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Errors of faith?
« on: February 11, 2015, 07:06:36 PM »
I recently came across this quote:

"The errors of faith are better than the best thoughts of unbelief."


Is it true?
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Re: Errors of faith?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2015, 07:20:29 PM »
I'm probably not as smart as whoever made that quote. But if the errors of faith are believing things that are false they aren't worth anything. But maybe the errors of faith are just not understanding things clearly and that is better than rejecting the truth. If our faith is in God we can't go wrong and that is not based on how much we know and understand about what is true or not. We just trust in the heart of God, like in another thread.

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Re: Errors of faith?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 07:33:21 PM »
I agree. It would certainly have to depend on what the errors are. For us on this forum, there are some pretty big errors of faith out there in the mainstream churches. Yet, still they have faith in God as their Father, and faith in Jesus as their savior. They do try to live by God's precepts in general.

However, it is obvious just how horribly the Muslim faith has gone wrong in the world today. That certainly is not better than no faith at all.
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Re: Errors of faith?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 07:54:35 PM »
Error of faith = unbelief.

It's as simple as that, because the error means the person doesn't believe in the real thing.

Just like unbelieve rejects God, so does error of faith because it believe in a none existing God.

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Errors of faith?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 08:54:20 PM »
IDK....is believing a lie ..the same as unbelief in truth?....a little evil[lie,deception] spoils much good[truth]

   they know not their right hand from their left....

   Jesus said 'if I had not come and spoken to them,they would have no sin"

   seems hearing the truth and rejecting it..is worse then being deceived in ignorance..having never heard the truth

    then we also have an example in scripture of some-one declaring the gospel..but without accurate knowledge....who

   was helped.

   the Holy spirit will lead into all truth as it pertains to Christ.......so what went wrong in Christendom? did they reject Holy spirit

  in favour of doctrines of men? some cases..I think yes. But what about God/Christ revealing things only in their time.....

  what if the Mystery of God being revealed is only to be revealed on God's timetable? Then how could we fault those

 who did not understand? that day and hour no one knows but the Father.


   I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD IS LIKE A LOT OF THOSE CHURCHES OUT THERE SAY....there was a time..when I did not know God..

  and they said,come go with us..Here is your god..this is what he is/like us..if you are not like us..you are condemned eternally.

   cursed of Him.........But,then He manifest Himself to me..and revealed himself to me..and I come to know Him in truth......

   and when you come to know Him..you are not misled by those who say they know Him,but lie.


...and those that know their God...............let no man boast,except that they know the One,True, God.....

    the truth shall set you free...you shall not be taken into captivity[the churches are the ties that bind] error/tares...

....first bind up the tares in bundles...for burning[consumed with breath of His coming/truth devours their lies] then.....

  gather my wheat into the barn.

        we would have healed,Babylon.............[better to dwell in a corner on the roof/do not go back down to get your garment]=

       garment of praise of men/Babylon/the Father will clothe you/the praise that comes from God.

        come out of her my people.  Babylon[confusion/tougnes/nations=all the different doctrines/belief systems/contrary

   to one another=contentious woman]   then the people's language would be changed to a 'PURE" speech..LOVE/TRUTH

    LOVE/TRUTH IS UNDERSTOOD IN ANY LANGUAGE...Truth/a savior is born/God is reconciling all men/God is not counting

  men's trespasses against them/God has concluded all men under sin..and is showing mercy /grace unto all...just as all

men have bore the image of the corrupt one,so,too,shall all bear the image of the incorrupt one.

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Re: Errors of faith?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 10:06:35 PM »
seems hearing the truth and knowing it's the truth and rejecting it..is worse then being deceived in ignorance..having never heard the truth
I would add the red part..... because rejecting the truth out of ignorance isn't rejection on purpose.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Errors of faith?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2015, 10:14:11 PM »
IDK....is believing a lie ..the same as unbelief in truth?....a little evil[lie,deception] spoils much good[truth]

   they know not their right hand from their left....

   Jesus said 'if I had not come and spoken to them,they would have no sin"

   seems hearing the truth and rejecting it..is worse then being deceived in ignorance..having never heard the truth

    then we also have an example in scripture of some-one declaring the gospel..but without accurate knowledge....who

   was helped.

   the Holy spirit will lead into all truth as it pertains to Christ.......so what went wrong in Christendom? did they reject Holy spirit

  in favour of doctrines of men? some cases..I think yes. But what about God/Christ revealing things only in their time.....

  what if the Mystery of God being revealed is only to be revealed on God's timetable? Then how could we fault those

 who did not understand? that day and hour no one knows but the Father.


   I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD IS LIKE A LOT OF THOSE CHURCHES OUT THERE SAY....there was a time..when I did not know God..

  and they said,come go with us..Here is your god..this is what he is/like us..if you are not like us..you are condemned eternally.

   cursed of Him.........But,then He manifest Himself to me..and revealed himself to me..and I come to know Him in truth......

   and when you come to know Him..you are not misled by those who say they know Him,but lie.


...and those that know their God...............let no man boast,except that they know the One,True, God.....

    the truth shall set you free...you shall not be taken into captivity[the churches are the ties that bind] error/tares...

....first bind up the tares in bundles...for burning[consumed with breath of His coming/truth devours their lies] then.....

  gather my wheat into the barn.

        we would have healed,Babylon.............[better to dwell in a corner on the roof/do not go back down to get your garment]=

       garment of praise of men/Babylon/the Father will clothe you/the praise that comes from God.

        come out of her my people.  Babylon[confusion/tougnes/nations=all the different doctrines/belief systems/contrary

   to one another=contentious woman]   then the people's language would be changed to a 'PURE" speech..LOVE/TRUTH

    LOVE/TRUTH IS UNDERSTOOD IN ANY LANGUAGE...Truth/a savior is born/God is reconciling all men/God is not counting

  men's trespasses against them/God has concluded all men under sin..and is showing mercy /grace unto all...just as all

men have bore the image of the corrupt one,so,too,shall all bear the image of the incorrupt one.

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Re: Errors of faith?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2015, 10:33:48 PM »
Errors of faith come from incorrect or bad teaching :2c:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2015, 06:49:27 AM »
I think it depends on the errors. Only God can know a persons heart completely.  Some who hold on to errors do have a relationship with God. I know, because I've been there.  I could feel Him comfort me when I would cry to Him. I became willing to surrender everything to Him...because of Him, not because of me. And I cried to Him for a better understanding of Him and He brought me to UR.   :HeartThrob:

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2015, 10:20:59 AM »
Errors in faith are of the mind of the body

Only the mind of the spirit
Straightens crooked things
Removes bars erected by limitation of shadows

The releasing of fear to self
In desire for the whole world
In spite of complaining scribes
Who have completed God's revelation
Who bar the Loving Saviour
Who cause the child to tremble
Who prevent leaping from boat
To Him who is Spirit
He who is unfolded in history
He who makes Himself plain
He who frees from letters once current
He who is Love

"A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one". "Christ is like leaven for the entire mass, and having made that which was damned one with himself, frees the whole from damnation".

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Re: Errors of faith?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2015, 03:55:10 PM »
I think it depends on the errors. Only God can know a persons heart completely.  Some who hold on to errors do have a relationship with God. I know, because I've been there.  I could feel Him comfort me when I would cry to Him. I became willing to surrender everything to Him...because of Him, not because of me. And I cried to Him for a better understanding of Him and He brought me to UR.   :HeartThrob:

 
   Nice  post  Caffus ,  AMEN !! Same here as well  !    :dsunny:
 I do believe in prayer and you ask Him    He will do  as He says ..
 
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 10"Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he?


11"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!
 
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  the fruits of the Spirit  [Holy Spirit ]    is also  a teacher  and comforter  :HeartThrob:
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2015, 03:10:55 AM »
Thank you rosered...and the Holy Spirit of our God will speak to the hearts of any man anytime He chooses to do so.  And God can work though our prayers for them just as much, sometimes even more than our words.  We need to listen to Him speak when He asks us to, pray without ceasing and remain humble when persecuted. We need not to feel we must defend ourselves God is with us always.  :HeartThrob:

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2015, 02:43:53 PM »
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 So True Caffus!!   Amen  :HeartThrob:
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Re: Errors of faith?
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2015, 03:54:19 AM »
10but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 1 Corinthians 13: 10 - 12

I tend to use this quote a lot, but I do think it applies here. I believe we all have erroneous beliefs and theological premises. In this fallen world, I don't think we can see clearly. Our original sin, and our personal sins, multiplied then by those of our fellow brothers and sisters, who surround us and influence us, skews our thinking and believing. This creates an environment in which we don't accept the teaching of the Spirit, fully, because of our doubts; predjuces; lies we believe, hidden agendas and on and on.

I believe God does look at our hearts, and if we are sincerely seeking Him, despite all of the above, we will find Him. Faith and trust will guide us through the muck, and lead us to Him. His light will still shine and it will be our guide, through the darkness.

So, I do agree with the statement.


7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2015, 04:26:12 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2015, 05:03:44 AM »
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7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2015, 07:42:41 AM »
Well said, Dandelion! :thumbsup:

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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2015, 03:18:34 PM »
I recently came across this quote:

"The errors of faith are better than the best thoughts of unbelief."


Is it true?

It is easy to see that some errors not better then no faith.

On a deeper level, I agree with the quote as well.  It shows that faith gets maintinanced by our own error.  God allows us to be in error so we can see it, and make changes.  God still inspires us even though we are in error on some issues.  God works in ET, ED, and UR believer just the same.  I've found that universal reconciliation is the best concerning the results of faith.  I was in all three camps at one time or another.  ET for a shot period, ED for a good part of my adult life, and UR for about 15 years now.  Allowing faith to grow and change is a wonderful part of the human experience.

God drags us along.

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Re: Errors of faith?
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2015, 03:34:44 PM »
Errors of faith?  What, like the Spanish Inquisition?!  They wiped out the Spanish protestants so throughly that history barely remembers that Spain ever had a protestant.  Unbelief may well have been better than that.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.