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Hello.   I am in this forum because the reconciliation of all mankind is already believed and accepted by most if not all on this site, I assume.  We are in a time when we need to move on to maturity in Christ and it is available to day but we also must participate in learning and walking in that maturity.  I am not aware of what many people on this forum believe beyond universal salvation of all so if I share some things that are common knowledge please forgive me.  I am not going to read all post headings on the forum, at least not now.   I am a Canadian living on the west coast.  I know\believe we are now coming into the time of the judgment that must begin at the house of God.  This judgment is for God to give us understanding in us by revealing His wisdom to us and that wisdom will become our own wisdom, and then we have "judgment", meaning discernment and understanding of many, many things that are presently veiled to us because of the times of the past.  Today is "the day".  I would like to share something about who or what is the devil, using scripture. 
We know that the scripture tells us that Jesus destroyed "the enmity" that was in him through his witness of life and death in Israel.
The word enmity means among other things, contradiction or contradictory.  In other words, we can understand this to mean the two contradictory desires {lusts} that are in man.  The lust of the spirit and the lust of the flesh, or... good and evil desires and results.  They both bring about results in the world that differ one from another.  These two actions and the desires and mind that produce these results that are contrary to one another both work in us at times.  If we are honest we know they are IN us. They are what make mankind the actual existing witness of the parable of the tree of good and evil. We understand man has very commonly and naturally believed God to be like man is, doing both good and evil things to man in the world.  This has been the common belief through all the history of mankind, no matter what god or gods they gave names to and believed in and followed.
Timothy tells us to rightly divide the word of truth.  There is a truth about good and it's source, and there is a truth about evil and it's source, but they are not the same spirit\nature or mindset.  Galatians tells us where this enmity Jesus destroyed existed as he made of HIMSELF one new man. It naturally exists  In the first man we all are at birth, natural Adam.  The lust of the flesh desires against the lust or desires of the Spirit of God.  We know that the scripture tells us that the carnal mind is "enmity" with the law or Spirit of God.  The law of God is His nature, the divine nature mentioned as who we are to partake of in Second Peter.
But the carnal mind is not "the source" of the enmity.  The carnal mind is based upon something else that exists "before" the mind that is carnally based and founded is formed in one.  The world also witnesses the results of both good and evil deeds by man, nature, and it's existence in general.  The lusts of the flesh and the seed of God's goodness that are both naturally in all humans at their natural birth is the source of the carnal mind.  The body is carnal and the Spirit is life, and we dwell in and by both at birth.   The spirit of life in all people is the source of the seed of God.      We know that all people naturally have both good and not good desires, often not recognizing that the not good desires are really "not good".   Moses' and the prophets ministry and belief was based upon the experiences or "spirit" of the world they were and lived in and by.  Good and evil as if God were both.    That is why 2 Corinthians 3:6 tells us our ministry is to be of the spirit that GIVES life and not of the understanding of the letter that speaks about physical death and sorrow and destruction that is of our worldly existence and experience.  It says that Moses' ministry is to be "abolished".  As we know Christianity as a whole has not yet done this in their doctrines and understanding of Christ.
To see and understand scripture entirely from the Spirit that GIVES life is the single of eye understanding that makes that eye {understanding} full of light.
If there is darkness included in our eyesight {understanding and belief} about what God  is like, then the whole body is STILL full of darkness {ignorance, a lack of true spiritual understanding}.  But we know that same light is to be for all and TODAY IS THE DAY of this lightning that will shine from the east to the west as a parable in the scripture tells us the coming of the SON will be like.  This is the beginning of the noticeable flood of the Spirit of God upon the earth. This is the time when God's Spirit shall be poured out upon ALL FLESH, including the animals.  So, as this occurs line upon line where shall the "evil doing" reside as it shrinks to nothing?  We first must spiritually identify the source of enmity and what it really is in order to begin seeing by "the light of the world", the Spirit of God in Jesus Christ.   There is a 20 page attachment here.  I say 20 pages so you know before you upload it if you are interested.    thanks, donken

Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Never hearing about Jesus
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Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Never hearing about Jesus
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Like a sword the Word of God cuts me down  :thumbsup:

Thanks Seth!  Still answering my questions, just on a different platform haha God bless ya!

Hi....I'm Marilyn from Kansas City, MO!

I'm Dennis, recently arrived in Overland Park after 3+ years in Carlsbad, NM.  Back to my hometown, Kansas City generally, and Gladstone specifically.  My wife and I are now waiting to close on a house in Independence.  Treading water and biding time...
Bible Threatenings Explained / Re: Never hearing about Jesus
« Last post by Seth on April 22, 2014, 10:51:11 PM »
Quote from: jojoross
Aren't these verses showing that no matter what, people are not excused for not giving their life to God?

Also, what about those before Jesus came to earth, died and was resurrected?  Are they bound by these verses above as well?  Thanks!

Nobody is excused, which is why everyone must be saved. The wrath of God spoken in Romans 1 is expressed this way:

Romans 1
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

That's everyone. That's the wrath of God upon all mankind since Adam was expelled from the Garden of Eden, and therefore, everyone is born with a carnal mind. Everyone is born into death and must move from death to live.

Those who never heard of Christ remained carnally minded, and remained in death. When the time comes, God will reveal himself to all mankind through "the sons of God."

Romans 8
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility (according to Romans 1, by God himself), not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God

Anyone who never gave themselves to God, or knew Christ is part of that "Creation" who will be delivered from slavery into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
Christian Life / Re: Quotes to Ponder
« Last post by lastpost on April 22, 2014, 10:16:09 PM »
John 15

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Linked in Christ to the Great Giver, the friendship cloud of Spiritual Communion descends upon His servants and their fruit remains. What inexplicable joy to be linked to the Friend of friends!

Oh Father, enable us Thy children to always see beyond the clouds that obscure the sunshine of Thy imperishable Love.
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Fellowship
« Last post by jojoross on April 22, 2014, 09:38:41 PM »
Just wanted to tell you my story:

I was raised Mormon.  Great family.  Very faithful to the religion and still are.  I was about 17 years old when I denounced my faith and became an agnostic. I partied all throughout High school and through college. I researched (minor research at that) all the religions out there. They all seemed to have bits and pieces of Mormonism. Which Mormons always say they have the "whole true gospel", so in my head, I thought after I get out my wild side, I will go back to Mormonism (since my family were so "good")! But in all reality, Mormonisim teaches a different gosepl...the "cart before the horse" gospel.

Anyways I meet my future Christian wife at a local bar in 2008 (haha yes you heard me) that I always went too. She rejected me at first, but after many attempts, I finally got her haha. She is the one who pointed me in the direction of the real Jesus of the bible and after 4 years of going to North Coast Church (Vista, CA), I finally submitted and accepted Jesus in my life in June 2012.

Since I gave my life to Jesus I have been studying the Word almost every day since then.  By researching Mormonism I have grown stronger in my belief in who Jesus really is. I am so thankful for that. I searched a lot in the history of Mormonism. By looking at the history, it helped to confirm the huge falsehood on their claims and beliefs. I know for a fact if any Mormon would really dig into the history, there is no way they could believe in the lie anymore. The internet is a great tool now in our time to dig up the past and find truth.
So I started to use the same research method for Christianity that I used for Mormonism. I did not like what I found. What I have found is PEGANAISM bringing their beliefs into God's Gospel! Men using their carnal ways and not using the Holy Spirit to choose their path and the path for others. I don't know if you have done any looking into this (I am sure you have) but I just got peeved to be quite honest with you. When the Holy Spirit came down at Penacost, we now had God in us to guide our path, not man:

Jeremiah 31:31-34-

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
There it is! Straight from the Word. We accept Jesus as saviour and He will guide us down our path. Men can't show us that path.

By looking into the Greek and Hebrew languag of the bible, it all opened up to me.  Found AION meaning age not forever.  This is what brought fort the "can of worms". 

I had a lot thoughts come into my head. Isn't faith ONLY to believe in what is not seen?? No not according to scripture (Paul at Damascus and Thomas feeling Jesus' resurrected body). What is the point if EVERYONE is going to be saved?? The peace that is in me due to my belief in Jesus is worth more than anything in this life. I actually have more love for people by discovering this. I want to proclaim the Gospel even more than I did.

I love what God has been showing me. His love has been driving me full throttle. God is love (1 John 4:8). If you do anything in your walk without love it is useless to God (1 Corin. 13:1-3). That is what it is all about man. That is where I am going to stay.

Mark Twain has a great quote:
"I am aware that when even the brightest mind in our world has been trained up from childhood in a superstition of any kind, it will never be possible for that mind, in its maturity, to examine sincerely, dispassionately, and conscientiously any evidence or any circumstance which shall seem to cast a doubt upon the validity of that superstition." – Mark Twain

BUT Gods Word says it the best:

1Co 1:25-29
The foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to naught things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence.


For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

I am a little fearful, but I have 100% faith God will lead me to where I need to be. God is sooooooo good to save a wretch like me!!!!!!!!!! AMEN!!

Jo Jo
Bible Threatenings Explained / Never hearing about Jesus
« Last post by jojoross on April 22, 2014, 09:23:26 PM »
Hey everyone,

I have heard a couple of times that there are people who have come and passed that never heard the message of Jesus.  But what about these verses:

Romans 2:12-16(ESV)-12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus

Romans 1:20(ESV)- For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Aren't these verses showing that no matter what, people are not excused for not giving their life to God?

Also, what about those before Jesus came to earth, died and was resurrected?  Are they bound by these verses above as well?  Thanks!
Welcome Central - **FIRST POST MUST BE MADE HERE / Re: Where are you from?
« Last post by jojoross on April 22, 2014, 09:16:06 PM »
Jordan from Carlsbad, CA.  If anyone is close lets get a bible study going!!
----It also has changed my emotions and attitude towards those whom I would consider enemies.  "And such were some of you" is what Paul wrote.  However bad someone is, if I believe they are beyond forgiveness then that means I do not value or understand God's forgivness towards me.  The same sin that makes my "enemy" wretched is what made me wretched.  There is nothing better in me than in them.  Praise be to God that He saved me and that He will save them.  I now feel love towards them.  I also now do not revel in the idea that "one day God will show them".  I revel in the fact that though they now are full of hatred one day they will know the joy of worshipping our loving God.   ----

I think this is the most important aspect of the Truth in UR.  It totally draws out the LOVE of God.  You truly see "love your enemies" in your life.  So stoked for you brother!  WELCOME!  God Bless!

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