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Our lives are but fine weavings
That God and we prepare,
Each life becomes a fabric planned
And fashioned in His care.

We may not always see just how
The weavings intertwine,
But we must trust the Master's hand
And follow His design,
For He can view the pattern
Upon the upper side,
While we must look from underneath
And trust in Him to guide...

Sometimes a strand of sorrow
Is added to His plan,
And though it's difficult for us,
We still must understand
That it's He who fills the shuttle,
It's He who knows what's best,
So we must weave in patience
And leave to Him the rest...

Not till the loom is silent
And the shuttles cease to fly
Shall God unroll the canvas
And explain the reason why ---
The dark threads are as needed
In the Weaver's skillful hand
As the threads of gold and silver
In the pattern He has planned.

---Author Unknown
Quote from: rosered on Today at 02:10:04 AM

  Its weird I was just looking up the   seven women  taking a hold of one man
  in Isaiah 4   1For seven women will take hold of one man in that day, saying, "We will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes, only let us be called by your name; take away our reproach!" 2In that day the Branch of the LORD will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth will be the pride and the adornment of the survivors of Israel.
  I was thinking but could be wrong   if it is the 7 churches/women  in the right hand of the Lord in Rev 2 and 3 ?
 Just curious to yours or anyone opinion
I have not heard of that, so would have to think on it to offer my opinion.  :dontknow: At first glance I see the similarity of 7, but there are differences which do not appear to mesh with both accounts as to the character of the women and the character of the assemblies.

I agree   with you   those 7 women seem like a part of Babylon to me ,   a Husband to  ONE man iysh Strong's H376 - 'iysh
ēsh (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
Contracted for אֱנוֹשׁ (H582) [or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant] still in existence; surviving.
TWOT Reference
Outline of Biblical Usage

man, male (in contrast to woman, female)


human being, person (in contrast to God)




great man


each (adjective)
 I have wonderred about this for a few years  now
   the main reason I have  is because of John 's  revelations      of seeing the  Great Harlot and abomination  of the earth   Babylon and  was in awe of her splendor    in the earth
 and thought if  He even being in the Spirit on the Lords Day and receiving all this  unveiling of    Prophecy /Jesus Christ   by the Spirit     had to be corrected  by the Messenger   as to why are you in awe of her??  AND  the scriptures message  of , "if it were possible even the very elect would be deceived"

 the very elect of God  and it was not possible because John was corrected  right there on the spot   in the Spirit  by a spiritual  messenger         /angel

   also by Jesus  in Matt 24  as to the false christ's /anointed ones     and as to where they were to look and  most not to look and that being even in the secret chambers  of the hearts to me        Matt 23 describes   its Jerusalem    Jesus is directly speaking to   , the lost  and  wandering off sheep of Israel .

 , I just have to wonder also if    those  7 churches/assemblies /women  are like a    race   and are  Like Paul mentions running the race as to receive the prize  of the Higher calling  and that is the Spirit saying come up here    , Jesus being the   Reward    and Jesus says His rewards are with Him  ,

and noted in every one of these   women  / assemblies are corrections     with flaws   and errors /sins     that have to be chastened  by the Lord Jesus  and the rewards of overcoming     ,  this overcoming is like    running a race that Paul speaks of    that can and does beset us  , or causes a stumbling block in the way  that we have to   overcome or  escape  as a trap in
   and thought of the 7 hills/ rulers   and Jesus does appoint seven stars / messengers over the   seven women or assemblies

Maybe this is the test that comes upon the whole word to test them ?      all in the Hnd /power of Jesus Christ  to bring correction  as found in Isaiah 4  for Gods glory

 I know   that  the  seven hills are in Rome and Jerusalem  and than there is Sodom and Egypt /symbolically called is Jerusalem  and is also that is called Babylon also  ,

 Babylon is divided into  3 parts     we have  some old testament  scriptures   to prove this  as well as some new  , they all  have  patterns to them
  Jerusalem went into  Babylon  captivity    and you could not  hardly tell the difference between the two  , Babylon affected Jerusalem    where  the good and bad figs they were the  "fruit "  of their doings  ,  those coming our were good really good and the others coming out were worse
 we can by allegory see Gal 4   as Paul to saying the same things  of servants to heirs as children and no difference    but only though the tutoring/  teaching and correction 

  we also Know Paul addresses  the earthly Jerusalem in name only !!  but is 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.  Not Babylon  who appears   glorious in the earth      and answers to Jerusalem

some examples ...
 Rev 11  and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.[Jerusalem ]   

Jer 23:14   I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
 Revelations   16
 18And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. 20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Rev 17:9   And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.   we know this is the  fake  image in the earth [ seven spirits more wicked than himself     Jesus tells when you go out seeking  in dry places ]
 I wonder about the  7   assemblies as a Menorah as well   the lampstands that  can have their light  put out  as a warning ,    that is under the control of the Lord Jesus Christ     
  For me its hard to tell   one is above and heavenly  the other is  earthly and below     and that is the main distinctions    between the two   sets of   7  women   assemblies /churches        the Holy and life giving   is above and Spirit
   the below is  also spiritual but deadly and devouring
 I know this is  pretty choppy  , and hard to follow    , I do apologize for that
Christian Life / Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Last post by rosered on Today at 01:02:32 PM »
So to summarize, even if it would be proven without a doubt the NT was originally written in Latin it doesn't remove the underlying Jewish mindset.

    This is a great point taken   Tony !
  You are so right and they  are Gods chosen ,
  and certainly   as a nation and elect of God  , they have suffered  and made an example of   from the beginning of   keeping record!
Our Bible 
I agree  with you the patterns and concepts and language  and mainly in my opinion  EXAMPLE set   as first chosen   is an excellent    learning start  .
 the original Eastern  concept with Hebrew origin /roots
Don't tell that to any feminist activists, bro, or you might catch some heat for it.
Feminists are so cute :-)

Some people just see problems were they are not.
"I'm yours forever" is something both men and women say to each other when in love. Are they making statements of slavery and ownership? Maybe someone from another culture would assume so; but for English speaking people it just means "I really, really, really love you."

This thread started out as NT books being written in Hebrew. Later the thread became an idiom thread. Maybe I should have started a new one....
Anyway it serves as proof that literal translation of a book, any book including the Bible, rarely is the best approach.
"I'm yours forever." simply and undeniably is a statement of ownership. Every lexicon will show you that "yours" is about owning something. But we all know that's not what those words are about. Likewise we can without any doubt prove the meaning of Hebrew and Greek words.... and still be totally wrong because idioms never are the sum of the literal meanings of the words.

Idioms are (part of) the proof that the NT was written* in Hebrew. Simply because those idioms only exited in Hebrew and not in Greek. I know the argument that they spoke Aramaic and even that the NT was written in Aramaic. While that's more and more disputed by scholars it doesn't really change the discussion because Armiac isn't Greek.

*=Likely you many times read my posts and thought something like: He did spell the words correctly but why did he switch noun and verb?
That's because I'm Dutch and I'm unable to get out my Dutch mindset, of if you wish grammar rules out of my English. Good linguists can spot Dutch, German, French, etc people from a mile away when writing in English.
The NT Greek is even worse. The translators didn't even attempt to replace Hebrew idioms with Greek idioms. When doing a one on one translation from Greek to Hebrew, the result is a verse that usually perfect Hebrew (complete with idioms)

The most important aspect is culture. No matter if the NT was written in directly in Greek or translated from Hebrew or Armiac it's writers were Jews. A Jew, especially in that time, wasn't defined as someone who speaks Hebrew. Every fiber of them was soaked in OT related thought patterns. The whole society was build around OT feasts, laws, customs and of course God and His Temple. So if <insert your favorite person> communicated with Gentiles they may have spoke Greek, Latin or any other language to them, but brain and heart were still completely Jewish.

So to summarize, even if it would be proven without a doubt the NT was originally written in Latin it doesn't remove the underlying Jewish mindset.
FORUM GUIDELINES and Admin Posts / Re: Forum Maintenance
« Last post by WhiteWings on Today at 09:48:21 AM »
thanks rose :)  yes they are

tony, i passed your suggestion about updating onto gary...he said the server is giving them fits and they're having trouble with support (in india now) and may change servers...he is contacting karen about a thing or two and we'll pass along pertinent info as it comes...thanks
It's for Karen and Gary to decide but Arvixe is cheap, flexible  and gets great user reviews on their support. I have only a tiny site but have been on their support forum. They are really on the problem. Servers are US based.
Humor-Poems-Songs-Movies / Re: And We Know-
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 09:33:29 AM »
Wow, datsa a lotta manna :o)
That said, I could totally see that the kingdom will increase with the non religious before the oppressive religious folks, once the process is underway. The first shall be last, after all.

I agree.
Perhaps, but I think Paul was clear that his faithfulness is what caused him to have a crown laid up for him after his death, for many are called but few are chosen. Even if that means that ONLY Paul will inherit the kingdom of God in the day of The Lord, I think he laid out the criteria for it pretty clearly at least to me. Those who believe in Christ and love their neighbor, and are faithful to the end shall inherit the kingdom. That's just what I believe the scripture is saying.

Yes, but his faithfulness was by the grace of God. Previously he had been hostile of mind and full of evil works, having murdered Christians- self-confessed "the chief of sinners". That is what he is speaking to in Col 1:21-23, imo.
That said, I could totally see that the kingdom will increase with the non religious before the oppressive religious folks, once the process is underway. The first shall be last, after all.
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