I think I have abided by this forum's rules about how to present ideas and I have respected those who have disagreed. Personally, I see no reason for God to have changed his methods in the Old Testament upon His people to the New Testament upon his people. This is why God's consuming fire is presented both as a warning from Moses and also a warning from the author of Hebrews concerning the spiritual Holy Land and the natural results of failing to enter his rest. The warning still stands. Even you admitted that whatever was going on in the lake of fire was most likely a horrible experience. Those were your words not mine.
"Even you admitted that whatever was going on in the lake of fire was most likely a horrible experience."
I most certainly did, that is exactly why the overcomer-elect- chosen would have no fear when he is represented and judged..... for there is no fear within that judgment of fire, the second death.
I may need to be corrected, but I went through this post about "fire" 3 times and did not find, "Even you admitted that whatever was going on in the lake of fire was most likely a horrible experience." So I must retract "I most certainly did....." what I found was
My last post Sept. 12 #192 Can a believer go to the lake of fire. Is my closest use of "horror"
"It just seems to me (imo) that your understanding has a touch of what is called here ET's, a vendetta of hate with joy with the outcome of the sinner. ET's desire a continuous burning fire of total horror and they are happy or it seems happy about it.. It is my understanding that God is Love (1 Jo. 4:16) and should that be true even though there will be judgment in the lake of fire it will be coming from a God who is love.
Heb 10:30 for we have known Him who is saying, `Vengeance is Mine, I will recompense, saith the Lord;' and again, `The Lord shall judge His people;' --
Heb 10:31 fearful is the falling into the hands of a living God.
That alone is the message to the sinner."
Dear Bro Micah ,
I can sense your frustration here and not being clear and I know its not directed to me , but hope someone can help in this matter
For me will the lake of Fire be a horror to the dead ?
They are all dead so how can this be a horror to the dead who know nothing ?
I believe it will be a shock , but horror ? I do not believe they even know what is happening to be honest with you
those that are alive in Christ by reading Rev 20 are with Him already in the first resurrection and those who are dead must be made alive in Christ to be presented to the Living God , Jesus said plainly that God is not the God of the dead , but the living and the dead and Living are the Lord Jesus Christ whom is the Lord of the dead and living all things , He will make alive those from the dead and present them to the LIVING GOD HIS FATHER [ Paul says in 1 Cornth 15 THE 1000 year reign is to me the DAY OF THE LORD only because Peter spoke of the day being a 100o years and 1000 years as a Day
In the 7 churches there is a place that says the say they are alive but in fact are dead , dead to who ? God the God of the living , by what standard are they dead to God ? by their works , dead works from dead to God beings .
Rev 20 7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out eto deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, fGog and Magog, gto gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded ithe camp of the saints and jthe beloved city, but fire came down from heaven 2 and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Judgment Before the Great White Throne
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
Here is a curious verse , why is the earth and sky fleeing from the presence of Christ ? And more so why is there not place for them in the final judgement of Jesus Christ and the WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT ?
For its because the Spirit of prophecy in Peter and others who had the same testimony of Jesus in them telling us the heavens and earth shall be burned up with fervent heat , for me that would be all the earthly & heavenly toils/works of mankind are no more
and now getting down to the spiritual truth of the matter , God is Spirit and truth and those worshiping in Spirit and truth are with Christ to judge by the WORD OF GOD .. those books written of Him the memorial book for the children of Israel , the dead and remembered and the Book of Life
Exodus 17:14 | Read whole chapter |
And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.
this is the dead as well and the dead works before Hell [grave ] and Death itself is cast into the lake of fire , so the dead know nothing and the dead are made alive in Christ before the giving over to God the Father the GOD OF THE LIVING .
and its all complete and made perfect
12 And I saw the dead
, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged
by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it,Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, taccording to what they had done. 14 Then uDeath and Hades vwere thrown into the lake of fire. This is wthe second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, xhe was thrown into the lake of fire.
I believe the Judgments of Christ and the Lord God are vital in the cleansing and purification process in order to make all things new and HOLY restored
the dead awaken to shame and disappointment by are yet saved by the fire , That is how I can see it now bro M ,
and if God is willing we will see it better as the Lord gives His increase of knowledge of Him and understanding in our hearts