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"But the Scripture which crowns all, and the last which I shall bring into proof, is Revelation 5:13. Here all creation is at Christ's feet, and that not with tears in their eyes, or petitions in their hands, not with crying or supplications or weeping because things were hidden and kept secret; but with joy in their hearts, and praises in their mouths; with melody on their lips, and hallelujahs on their tongues; with looks and countenances full of satisfaction and delight; and their faces, instead of gathering blackness, turning into paleness, or being covered with shame and confusion (as once was the case with some of them) they all now shine as the sun, replete with light, life and love, full of ecstasy and rapture. And that because the book written within and on the backside, and sealed with seven seals, is now opened and unsealed, and all things revealed and explained: their own cases particularly unfolded to their view, with all the ways and means their loving Saviour took to bring them to the situation they are now in, with other miracles of grace and love.

Where then there is universal praise and thanksgiving, universal harmony and love, and both heaven and earth sounding and resounding acclamations of joy and peace, there must be universal salvation."
Arguments Against Universal Salvation / Re: Psalms 55 Hell?
« Last post by gregoryfl on Today at 02:05:13 PM »
In the books of Moses, there is at least one instance of people being punished by God by the ground opening, and the people falling alive into the opening, to die under the ground.  I think the Psalmist meant it that way.
I would see it the same way. The word 'quick' in the AV does not mean what it means today. It meant 'alive' back then, such as in another more familiar scripture which speaks of God 'quickening the dead.'

Sheol and the grave are not the same. Sheol is שאול which comes from the root שאל, which means 'to ask'. Sheol is a place that asks, or requests those who end up in it.  It was considered in those days to be beneath the earth, and since only the dead went there, it was an unseen and unknown place. Grave in Hebrew is קבורה comes from the root קבר, which means 'to heap over'. A grave is literally a heaped over place, where you dig a hole, put the body in it, and heap the dirt on top.
Christian Life / Re: 'In Christ'...How?
« Last post by gregoryfl on Today at 01:49:26 PM »
As your minds are settled on the matter, then I will respectfully decline sharing anymore on the matter. I am not here to ruffle feathers or worse yet, make enemies. You are all my brothers and sisters in our common faith and Master, and that relationship means much more to me than trying to prove a point, especially on a matter that I believe does not affect one's salvation. I am not very familiar with mr. Pearson, although if he is saying there is no sin in the world, then I would have to say he is miles apart from what I understand this teaching to be about.

Arguments Against Universal Salvation / Re: Psalms 55 Hell?
« Last post by Seth on Today at 06:15:54 AM »
Arguments Against Universal Salvation / Re: Psalms 55 Hell?
« Last post by jabcat on Today at 06:12:01 AM »
 :thumbsup:  Agreed.  No one in the OT warned about it as a consequence of sin, God didn't use it to warn Adam and Eve, and Paul never did (who said he preached the WHOLE gospel).  I think it's impossible that ET could be an option if not ever warned about throughout the whole OT.   :2c:
It seems to me there was also a change in government after each of these eonian transitions.
Arguments Against Universal Salvation / Re: Psalms 55 Hell?
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 06:02:08 AM »
Hell is a word that was applied to Sheol by men who were coerced to enforce a false doctrine with a deceitful translation. Any tru scholars among them were overuled by the professional clerics among them. If there is a hell(fiery torment, demons toruring and being tortured, infants women and children in torment forever) Moses or David or Isaiah would have said SOMETHING about it IN DETAIL- but no prophet of the old testament ever did, . :Chinscratch:
Thank You Jesus for being the "radiance of the Father's glory and the exact representation of His nature. Your love always shining through to give "the light of the knowledgfe of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

"His face was like the sun shining in its strength"

That light is LOVE! :o)
It is also true that the oppression of religious peer pressure and the fear of being dis-fellowshipped; along with being called a heretic and being threatened with eternal torment for questioning eternal torment- keeps many believers in bondage to the deception.
Christian Life / Re: 'In Christ'...How?
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 05:49:04 AM »
Amen and Amen!
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