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Take care of those cows  :icon_jokercolor:
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PPS: JUst in case you're still wondering..

Yes, Jesus came in the flesh!  :declare:

Yes and amen to that my brother! 
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Of course there's stuff that's absolutely true

I agree.
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lol...u got that from a dictionary definition...nothing i said..

Now you have me pegged as a gnostic..lol

Of course there's stuff that's absolutely true - that's not in any way the context..

Anyway, time marches, I've got animals that need some dogmatic love and attention..

great talk!

PS: it's good what you all do here...that's not the context from my end either..


 
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A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true

That's a dictionary definition

In the bible it was the way the Judaic experts in the law interpreted the torah and delivered it to the Jews..

The church has kind of replicated this system..I mean, the doctrine of endless damnation is your classic example. Eternal hell is dogma in the church and the truth of Universal Salvation cannot be heard because of it..It blocks our hears and eyes from seeing something that may be different..

That's a little example...but the principal operates throughout our own walk with the Lord..We build up a cache of beliefs and, in a way, they become our version of God, often dogmatically...then he has to fight to be heard if his word for us is new or different..

Are you telling us you don't hold to anything that is inconvertably true? Is Jesus come in the flesh?
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A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true

That's a dictionary definition

In the bible it was the way the Judaic experts in the law interpreted the torah and delivered it to the Jews..

The church has kind of replicated this system..I mean, the doctrine of endless damnation is your classic example. Eternal hell is dogma in the church and the truth of Universal Salvation cannot be heard because of it..It blocks our hears and eyes from seeing something that may be different..

That's a little example...but the principal operates throughout our own walk with the Lord..We build up a cache of beliefs and, in a way, they become our version of God, often dogmatically...then he has to fight to be heard if his word for us is new or different..




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Here is a definition from websters: : a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted

Isn't that what we do here? Question? Do you know why church authorities create dogma? To enforce unity!
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Define "dogma" if you could.
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...You certainly wouldn't have been able to help me because what you want is unity and I needed truth.
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What I needed yesterday is maybe not the same as what I need today... This is dogma's great deception...It is yesterdays word for us packaged into today's dogma...We can become so hooked on it that it can blind us from what God might be saying today...This is why Jesus said his words are spirit...

"The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

For me, I need to be less concerned about yesterday and tomorrow and hear what the spirit would blow (say) today, here and now...Being fixed on dogmatic belief systems instead of the person of Christ is what leads us into religion.


 
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Unity is not my utmost concern, but what is true. Jesus himself said that he came not to bring peace but a sword. That sword divides. While you are fine living with opposites, I believe in finding what is true and what is not true. I know that unity will come eventually, but it will come by knowing the truth. If we want to know the truth, we need to know Christ.

But Christ said stuff. He said things which are true, and the opposite of which is not true. So, no, I cannot live with the opposite of what he said. Jesus did not preach a message of unity. He said "if they hated me, they will hate you too." But he didn't say "agree with their doctrines of Law keeping and Messiah disavowal so you can have unity"

Jesus, who said 'I did not come to bring peace' was the one who also said, 'my peace I leave with you'..

Jesus said 'I came to bring a sword' also said 'if you live by the sword you die by the sword..'

These 'seem' as opposites..because they are for different people, different times and different situations. The blessing is found in knowing and hearing what God is speaking to me now and letting it be different for someone else.

Living with 'seeming' opposites is not something I am necessarily fine with - but it is what allows my love for others to grow and become stronger.

Jesus did mean for us to be in unity, which is why he asked God to make us all one..(John 17:21) . The amazing promise of this is that the world will know God has sent the son..

He also said that if we love one another the world will know that we are his disciples..

It isn't getting (finally) our doctrine sorted out when the world will get it..Unless being of the 'same mind' is love..

See his cross afresh and see how the lines that we draw between ourselves and others are abolished..

Ephesians 2:15; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,even the law of commandments contained in ordinances (dogma); for to make in himself one new man, so making peace. [/b]




Loving each other and disagreeing on doctrine in a discussion board are not mutually exclusive. I think you are conflating that issue.

If there hadn't been disagreement on doctrine, I would still be an ETer. I am blessed that God provided someone who was willing to argue with the predominant eternal damnation doctrine. You certainly wouldn't have been able to help me because what you want is unity and I needed truth.
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