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The claim that UR denies 2 Peter 2:1 refuted
« on: November 01, 2009, 10:10:05 AM »
http://www.christianspiritualism.org/articles/destroyingheresies.htm

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Hippolytus (A.D. 220), in "Philosophumena" or "Refutation of Heresy" enumerates and comments on thirty-two heresies, but Universal Salvation is not named among them.
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Epiphanius, bishop of Constantia in Cyprus (A.D. 367) was "a narrow-minded, credulous, violent-tempered, but sincere man". He bitterly opposed Origen on many points but never once does he so much as hint that his views of Universal Salvation were objectionable to himself, or to the Church. In Epiphanius' book against heresies, "The Panarion," this "hammer of heretics" names eighty heresies but Universal Salvation is not among them.
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"The state of opinion on the subject of Universal Salvation is shown by the fact that though Ignatius, IrenŠnus, Hippolytus and others wrote against the prevalent heresies of their times, Universalism is never named among them. Some of the alleged errors of Origen were condemned, but his doctrine of Universal Salvation, never. Methodius, who wrote A.D. 300; Pamphilus and Eusebius, A.D. 310; Eustathius, A.D. 380; Epiphanius, A.D. 376 and 394; Theophilus, A.D. 400-404, and Jerome, A.D. 400; all give lists of Origen's errors, but none name his Universalism among them.
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Eusebius, "the father of ecclesiastical history", wrote the biography of Pamphilus in three books. The "Apology" contained "very many testimonies of fathers earlier than Origen in favour of restitution"
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J.W. Hanson D.D. explains: "The Council of Constantinople, A.D. 381, which perfected the Nicene Creed, was participated in by the two Gregorys; Gregory Nazianzen presided and Gregory Nyssen added the clauses to the Nicene creed. They were both Universalists. Would any council, in ancient or modern times, composed of believers in endless punishment, select an avowed Universalist to preside over its deliberations, and guide its 'doctrinal transactions?' And can anyone consistently think that Gregory's Universalism was unacceptable to the great council over which he presided?"
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The claim that UR denies 2 Peter 2:1 refuted
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2009, 11:43:12 AM »
I must say that I find it rather ironic, all of the many adherents to ET who claim that we are the ones who are the false teachers, the wolves in sheep's clothing of whom Jesus spoke who bring destructive heresies that deny God, when they are the ones who preach a doctrine that did not take hold until five hundred years after Christ (at which point it was forced upon a people ill equipped to fight it), which has prevented more people from truly following Jesus than anything else on Earth, and which necessarily must deny either God's love or God's power in order to stand.

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Re: The claim that UR denies 2 Peter 2:1 refuted
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2009, 12:16:19 PM »
We use it as proof that many have fallen away after 500AD.
But ETs use it as proof that many have fallen away before 500AD and that they corrected the mistakes.
I think several articles on TM's main site mention the UR was the main belief until 200AD.
But reading the site and especially my last quote shows UR was accepeted at a much later date too.
The differences were not about salvation but about other, unmentioned, things.
And that council was led by a UR heretic that obviously wasn't seen at the least in the council.
Likely a commonly accepted wise man.
Time to wash my veils. See you in a next post :winkgrin:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...