Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: In The Face of Perfection (or, who is it who requires a sacrifice?)« Last post by Seth on Today at 06:21:43 AM »
Take care of those cows
Of course there's stuff that's absolutely true
A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true
That's a dictionary definition
In the bible it was the way the Judaic experts in the law interpreted the torah and delivered it to the Jews..
The church has kind of replicated this system..I mean, the doctrine of endless damnation is your classic example. Eternal hell is dogma in the church and the truth of Universal Salvation cannot be heard because of it..It blocks our hears and eyes from seeing something that may be different..
That's a little example...but the principal operates throughout our own walk with the Lord..We build up a cache of beliefs and, in a way, they become our version of God, often dogmatically...then he has to fight to be heard if his word for us is new or different..
Unity is not my utmost concern, but what is true. Jesus himself said that he came not to bring peace but a sword. That sword divides. While you are fine living with opposites, I believe in finding what is true and what is not true. I know that unity will come eventually, but it will come by knowing the truth. If we want to know the truth, we need to know Christ.
But Christ said stuff. He said things which are true, and the opposite of which is not true. So, no, I cannot live with the opposite of what he said. Jesus did not preach a message of unity. He said "if they hated me, they will hate you too." But he didn't say "agree with their doctrines of Law keeping and Messiah disavowal so you can have unity"
Jesus, who said 'I did not come to bring peace' was the one who also said, 'my peace I leave with you'..
Jesus said 'I came to bring a sword' also said 'if you live by the sword you die by the sword..'
These 'seem' as opposites..because they are for different people, different times and different situations. The blessing is found in knowing and hearing what God is speaking to me now and letting it be different for someone else.
Living with 'seeming' opposites is not something I am necessarily fine with - but it is what allows my love for others to grow and become stronger.
Jesus did mean for us to be in unity, which is why he asked God to make us all one..(John 17:21) . The amazing promise of this is that the world will know God has sent the son..
He also said that if we love one another the world will know that we are his disciples..
It isn't getting (finally) our doctrine sorted out when the world will get it..Unless being of the 'same mind' is love..
See his cross afresh and see how the lines that we draw between ourselves and others are abolished..
Ephesians 2:15; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,even the law of commandments contained in ordinances (dogma); for to make in himself one new man, so making peace. [/b]