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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2009, 09:33:07 AM »

Maybe my views are too shallow or something?


but...y'know...
they're not.
at all.

My views actually run very, very deep.
What I think about in relation to this world and love and God...my beliefs...what I feel about HIM and His relation to US.  y'know, it's NOT shallow. Not one bit.

I'm actually feeling very repentent for even thinking that.
Like I just dishonored everything He has ever led me too....

Well, I hereby take back what I said up there in the quote.
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"I knelt to drink,
And knew that I was on the brink
Of endless joy. And everywhere
I turned I saw a wonder there."

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2009, 11:43:09 AM »

Maybe my views are too shallow or something?


but...y'know...
they're not.
at all.

My views actually run very, very deep.
What I think about in relation to this world and love and God...my beliefs...what I feel about HIM and His relation to US.  y'know, it's NOT shallow. Not one bit.

I'm actually feeling very repentent for even thinking that.
Like I just dishonored everything He has ever led me too....

Well, I hereby take back what I said up there in the quote.


You're talking to yourself again!!!  :thumbsup:

A shallow stream has a lot of frenetic action, little tributaries running in various patterns and in various directions.

A deep deep river is a single simplistic stable flow.  :happy3:

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2009, 03:53:38 PM »
Y'know, CP... I had started to post a thread a week or so ago, and I never posted it, but I saved the text. (It's in Blue.)

Just curious.

What if...
the bible was discovered to be a complete fraud?
What if all religion turned out to be false?

How would that affect you?
would you still believe in God?
What would you do if you weren't able to discuss  bible verses and bible meanings?

My views are that I have found considerable comfort and meaning and truth in the bible.
However, my belief in God does not depend on it.
I believed in God before I read anything in the bible.
It was the BIBLE that actually made me sort of turn away from God, to be honest. (in the beginning when my eyes were a bit hazy.)
I see God's word all over His creation.
I feel Him in my heart.

It wasn't the bible that helped me believe in God, actually, it was in SPITE of the bible.
And then when I started putting the jigsaw pieces together, and reading the bible from a new set of eyes, did the bible even start to make some sort of sense.

I know some of you grew up on the bible and have completely opposite experiences.
I was just curious.

Pretty much nothing can shake my belief in God.
Aliens landing? Nope, Still believe in God.
Evil getting worse? Nope, still believe in God.
The world turning inside out? Nope, still believe in God.

I feel like... He's USED the bible to talk to me.

hmmm.I guess I just see it as... what is the POINT in debating all the verses and every last little shred of whatever that's in the bible, when you've kind of gotten the gist of what God is trying to tell us? about LOVE. And what it means. and how GOD IS LOVE. and that LOVE is what we need to LEARN.
Isn't that the point?


seems like we make it too difficult. When really it's something so simple a child can understand. And actually children DO understand... it's just they lose more and more of it as they age in this fallen world and get away from innocence. But... that's ALSO the point. To experience the darkness so we can appreciate and cling to the light, cling to GOD.  WE.NEED.GOD. Period. That's what this life shows us... We Need Him. We can't rule ourselves. Look around you at our life, at the world, We cannot rule ourselves. WE NEED HIM. (and He needs us because He loves us.)

Why do we NEED all that other stuff...?
Sometimes, I look at all the forums and all the thousands of different discussions going on dissecting scripture and I think, doesn't this just get turned into yet ANOTHER distraction?
something to keep us busy.
Too busy to go out and start trying to spread the love.  :dontknow:
 
:dontknow:   <----- I really don't know. I don't know if I'm wrong or right or what. just don't know.

 peace.

Sparrow, I want to say Wowzer but some may think I'm overreacting to this post of yours because you have been so nice to me. You have and I'm not.

Seriously I have been thinking the same thing about the Bible. I think the Bible is a very special book being used by God but I have already said in other places that I am starting to think it is being used in ways different than what we think it's meant for.

I too see the Bible as blinding as many as it has given sight to and it stands up and says that of itself.......... I thank you God that you have hidden these things.......

I see it causing much infighting and it stands up and takes credit for doing that too........I come to bring division.......

People have argued over every aspect of the Bible since the first word........Peter and Paul.

Such a great insight Sparrow about if there was no Bible would we still love and seek God. I literally had this same thought last night. I did. I also came to the conclusion that I would probably have a better relationship with Him if I never encountered the Bible! This scares the heeby jeebies out of me. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. I will seek God on the matter much more.

Again, I too see the relevance of the Bible but I see the relevance of all of Gods spoken words which is all life to me. The Bible is not 66 books to me. It is 66 books, every insect that lives, every flower that blooms, every person that draws breath, every fish that swims. These and so much more are the Bible to me, the Word of GOd.

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #53 on: March 12, 2009, 04:07:45 PM »
I'm reading this over again and it is so good I want to dissect it a bit if for nothing else, for my own sake......

Y'know, CP... I had started to post a thread a week or so ago, and I never posted it, but I saved the text. (It's in Blue.)

Just curious.

What if...
the bible was discovered to be a complete fraud?
What if all religion turned out to be false?

How would that affect you?
would you still believe in God?
What would you do if you weren't able to discuss  bible verses and bible meanings?

Amazingly great question and good for the soul, like vegatables to the physical body!

My views are that I have found considerable comfort and meaning and truth in the bible.

Amen.

However, my belief in God does not depend on it.
I believed in God before I read anything in the bible.

So true.

It was the BIBLE that actually made me sort of turn away from God, to be honest. (in the beginning when my eyes were a bit hazy.)

This was not true for me but I sense it now.

I see God's word all over His creation.
I feel Him in my heart.

This is what I am coming to see as the Bible.

It wasn't the bible that helped me believe in God, actually, it was in SPITE of the bible.
And then when I started putting the jigsaw pieces together, and reading the bible from a new set of eyes, did the bible even start to make some sort of sense.

New set of eyes! Yes!

I know some of you grew up on the bible and have completely opposite experiences.
I was just curious.

Pretty much nothing can shake my belief in God.
Aliens landing? Nope, Still believe in God.
Evil getting worse? Nope, still believe in God.
The world turning inside out? Nope, still believe in God.

I feel like... He's USED the bible to talk to me.

hmmm.I guess I just see it as... what is the POINT in debating all the verses and every last little shred of whatever that's in the bible, when you've kind of gotten the gist of what God is trying to tell us? about LOVE. And what it means. and how GOD IS LOVE. and that LOVE is what we need to LEARN.
Isn't that the point? [/color]

seems like we make it too difficult. When really it's something so simple a child can understand. And actually children DO understand... it's just they lose more and more of it as they age in this fallen world and get away from innocence. But... that's ALSO the point. To experience the darkness so we can appreciate and cling to the light, cling to GOD.  WE.NEED.GOD. Period. That's what this life shows us... We Need Him. We can't rule ourselves. Look around you at our life, at the world, We cannot rule ourselves. WE NEED HIM. (and He needs us because He loves us.)

Why do we NEED all that other stuff...?
Sometimes, I look at all the forums and all the thousands of different discussions going on dissecting scripture and I think, doesn't this just get turned into yet ANOTHER distraction?
something to keep us busy.
Too busy to go out and start trying to spread the love.  :dontknow:
 
:dontknow:   <----- I really don't know. I don't know if I'm wrong or right or what. just don't know.

 

peace.

I want to sum up and say I know why people need to debate and study and seek and put 2 and 2 together and all that is great but we must not worship the Bible. We must only worship teh Word.

Just can't say it all right now but I know you Sparrow and I know I am not condemning anyone elses way of seeking. I respect all the good stuff on this forum and other expressions of people way too much to criticize anyone. I am but a claypot but a claypot in the Masters hands.

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2009, 04:29:12 PM »
I brought this over from another thread. It's important to me. Hope it's OK to do this.

cp

Tony, being you're one the most literal Brothers I have and you only adhere to what is in the Bible as best you can, may I ask you where in the Bible it says we are to take the 66 books we call the Bible as infallible and the Word of God?

cp


Tony, believe it or not, the above question to you relates to the lost sheep of Israel and the food discussions you are in. Can you comment on it? You must have overlooked it with so much going on here. I truely desire your input for reasons of my own but I do think they may shed light here, as I said. Thanks in advance.

Respectfully,

cp


2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, for exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be equipped, fitted out for every good act."

1Th 2:13 And therefore we also are thanking God unintermittingly that, in accepting the word heard from us, from God you receive, not the word of men, but, according as it truly is, the word of God, which is operating also in you who are believing."

Good verses Tony but it doesn't say that the 66 books we refer to as Scripture are Scripture.

You base all of your life on what is written in what we call the Bible but how do we know that is what God wants us to do? Aren't there other God inspired words out there that can equip us and fit us for Gods work?

Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the 66 books we call the Bible are what you are referring to when you quote the verses above?

cp

All 66 books are holy Scripture.

How do you know this Brother?

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Yes, of course I base all my life on what is written in what I call the bible. How do I know that is what God wants us to do that? I just quoted the verse that tells us to do that, that is how I know.

 :bigGrin: It does not specifically have to say "The 66 books call the Bible are inspired."


So you base your very life on something not based nor confirmed in the Bible?

But the Bible does say that ALL Scripture is inspired and I believe that the 66 books we have are what comprises ALL Scripture.

Yes, the Bible does say that all Scripture is inspired and you have chosen to believe that the 66 books are what comprises Scripture. You have chosen this belief based upon what? Tradition? Instinct? Your own wisdom?

Again I am sincere here and you are a knowledgable and very exact kind of person so I know you represent many others.

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2009, 05:03:09 PM »
claypot just my thoughts on these verses.

 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God, and is beneficial for teaching, dfor exposure, for correction, for discipline in righteousness,

2Ti 3:17 that the human man of God may be equipped, fitted toward every good act.



The word translated to scripture has the primary defintion of  "holy writ". 

From our english dictionary we could look up Holy writ and then say  that is the bible.   But the fact that scriptures (generically) have been compiled by man and decided upon under the premise that God has orchestrated this perfectly is not necessarily concrete.

After all, Gods word ultimatly is spirit,  as we see the history of mans manipulation of the bible then that verse is not accuratly transfered to "the bible" it is accuratly used in an informal sense for what scripture is supposed to be used for.

Does this mean I do not hold the bible in high regaurd.  Not really, but we are not supposed to worship the bible and I won't worship it,  it is because man has taken scriptures and made them into something that can send a message and have a use that violates the above verse.

If we can conclude that the bible indeed contains the message of fear and vengeance and ultimate hopelessness for anyone not figuring it all out just right, I think then the bible has contradicted itself in such a way as to warrant a conclusion of its worthlessness.


Whether we NEED any other set of writings is beside the point.   God ultimatly is saying that any writing that succeeds in achieving the criteria of what it is used for is a manifestation of God.

The book the Shack, may not be considered scripture by "definition" but it is inspiring people to be closer to God and perhaps meets the criteria of the verses.

Or I would say ultimatly, if you use anything in accordance with the criteria of inspiring good acts,  then you have used it in a manner inspired by God.

One of the great perversions of religion is maintaining that nothing but the bible is good for us and that we have to live by the accepted interpretations in order to be clean and pure in gods eyes.  in reality religion or the people adhereing to the strict letter of the law are the ones expecting to be pleased.   And universalism is not exempt from having people in it with that expectation as well.

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2009, 05:44:23 PM »
claypot, I know the "Old Testament" should be included in the canon of what we term "Sacred Scriptures," and what is inspired, because they were what Jesus used as well as the other apostles:

Luke 24:44-45  Now He said to them, "These are My words, which I speak to you, still being with you, for all must be fulfilled that is written in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms concerning Me."  (45)  Then He opens up their mind to understand the scriptures,

Albert Barnes says:
Luk 24:44 -
These are the words - Or this is the "fulfillment" of what I before told you respecting my death. See Luk_18:33; Mar_10:33.

While I was yet with you - Before my death. While I was with you as a teacher and guide.
In the law of Moses - The five books of Moses - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. Among the Jews this was the first division of the Old Testament, and was called the "law."
The prophets - This was the second and largest part of the Hebrew Scriptures. It comprehended the books of Joshua, Judges, 1st and 2nd Samuel, 1st and 2nd Kings, which were called the "former prophets;" and Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the twelve smaller books from Daniel, to Malachi, which were called the "latter prophets."
The psalms - The word here used probably means what were comprehended under the name of "Hagiographa," or holy writings. This consisted of the Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Solomon, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra, and Nehemiah, and the two books of Chronicles. This division of the Old Testament was in use long before the time of Christ, and was what he referred to here; and he meant to say that in "each of" these divisions of the Old Testament there were prophecies respecting himself. The "particular" subject before them was his "resurrection from the dead." A most striking prediction of this is contained in Psa_16:9-11. Compare it with Act_2:24-32; Act_13:35-37.
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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2009, 05:52:08 PM »

From our english dictionary we could look up Holy writ and then say  that is the bible.   But the fact that scriptures (generically) have been compiled by man and decided upon under the premise that God has orchestrated this perfectly is not necessarily concrete.

I believe the Old Testament was, of course, compiled by men. But those men were chosen by God to perform specific tasks. The writings of Moses: did a bunch of men get together one day when the first five books were written and say: Hmm, should we include the first five books in our canon? Of course not. They just knew those writings were from God for them. Likewise all the other O.T. writings.
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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2009, 06:30:24 PM »

From our english dictionary we could look up Holy writ and then say  that is the bible.   But the fact that scriptures (generically) have been compiled by man and decided upon under the premise that God has orchestrated this perfectly is not necessarily concrete.

I believe the Old Testament was, of course, compiled by men. But those men were chosen by God to perform specific tasks. The writings of Moses: did a bunch of men get together one day when the first five books were written and say: Hmm, should we include the first five books in our canon? Of course not. They just knew those writings were from God for them. Likewise all the other O.T. writings.


Well Tony, it is not my intention to debate what you believe.

For me I look at the world and what the claim of men inspired by God has done to me and some I love and even the word and draw my conclusions from that.

I have seen more good done in the name of selfless love by any name than I have from men wielding the bible as the final authority of judgment over someone ever has.






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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2009, 06:37:23 PM »

From our english dictionary we could look up Holy writ and then say  that is the bible.   But the fact that scriptures (generically) have been compiled by man and decided upon under the premise that God has orchestrated this perfectly is not necessarily concrete.

I believe the Old Testament was, of course, compiled by men. But those men were chosen by God to perform specific tasks. The writings of Moses: did a bunch of men get together one day when the first five books were written and say: Hmm, should we include the first five books in our canon? Of course not. They just knew those writings were from God for them. Likewise all the other O.T. writings.


Well Tony, it is not my intention to debate what you believe.

For me I look at the world and what the claim of men inspired by God has done to me and some I love and even the word and draw my conclusions from that.

I have seen more good done in the name of selfless love by any name than I have from men wielding the bible as the final authority of judgment over someone ever has.

That's cool. I don't want to debate what you believe either. But not all who "wield" the Bible as the final authority do so in a negative way. And it is incorrect to judge everyone who does believe the Bible is the final authority as being equal to those who have been abusive.

That's like saying we should not have the Bill of Rights in the United States because some politicians have used it to abuse people. Or it is like saying because some nut jobs drove their cars into innocent bystanders and so we should outlaw all cars etc. etc. etc. etc.
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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2009, 06:48:36 PM »
Tony, do you believe the Bible is the 'final authority'?

If so, why?

For that matter, what does 'final authority' mean to you?

Again, I am not trying to argue with you personally Tony. I think you represent much of what's in me and others and to discuss this with you, like with Paul and Sparrow and others, is to discuss it within myself.

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2009, 06:53:17 PM »
claypot, I know the "Old Testament" should be included in the canon of what we term "Sacred Scriptures," and what is inspired, because they were what Jesus used as well as the other apostles:


From what I have learned Jesus also used other older teachings not found in the Old Testament yet these are not considered Sacred Scripture.

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2009, 06:58:33 PM »
claypot, I know the "Old Testament" should be included in the canon of what we term "Sacred Scriptures," and what is inspired, because they were what Jesus used as well as the other apostles:


From what I have learned Jesus also used other older teachings not found in the Old Testament yet these are not considered Sacred Scripture.

cp

such as? proof?
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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2009, 07:02:05 PM »
paul did:

Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2009, 07:04:34 PM »

From our english dictionary we could look up Holy writ and then say  that is the bible.   But the fact that scriptures (generically) have been compiled by man and decided upon under the premise that God has orchestrated this perfectly is not necessarily concrete.

I believe the Old Testament was, of course, compiled by men. But those men were chosen by God to perform specific tasks. The writings of Moses: did a bunch of men get together one day when the first five books were written and say: Hmm, should we include the first five books in our canon? Of course not. They just knew those writings were from God for them. Likewise all the other O.T. writings.


Well Tony, it is not my intention to debate what you believe.

For me I look at the world and what the claim of men inspired by God has done to me and some I love and even the word and draw my conclusions from that.

I have seen more good done in the name of selfless love by any name than I have from men wielding the bible as the final authority of judgment over someone ever has.

That's cool. I don't want to debate what you believe either. But not all who "wield" the Bible as the final authority do so in a negative way. And it is incorrect to judge everyone who does believe the Bible is the final authority as being equal to those who have been abusive.

That's like saying we should not have the Bill of Rights in the United States because some politicians have used it to abuse people. Or it is like saying because some nut jobs drove their cars into innocent bystanders and so we should outlaw all cars etc. etc. etc. etc.


Nope, not the same thing at all.    

In other words Tony,  I don't care and you do not have the authority to claim I must listen to YOU because you use anything from the bible.


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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2009, 07:50:09 PM »
claypot, I know the "Old Testament" should be included in the canon of what we term "Sacred Scriptures," and what is inspired, because they were what Jesus used as well as the other apostles:


From what I have learned Jesus also used other older teachings not found in the Old Testament yet these are not considered Sacred Scripture.

cp

such as? proof?

I have a book at another location that I think said that even some of the parables that Jesus used were not original to Jesus. Have you read of this? It is a book listing sayings of Jesus and comparing them to Buddah I think. It compares a lot of Jesus' sayings with those already supposedly uttered by Buddah.

My point is though, is that even if Jesus used a phrase from another book in the Old Test does that make every individual book of the OT 'The Bible'?

And again, you are very strict about only believing what is directly backed up by the Bible and I still do not see where God said that only the 66 books we refer to as the Bible is His only Word to us for instruction and guidance.

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2009, 08:02:09 PM »
From our english dictionary we could look up Holy writ and then say  that is the bible.   But the fact that scriptures (generically) have been compiled by man and decided upon under the premise that God has orchestrated this perfectly is not necessarily concrete.

Isn't the KJV the prime example that the Bible isn't compiled by God? The older versions had Apocrypha.
There are modern (less that 10 years old) translations that still contain Apocrypha.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2009, 08:24:18 PM »
paul did:

Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

But Paul was not inferring that the pagan poets were inspired by God to be in our Sacred Scriptures. He was just trying to find common ground to work with to get a foot in the door so to speak.
"1Cor 9:20-21  And I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I should be gaining Jews; to those under law as under law (not being myself under law), that I should be gaining those under law;"  (21)  to those without law as without law (not being without God's law, but legally Christ's), that I should be gaining those without law."

claypot, I seriously doubt that Jesus learned the words of Buddha to be inspired. If anything Buddha *may* have read from the inspired writings of the Jews and other works around the world of his day.
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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #68 on: March 12, 2009, 08:35:58 PM »
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But Paul was not inferring that the pagan poets were inspired by God to be in our Sacred Scriptures. He was just trying to find common ground to work with to get a foot in the door so to speak.
"1Cor 9:20-21  And I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I should be gaining Jews; to those under law as under law (not being myself under law), that I should be gaining those under law;"  (21)  to those without law as without law (not being without God's law, but legally Christ's), that I should be gaining those without law."

i realize that good sir Tony bro Jeans friend  :happy3:

do you beleive we move and have our being in him? even as thier poets stated? because its in the bible too  :myahoo: :Egyptdance2: :boogie: :boydance: :Whistle:

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claypot, I seriously doubt that Jesus learned the words of Buddha to be inspired. If anything Buddha *may* have read from the inspired writings of the Jews and other works around the world of his day.


BAM i agree with this. truth is truth.


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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2009, 08:48:55 PM »
Amen all. All I know is I gots me lots of thinkin to do. God is a marvel, that's for sure. I'm having a blast here but I'm scared -----less at the same time. Kind of like a roller coaster ride, that first big fall. Clicking slowly up and up and up and up and then...........................hang on!!!!!! So scary yet so thrilling.

cp
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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #70 on: March 12, 2009, 08:55:25 PM »
Amen all. All I know is I gots me lots of thinkin to do. God is a marvel, that's for sure. I'm having a blast here but I'm scared -----less at the same time. Kind of like a roller coaster ride, that first big fall. Clicking slowly up and up and up and up and then...........................hang on!!!!!! So scary yet so thrilling.

cp


what are you scared of?

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2009, 09:03:55 PM »
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But Paul was not inferring that the pagan poets were inspired by God to be in our Sacred Scriptures. He was just trying to find common ground to work with to get a foot in the door so to speak.
"1Cor 9:20-21  And I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I should be gaining Jews; to those under law as under law (not being myself under law), that I should be gaining those under law;"  (21)  to those without law as without law (not being without God's law, but legally Christ's), that I should be gaining those without law."

i realize that good sir Tony bro Jeans friend  :happy3:

do you beleive we move and have our being in him? even as thier poets stated? because its in the bible too  :myahoo: :Egyptdance2: :boogie: :boydance: :Whistle:

No, the poets stated this in bold below:
Act 17:28 for in Him we are living and moving and are, as some poets of yours also have declared, 'For of that race also are we.'"

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claypot, I seriously doubt that Jesus learned the words of Buddha to be inspired. If anything Buddha *may* have read from the inspired writings of the Jews and other works around the world of his day.


BAM i agree with this. truth is truth.


peace
chuckt



chuckt it's kind of like this:

WRONGLY DIVIDING


THE incorrect partitioning of the word of truth is well illustrated by the following foolish story. How many there are who are doing just what this man did, yet fail to see how funny their combinations are! We do not know who wrote it.

     A zealous convert felt that he had been called to preach, so he applied for admission to the ministry and submitted himself to examination by a minister. The examination proceeded as follows:


     Can you read Sam? No suh.
     Can you write? No suh, but mah wife can.
     Well, do you know the Bible? I's pretty good in de Bible; in
fack, ah knows de Bible from lid to lid.
     What part of the Bible do you like best? Well, suh, ah likes
de New Testament.
     What book? De book of de parables, sah.
     Which parable do you like best? Which parable? Why lawsy, ah
likes de parable ob de Good Samarratun.
     Well, tell me the parable of the Good Samaritan.
     Well suh, once upon a time a man went down from Jerusalem to
Jericho, and fell among thieves; and de thorns grew up an choked
dat man; an he went on an didn't hab no money, and he met de Queen
ob Sheba. And behold she gabe dat manó yessuh, she gabe dat man a
thousand talents ob gold and a hundred changes ob raiment. An he
got in a chariot straightaway an drobe furiously. An as he was
speedin' along under a big sycamore tree, his hair don got caught
in a limb an left him hanging dare. An he hung dar many days an
many nights, and ravens brought him food to eat an water to drink.
An one night while he was hanging dar asleep his wife Delilah came
along an cut off his hair, an de poor man dropped, an fell on
stony ground. An it began to rain, and it rained forty days and
forty nights, an he hid himself in a cave until de rain stopped.
An when he left de cave he met a man who said, "Come an take
supper wid me," but he said, "No, I can't, I done married a wife
an can't come." So de man went out into de highways and byways and
compelled dem to come in fo supper. He went on an came to
Jerusalem, an when he got dar he seen Queen Jezebel sittin' high
up in de window, an when he saw her he said aloud, "Trow her
down." An dey trew her down. An he cried again, "Trow her down
some more," an dey trew her down some more. An dey trew her down
seventy times seven; an ob de fragments was picked up twelve
baskets. Now whose wife you all think she'll be in de
resurrection?
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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2009, 09:10:22 PM »
Well . . .thank God "I'M" not like that sinner!!

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2009, 09:20:48 PM »
ouch! :icon_flower:
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Why So Much Bible?
« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2009, 10:02:10 PM »

Why do we hold what we call the Bible in such high esteem over say other written words that are obviously inspired by God Himself?



For me,  when I looked only to the bible and felt I could only see inspiration within its words and nothing else it was fear,  residual fear of the "just in case" manner.


And it is not that I do not really like the bible, but I do not worship it and I know I have been given truth without ever reading its words and I feel no purpose for me to pour over it's every words trying to decifer it all.  I find fundamental truths in many things including the bible.

If there is a final authority and if there is a God that is inherantly love,  then that is what the final authority is.