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Seeker:
Hi everyone,

Just wondering what your thoughts are regarding "Seed Time Harvest" preaching.  I don't recall the exact scriptures (I'll go seek them out then post later......I can't find my marked up bible), but at my last church the bishop was preaching for months about "planting seeds in the kingdom of God" and waiting for Harvest time.  I always struggled to understand this concept.  Athough in life we do tend to reap what we sow, I don't believe God intended this concept to be about finances only.  Interestingly, we were told that if we sent in a check above our 10% monthly tithe, we were sowing into the kingdom of God (they even told us to write on the envelope what we wanted God to give us).  I seem to remember one scripture always being repeated...something about a "give and it will be given back to you, a good measure, shaken up...etc.).  I can't find it right now, but will post it when I do.  If you know what scripture this is, what do think God meant here?  I know the Bishop was probably missing the boat on this idea, but I never really understood the truth of it.  :ty:

Thanks,
Seeker (AKA Ruth)

Seeker:
So here is one of the scriptures used by my former church:

Mt 9:37-38  The harves is so great, but the workers are so few.  So pray to the Lord who is in charge of the harvest; ask him to send more workers for his fields.

I'm still trying to find the one about the storehouses...give and it will be given to you in full measure...or something of that sort.  Anyone know which one I'm looking for?

-SeekerRuth
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Pleroo:
I'm not familiar with that teaching and, quite honestly, I don't know right now what the meaning is and I'm short on time, but I'm putting up the passage and some cross references that may be of some help.

Here's the passage in it's context:

Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. 38 "Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure--pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return."

Now look at the NT cross reference to verse 38, which seems to have a positive meaning, the idea of a spiritual reproducing:

First, in the context of explaining to the disciples the parable of the seeds and the sed which falls on good soil producing 30, 60 and 100 fold. Mark 4: 24 "Consider carefully what you hear," he continued. "With the measure you use, it will be measured to you--and even more. 25 Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him."

And some OT cross references which seem to fall more in line with the judgment/condemnation idea:

Psalm 79:12 Pay back into the laps of our neighbors seven times the reproach they have hurled at you, O Lord.

Isaiah 65:6
"See, it stands written before me: I will not keep silent but will pay back in full; I will pay it back into their laps--  
65:7
both your sins and the sins of your fathers," says the Lord. "Because they burned sacrifices on the mountains and defied me on the hills, I will measure into their laps the full payment for their former deeds."  

Jeremiah 32:18
You show love to thousands but bring the punishment for the fathers' sins into the laps of their children after them. O great and powerful God, whose name is the Lord Almighty,


Kratos:
The context of Luke 6 is giving and receiving forgiveness, but the principle is that whatever you sow, you will also reap. Seed time and harvest is an eternal law. Whatever you are reaping in your life today is a result of what you planted or gave yesterday. The best way to change your tomorrow is to change what you are doing today.

I know at work I try to always give and serve others knowing that it will be given back to me good measure and pressed together and running over. This is true of whether you give to others good or evil. Change your seed. Change your harvest.

It certainly is not all about giving money to a church.

Seeker:
Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. 38 "Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure--pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return."

That's it!!  Thank you, I've been looking for that  :Urock:

So the teaching was that if you give to a ministry financially....it will come back to you "running over" and if you didn't give generously...the opposite was true.  I think that God was trying to say something more deep here...but I can't quite put my finger on it.  I don't think he was referring to money at all. 

The trouble I'm having with this scripture, or at least the way I've heard it taught, is that is is conditional on what we DO.  I understand God's love to be unconditional and what he choses to "give" us....NOT conditional on what we DO.  If my belief is accurate, then how does this scripture fit?  It seems as though there are two conflicting views.

Thanks,
SeekerRuth
 :HeartThrob:

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