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Furnace hell
« on: September 22, 2012, 03:28:40 PM »
(Dan 3:15) Now if you be ready that at what time you hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of music, you fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if you worship not, you shall be cast the same hour into the middle of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?

(Dan 3:16) Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer you in this matter.

(Dan 3:17) If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of your hand, O king.

(Dan 3:18) But if not, be it known to you, O king, that we will not serve your gods, nor worship the golden image which you have set up.

(Dan 3:19) Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: therefore he spoke, and commanded that they should heat the furnace one seven times more than it was wont to be heated.

(Dan 3:20) And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace.

(Dan 3:21) Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the middle of the burning fiery furnace.

(Dan 3:22) Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flames of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.

(Dan 3:23) And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the middle of the burning fiery furnace.

(Dan 3:24) Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spoke, and said to his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the middle of the fire? They answered and said to the king, True, O king.

(Dan 3:25) He answered and said, See, I see four men loose, walking in the middle of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
(Dan 3:26) Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spoke, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, you servants of the most high God, come forth, and come here. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the middle of the fire.

(Dan 3:27) And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, on whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

(Dan 3:28) Then Nebuchadnezzar spoke, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who has sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.



Is this a parable? Is it mocking the hell doctrine?

Three men cast in a furnce (LoF/Hell)
Unharmed. Jesus (the Son of God) is also there.

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2012, 07:09:20 PM »
no it never entered our Father's heart to burn His children in fire..and if satan should make a conflagration Father would use this great evil/trial

  to loosen any 'binding' of them to torment and set them free unharmed...[ps satan mayuse atomic/nuclear firey conflagrations of men/rulers of this world

 who know not  what they do].  and now we know atomic nuclear war..even if it happens will cause no harm...it will only set men free from that which has bound them.

  satan himself will cause fire to come down from heaven[those who the adversary rules over in their 'heavens  and of whom they receive their power and authority

  babylon who commits adultery with the 'kings of the earth'...=religious wars as satan's kingdom is divided so it can not stand  those who kill you and think

  they do God a service  christendom muslim jews....they traverse land and sea to make 'converts..and make you twice the child of hell...if the 'light that be in you

  be darkness how great is that darkness..for satan transforms himself into an angel of light.  woe to those who put light for darkness

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2012, 08:14:51 PM »


Is this a parable? Is it mocking the hell doctrine?

Three men cast in a furnce (LoF/Hell)
Unharmed. Jesus (the Son of God) is also there.

Could it be like a prophecy showing how it will be in the lake of fire?

CHB

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2012, 08:51:59 PM »
no it never entered our Father's heart to burn His children in fire..
I know Sheila. But that's not what this post is about.
Revelation writes about LoF. NT writings very often reference to OT writings.
I'm just wondering if there is soem sort of connection.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2012, 08:53:37 PM »


Is this a parable? Is it mocking the hell doctrine?

Three men cast in a furnce (LoF/Hell)
Unharmed. Jesus (the Son of God) is also there.

Could it be like a prophecy showing how it will be in the lake of fire?

CHB
That was my first thought too. But I don't think so. LoF is not ET hell but I doubt it's a dancing place.
Unless the 3 people are the saints who watch the people in LoF
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2012, 09:27:36 PM »
It "never entered my mind" that it could be a parable or a prophecy.  It was taught to me as a child, and it just seemed like one of those really cool "rescue" stories, like Daniel in the lion's den.  I guess it probably does paint a further picture for us after all, huh?     Well, huh...
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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2012, 09:29:28 PM »
I really like that appearance of Jesus in the OT too.  "like unto the Son of God".. :thumbsup:
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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2012, 10:36:15 PM »
I really like that appearance of Jesus in the OT too.  "like unto the Son of God".. :thumbsup:
But how could they know what Jesus looks like? Especially a pagan king.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2012, 10:41:09 PM »
 :dontknow:WW..maybe he realized that what he saw was not of this world

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2012, 10:42:54 PM »
I really like that appearance of Jesus in the OT too.  "like unto the Son of God".. :thumbsup:
But how could they know what Jesus looks like? Especially a pagan king.

Good question.  What comes to me is, God put words in the mouth of a donkey, so... :)
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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 10:43:32 PM »
Likely Sheila.
But why not God Himself?
Or one of his own pagan gods, angels or other things from his own religion?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2012, 10:44:23 PM »
maybe God just gave him a brief understanding - lifted the veil for just a second.   
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2012, 10:45:17 PM »
I've read that even (often) the prophets didn't even really understand what they were writing.  God inspired (breathed it through) them.   :2c:
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2012, 11:21:29 PM »
yeah JC  the  utterance belongs to God......the adversary has a tongue and/or is given a mouth to speak also...even when we don't understand what is

  being said is anti-Christ[thinking of Jesus saying to Peter..get behind me satan].....and the spiritual warfare continues

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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 11:25:56 PM »
amen
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: Furnace hell
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 01:49:40 AM »
In the Book of Jasher, there is an account of Abram and his brother Haran being thrown into an over-heated furnace by Nimrod.  Haran was burned to death because his heart "was not perfect with the Lord," but Abram was spared.  Twenty of Nimrod's men were also killed by the fire.  Nimrod, like Nebuchadnezzar, was astonished, pardoned Abram, gave him gifts (including his servant Eliezer, who is mentioned in the OT), and praised the true God.

If you haven't heard of the Book of Jasher, it is useful, but not as reliable as the Biblical text.  It is mentioned twice in the OT.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.