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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: Are Universalists, Trinitarians?
« Last post by Seth on Today at 07:10:30 PM »
I agree but but I think the fire for the LOF is for destruction not for building faith. For me, the "just" if they are to be in the lake of fire, are actually "ungodly men" who Peter said were reserved for destruction. I agree that fire is a symbol of judgement, but I would say also that not all judgments take the same form. Some fire is representative of Grace, and some for resistance of the proud.
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: Are Universalists, Trinitarians?
« Last post by micah7:9 on Today at 06:59:33 PM »
I believe it was clarified that it's not a IN the fire situation. There is to be a judgment, now my  :2c: is that the elect/chosen are being judged now...for those who have ears to hear, by FIRE.
1Pe 4:17  because it is the time of the beginning of the judgment from the house of God, and if first from us, what the end of those disobedient to the good news of God?
That judgment is FIRE, my  :2c: is that all judgment is FIRE.  The L of F is the FINAL judgment by FIRE. This is all a spiritual work. 
Joh 5:29  and they shall come forth; those who did the good things to a rising again of life, and those who practised the evil things to a rising again of judgment.


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Word Studies / Re: 10th hour, 6th hour in John
« Last post by WhiteWings on Today at 06:48:13 PM »
See attached picture.
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: Are Universalists, Trinitarians?
« Last post by Seth on Today at 06:31:27 PM »
In my opinion, if the just are to be in the lake of fire, then they weren't really just. They were most likely having their own righteousness. If we look at the parable of the sheep and goats, to me the description of the goats epitomizes who is in the LOF. Same with the description of who is "outside" the gates.
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: Are Universalists, Trinitarians?
« Last post by micah7:9 on Today at 06:23:41 PM »
So from what I have gathered the "just" and the "elect/chosen" are equally the same?
I believe when Jesus said, "many are called but few are chosen" I see the many as the just. I believe the elect/chosen are the few.
I understand the Lake of Fire to be the ultimate refining fire of purification.
I see in the verses below as a very special time, I do not see the "just or the many" I see an ELECT/CHOSEN :2c:
Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5  This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So if there is a "first" resurrection, there must be another. "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power..." sounds to me like the "second death"[the LoF] could be that "another?" again my :2c:

"The just will enter the reconciliation at that time..." so there is no decisions [judgments]made in this reconciliation?

Noah was a "just" man, yet he was not and could not be "in Christ."
Ecc 7:20  For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

If the above be true, then the "just" most certainly will be judged.  :2c:
Gotta run to the bank running out of change :dsunny:
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Word Studies / Re: 10th hour, 6th hour in John
« Last post by Tom on Today at 05:15:17 PM »
I think the 10th hour is 4pm, and the 6th hour is noon.
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Word Studies / 10th hour, 6th hour in John
« Last post by Deena on Today at 04:58:20 PM »
The gospel of John notes specific hours that things happened. Can someone put this in context for me? What marks the first hour in comparison to how we measure time? What is John pointing out in its acknowledgement?
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FAQs Regarding UR / Re: Are Universalists, Trinitarians?
« Last post by eaglesway on Today at 04:39:40 PM »
I do not believe any "just" will be judged in the lake of fire. Only the unjust.  :2c:

As I see it, all those from all the ages, everyone who is not in the first resurrection, from Adam to the last person to die in the millenial reign, will be judged at the Great White Throne.

The just will enter the reconciliation at that time, the unjust will enter kolassis, until they bow the knee and are subjected to the Lordship an unity of Christ.

Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
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...good stuff Roger, but I disagree with Thayer about Gehenna that "Jesus metaphorically referenced as a future potential punishment" because I think it will be used, as Isaiah prophesied, to burn the corpses of condemned criminals as it was in the past.

"And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and see the corpses of the mortals who transgressed against Me, For their worm shall not die, And their fire shall not be quenched, And they will become a repulsion to all flesh." (Isaiah 66:23,24)

The dead unbelievers are not immortal souls who will be alive to be punished in the unseen, Gehenna, or the lake of fire because the dead know nothing.

"The soul that is sinning-it does die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

"The soul that does sin-it does die." (Ezekiel 18:20)

"For the living know that they shall die, But the dead know nothing whatsoever" (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
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Even though you said you're "not UR," it seems you just said you believe it, which is a good, and it has nothing to do with being in a "denomination," right?
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