing a good explanation of why "aidios" should be "imperceptible."

You are correct here TomH, and thanks for those files. The Concordant Literal New Testament does translate aidios as imperceptible. That being the case, neither the Hebrews or the Greeks had a corresponding word that meant the english word eternal. The Hebrew and Greek writers used negative words like "neither" and "no", "beginning" and "end"  to their words to convey their understanding of eternity:

"Gods years have no end" Psalm 102:27
"And of his kingdom there shall be no end" Luke 1:33
"God has neither beginning of days nor end of life" Hebrews 7:3
"God is Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end" Revelation 1:8, Revelation 22:13

As you can see, those scriptures describe forever or eternity without using the english word eternal. The Greek word aion and it's adjective form aionios always mean age or eon, and never forever. If the translators had correctly translated the Greek word aion as age or eon in Matthew 25:46, 2Thessalonians 1:9, Revelation 20:10, and other places in the Bible, the purpose of the wrath, judgment, and punishment, upon the wicked and unbelievers would become clear. Thanks again for an informative post. Blessings.