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Amen, brother. I believe the Father created all to serve a purpose in this grand drama of the universe, and he will eventually reconcile all on earth and in the heavens when there will be no more need for evil because he will be all in all.
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I agree with pretty much all you said about the eventuality of Satan being saved along with demons.  :thumbsup:
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I think the demons and Satan know who the Father is, but he created them for the purpose of being adversaries. That's why, despite the fact that some think it is unjust, I think they will also be reconciled. I think he created believers for the purpose of manifesting his love in this material world as a witness to the entire universe. I think we believe and are saved for eonian life because we've been chosen before we were even born to do so, not because of anything we've chosen to do. I realize this idea is not popular, but it's my understanding of scripture.
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: I had a little debate with an ET believer
« Last post by Seth on November 26, 2014, 11:59:32 PM »
The word "faith," translated from the Greek "pistis," literally "belief," is the noun for "believe."

"Now faith is an assumption of what is being expected, a conviction concerning matters which are not being observed" (Hebrews 11:1)

I think our sight is usually limited to the material world, but we've been given faith, or belief, as a gift from God. I think demons know who he is because they can see him in the spiritual realm.

Personally, I believe the distinction James is intending to draw is that the demons believe but do not act in love, so those who believe God is one, though doing well in that sense, are no more saved/healed from sin than demons are if they believe but their actions are not consistent with acting in love.

And I Think he clarifies his intention in the previous chapter when he says "put away all that remains of wickedness and receive the word implanted which  is able to save/heal your souls."
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: I had a little debate with an ET believer
« Last post by Tom on November 26, 2014, 11:58:09 PM »
I think we have faith, or belief, as a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8,9), because we're saved for eonian life, having been chosen before the disruption of the world (Ephesians 1:4). I think we sin because it is in our flesh, but grace superexceeds when we do (Romans 5:20) and there's no condemnation in Christ (Romans 8:1).
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Book of Revelation / Re: Souls Under the Altar
« Last post by micah7:9 on November 26, 2014, 11:47:20 PM »
Rev. 6:9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Who are these souls, why are they talking, and what do they mean?

What John was seeing was thousands of years in the future from his vantage point on Patmos. He was taken in spirit into the future day of the Lord. He wasn't "in spirit on the Lord's day" as if it were Saturday or Sunday. So the souls under the alter is actually figuratively speaking of those believers who were slain as if they were slain on an altar and their blood ran under the altar. The old testament says "the soul is in the blood."

Just as Abel's blood cried out in a figurative sense (blood doesn't really talk, now does it?) so the blood of those slain were, in a sense, crying out for justice.

"in spirit on the Lord's day" as if it were Saturday or Sunday."  This I believe is the real matter, the Spirit.
Rev 1:10  I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard
Rev 2:7  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith  unto the churches;
Rev 2:17  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
Rev 4:2  And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold
Rev 17:3  So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness
Rev 21:10  And he carried me away in the spirit
Rev 4:1  After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: "   …a door was opened in heaven, …"      I have been on this forum enough to know that most, if not all believe[know] that "heaven" is not a geographical location, just as "hell" is not a geographical place, so what John received was "in the Spirit." I find Tony N to be very close to my given understanding…. my :2c: of understanding thus far.

"What John was seeing was thousands of years in the future from his vantage point on Patmos. He was taken in spirit into the future day of the Lord. He wasn't "in spirit on the Lord's day" as if it were Saturday or Sunday. So the souls under the alter is actually figuratively speaking of those believers who were slain as if they were slain on an altar and their blood ran under the altar. The old testament says "the soul is in the blood." 
Just as Abel's blood cried out in a figurative sense (blood doesn't really talk, now does it?) so the blood of those slain were, in a sense, crying out for justice. (Tony N)
Lev. 17: 11 for the soul of the flesh,  it is in the blood…
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: I had a little debate with an ET believer
« Last post by Seth on November 26, 2014, 11:46:12 PM »
I agree. And love, of course, is more than a feeling.   :dsunny:

Love is more than a feeling is music to my ears.

Literally
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: I had a little debate with an ET believer
« Last post by dajomaco on November 26, 2014, 11:42:56 PM »
I agree. And love, of course, is more than a feeling.   :dsunny:

Love is more than a feeling is music to my ears.
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: I had a little debate with an ET believer
« Last post by Tom on November 26, 2014, 11:40:46 PM »
The word "faith," translated from the Greek "pistis," literally "belief," is the noun for "believe."

"Now faith is an assumption of what is being expected, a conviction concerning matters which are not being observed" (Hebrews 11:1)

I think our sight is usually limited to the material world, but we've been given faith, or belief, as a gift from God. I think demons know who he is because they can see him in the spiritual realm.
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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: I had a little debate with an ET believer
« Last post by dajomaco on November 26, 2014, 11:39:48 PM »
You have to believe God is Love.
Then you can enter into the works that where prepared before hand for you.

Yes, but you cannot believe God is Love, but remain in darkness and be saved. One must come out of darkness. Those who remain in darkness are not saved from darkness. And John equates remaining in darkness as hating ones brother. That is why I believe in the concept of "already saved" in the sense of provision being made for it. But I don't think the Bible teaches that everyone is already saved beyond that, which is why their phraseology is consistent with idea that we are saved after we believe and come into the light.

If I have the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so that I can move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

I agree. And love, of course, is more than a feeling.  :dsunny:

The provision is already there,(saved)
then the gift of faith,(believe I am saved)
then the turning from darkness.(walking in my salvation)
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