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Thank you Rodger for your diligence in spreading the Good News.  You are appreciated.

2 Timothy 4:2  preach the word; be earnest in season, out of season, convict, rebuke, exhort, in all long-suffering and teaching

be ready always to give an answer to every man who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear 1 Peter 3:15
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Clarification
« Last post by Seth on Today at 07:20:32 AM »
Quote from: Tom
Pain, hunger, poverty, sickness, drug addiction, extreme temperatures, loss of loved ones, loneliness, depression, lack of hope, fear, betrayal, loss of a job, loss of your home, the everyday grind of getting older with more aches and pains, slowly but surely dying, and other things that I've forgotten to mention all cause us to experience suffering temporarily until we get some relief

I agree with you in your general words of encouragement, but in the above list of ills that befall man, I think they can be separated out. For example, aches and pains, extreme temperatures, loss of loved ones, loss of job may not be the result of what the Bible calls "pleasure in unrighteousness" whereas I can see that drug addiction and betrayal are.

Jesus tell us to avoid Gehenna. It is avoidable. While you and I may have a different view of it, I think the things which cannot be avoided, like aches and pains of age can be taken on by sons of God as opportunities to mature in the faith, whereas the ills of drug addiction are brought upon those who seek refuge in drugs. One causes growth, and the other causes destruction.

The good news, from my perspective, is that repentance comes through the destruction, but it's not a route one should want to take, especially after coming into full knowledge of the truth. I would consider drug addiction to be a kind of hell on earth. I've seen enough of what it does to people which is why I see it that way, whereas the kinds of hardships that try our faith, I see as opportunities to be embraced.
> Gary Amirault's Corner < / Re: 24 Reasons Hell Is Real
« Last post by Lazarus Short on Today at 06:21:10 AM »
Something I learned years ago from reading Charles Fort's four books (no, he's NOT a Christian author) is that a theory must account for ALL the data, not just most or some. 

Now in the case of Hell, it seems to me that the Reconciliation theory explains the data [Biblical text] better than the Damnation theory.  Or, in other words, no Hell beats and trumps Hell.
I see you have a vast library.

"When the love of power is replaced with the power of love, others may also see the light."

Peacemaker (aka, Jerwade)
> Gary Amirault's Corner < / Re: 24 Reasons Hell Is Real
« Last post by Tom on Today at 05:22:18 AM »
I had to edit it Joe because I forgot something important.
Judgement and Punishment / Re: what happens when you die?
« Last post by sheila on Today at 03:58:26 AM »
 :banana: :banana: :banana:  Thank God for the gift of eloquence!
> Gary Amirault's Corner < / Re: 24 Reasons Hell Is Real
« Last post by joeteekay on Today at 03:33:32 AM »
Wow Tom,
You sure said a lot and a good encapsulation of what is going on here on earth.  :thumbsup:
> Gary Amirault's Corner < / Re: 24 Reasons Hell Is Real
« Last post by Tom on Today at 02:58:34 AM »
It's a shame this guy "provides training and resources for thousands of pastors" because he's robbing people of the joy of knowing the overwhelming power of God's love and replacing it with irrational fear of a lie that comes straight from Satan through the Roman Catholic Church into his King James Protestant Church and makes people crazy and confused about a god who wants to torture people in fire forever who never even heard of Jesus Christ or who were incapable of understanding the evangel especially in the distorted form he portrays it. He's neglecting to tell you that his "hell" is based on forgery perpetrated in his beloved King James by intentionally mistranslating "Gehenna" as "hell" thereby causing the deception that "hades," the unseen state of dead souls, is a torture chamber that will last forever somehow causing people to burn continuously without being consumed. He is also confusing "the lake of fire" with "hell" which his own King James says is cast into "the lake of fire" which is actually "the second death" which will be abolished at the consummation of the eons. Because he is relying on the inaccurate translation of the King James for the Greek "aion," literally "eon," he is completely confusing people with his interpretation of scripture by making people think periods of time are "eternal." He is ignoring scripture about faith being a gracious gift of God that we don't earn by anything we do. He is ignoring scripture about death being the result of sin, not torture in fire forever. He is ignoring scripture about all mankind dying because of Adam and all mankind being made alive because of Christ. All he's doing is pushing the old Roman case for heresy against what the inspired written word of God says is what brings about the ultimate plan of God which is all on earth and in the heavens being reconciled to God through Christ's blood on the cross so that God may be all in all. His preaching is nothing but the systematized deception of orthodox theology established for the political expediency of the Roman Empire. He and his Protestant buddies should be ashamed for not purging the nonsense during The Reformation instead of self-righteously condemning the majority of mankind to a fate that God does not have planned even for the worst of human sinners or even Satan himself who is the author of this evil lie called "hell." We have to have compassion for him even though he's making people crazy by spewing forth this nonsense out of ignorance. The first thing he needs to do is retire his King James, and get an accurate translation. Then he needs to stop talking, and start listening to what the word of God accurately translated has to say. Maybe that will help the scales fall from his eyes, but I doubt it will happen because most guys like him are locked into their programming. They're afraid to open their minds and see the truth. It's especially distressing that our worse persecution seems to come from fellow believers like this rather than even the atheists. They don't believe in "hell." So they don't condemn us. They just think we're fools, but we have to have compassion for them too because God has blinded them temporarily. Only some have been chosen to have faith from before the disruption of the world, but all will eventually be saved. That's what scripture actually says, and this guy should be able to see that if he was reading an accurate translation of the ancient manuscripts. But I think he clings to his King James like he clings to his self-righteous theology of saving himself by his own so called free will while he's all right with his god torturing most of mankind in fire forever. His god is not my God. His god is a fiend worse than Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot. His god is an impotent weakling who can't even overcome the free will of his own creatures. His so called gospel is no good news at all for billions of people who need to know God's love and are being deprived of it because of his distorted evangel. God will have mercy on him and his followers though because it's all according to God's will that Satan's counterfeit church be seen for exactly what it is. Just don't let preachers like this discourage you. Pity them, and speak the truth of the word of God to counter the lie of Satan that they are preaching ignorantly. It's our responsibility to study an accurate translation of the inspired written word of God so we can share the truth with all the people who are deceived by this popular lie of Satan called "hell" that dishonors the true living God who loves all his creatures and will reconcile all his creatures through Christ's blood on the cross. Let the church call it heresy. Who cares? Let them tell us we're going to "hell" for believing God. Let them continue to spew forth their wretched disgusting lie of "hell," and see their churches continue to empty while people are coming to know the truth that God is the savior of all mankind especially believers. It's only a matter of time before all will know the truth, and all will be filled with love, not fear, because God will be all in all.   
Judgement and Punishment / Re: what happens when you die?
« Last post by Shev on Today at 02:22:40 AM »
I personally have no problem with the continuity of life, it is all Christ's life which He has saved from itself. I truly do not believe this is all dependent upon a beautiful human being passing away, which was necessary of course, as I wrote above, but that was a manifestation of what Christ is always doing and has always done - it is symbolical of Christ dying for His children all the time, from the time they were created. Christ's Love never stops and never started to become sacrificial at a certain stage because it always was and is sacrificial.

Sacrifical Love cannot stop being sacrifical Love - that is what it is, and that is what Christ is - Beautiful! Wonderful! Unthinkable! Oh Love of Christ, Love of Christ, Love of Christ - .......

Amen lastpost! Every truth is bound up in Christ Himself, being the very Truth Himself, and I love how your perspective on this is rooted in His reality.

If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.  2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.  3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.  4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. (Colossians 3:1-4)

I love the above passage, as it shows that we were raised with Christ, having died, and our life is hidden in Him because He is our life, and that when He appears, we must appear also!
> Gary Amirault's Corner < / Re: 24 Reasons Hell Is Real
« Last post by joeteekay on Today at 01:36:58 AM »
Love this thread. So many good responses from all you faithful in tentmaker.
I have copied and pasted the response of CHB and Marie into the original document.
I will add more of your very good comments as well as those of EW and mine when when I finish this.
Please see attached. Excuse any errors. The response could be an important STATEMENT about UR.
May be too late but does it matter?
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