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On what scriptures would they base such a belief? Or do we just make it up as we go along? :o)

I think a lot of it is pure speculation on their part unless there is something they know that we don't. However, as for Abraham's Bosom representing Heaven, the Catholic Duay Rhames Bible states that on the footnotes of the Lazarus and the Rich Man Parable. But if Abraham's Bosom truly was Heaven before Lord Jesus came along then what about those from before Abraham? I heard there is a youtube video called three Heavens which explains that. However, I never bothered to watch it because I mainly think it's based more on speculation than scripture.
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Arguments Against Universal Salvation / Re: Psalms 55 Hell?
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 08:56:35 AM »
On what scriptures would they base such a belief? Or do we just make it up as we go along? :o)
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Who was reconciled?
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 08:52:25 AM »
They also ignore Colossians 1:16-21 and Ephesians 1:9-11 and a half dozen other verses that clearly say that all will be reconciled and gathered into Christ
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Who was reconciled?
« Last post by Seth on Today at 06:03:20 AM »
They have ignored Romans 5:10 which says that "if we were reconciled (or conciliated) by his death, how much more so having been reconciled, shall we be saved by his life." Salvation has to do with being saved from the carnal minded darkness inherent within man by the Holy Spirit (his Life) which comes by faith. Nothing to do with hell, which does not exist. Nobody was saved by reconciliation.
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Some ET advocates believe that the reconciliation verses mean that Lord Jesus saved all souls from death and from there our free will determines whether we end up in Heaven or Hell for all eternity.
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Who was reconciled?
« Last post by Seth on Today at 05:53:26 AM »
About the word apokatallaso: the part "apo" can also mean "separate" and "kata" can mean down but also AGAINST or OPPOSED. So the term could be (SEPERATENESS-OPPOSED-CHANGED) and katalasso could be (OPPOSED-CHANGED)
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Who was reconciled?
« Last post by joeteekay on Today at 05:26:36 AM »
Another take on this is :

For reconciliation to take place, one party must be conciliated to a second party and the second party must be conciliated back to the first party. Then, and only then, is there reconciliation. God is now conciliated [Gk: katalla'sso = DOWN-CHANGE] to the world because of His Son's sacrifice, and the world will one day be reconciled [Gk: apokatalla'sso = FROM-DOWN-CHANGE] to God! Conciliation has to do with one side only in an estrangement, whereas reconciliation has to do with both sides of an estrangement. The Authorized Version does not make this vital distinction in the Greek Text!

From an article by L. Ray Smith
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:thumbsup:  Agreed.  No one in the OT warned about it as a consequence of sin, God didn't use it to warn Adam and Eve, and Paul never did (who said he preached the WHOLE gospel).  I think it's impossible that ET could be an option if not ever warned about throughout the whole OT.   :2c:

I completely agree. However, some Mainstream Christians argue that Hell was created for the devil and his angels around the time when Lord Jesus was resurrected and it is the ultimate destination of all who don't accept Lord Jesus in this lifetime. Some of them also believe that Abraham's Bosom was the original Heaven before Lord Jesus came along while the original Hell was the grave/sheol. In other words, many believe Hell didn't exist in the OT but it appeared in the NT
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Who was reconciled?
« Last post by jabcat on Today at 04:18:17 AM »
Amen John.  (I'm positive you meant "CAN'T stand alone on one or two verses).

Ronen, IMO, the "other side" of the scripture you quoted is addressed here (although there are MANY that speak to separation from God, being lost, needing to believe on Him to be saved, etc.)  But specifically, a little further down in the same chapter,

2 Corintians 5:20  Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be you reconciled to God.  Then there is a plethora of scriptures that show how and what this means as listed in the other thread (Ephesians 2:8-10, Romans 10:13, I John 5:13, Acts 22:16, Acts 2:38,39, John 3:5, Romans 10:9,10 "IF confess and believe WILL be saved")

Christ's sacrifice brought down the barrier, made the Way.  Now God is calling, choosing, giving faith to believe on Him/receive Him as Savior as He wills according to His timing and plan.  The ecclesia now, the rest later.  Every knee will bow.
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Who was reconciled?
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 02:14:45 AM »
I think there is an objective view and a subjective view. Since God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself- we can certainly say all have been reconciled in the  heart of God. However, we can stand alone on one or two verses. The same writer says there are adversaries who are not yet subjected(1 Cor 15), not yet gathered(Eph 1) and as minsters of reconciliation, as we are announcing the reconciliation and ushering/inviting others into it we are reconciling and gathering. Too argue the objective and subjective against one another as if the were opposing views somehow- to me seems an immature understanding of the word of God. I think both are clear, parallel and valid.

Any truth must satisfy all of the scriptures, and all of the perspectives and paradoxes they present.

"Sit thou at my right hand until I make all of your enemies a footstool for your feet." To say an ememy is reconciled, well- maybe we have a misfire of how we understand the language, but at present I believe the reconciliation is purchased, presented and secured for all in God- but not experienced until received. God has chosen the order in which men will receive it.
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