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Christian Life / Re: Sounding an alarm
« Last post by joeteekay on Today at 05:06:26 AM »

The book of Hebrews quotes extensively from the Old Testament. Paul, as a Pharisee, would have been familiar with the Scripture in its original Hebrew language. In other letters, Paul either quotes the Masoretic Text (the original Hebrew) or paraphrases it. However, all of the quotes in this epistle are taken out of the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament), which is inconsistent with Paul's usage. Finally, Paul was an apostle who claimed to receive his revelations directly from the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12). The writer of Hebrews specifically says that he was taught by an apostle (Hebrews 2:3).

If Paul didn't write the letter, who did? The most plausible suggestion is that this was actually a sermon Paul gave and it was transcribed later by Luke, a person who would have had the command of the Greek language which the writer shows. Barnabas is another likely prospect, since he was a Levite and would have been speaking on a subject that he knew much about. Martin Luther suggested Apollos, since he would have had the education the writer of this letter must have had. Priscilla and Clemet of Rome have been suggested by other scholars.

However, there is still much evidence that Paul wrote the letter. The most compelling comes from Scripture itself. Remember that Peter wrote to the Hebrews (that is, the Jews; see Galatians 2:7, 9 and 1 Peter 1:1). Peter wrote: "...just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him [emphasis added]" (2 Peter 3:15). In that last verse, Peter is confirming that Paul had also written a letter to the Hebrews!


I appreciate the ideas you mention. who knows for sure, but we know it is part of Holy scripture. What I really love about the book of Hebrews is its close link and association between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. It blends the victorious gospel of Jesus Christ into a consistent whole.  :banana:
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Christian Life / Re: Sounding an alarm
« Last post by onlytruth on Today at 02:38:42 AM »
good word cardinal...us all in His time
blessings
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Christian Life / Re: Sounding an alarm
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 01:16:08 AM »
Thanks for your story. Greatly appreciated. It is interesting that of late I have been studying Hebrews, and find it very deeply spiritual. I often wonder who wrote it. Apostle Paul is not mentioned as the author. All the other NT books have an Apostle as the writer. Most certainly it is inspired by the HS. Perhaps it was written by God Himself?? Just speculating. :dunno:

I thought this was a good article on the authorship of Hebrews.

I have been in Hebrews quite a bit lately myself. So awesome- a panoramic view of the tabernacle of God.


Church tradition teaches that Paul wrote the book of Hebrews, and until the 1800s, that issue was closed. However, though a vast majority of Christians—both and scholars and the laity—still believe Paul wrote the book, there are some tempting reasons to think otherwise.

First and foremost is the lack of a salutation. Some sort of personal salutation from Paul appears in all of his letters. So it would seem that writing anonymously is not his usual method; therefore, the reasoning goes, Hebrews cannot be one of his letters. Second, the overall composition and style is of a person who is a very sophisticated writer. Even though he was certainly a sophisticated communicator, Paul stated that he purposely did not speak with a commanding vocabulary (1 Corinthians 1:17; 2:1; 2 Corinthians 11:6).

The book of Hebrews quotes extensively from the Old Testament. Paul, as a Pharisee, would have been familiar with the Scripture in its original Hebrew language. In other letters, Paul either quotes the Masoretic Text (the original Hebrew) or paraphrases it. However, all of the quotes in this epistle are taken out of the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament), which is inconsistent with Paul's usage. Finally, Paul was an apostle who claimed to receive his revelations directly from the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12). The writer of Hebrews specifically says that he was taught by an apostle (Hebrews 2:3).

If Paul didn't write the letter, who did? The most plausible suggestion is that this was actually a sermon Paul gave and it was transcribed later by Luke, a person who would have had the command of the Greek language which the writer shows. Barnabas is another likely prospect, since he was a Levite and would have been speaking on a subject that he knew much about. Martin Luther suggested Apollos, since he would have had the education the writer of this letter must have had. Priscilla and Clemet of Rome have been suggested by other scholars.

However, there is still much evidence that Paul wrote the letter. The most compelling comes from Scripture itself. Remember that Peter wrote to the Hebrews (that is, the Jews; see Galatians 2:7, 9 and 1 Peter 1:1). Peter wrote: "...just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him [emphasis added]" (2 Peter 3:15). In that last verse, Peter is confirming that Paul had also written a letter to the Hebrews!

The theology presented in Hebrews is consistent with Paul's. Paul was a proponent of salvation by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8, 9), and that message is strongly communicated in this epistle (Hebrews 4:2, 6:12, 10:19-22, 10:37-39, and 11:1-40). Either Paul wrote the epistle, or the writer was trained by Paul. Although it is a small detail, this epistle makes mention of Timothy (Hebrews 13:23), and Paul is the only apostle known to have ever done that in any letter.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/author-Hebrews.html#ixzz3VX5PSJzr
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Hellbusters Hallow / Re: I Was Never So Shocked!
« Last post by sheila on March 26, 2015, 06:20:02 PM »
   Amen!  God has testified that ALL MEN SHALL/HAVE BEEN  JUSTIFIED THROUGH CHRIST!!
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Christian Life / Re: Sounding an alarm
« Last post by sheila on March 26, 2015, 05:52:38 PM »
 Amen,Becca. Beautiful testimony!  Let all repent of the works of their own hands[own ministry's/kingdom building of men] and

  PRAISE AND GLORIFY GOD FOR  HIS WORKS AND HOUSEHOLD HE BUILDS THROUGH HIS SON BY THE SPIRIT !!!!!!

   A HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL MEN
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Christian Life / Re: Sounding an alarm
« Last post by Molly on March 26, 2015, 03:20:19 PM »
Things are moving very quickly now, indeed--

while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

Titus 2:13

14who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds...



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Rodger,
I know it's been said many times in many ways by many members, but here's another:  Thanks for all of the great posts!
Pat

My pleasure Patinak. I love to share!   :dsunny:

#16 – By Hannah Whitall Smith
 
"…I seemed to catch a fresh and clearer revelation of the depth of the misery that had been caused to human beings by sin. It was more than I could bear. I clenched my hands and cried out in my soul, "O, God, how canst Thou bear it? Thou mightest have prevented it, but didst not. Thou mightest even now change it, but Thou dost not. I do not see how Thou canst go on living, and endure it." I upbraided God. And I felt I was justified in doing so. Then suddenly God seemed to answer me. An inward voice said, in tones of infinite love and tenderness, "He shall see of the travail of His soul and be satisfied." "Satisfied!" I cried in my heart, "Christ is to be satisfied! He will be able to look at the world's misery, and then at the travail through which He has passed because of it, and will be satisfied with the result; If I were Christ, nothing could satisfy me but that every human being should in the end be saved, and therefore I am sure that nothing less will satisfy Him." And with this a veil seemed to be withdrawn from before the plans of the universe, and I saw that it was true, as the Bible says, that "as in Adam all die-even so in Christ should all be made alive." As was the first, even so was the second. The "all" in one case could not in fairness mean less than the "all" in the other. I saw therefore that the remedy must necessarily be equal to the disease, the salvation must be as universal as the fall.
I saw all this that day on the tram-car on Market street, Philadelphia -- not only thought it, or hoped it, or even believed it--but knew it. It was a Divine fact. And from that moment I have never had one questioning thought as to the final destiny of the human race. God is the Creator of every human being, therefore He is the Father of each one, and they are all His children; and Christ died for every one, and is declared to be "the propitiation not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2). However great the ignorance therefore, or however grievous the sin, the promise of salvation is positive and without limitations. If it is true that "by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation," it is equally true that "by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." To limit the last "all men" is also to limit the first. The salvation is absolutely equal to the fall. There is to be a final "restitution of all things," when "at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." Every knee, every tongue- words could not be more embracing. The how and the when I could not see; but the one essential fact was all I needed- somewhere and somehow God was going to make every thing right for all the creatures He had created. My heart was at rest about it forever.
I hurried home to get hold of my Bible, to see if the magnificent fact I had discovered could possibly have been all this time in the Bible, and I had not have seen it; and the moment I entered the house, I did not wait to take off my bonnet, but rushed at once to the table where I always kept my Bible and Concordance ready for use, and began my search. Immediately the whole Book seemed to be illuminated. On every page the truth concerning the "times of restitution of all things" of which the Apostle Peter says "God Hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began," shone forth, and no room was left for questioning. I turned greedily from page to page of my Bible, fairly laughing aloud for joy at the blaze of light that illuminated it all. It became a new book. Another skin seemed to have been peeled off every text, and my Bible fairly shone with a new meaning. I do not say with a different meaning, for in no sense did the new meaning contradict the old, but a deeper meaning, the true meaning, hidden behind the outward form of words. The words did not need to be changed, they only needed to be understood; and now at last I began to understand them."
A snippet from The Unselfishness of God and How I Discovered It
By Hannah Whitall Smith
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/unselfishness-of-god.htm


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I always had these and more unanswered questions until I saw the light. God is love, and his ultimate plan is to manifest the power of love to overcome evil.

This is the scripture that has been distorted to deceive people into thinking that unbelievers will be tormented in fire forever.

"And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons." (Revelation 20:10)

Mortals cast into the lake of fire will be dead, and the dead know nothing.

"And death and the unseen were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death--the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:14)

"The living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing whatsoever." (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

Forget about orthodox theology that lies to you about God torturing people in fire. Believe the inspired written word of God.

What was it I read the other day which struck me as being about the abyss..? :Chinscratch: which more and more I think is the grave and the journey there (psychological journey that is).. oh i remember, it was babylon - which false religion is a part of but not the whole - will be "thrown down and will not be found anymore"..

It made me think of the grave, and to think of it as a state of not being. (which is, I believe, where all rational creatures, sooner or later, would go, even if YHVH Most High God and Creator had not set everything in motion in such a way that all "in heaven and earth" would travel this road (lesson?) all together at once..

And all would perish if not for God's victorious rescue through Jesus! I get the sense that God is life, and also perfection, so to be imperfect is to be the opposite of life. And once imperfect, being imperfect, one cannot reverse their course back to perfection. And sooner or later it's a bottomless pit of lostness, ending in nonlife, the opposite of God. And that journey needs a rescue. I guess what i'm trying to say is I see it as a whole thing.. Or what it is, is the grave is a big part of it.

But the myths and fables warned about in the later new testament letters, which I'm thinking Christianity adopted(?) have done away with the grave. This doesn't seem right to me.
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Rodger,
I know it's been said many times in many ways by many members, but here's another:  Thanks for all of the great posts!
Pat

    :iagree: :iagree:

              ...and great questions.. very logical! which one would think all persons would consider!
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Great verses! Especially "Who alone has immortality" Just one of the many which should 'say it all' :smile:

..."Justin Martyr" thanks!  :Chinscratch: will be researching him..
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