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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Does God punish?
« Last post by Seth on Today at 07:54:52 AM »
Oh Seth, don't be sad... those little old ladies delight in giving (outward behavior) "tithes"...   I live with many little old ladies who rush to play bingo, travel to casinos, etc., etc.,.... they're doing what they as unregenerate beings are capable of doing...   If you're going to be sad... be sad that many of us who claim to be born again are wasting time... are we doing what we are capable of doing?????

I know what you mean,  but I feel that if it didn't make me sad, I wouldn't care. Does that make sense?
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Christian Life / Re: War in heaven
« Last post by ed on Today at 06:49:55 AM »
Thanks sheila.

I'm interested in the Danial take.  I've never studied it before.

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I thank God for the unrest of my soul, for the unrest signifies change, and change signifies the manifestation of the kingdom of God overtaking my kingdom. Until He has accomplished the necessary overthrowing of my dragon, I will incline my heart to Him, and I will sing of His greatness and the enduring mercies of David.  I will have my rest in Him, until the kingdoms of my world become the kingdoms of the Kingly Lord.   Let the heathen rage and let the earth reel to and fro like a drunkard, but I will stand still and hold my peace, for the Lord is my deliverer and my reward.  Woe to the inhabitants of my earth, for the dragon is cast down into my earthly mind, and there will be great judgments upon that part of my fallen self, but I will stay in the house of the Lord and will open up my doors and my gates to the rising King and He and I will sup together and will drink the new wine of His kingdom and break the bread of His fellowship.  Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him!
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Revelation/rev141.htm
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Christian Life / Re: War in heaven
« Last post by sheila on Today at 06:31:25 AM »
well..the war is not against flesh and blood,but powers and principalities in high places. It is a spiritual warfare..Christ wages

 war in righteousness[He come to break up the work of the devil]

  in the book of Daniel you will see Gabriel prevented from getting the revelation that God desired be delivered to him

  due to the 'prince[apality] of Persia' and it was when Michael come to assist him[Gabriel] that the spiritual message

  was able to be delivered.  The stras of the heavens[angels] fight for the Lord..to spiritually edify,inform reveal.

   the enmity between the seed continues..until the enemy seed's head is crushed.

      the adversary does 'war' against God's will..that is why he is called a rebellious spirit.  I will put enmity between the

 serpent's seed and the seed of the woman.
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Christian Life / War in heaven
« Last post by ed on Today at 06:08:43 AM »
I have no idea where this idea comes from.

Was there an actual war? 

For me there could not be a war with God.  I'd like for some of you to share your understanding of it.

Is it all from Revelation? 

Every time some states "there was a war in heaven" I wonder.................
My faith is not dualistic.  I don't see anything that could war with God.

Along the same lines could you all share your understanding of the devil?  I don't really get that part either.  Is there a devil being who is in charge of the evil on the world?

Thanks for your help.

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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Does God punish?
« Last post by sheila on Today at 05:19:37 AM »
well,about 50 dollars was most likely all they had left for the whole month for anything . and it was the unregenerate again

  that spent their 50 dollars at the casino. what's the difference from giving it to the crooks at the casino or the crooks of sme

  of these so called 'ministries"?  only difference is one is robbing in the name of God and the other the state.

  now this is imo Anna..but I do think I have a scriptural basis in regard to it.  no offense meant to you  :HeartThrob:

 
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Does God punish?
« Last post by anna274 on Today at 05:10:35 AM »
Sheila, I live in a low-income housing apartment complex...  for the elderly and disabled...  many are wonderful, loving, gracious, generous... I am often inspired by some...  others, who often times laugh at me because I pay so much for fresh fruit and veggies... think nothing of spending $50 for a trip to the casino... 
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Does God punish?
« Last post by sheila on Today at 04:57:53 AM »
 Anna,that's just it..it's the poor and destitute widows thatare giving..not the unregenrate ones with money to gamble..

   I ran an adult daycare.. forthe really poor  ones..That did well to eat.

   People mistakenly think Jesus was commending the poor widow for giving all her mean's of living in the temple. Actually

   He was showing how badly Father's laws had fallen from their purpose..of providing for the poor widows,destitute,orphans

  etc. The tithe was always according to[percentage] of what you prospered.  See the generous provisions in the law for

  the poor.  In Mark 12 He had just finished speaking of the religious leaders[38-40] DEVOURING WIDOWS HOUSES

   the exploitation of widows was also what cntributed to God's house becoming a den of robbers and theives also.

   So,imo He was not holding that example of the widow,as something to emulate. But was showing the greed of the religious

leaders that robbed people in the name of worshipping God.
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That's very helpful, thank you both. I will keep praying and seeking God's will on the matter. Ultimately I believe he is calling me out of the church. I just need to take a step out in faith and trust him.   :Peace2:

I am not saying that most of us don't already understand this but, imo,  we cannot be called out of the church- it is His body, the ecclesia. We can be in man's imitation of the church and called to be there as salt and water, but "not one stone will be left standing upon another" of that edifice. We can be called outside the "camp"- which I consider to be the ground in between that which is living and moving forward and that which is dead or dying- as a witness that God is no longer dwelling in it in His glory, which is the presence of the Spirit working in love through the "living stones" of the habitation of God in the spirit", which is fitly joined together upon the chief cornerstone, Jesus, always standing tall in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, constructed through the generations of this age and the last- the New Jerusalem coming down(being revealed) out of the heavenlies clothed in white linen, the righteous acts of the saints(called out ones). The ecclesia of God, the gathered together called out ones is the real church, His body, the fulness of Him who fills all in all- and He is its head(Eph 1) .

Discerning the difference between the living temple/body and the synagogues that have died(strengthen that which is living but is about to die....Rev) is something God is teaching in every generation, and that we will all see in the first resurrection(again, this is my opinion:o).
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Does God punish?
« Last post by anna274 on Today at 03:47:59 AM »
Oh Seth, don't be sad... those little old ladies delight in giving (outward behavior) "tithes"...   I live with many little old ladies who rush to play bingo, travel to casinos, etc., etc.,.... they're doing what they as unregenerate beings are capable of doing...   If you're going to be sad... be sad that many of us who claim to be born again are wasting time... are we doing what we are capable of doing????? 
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Judgement and Punishment / Re: Does God punish?
« Last post by Seth on Today at 03:37:16 AM »
I think about all the little old ladies giving thier last dimes to the tithe for to be spent on yahts...makes me sad
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